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STOP USING JAMAICAN BAT GUANO

toohighmf

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Why are you even here? You come in on your first post talking shit (hippie organic freaks) and then start throwing shit around and saying after doing so that "you aren't trying to stir the pot" WTF? And then come off as some kind of authority figure warning people that the thread is in need of being shut down.
This is the organic soil forum,most of us here don't support environmental BS and chemical usage...Isn't there a "chemi guy" section on IC somewhere? Not many folks (if any at all) doing organics look at a chemi guy as a mentor. Really though,what's the point in getting all bent trying to get your point across to people that don't agree with what you say? It's kinda agro dude. Did you even read the whole thread? looks to me like you just like to argue...and you're still talking shit......shut 'er down.

Did you read the thread? I did. I'm not the one being a pompous ass. I made some fun, in good spirit. you are attacking me because you don't like to hear that anything you do is unhealthy,dangerous, environmentally wrong, and you don't seem to care about the alternatives. if you can't keep on topic and want to turn this into an organics vs salts thread, there is already plenty of them out there. please find one. enjoy. we're not here to discuss hydro, organics or anything but the dangers and health risks of using guanos. It seems you are much more "bent" over than I, as you can't stop. have a wonderful day:wave:
 

blwd67

Member
we're not here to discuss hydro, organics or anything but the dangers and health risks of using guano
Actually we are here to discuss the environmental impact of harvesting guano, specifically bat guano from Jamaica.

On the other hand this is the organic soil forum, so any antiorganic ideas will naturally be met with at least mild Malice.
 

guest2012y

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Did you read the thread? I did. I'm not the one being a pompous ass. I made some fun, in good spirit. you are attacking me because you don't like to hear that anything you do is unhealthy,dangerous, environmentally wrong, and you don't seem to care about the alternatives. if you can't keep on topic and want to turn this into an organics vs salts thread, there is already plenty of them out there. please find one. enjoy. we're not here to discuss hydro, organics or anything but the dangers and health risks of using guanos. It seems you are much more "bent" over than I, as you can't stop. have a wonderful day:wave:

Quote: "you are attacking me because you don't like to hear that anything you do is unhealthy,dangerous, environmentally wrong, and you don't seem to care about the alternatives."

Really? you know me better than I know myself..WOW! That's a pretty bold blanket statement considering you have no clue what the fuck I think at all unless you are my long lost brother.
You're a exhibiting troll behavior,and I'm guilty for feeding you.
You ARE the cat creating conflict here and most everyone agrees that you are abrasive with your choice of dialect. You are good at seeking arguements and getting them...it's called negative attention,and you seem to be addicted to it.
 

toohighmf

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I think you got is ass backwards on the trolling. I will leave your organic gardening thread to yourselves. I'm pulling myself out of your fine conversation. have a terrific life. don't go dying of farmers lung now! :wave:
 

NUG-JUG

Member
holy batshit!

Kenny's back to drop knowledge...organics is dangerous to the world since we all must use evil guanos to get a good crop...wait you don't have to use guano at all just compost? ahh nevermind damn, thought everyone was going to come to the completely clean environmentally safe way. dro is the way to go, unless you care what the water table shows..
 

guest2012y

Living with the soil
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Does real organic gardening smell or attract bugs?
Yes..it has all kinds of smells depending on what you use. Guano for example doesn't really smell when mixed in the soil. Fish hydrolysate,crab meal,fish bone meal,kelp meal all smells pretty much like the ocean. Compost isn't really stinky as you might think. EWC smells like dirt. Some good ACT teas smell more food like when they are in the right range for use.
The best smell is the finished product.
Almost any cannabis garden will attract bugs simply because it's highly nutritious food just sitting there with no natural predators in the indoor environment to keep it things in balance.
Bugs don't bug me..I manage them (not control them) with several safe and environmentally conscience methods. I have lots of bugs,but they are more like indicator species to me. Mites and severally damaging insects are met with aggressive organic IPM.
 

blwd67

Member
Since this thread is already beat to shit, capt can you give some examples of indicator bugs and the methods you use to control them?
 

guest2012y

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Blind soil thrips,predatory and other types of soil mites,pill bugs,worms,spiders...and even fungus gnats are a good indicator of overall health. Any swing in population would possibly indicate an imbalance which would be corrected with an appropriate action. Either introduce a control species,or adjust the amendments in your mix on a recycle to reduce or increase available food.
Bad news would be mites,root aphids,whiteflies,and the common thrips....neem oil foliars and soil drenches has won all those battles in my garden utilizing a strict IPM schedule.
How 'bout that bat shit huh....
 

