straintester
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No shit!
But seriously, as others have mentioned.......
compost, compost, compost
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STOP USING JAMAICAN BAT GUANO
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But seriously, as others have mentioned.......
compost, compost, compost
toohigh - as you are still here, i will point out to you again that you are still under the misguided assumption that organic chemistry is relevant to organic gardening. this fundamental misunderstanding is why, when you searched wiki, you came up with stuff about organic chemicals and posted them in a discussion about organic gardening and thought it was relevant.despite myself and a few others addressing all the points in your posts and explaining why they are wrong or wrongly applied to this discussion, you are fronting it out without addressing any of the points raised - just saying that you found them on wiki. if you search wiki for Organic then lots of stuff irrelevent to organic horticulture will of course come up.
007. you raise some good points, there is a fair amount of typical western imperialism in this argument. the idea that USA and the west think they can act in one way and then require people in the third world to act in another way even though they are much poorer and often have little choice in how that make a living is very true.
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007. you raise some good points, there is a fair amount of typical western imperialism in this argument. the idea that USA and the west think they can act in one way and then require people in the third world to act in another way even though they are much poorer and often have little choice in how that make a living is very true.
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TLoft13
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Anybody interested in real organic farming should take a look here, lots of interesting stuffhttp://www.polyfacefarms.com/default.aspx: There is a lot to consider and our current laws are a big hindrance for any truly organic farmer.
This particular farmer, who has a really sustainable farm, can't even call his products organics because the organics lobby won't allow it, he get's grilled from Monsanto and EcoHippieFarming Inc. alike.
This particular farmer, who has a really sustainable farm, can't even call his products organics because the organics lobby won't allow it, he get's grilled from Monsanto and EcoHippieFarming Inc. alike.
007.
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Thanks for reading my post. I'm not so sure it's western imperialism as it is a very singular kind of enculturation. Most people who've lived in developed countries their whole lives don't have the necassary experience to understand the way decisions make place in a desperate environment. That doesn't make them imperialist necessarily (or perhaps that was just the kind of mentality that fostered hundreds of years of imperialism?).
I grew up as an expat kid in Asia, seeing desparation my whole life. People see some photos of life sucking for people working for a western company, and they want it shut down (like Nike "sweatshops", or these guano islands). But what they don't see are the far shittier conditions endured by those not blessed with a cushy foreign-investment job.
straintester
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All of this arguing over bat poop?
I'm honestly not sure of the polictical debate, whats true and whats not but know there is more to organic chemistry than merely nutrients.
I'm honestly not sure of the polictical debate, whats true and whats not but know there is more to organic chemistry than merely nutrients.
Okay lets break it down then shall we:
Okay lets break it down then shall we:
The Basics of Organic Chemistry
When you explore biology, you’ll find that many processes are constantly occurring in living organisms. The study of organic chemistry — which focuses on carbon molecules — is central to all living organisms.
The ability to convert ingested fuel to usable energy is what differentiates a living organism from a dead one. The ingested fuel contains a variety of large molecules (macromolecules) that get broken down. When the macromolecules have been broken down into their smallest parts, they can enter the cells, which contain more macromolecules, which are involved in more processes.
What is organic chemistry?
In organic chemistry, the focus is on the element carbon. Carbon is central to all living organisms; however, thousands of nonliving things (such as [COLOR=blue !important][COLOR=blue !important]drugs[/COLOR][/COLOR], plastics, and dyes) are made from carbon compounds. Diamonds are carbon atoms in a crystal structure. Diamonds are so hard because the atoms of carbon are so closely bonded together in the crystal form. That same ability to pack closely together makes carbon an excellent structural element in its other forms as well.
One atom of carbon can combine with up to four other atoms. Therefore, organic compounds usually are large and can have several atoms and molecules bonded together. Organic molecules can be large, and they comprise the structural components of living organisms: carbohydrates, proteins, nucleic acids, and lipids.
Carbon is key
In their outer shells, carbon atoms have four electrons that can bond with other atoms. When carbon is bonded to hydrogen (which is common in organic molecules), the carbon atom shares an electron with hydrogen, and hydrogen likewise shares an electron with carbon. Carbon-hydrogen molecules are referred to as hydrocarbons. [COLOR=blue !important][COLOR=blue !important]Nitrogen[/COLOR][/COLOR], sulfur, and oxygen also are often joined to carbon in living organisms.
Long carbon chains = low reactivity
Large molecules form when carbon atoms are joined together in a straight line or in rings. The longer the carbon chain, the less chemically reactive the compound is. However, in biology, other measures of reactivity are used. One example is enzymatic activity, which refers to how much more quickly a certain molecule can allow a reaction to occur.
One key to knowing that a compound is less reactive is that its melting and boiling points are high. Generally, the lower a compound’s melting and boiling points, the more reactive it is. For example, the hydrocarbon methane, which is the primary component of natural gas, has just one carbon and four hydrogen atoms. Because it is the shortest carbon compound, it has the lowest boiling point (-162°C) and is a gas at room temperature. It is highly reactive.
