Testing the Bio2 CO2 producing bucket

[CoCoSativas]

I understand this is just a "test" but co2 is useless and a waste of $$$ in anything less then a dialed in environment with healthy plant...just saying

Lol the enviroment is fine buddy. Humidity is good, temp is good. The plants are healthy.

I wouldnt call it a waste but we are all entitled to are own point of view. I thought it was a good idea, the guys at the shop wanted to put something on involving the bucket, lots of people are here because its interesting.

 

[CoCoSativas]

I opened the tent flap this morning, ppms are at 1300.

Ill change the mix tonight when I have time

 

[Asslover]

Lol the enviroment is fine buddy. Humidity is good, temp is good. The plants are healthy.

I wouldnt call it a waste but we are all entitled to are own point of view. I thought it was a good idea, the guys at the shop wanted to put something on involving the bucket, lots of people are here because its interesting.

That was directed more at those that seem to think co2 is a magic bullet. But while we're on the subject, and out of curiosity, what do you consider "good" when it comes to temps/humidity?
And what issues with bottles are you comparing buckets to?

 

[CoCoSativas]

That was directed more at those that seem to think co2 is a magic bullet. But while we're on the subject, and out of curiosity, what do you consider "good" when it comes to temps/humidity?
And what issues with bottles are you comparing buckets to?

You are deffinitly right, co2 is no magic fix.

I have however heard it helps, and it makes sense to me, so im here testing.

As far as temps and humidity, they are young, so I preffer a higher humidity, between 40-60 % rh. Thats just my preference. As far as temps, I look to keep it between 70-80 f range. Im not one of those guys who believes in one certain number. In nature it fluctuates, so im fine doing it in the room. Im alot more on top of it in flower due to risk of mould and what not.

I find bottles to be the opposite of stealth, so thats enough to keep me away from them. Then theres the issue they are heavy, and bulky. Im a big dude, im strong but im not a fan of moving that shit. It makes me nervous, what if I let one fall. Missile anyone?

Im not saying bottles suck, they just dont work for me. I dont want to come home one day and find everything gone because rippers realized I grow after seeing me hauling cans into my joint, came and did their thing. Or any other issues I see with them. What if a regulator fails, ppms skyrocket. It could kill you. Maybe im paranoid tho...

The bucket is safe and effective. I like it thus far.

Thank you for coming and asking legit questions. Sorry if I came off snarky at first I misunderstood what you meant. I thought you meant the test is a waste.

Lol I would test anything the store wants tested as long as I can use it in my room (or tent)
I wouldnt test some bunk shit im only here to test legit products.

 

[Mikell]

Well here is my cost breakdown of the two methods.

In my area, a small co2 can is 500 bucks to buy, 20 to fill, and 325 for a simply grozone controller (which is a cheap piece). That's almost 850 for startup and 2-3 months co2 (according to a members estimate here). No where here rents bottles.

The bucket kit costs 50 bucks, comes with three weeks yiest brew. 50 bucks for more 5 weeks. 5 bucks in sugar a week, 40 bucks for that. That's 140 for two months.

So the bucket is cheaper for the tent, is stealth to bring in, cheap to maintain, doesn't produce heat, risk of fire, doesn't risk skyrocketing ppms to a dangerous level for people. It's without risk.

Not calling anyone a troll, but it doesn't make sense to me to come onto a test thread and tell me bottles or generators are cheaper. The fact is, they are not. Just a controller is more than my system.

Sorry to come across as snarkey but to do a legit cost comparison you can't leave anything out. Startup is part of the deal, I can't ignore that. If i include the startup and run cost of the bucket I have to do the same for the fancy co2 setups.

Bottle setup 845
Bio2 bucket kit 140 bucks.

Yeah I'll take the bucket in a tent guys. It's pretty obvious what's cheaper it doesn't take a mathematical genius to figure that out...

Even with the bucket costing more per cycle, it would take many cycles to pay back the startup cost of the system. Cost asid, we sometimes chose things not based on cost. I can't haul a co2 can into my joint, and can't afford the heat from a burner burner, so that's why I'm brewing.

Very much appreciated. I never said it was cheaper, but that I could see how with controlled release it may come in below the belt.

Not entirely sure where you're pricing tanks, but up here, a 20lb comes in at around $160-200, and like the controller, has resale value.

Many of your concerns with bottled or generated are overblown. We're growing indoors with high use electricity and potential fire hazards galore, it's goes with the territory. The key is to do it proper, to code (where possible) and with fail safes.

Of course start up is important. Google the definition of temporarily if you're unaware of the meaning. I wanted to know the monthly costs, and from all appearances CO2 is cheaper, and will pay off the equipment (albeit slowly).