VerdantGreen

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i think what it is, is that some chem growers cant deal with the fact that organic growing IS kinder to the planet than their chosen method - not perfect by any means but head and shoulders above the rest. so they hang around and try to jump on anything negative that they can find in order to make themselves feel better about it.

and posting irrelevant info about organic chemicals (ironically manufactured for chem gardening) doesnt help either - just serves to show that they dont get it.

to all those guilty as charged, this is me waving down at you from the moral high-ground :wave:

VG :tiphat:
 
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i think what it is, is that some chem growers cant deal with the fact that organic growing IS kinder to the planet than their chosen method - not perfect by any means but head and shoulders above the rest. so they hang around and try to jump on anything negative that they can find in order to make themselves feel better about it.

and posting irrelevant info about organic chemicals (ironically manufactured for chem gardening) doesnt help either - just serves to show that they dont get it.

to all those guilty as charged, this is me waving down at you from the moral high-ground :wave:

VG :tiphat:

It seems to me that the majority (not all) chem growers are growing that way for two reasons. The first is unintentional and the second is very intentional.

1. Upon making their decision to become self-sufficient they realized they know NOTHING about botany so they mosey on down to the local hydro store and ask a ton of questions about 'tomato growing'. The store proprietor then sells them a bunch of chemical products and this is how they define growing. (Like myself, until I started looking outside wondering why the hell the tree's don't yellow when I'm not feeding them - answer organics)

2. Massive hydro yields for selling purposes.


So, if you are an unintentional chemical grower who wants to really be able to put his/her heart into their work and get great tasting herb (and yes it can be A LOT of labor) then take up organic growing. Ask questions, read books (Teaming with Microbes) and learn. Or be stuck in your ways defending yourself just because you cannot admit you were wrong.

If you're in the second example. F*** *** for giving the rest of us a bad name.
 
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redspaghetti

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It seems to me that the majority (not all) chem growers are growing that way for two reasons. The first is unintentional and the second is very intentional.

1. Upon making their decision to become self-sufficient they realized they know NOTHING about botany so they mosey on down to the local hydro store and ask a ton of questions about 'tomato growing'. The store proprietor then sells them a bunch of chemical products and this is how they define growing. (Like myself, until I started looking outside wondering why the hell the tree's don't yellow when I'm not feeding them - answer organics)

2. Massive hydro yields for selling purposes.


So, if you are an unintentional chemical grower who wants to really be able to put his/her heart into their work and get great tasting herb (and yes it can be A LOT of labor) then take up organic growing. Ask questions, read books (Teaming with Microbes) and learn. Or be stuck in your ways defending yourself just because you cannot admit you were wrong.

If you're in the second example. F*** *** for giving the rest of us a bad name.


What is organic ?

Is it the stuff with the that made from organic things, then get bagg up and sold in store ?


A guy goes to stores buy all organic things to grow his weed
A guy goes find compost on his land, reuse native soil, and manures to grow his weed.

Are they both growing organically?

Some time we cant speak for everyone, we dont know what every one thinks, majority of hydro growers go hydro because they dont like to deal with messy dirt, when growing INDOOR, personally i LOVE DIRT but i grow indoor and its a lot easier to deal with hydro then dirt indoor.



sorry for the off topic :D
cheers,
red.
 

twiztidbudsmoke

Active member
this is an interesting thread I was thinking of taking a trip to a cave where mexican bats migrate & seeing if I cant just grab some guano droppings off the cave floor wich is easily accessable by a tunnel. It would be well worth it im sure
 
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vonforne

this is an interesting thread I was thinking of taking a trip to a cave where mexican bats migrate & seeing if I cant just grab some guano droppings off the cave floor wich is easily accessable by a tunnel. It would be well worth it im sure


Hey man, you might want to be careful there. You will get sick.
 

twiztidbudsmoke

Active member
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CT Guy

thanks guys, its probabely not a good idea! lol, not without a badass gasmask

It's also not a good reason for all the reasons the original poster listed. I'd really like to see people moving away from guanos towards more environmentally-responsible options as well if possible.

Cheers,
CT
 

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