Testing the Bio2 CO2 producing bucket

[CoCoSativas]

So I changed my bucket today. Its bubbling already. This bucket works much better with the lid sealed.

Thanks mega mass man for this sweet product.

Mikell, thank you for moving on, lets have a good thread man. Im having fun with this test its pretty cool

 

[CoCoSativas]

The debate bit is off topic, but somewhat to be expected.

Been on a bit of a dick-menstrual phase the past few weeks, and never intended to drag this so far into left field. Apologies for that.

The product does look solid for it's application, and cheaper than other options for the intended room size. A simple lung setup would reduce the overall cost and maximize use of produced CO2 (something I forgot to mention while acting like a prick).

What do you mean simple lung setup?

 

[MegaMassPlants]

A lung system refers to the use of one room, empty of plants, that is super saturated with co2 which is then vented to any gardens requiring the co2.
This is defintately a great idea to maximize the usage of carbon dioxide produced by the Bio2 system for more then one room. The only hiccup that maybe encountered is that the product replacement schedule might become twice per week since the activity never slows in this environment.
The ideal however, would be one Bio2 Bucket System per room.
Just saying...
As a side note, we have had customers that place multiple bucket kits in larger rooms. This is because the product will not change room conditions at all. No heat, no humidity, no electricity. Just healthier, more vigorous plant growth and yields!

 

[CoCoSativas]

A lung system refers to the use of one room, empty of plants, that is super saturated with co2 which is then vented to any gardens requiring the co2.
This is defintately a great idea to maximize the usage of carbon dioxide produced by the Bio2 system for more then one room. The only hiccup that maybe encountered is that the product replacement schedule might become twice per week since the activity never slows in this environment.
The ideal however, would be one Bio2 Bucket System per room.
Just saying...
As a side note, we have had customers that place multiple bucket kits in larger rooms. This is because the product will not change room conditions at all. No heat, no humidity, no electricity. Just healthier, more vigorous plant growth and yields!

Thanks MMP for breaking it down for me.
Also big thanks for all the gear switches.
Im on track with this project and the next one.

Ive got the can 33 setup with the fan and ducting.



Here is the setup as it is today. I am starting flower right away im starting the timer tonight, lights out tomorrow. Ill be placing a ac beside the tent tomorrow and hooking up the gavita hps for lights on.


Right now the fan is running im going to wait a bit until I open the tent and check the ppm. We will see what my ppm is with proper ventilation hooked up.

 

[CoCoSativas]

ventilation is here

ventilation is here

So ive hooked up the ventilation. Im very pleased. I woke up this morning to check the ppms in the tent.



I am very impressed with the bio2. This is an excellent product as far as I can see. I couldnt be happier.

The bucket will be placed outside of the tent today. The extension hoze will run the gas into the tent.

 

[CoCoSativas]

As it warms up in here the co2 is starting to release faster. It went from 1490 ppm when I first checked to now, 1700.

This bucket is excellent. I will likely run it with the tent always.

When this test is done and I have to return the co2 sniffer I have to buy one of my own. I had a grozone controller before, this thing is way better it tells exactly what ppm and room conditions, and is less than half price. I dont need a controller for a bucket anyway

 

[CoCoSativas]

This is what the ppm was when I got home today after I went out. Ventilation was running the whole time, and the ppm is pretty high. Its way above the inlet hose, above the refector. So ppm in the entire tent is good.

The bio2 is killer. I will be keeping it around for a long time

 

[br26]

Brew and grow

 

[CoCoSativas]

Brew and grow

I have issues with booze so I only buy a nights worth at a time. I dont want to rot my liver. No way am I brewing any liquor in my joint.

Besides home made booze makes me think of this russian I knew eli. He was messed up, I didnt like him that much. He brewed this foul home made beer that got my buddy bob crazy drunk. I wouldnt touch it because bob was already nuts when I got to the place and he only had 1 jar of this crap. Thats enough for me im not ingesting that type of stuff.