On the other hand, a compound made of an extremely long carbon chain has a boiling point of 174°C (compared to water, which has a boiling point of 100°C). Because it takes so much more for it to boil, it is much less reactive and is not gaseous at room temperature.
Forming functional groups based on properties
In organic chemistry, molecules that have similar properties (whether they are chemical or physical properties) are grouped together. The reason they have similar properties is because they have similar groups of atoms; these groups of atoms are called functional groups.
Chemical properties involve one substance changing into another substance by reacting. An example of a chemical property is the ability of chlorine gas to react explosively when mixed with sodium. The chemical reaction creates a new substance, sodium chloride (table salt). Physical properties refer to different forms of a substance, but the substance remains the same; no [COLOR=blue !important][COLOR=blue !important]chemical [COLOR=blue !important]reaction[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR] or change to a new substance occurs.
Some of the properties that the functional groups provide include polarity and acidity. For example, the functional group called carboxyl (-COOH) is a weak acid. Polarity refers to one end of a molecule having a charge (polar), and the other end having no charge (nonpolar). For example, the plasma membrane has hydrophilic heads on the outside that are polar, and the hydrophobic tails (which are nonpolar) form the inside of the [COLOR=blue !important][COLOR=blue !important]plasma[/COLOR][/COLOR] membrane.
Read more: http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/the-basics-of-organic-chemistry.html#ixzz0tww6JmmO
Okay lets break it down then shall we:
The Basics of Organic Chemistry
When you explore biology, you’ll find that many processes are constantly occurring in living organisms. The study of organic chemistry — which focuses on carbon molecules — is central to all living organisms.
The ability to convert ingested fuel to usable energy is what differentiates a living organism from a dead one. The ingested fuel contains a variety of large molecules (macromolecules) that get broken down. When the macromolecules have been broken down into their smallest parts, they can enter the cells, which contain more macromolecules, which are involved in more processes.
What is organic chemistry?
In organic chemistry, the focus is on the element carbon. Carbon is central to all living organisms; however, thousands of nonliving things (such as [COLOR=blue !important][COLOR=blue !important]drugs[/COLOR][/COLOR], plastics, and dyes) are made from carbon compounds. Diamonds are carbon atoms in a crystal structure. Diamonds are so hard because the atoms of carbon are so closely bonded together in the crystal form. That same ability to pack closely together makes carbon an excellent structural element in its other forms as well.
One atom of carbon can combine with up to four other atoms. Therefore, organic compounds usually are large and can have several atoms and molecules bonded together. Organic molecules can be large, and they comprise the structural components of living organisms: carbohydrates, proteins, nucleic acids, and lipids.
Carbon is key
In their outer shells, carbon atoms have four electrons that can bond with other atoms. When carbon is bonded to hydrogen (which is common in organic molecules), the carbon atom shares an electron with hydrogen, and hydrogen likewise shares an electron with carbon. Carbon-hydrogen molecules are referred to as hydrocarbons. [COLOR=blue !important][COLOR=blue !important]Nitrogen[/COLOR][/COLOR], sulfur, and oxygen also are often joined to carbon in living organisms.
Long carbon chains = low reactivity
Large molecules form when carbon atoms are joined together in a straight line or in rings. The longer the carbon chain, the less chemically reactive the compound is. However, in biology, other measures of reactivity are used. One example is enzymatic activity, which refers to how much more quickly a certain molecule can allow a reaction to occur.
One key to knowing that a compound is less reactive is that its melting and boiling points are high. Generally, the lower a compound’s melting and boiling points, the more reactive it is. For example, the hydrocarbon methane, which is the primary component of natural gas, has just one carbon and four hydrogen atoms. Because it is the shortest carbon compound, it has the lowest boiling point (-162°C) and is a gas at room temperature. It is highly reactive.
On the other hand, a compound made of an extremely long carbon chain has a boiling point of 174°C (compared to water, which has a boiling point of 100°C). Because it takes so much more for it to boil, it is much less reactive and is not gaseous at room temperature.
Forming functional groups based on properties
In organic chemistry, molecules that have similar properties (whether they are chemical or physical properties) are grouped together. The reason they have similar properties is because they have similar groups of atoms; these groups of atoms are called functional groups.
Chemical properties involve one substance changing into another substance by reacting. An example of a chemical property is the ability of chlorine gas to react explosively when mixed with sodium. The chemical reaction creates a new substance, sodium chloride (table salt). Physical properties refer to different forms of a substance, but the substance remains the same; no [COLOR=blue !important][COLOR=blue !important]chemical [COLOR=blue !important]reaction[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR] or change to a new substance occurs.
Some of the properties that the functional groups provide include polarity and acidity. For example, the functional group called carboxyl (-COOH) is a weak acid. Polarity refers to one end of a molecule having a charge (polar), and the other end having no charge (nonpolar). For example, the plasma membrane has hydrophilic heads on the outside that are polar, and the hydrophobic tails (which are nonpolar) form the inside of the [COLOR=blue !important][COLOR=blue !important]plasma[/COLOR][/COLOR] membrane.
