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STOP USING JAMAICAN BAT GUANO
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NUG-JUG
Member
get over it LOL LOL
thats me end of this bat shit LOL LOL and oh yeah LOL LOL
LOL tourettes?
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School must be out
Nobody is attacking you as a person. We are attacking your statements/arguments. Also, we are not discussing opinions; verdant and I are relaying facts. Therefore the material is not subjective but as previous posters have mentioned, thank you for keeping things civil.
In regards to guano, this is referring to specifically Jamaican bat guano. I seem to remember reading similar problems in regards to other types of guano. Does anyone have any sources to convince me to stop using guano altogether?
P.S. If you really got what we were trying to say, I feel like you wouldn't be maintaining your current position. Also, no the thread does not need closing....
So reciting facts from wiki is my opinion, yet no one in this thread for the op pulled any fact from a university or wiki, or anywhere else but their ass, and my claims are subjective? biased definitely. opinionated sure, subjective... that's you poo potters!
bye
NUG-JUG
Member
toohigh, thanks for the kind words - hopefully you will still like me after this post
you are basically getting confused between organic chemistry and organic gardening - which are two almost completely separate things. Organic chemistry is simply a branch of chemistry that deals with carbon and it's compounds, whearas organic gardening means (made simple) that nutrients need to be processed by soil biology before they are available to the plant. to someone who knows about organic horticulture, its a glaring mistake of similar magnitude to someone thinking that your username refers to gaining too much altitude in an aeroplane
the POP's and 'Organic Pollutants' that you speak of are called that because they are organic chemicals, but they are mostly derived from Chemical Pesticides such as DDT which would NEVER have been used if everyone farmed organically - so to try and pin them on to Organic Horticulture is at best misleading and at worst devisive. PCDFs are again organic chemicals which are pollutants but have nothing to do with organic gardening over any other type of gardening.
sure soil can be polluted - but so can water, air and you can pollute your grow by many means, that's nothing to do with organic gardening in particular.
moving onto your signature
- it is again nonsense - a confusion of organic chemistry and not even accurate. they are elements that you list and not all of them could accurately be called minerals, and saying that they are not organic is hugely misleading because it is a statement about organic chemistry and not gardening. i told h3ad about it when he posted it but he sidestepped the point as i remember. moreover, saying that plants can thrive without any organic compounds is ludicrous because organic compounds (as described by organic chemistry) are carbon compounds and carbon is the building block of plants and life in general.
your mentor tag implies you know what you are talking about and im sure you do when it comes to hydro and your areas of expertise, but please edit your signature as it is misinformation when presented in a gardening forum.
cheersand i hope you take no offense - non was intended
VG
did you read any of this?
toohi
I'm sure you know that I've always backed my statements with citations.
I'm sure you know that I've always backed my statements with citations.
redneck shogun
Member
I've resisted posting in this thread because but I can't take it anymore.
Wikipedia????????
Are you serious???
Wikipedia????????
Are you serious???
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JackTheGrower
Gawd Bless Da People!
Three Little Birds at my door step!
Support Wikipedia
It only gets better like our Gardening skills.
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JackTheGrower
Greed Kills the Earth and we deal with it in a Political way don't we when reality is moving the masses towards Cattle yards..
Look at the values of the USA that the elite are above the rest in privilege.
We have other sources for Nitrogen Fuck the Guanos all together in the name of Mooning Greedy fucks.
Buy Coffee form Poor native African farmers to use in your soil for your nitrogen needs.
Give Peace a chance..
quadracer
Active member
Agreed. You don't even need to buy coffee grounds, just go to your local coffee shop. If they aren't throwing the grounds away, they are giving them to people who knows how to use it properly. Some of my best compost also had a large percentage of coffee grounds.
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JackTheGrower
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JackTheGrower
I was thinking if the Poor African farmers would turn their coffee into soil amendments for our Cannabis markets we can keep the price of our "Drinking Coffee" ,which is rising despite the general "deflation" of food prices. relative to demand for drinking Coffee.
This would focus economic prosperity on a part of the world that needs it desperately and politically to promote stability and support Democracy in the African nations. Not to mention the locals getting prices much higher than the current coffee prices they get now.. Dig in Baby we need your Nitrogen.. Grow Organic my African Friends.
Someone should tell them to roast , package and ship it as soil amendments. they can include the substandard beans as organic soil doesn't care and they can give the middle finger to the Corporate standard and make BUCKS! Remember to use Solar Roasting to save on energy costs!
Imagine you African coffee farmers every ounce of bean is valuable!!!
I have noticed a spike in Coffee prices in my local USA marketplace since I have reiterated the use of coffee in soil for cannabis.. Tell me that industry cares that we grow weed; NOT! They care that their insurance costs may go up.. So they support keeping it illegal while they make BANK on growers.. Ironic isn't it?