Bio2 looks fine if you're only doing a one off grow or two.

Other wise, as a analogy, I buy Makita, not Ryobi.

Cheers

 

[CoCoSativas]

Honestly I wasnt really intending this thread to become a debate about bottles vs buckets. Its really showing people the bucket is legit, and it works.

As far as the temporary thing, lets just let that stuff die now I dont really want my thread axed because it gets inappropriate. Its over and thank you for contributing to the thread in a positive way. Lets just move on.

Its really personal preference if you chose a bucket. I like it though as its super stealth, it runs off yiest and sugar. Household goods. I like stuff like that, it dosent raise questions. Why not be creative.

I like using one natural process to help another, which is why I used to grow organically. Im going for bigger yields now so thats why im using coco. I like that it is a natural hydroponics medium. It appeals to me. The bucket appeals to me on that level.

No matter what anyone says againt it I like the concept alot, and thus far is proving to be cheap and practical. It is still blowing co2 so it looks like you get more than 7 days productio..

It declines after a week but still produces enough to keep ppms between 1300 to 1500. If you follow the recommendation from the makers of bio2, you will obviously stay in a higher range.

It is nice to know if you are low on bucks the bucket is gassing after 7 days. If you are waitng a day or two for a paycheck, its all good.

 

[CoCoSativas]

maker of the bio2 will be dropping by sometime soon

maker of the bio2 will be dropping by sometime soon

So I just talked to my friends at the hydro store.
They are the maker of the bio2 bucket, and it sounds like you guys can look forward to responses from them directly. Hes a cool guy and very inovative. I aplaud him for putting this product together. Im not just blowing smoke, I think this product is fantastic.

Please direct all of your technical questions to him when he pops by. I am a tester, not the guy who makes it.

Lol obviously dont expect proprietary information about the yiest mix, or stuff like that,
and please be respectful. He is new to the forums so if someone is inclined to troll, get a life instead. Not saying anyone here is like that, I just would preffer my buddy not have a shitty intro to forums. Besides, its more fun when everyone is decent.

 

[MegaMassPlants]

Hello from MegaMass

Hello from MegaMass

Hello everyone. Thank you for engaging in debate on the various options available to you for co2 enhancement. We envisioned this product to be a readily accessible, affordable, convenient option for those on a budget or not wanting to add to a pile of old grow gear.
I would like to add that it is what we call "enhanced" fermentation and is metered and proportioned for a 5x5x7 grow room. The product has been designed to provide optimal co2 levels for the course of one week.
Through our numerous product tests we have recognized a few tricks to ensure proper performance.
Raising the bucket off of a cold cement floor will help to maintain Bio2 effectiveness and activity.
The Bio2 reaction will naturally produce less during the night, due to lower room temps, which is exactly what we like as gardeners
The smell is considerably less then with regular brewing methods and in some cases has been nonexistent...
Water temps are critical to activation!
Plants love carbon dioxide enhancement!
If I'm getting carried away I apologize......

 

[MegaMassPlants]

I agree, for most tents, I think the brewer approach is simpler and easier. For bigger spaces, bottled. For non-home setting, maybe burner. I'm interested in how the different brewer type products compare to each other, either in measured levels or more importantly, amount/quality pf yield. If it hasn't been done, it would be a nice side-by-side thing to look at but would require two different tents or rooms

We have done tests with some of the other co2 options, such as the mycelium bags and the shaker bottle thing who's name we don't mention, and found them sorely lacking. Not only overpriced but also underperforming. Some didn't even raise the monitor 50ppm, most never over 100ppm above ambient...

 

[MegaMassPlants]

Hello everyone. Thank you for engaging in debate on the various options available to you for co2 enhancement. We envisioned this product to be a readily accessible, affordable, convenient option for those on a budget or not wanting to add to a pile of old grow gear.
I would like to add that it is what we call "enhanced" fermentation and is metered and proportioned for a 5x5x7 grow room. The product has been designed to provide optimal co2 levels for the course of one week.
Through our numerous product tests we have recognized a few tricks to ensure proper performance.
Raising the bucket off of a cold cement floor will help to maintain Bio2 effectiveness and activity.
The Bio2 reaction will naturally produce less during the night, due to lower room temps, which is exactly what we like as gardeners
The smell is considerably less then with regular brewing methods and in some cases has been nonexistent...
Water temps are critical to activation!
Plants love carbon dioxide enhancement!
If I'm getting carried away I apologize......