No swish for this guy. No offense to you skilled home brewers (who I am not and will never be) im just not interested. I like lots of DIY stuff, but not that. I dont have time to add anything else to my DIY list its already crammed full of things, Like makng pizza at home and working on my grow, going to work.

Yes there is no doubt you can make booze for co2. However this system is great for people like me who for one reason or another will not require any liquor at the end. As well it is optimized for a 5x5 tent. Thats is a big tent for 1 five gal bucket. How much brewing would it take to match output of this bucket? Its output is amazing in a 4x4 sometimes my meter is maxed out (it maxes at 3000 ppm)

The bucket fits my style of growing and my lifestyle. Simply mix, benefit for a week (or longer), and repeat. Its simple, cheap and its not heated out. Wonderful

 

[onavelzy]

Well, that is interesting to know, that you can maintain CO2 levels at 7 to 8 times the normal atmospheric CO2 level in a fully ventilated tent. What is your ventilation set up? Your outflow rate? Do your plants seem to vary in how they're growing or looking when your meter reads those upper levels of CO2?

 

[CoCoSativas]

Well, that is interesting to know, that you can maintain CO2 levels at 7 to 8 times the normal atmospheric CO2 level in a fully ventilated tent. What is your ventilation set up? Your outflow rate? Do your plants seem to vary in how they're growing or looking when your meter reads those upper levels of CO2?

4 inch s & p fan. Idk the cfm... Hey MegaMassPlants wanna chime in buddy?

The exhaust fan is extracting air and I have a vent open letting in fresh air. Soon a ac will be blowing in cold air, that will be the intake.

The plants are growing aggressively. Big time. Coco + co2 = badass growing.

Day 2 of flower. Ill have some neat pics featuring plant strech coming soon... Lol after that boring stuff comes the good stuff, stay tuned.

 

[CoCoSativas]

Well, that is interesting to know, that you can maintain CO2 levels at 7 to 8 times the normal atmospheric CO2 level in a fully ventilated tent.

All I have to say is this bucket is the coolest thing ive added to my growing in ages. I love it. Im glad im testing it, im sold.

 

[StoneyK]

Well I didn't pay for the bucket or yiest so thats not my concern. I'm only paying for sugar. Big deal. 10 bucks for 2 weeks. Yay.

This is a test for the hydro shop. I run a test and post here for people to scope out. They gave me 8 weeks of yiest.

Bucket isint expensive. It's a bucket. It comes with yeast, lid and indicator.

I don't know how an inexpensive bucket and yiest and sugar will cost more than a co2 controller and bottle. That stuff is not that cheap dude. Plus I cant haul co2 bottles into my place and have people wondering if I huff some crazy shit by the tank...

Bottom line, you can brew co2 cheaper. It's not the most effective but it works.

How is 10 bucks a week cheaper than 25 every 2 months for a 50 lbs tank fill?
Not a bad plan on the cheap bit the smart money is in the tank setup

 

[CoCoSativas]

How is 10 bucks a week cheaper than 25 every 2 months for a 50 lbs tank fill?
Not a bad plan on the cheap bit the smart money is in the tank setup

Why are we still debating the test? Its getting done. Its happening.

Oh yeah I did a cost breakdown for stuff in my area. No thanks im not paying almost a grand to blow Co2. It takes a year of these methods for the bottles to start becoming cheaper. IF YOU ARE IN A SEALED ROOM. Not a ventilated tent.

Want to do a side by side, bucket vs bottles that are blowing all day in the ventilated tent... Be my guest. Thats not what im testing, and I dont have a whackload of cash to buy bottle setup.

That dude estimated that 2 months estimate in a sealed room. Not a ventilated tent... Just saying.

Bottles arent stealth. They are heavy and take up space. Bio2 is a 5 gal bucket. Takes up no space.

Also it would be cheaper if I bought bulk sugar. I grabbed a pair of 4 kilo bags because thats what it called for, it was eazy. The 20 kg bags at the wholesaler... Lol lot cheaper.

Ok for those who have to argue the test, I will talk to mega mass plants asap. We will do a legit cost breakdown of the two methods. That way we can all stop asking why am I testing this.