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JackTheGrower
We are having to fight over our Starbucks grounds now..
Lucky me i have half a tub today from a remote Starbucks location.. the Other three locations are raped now several times a day. Never mind picking up a bag or two as it used to be.. Lots of folks getting the news on Starbucks for Cannabis I am 4sure.
**** YEAH IT IS, and I didn't ask to be a mentor. moderation passed the recommendation to admin, and gypsy approved. if you have a problem with that retarded badge they gave me, take it up with Gypsy.
Microbeman: you back shit up about as good as I do. we both share the same passion, just different outlooks, and agree you are very knowledgeable about organics & organic chemistry.
I would appreciate it if we continued to talk guano, or we all shut the **** up.
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ngen
Yo jack, i remember back when i was young their was coffee being produced by farmers in the chiapas mexico, i never drank coffee, but for anyone aware of the struggle for indigenous autonomy there, it is definitely something to support. Living in cali i assume you know whats up with the situation there, i advise anyone who is in favour of power in the hands of the people to buy that stuff. i dont wanna get into the societal structure and community of the area on a canna forum, but its something to support.
(i dont mean the grounds you get for your worms i mean your personal drinking coffee...)
Damnit i gotta quit drunk posting on this forum though...
(i dont mean the grounds you get for your worms i mean your personal drinking coffee...)
Damnit i gotta quit drunk posting on this forum though...
007.
Member
Hey guys.
First off, I admit to only reading the first two and then last page of this discussion. But I doubt my position has already been discussed.
I have to respectfully disagree with the sentiment I'm seeing in this thread. I agree that if there is a special case of bat guano harvesting that damages the environment in some serious way, such as the apparent case of Jamaican underwater caves as mentioned by the OP, then that is a special case that deserves a consumer boycott among those dedicated to the environment and social justice.
However, I think that if most bat guano operations are similar to that featured in the article linked to by quadracer is the norm, then there is no reason to look for guano alternatives.
It sounds to me like the people working in these mines probably love their jobs. The article says they make 3 times what they could make in alternative jobs in their skill level.
That income is important to them, their families. And indeed to the entire economies of those villages they come from.
Rates totaling underemployment, unemployment, and those employed but under the poverty line in Peru are around 65% (or were in 2005, I imagine post-recession, things would be worse). I just don't see why people would want more jobs taken away in such a struggling economy.
And this doesn't seem like a non-renewable resource. According to the article, 12,000 to 15,000 tons of guano are deposited by birds per year. So why not continue extraction efforts, continue to have people employed, and maybe just encourage the companies (although I'd imagine they see the importance of this from a dollars and cents POV) involved to protect and nurture the local population of sea birds.
First off, I admit to only reading the first two and then last page of this discussion. But I doubt my position has already been discussed.
I have to respectfully disagree with the sentiment I'm seeing in this thread. I agree that if there is a special case of bat guano harvesting that damages the environment in some serious way, such as the apparent case of Jamaican underwater caves as mentioned by the OP, then that is a special case that deserves a consumer boycott among those dedicated to the environment and social justice.
However, I think that if most bat guano operations are similar to that featured in the article linked to by quadracer is the norm, then there is no reason to look for guano alternatives.
It sounds to me like the people working in these mines probably love their jobs. The article says they make 3 times what they could make in alternative jobs in their skill level.
That income is important to them, their families. And indeed to the entire economies of those villages they come from.
Rates totaling underemployment, unemployment, and those employed but under the poverty line in Peru are around 65% (or were in 2005, I imagine post-recession, things would be worse). I just don't see why people would want more jobs taken away in such a struggling economy.
And this doesn't seem like a non-renewable resource. According to the article, 12,000 to 15,000 tons of guano are deposited by birds per year. So why not continue extraction efforts, continue to have people employed, and maybe just encourage the companies (although I'd imagine they see the importance of this from a dollars and cents POV) involved to protect and nurture the local population of sea birds.
Guano is often excavated from sites of archaeological interest. The top layer is removed and piled up to one side. The lower layers containing any archaeological disposition are bucket to the cave entrance,, sieved to remove any archaeozoological remains,, and the guano is bagged by locals and carried to market for sale. The top layers of guano are then normally replaced,,, 1) to help protect any remaining archaeology at the site,, 2) so that the fresh layers can mature over the next few years.
Other companies harvest guano as an out and out commodity...
Caveman guano extraction - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fjuq5SAtrKE
The ethical implications of which are still open for debate,, especially the concept of "fair trade",, which is often wielded as a form of economic attrition!
Peace n flowers
Other companies harvest guano as an out and out commodity...
Caveman guano extraction - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fjuq5SAtrKE
The ethical implications of which are still open for debate,, especially the concept of "fair trade",, which is often wielded as a form of economic attrition!
Peace n flowers
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