To clarify...we have spun off a new manufacturing arm called Mega Mass Plant Products. We are a Canadian manufacturer of quality affordable gardening supplies. We have been involved in the indoor gardening arena for over 20 years in various capacities for various enterprises within this sector.
Bio2 CO2 Enhancement is our first commercially available product in Canada. It is distributed throughout eastern Canada by Biofloral and the rest of North America through us.

 

[onavelzy]

I would like to add that it is what we call "enhanced" fermentation and is metered and proportioned for a 5x5x7 grow room. The product has been designed to provide optimal co2 levels for the course of one week.
.

what do you mean the enhanced fermentation is metered?
what are the optimal CO2 levels the product is designed to achieve?

 

[onavelzy]

Through our numerous product tests we have recognized a few tricks to ensure proper performance.
Raising the bucket off of a cold cement floor will help to maintain Bio2 effectiveness and activity.

Raise the bucket off a cold floor. Ok.
What are the other tricks?

 

[CoCoSativas]

I found it helped using the heating mat to get it started. Just throwing that out there.

 

[onavelzy]

Water temps are critical to activation!

does that mean the water should be heated to 35 degrees C all the time or just when first mixed?

 

[MegaMassPlants]

We have not needed to regulate the temperature of the Bio2 reaction if your room temps are within standard norms. Ie; 75-85f day and 65-70f night. However, a bucket heater, insulation of the bucket exterior, and or methods of keeping consistent temps seems rational if the situation requires....
The metered and proportioned refers to our proprietary blend which is proportioned to produce the correct co2 output for a 5x5x7 grow room for a week long duration after which the reaction is significantly less if not completely burned out due to the properties within the blend.
The optimum levels designed achieve are above 1500 ppm and below 2500ppm. This has been consistently achieved in a closed environment with little to no ventilation. Rooms with ventilation can achieve consistent levels well above 800 ppm with some averaging over 1000ppm for a week at a time.
And only 10 bucks Cdn a pack.
Unheard of with competitive bio active co2 products!

 

[CoCoSativas]

Thanks MMP for dropping by. im sure it will be very helpful to have you on the thread. You will be able to help explain the bucket more in depth.


Im really interested in seeing how this system does once my air flow is hooked up. Thanks mega mass man for hooking up this test. I look forward to the next few months.

 

[CoCoSativas]

does that mean the water should be heated to 35 degrees C all the time or just when first mixed?

I ran hot water from the tub, and made sure the water was 35c with my hanna pen and then mixed the blue stuff and the sugar in.

After it activated it self sustained. Mine was a little slow starting up so I put my heat mat under the bucket and it started working real good not long after.

 

[onavelzy]

Rooms with ventilation can achieve consistent levels well above 800 ppm with some averaging over 1000ppm for a week at a time.

Averaging 1000ppm in a ventilated space with passive CO2 production, seems like that would be ideal. How does it do that when the air in the tent is being exchanged every few minutes?

 

[CoCoSativas]

Averaging 1000ppm in a ventilated space with passive CO2 production, seems like that would be ideal. How does it do that when the air in the tent is being exchanged every few minutes?

We wll see once I hook up my filter in the room today.

It looks like I will have to start flowering without the ac. I will have to do the first week doing cfl I guess

 

[Mikell]

Honestly I wasnt really intending this thread to become a debate about bottles vs buckets. Its really showing people the bucket is legit, and it works.

As far as the temporary thing, lets just let that stuff die now I dont really want my thread axed because it gets inappropriate. Its over and thank you for contributing to the thread in a positive way. Lets just move on.

Its really personal preference if you chose a bucket. I like it though as its super stealth, it runs off yiest and sugar. Household goods. I like stuff like that, it dosent raise questions. Why not be creative.

I like using one natural process to help another, which is why I used to grow organically. Im going for bigger yields now so thats why im using coco. I like that it is a natural hydroponics medium. It appeals to me. The bucket appeals to me on that level.

No matter what anyone says againt it I like the concept alot, and thus far is proving to be cheap and practical. It is still blowing co2 so it looks like you get more than 7 days productio..

It declines after a week but still produces enough to keep ppms between 1300 to 1500. If you follow the recommendation from the makers of bio2, you will obviously stay in a higher range.

It is nice to know if you are low on bucks the bucket is gassing after 7 days. If you are waitng a day or two for a paycheck, its all good.

The debate bit is off topic, but somewhat to be expected.

Been on a bit of a dick-menstrual phase the past few weeks, and never intended to drag this so far into left field. Apologies for that.

The product does look solid for it's application, and cheaper than other options for the intended room size. A simple lung setup would reduce the overall cost and maximize use of produced CO2 (something I forgot to mention while acting like a prick).