I will get quotes for bottles, rent and buy, controller, yada ya.

Then ill breakdown the cost of the bio2 down properly, bulk sugar, the works.

After that hopefully we can continue on without the same question being asked over and over and over again

 

[MegaMassPlants]

How is 10 bucks a week cheaper than 25 every 2 months for a 50 lbs tank fill?
Not a bad plan on the cheap bit the smart money is in the tank setup

Sorry to have left you hanging cocosativas...just don't wanna hijack your thread...
It has been our experience that customers intent on setup of a small indoor grow do not wish the high start up costs associated with the purchase and use of tanks and bottles. I have found the refill costs on a 20lb bottle are about 65 cdn and like cocosativa has mentioned initial costs for tank 350-375(around 300 is bottle deposit), plus regulator and solenoid combo 185 or so, and then a cycle timer for 100(if you want to cheap out) or a controller, such as the Grozone Sco2 for about 550. So for about 1100 plus tax you can install a full on controlled system.
There are pros and cons to everything and my experience has been that few are willing to shell out for this on a small scale garden. The bottles aren't readily available except from the grow store unless you want to leave purchase or lease details with gas providers. Most don't do this either. I have not run a bottle setup in a small tent however, in a 13x12 bedroom environment I have found them to last as little as 3 days to a week at most and that's if the valve doesn't freeze open and dump the whole tank overnight....50lbs tanks are even bulkier and harder to move in and out.
The Bio2 CO2 Enhancement product was envisioned to bridge the gap between what competitive bio active co2 products have available and their outrageous costs compared to value. The mycelium bags for instance, only raise a monitor by 50 ppm on our tests and cost over 40 at most retailers. The shaker bottle thingy is moderately better and will raise co2 by over 1000ppm, but only for a day or two at most. And that's only if you can get it to work. We had to test multiple bottles due to lack of activity after following directions. Plus any brewer that opens this will be unpleasantly surprised by the enormous costs they just paid (again 40 bucks) for a pinch of yeast and a tablespoon of sugar.
So as to not let this turn into a rant I will close by saying that the Bio2 Bucket kit and the Bio2 System works as described. We would take the Pepsi challenge of co2 against any competitive Bio active co2 product in the market today.
We at Mega Mass Plant Products strongly urge everyone to give it a go and surprise yourselves, your plants will love you for it!!!

 

[MegaMassPlants]

Some other reasons customers prefer Bio2 CO2 Enhancement System are that their wives don't like the smell of regular brews but this is not an issue with Bio2 as it is virtually odourless. It performs up to its hype. We tell you it will last a week, it does. We tell you it raises a 5x5x7 growroom to optimum levels, it does. It's portioned and delivered in a convenient, easy to use package. It's extremely cost effective for small scale gardens. Bio2 can raise yields by as much as 30%. It adds no heat, no humidity and works without electricity.
We have a few add ons available in the near future that will make it even more versatile....

 

[CoCoSativas]

Sorry to have left you hanging cocosativas...just don't wanna hijack your thread...
It has been our experience that customers intent on setup of a small indoor grow do not wish the high start up costs associated with the purchase and use of tanks and bottles. I have found the refill costs on a 20lb bottle are about 65 cdn and like cocosativa has mentioned initial costs for tank 350-375(around 300 is bottle deposit), plus regulator and solenoid combo 185 or so, and then a cycle timer for 100(if you want to cheap out) or a controller, such as the Grozone Sco2 for about 550. So for about 1100 plus tax you can install a full on controlled system.
There are pros and cons to everything and my experience has been that few are willing to shell out for this on a small scale garden. The bottles aren't readily available except from the grow store unless you want to leave purchase or lease details with gas providers. Most don't do this either. I have not run a bottle setup in a small tent however, in a 13x12 bedroom environment I have found them to last as little as 3 days to a week at most and that's if the valve doesn't freeze open and dump the whole tank overnight....50lbs tanks are even bulkier and harder to move in and out.
The Bio2 CO2 Enhancement product was envisioned to bridge the gap between what competitive bio active co2 products have available and their outrageous costs compared to value. The mycelium bags for instance, only raise a monitor by 50 ppm on our tests and cost over 40 at most retailers. The shaker bottle thingy is moderately better and will raise co2 by over 1000ppm, but only for a day or two at most. And that's only if you can get it to work. We had to test multiple bottles due to lack of activity after following directions. Plus any brewer that opens this will be unpleasantly surprised by the enormous costs they just paid (again 40 bucks) for a pinch of yeast and a tablespoon of sugar.
So as to not let this turn into a rant I will close by saying that the Bio2 Bucket kit and the Bio2 System works as described. We would take the Pepsi challenge of co2 against any competitive Bio active co2 product in the market today.
We at Mega Mass Plant Products strongly urge everyone to give it a go and surprise yourselves, your plants will love you for it!!!