Read more: http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/the-basics-of-organic-chemistry.html#ixzz0tww6JmmO
NUG-JUG
Member
headband707-None of what you posted needs to be in my head to know and apply the basic principles of organic gardening....The beginning basically says microbes eat organic matter, break it down, then it's plant available upon the microbes death or sharting of said nutrient. Like Verdant says you can find a lot of stuff about 'organic chemistry' online. You just did, but what the hell does the chemistry of a diamond (albeit organic..carbon) have to do with plants???
David762
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An alternative to Jamaican bat guano ...
An alternative to Jamaican bat guano ...
How about worm castings? It's not as high in nitrates as any bat guano, but it also is unlikely to burn your plants with overuse.
An alternative to Jamaican bat guano ...
How about worm castings? It's not as high in nitrates as any bat guano, but it also is unlikely to burn your plants with overuse.
NUG-JUG
Member
and good compost that has had a lot of different things added like rock dust, char, veggies etc.
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vonforne
You know how much Jamaican Blue Moutian coffee beans cost?? I believe it's $50.00 lb that one big OUCH mostly sold to Japan... I hear it's the best in the world.. peace out Headband707
Jamaica Blue Mountain Coffee - "Clifton Mount Estate"
For over one hundred years, Jamaican Blue Mountain coffee has been the world's most prized coffee, fetching the highest prices. It is a coffee of rich flavour and aroma, full body and moderate acidity. And, it is deemed by the coffee experts of the world to possess all characteristics in perfect balance in the cup.
Clifton Mount Estate is located in the heart of Jamaica's Blue Mountains on the cool and misty slopes of Catherine's Peak. One of the oldest coffee plantations in Jamaica, Clifton Mount has been producing beans of rare quality and aroma since the 1790's. Encouraged by John Martinez, in 2004, a mill was built to process the coffee on the property so that it could be offered as an estate coffee.
For those who are interested, Jamaican Blue Mountain coffee has the lowest caffeine content. We also offer Jamaica Blue Mountain coffee from Wallenford Estate.
Available in both Medium and Dark roasts.
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ROAST GRIND PROCESS SIZE PRICE
Medium RoastDark Roast Perc/Fr. PressDripMelitta (cone)EspressoWhole Beans Regular 8 oz.16 oz $25.00$50.00$26.00$52.00
By the time it gets to here it's way too expensive for me ... But hey girl you can afford it it's all on you... lol lol..Headband707
For over one hundred years, Jamaican Blue Mountain coffee has been the world's most prized coffee, fetching the highest prices. It is a coffee of rich flavour and aroma, full body and moderate acidity. And, it is deemed by the coffee experts of the world to possess all characteristics in perfect balance in the cup.
Clifton Mount Estate is located in the heart of Jamaica's Blue Mountains on the cool and misty slopes of Catherine's Peak. One of the oldest coffee plantations in Jamaica, Clifton Mount has been producing beans of rare quality and aroma since the 1790's. Encouraged by John Martinez, in 2004, a mill was built to process the coffee on the property so that it could be offered as an estate coffee.
For those who are interested, Jamaican Blue Mountain coffee has the lowest caffeine content. We also offer Jamaica Blue Mountain coffee from Wallenford Estate.
Available in both Medium and Dark roasts.
Click Here For Full Story
ROAST GRIND PROCESS SIZE PRICE
Medium RoastDark Roast Perc/Fr. PressDripMelitta (cone)EspressoWhole Beans Regular 8 oz.16 oz $25.00$50.00$26.00$52.00
By the time it gets to here it's way too expensive for me ... But hey girl you can afford it it's all on you... lol lol..Headband707
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NUG-JUG
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off topic but can't let that bs slide.
Yeah you guys,get back on topic or I'll tell on you.
Saw some nice shiny bags of Jamaican bat guano on the shelf at the local store today.....nobody's quitting this shit until they have exhausted the supply and destroyed the ecological sources or make it just plain illegal for the sources to import anywhere.
Saw some nice shiny bags of Jamaican bat guano on the shelf at the local store today.....nobody's quitting this shit until they have exhausted the supply and destroyed the ecological sources or make it just plain illegal for the sources to import anywhere.
Why are you even here? You come in on your first post talking shit (hippie organic freaks) and then start throwing shit around and saying after doing so that "you aren't trying to stir the pot" WTF? And then come off as some kind of authority figure warning people that the thread is in need of being shut down.
This is the organic soil forum,most of us here don't support environmental BS and chemical usage...Isn't there a "chemi guy" section on IC somewhere? Not many folks (if any at all) doing organics look at a chemi guy as a mentor. Really though,what's the point in getting all bent trying to get your point across to people that don't agree with what you say? It's kinda agro dude. Did you even read the whole thread? looks to me like you just like to argue...and you're still talking shit......shut 'er down.
This is the organic soil forum,most of us here don't support environmental BS and chemical usage...Isn't there a "chemi guy" section on IC somewhere? Not many folks (if any at all) doing organics look at a chemi guy as a mentor. Really though,what's the point in getting all bent trying to get your point across to people that don't agree with what you say? It's kinda agro dude. Did you even read the whole thread? looks to me like you just like to argue...and you're still talking shit......shut 'er down.