Hey buddy no worries. Im testing your product so you cant really hijack the thread. As the maker of this product you can really explain the finer points of this product.

Thank you for explaining to everyone the cost of a co2 setup to everyone. That is not attractive to me. You know somewhere to grt the tank cheaper than me and still, thats out of my range.

Tomorrow ill figure out what a years worth of operation of this thing would cost. Ill price 20 kg bags of sugar then we will start to see what the real cost of the bucket is.

MMP how much would a year supply of the blue mix cost? If I bought the whole year, not week by week. What would the total price be?

Week by week its 520 a year if I remember the price you told me correctly.

We will really get down to the bottom of this.


So I have a challenge for you bottle users who cant stop on and on telling us to forget the bucket. You guys do a test, see if you can blow 2500 ppm in a ventilated 4x4 tent, see how long your bottle actually lasts... See if your claims the bottles are more efficient. I kinda doubt it.

If co2 bottle is so cheap, and so efficient, show us. If its as efficient as you say it wont cost you that much. Just one refils worth... post a pic of a receipt from your refil so we see price, than blow gas at 2500 ppm in a 4x4 tent, see how long it really lasts.

Maybe if someone asks real nice MMP MIGHT be capable of running such a test. I wont ask because im here to test his bucket... Not yammer and mumble about bottles and burners.

Anyone want to submit a pic of a burner in a tent or want to argue the merits of burners on my bucket test thead?

Stay tuned folks. More refined cost facts to come. Hopefully smeone accepts the bottle challenge. If anyone can post a price of the setup available in their area, so we have a range of equipment prices, great. If anyone has legit fill prices, post them too if you guys have to turn my thread into a bucket vs bottle debate.

Just throwing this out there, I asked my wife if she thought it would be cool if I brought a bottle of compressed gas into the joint. She told me no facking way. Anyone else have a wife who might say no to a potentially hazardous container of gas chilling around their place?

Thanks mega mass plants for chiming in. Please feel free to stop in as much as you want you are welcome here. Think of it as your thread as well, this is a test we thought up together. We should all be very greatful you are here and you can provide us with more details.

 

[MegaMassPlants]

Raising co2 levels above 2000 ppm is wasteful...I've usually tried to keep consistent levels around 1500-2000 ppm. From what I've read the plants don't utilize co2 as well above 2000 ppm. Wish I could offer a reference for this...but I'm sure everyone can do an Internet search for themselves.

 

[CoCoSativas]

Raising co2 levels above 2000 ppm is wasteful...I've usually tried to keep consistent levels around 1500-2000 ppm. From what I've read the plants don't utilize co2 as well above 2000 ppm. Wish I could offer a reference for this...but I'm sure everyone can do an Internet search for themselves.

My bucket does it on its own without me doing anything because im using the bucket in a tent thats smaller than you recommend.

My challenge is really to see how long they can actually blow 2500 ppm in a 4x4 using the same size bottle they say will last 2 months. I dont really believe it. I do believe the co2 meter you lent me, and it says the bio2 is kicking ass and blowing tons of gas.

 

[CoCoSativas]

. It's extremely cost effective for small scale gardens. Bio2 can raise yields by as much as 30%. It adds no heat, no humidity and works without electricity.

Sounds ideal to me