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Here is my take on pruning....
First, I think it differs from annuals to perennials. Perennials are in the long haul for energy and carbon storage and assimilation. They build up more and more roots, and in most cases, trunk and branching, over multiple growing seasons. They are taking that energy from the sun and storing it in growth that won't, or at least shouldn't, die back. An annual plant only has until the winter for storage, and otherwise all its energy is stored for that final push in the fall to produce seeds, and then completely dies.
With this in mind about annuals, light cycle plays a role here. Namely, I have observed the difference between growing full season outdoors at 37°N compared to summer light deprivation and indoors. Full season outdoor plants are getting the most full unobscured sunlight at the height of the summer, around and right after the solstice. In the fall, when they are using the most energy for seed (i.e. flower or fruit) production, they are getting much less light, both in length of day, and because of the lower angle of the sun, and also possibly because of more cloudy weather that time of year, for many parts of the world. Fast growing annuals are storing as much as they can during the veg period, to have the energy to finish before the coming winter and their death. So keeping all those bottom and inner leaves are a storage warehouse for later. The plant knows how to cannibalize itself if and when the time comes. Like it was mentioned, this will give you a few more days of nutrients if your soil is depleted. In the case of large 10lb outdoor plants, it could be a couple of weeks worth of nutrient storage.
Now, indoors, growers generally give plants MORE light intensity in flower than in veg. People generally will veg under 600w or T5s and flower under 1000w, at least that is the standard. So the plant is receiving much more energy in flower to produce buds/seeds/fruit/flowers. Also, that intensity is still considerably less than what the sun gives plants full season in summer veg. So far that reason, I do prune my indoor and summer light dep plants, but I mostly do NOT prune full season outdoor or greenhouse plants.
First, I think it differs from annuals to perennials. Perennials are in the long haul for energy and carbon storage and assimilation. They build up more and more roots, and in most cases, trunk and branching, over multiple growing seasons. They are taking that energy from the sun and storing it in growth that won't, or at least shouldn't, die back. An annual plant only has until the winter for storage, and otherwise all its energy is stored for that final push in the fall to produce seeds, and then completely dies.
With this in mind about annuals, light cycle plays a role here. Namely, I have observed the difference between growing full season outdoors at 37°N compared to summer light deprivation and indoors. Full season outdoor plants are getting the most full unobscured sunlight at the height of the summer, around and right after the solstice. In the fall, when they are using the most energy for seed (i.e. flower or fruit) production, they are getting much less light, both in length of day, and because of the lower angle of the sun, and also possibly because of more cloudy weather that time of year, for many parts of the world. Fast growing annuals are storing as much as they can during the veg period, to have the energy to finish before the coming winter and their death. So keeping all those bottom and inner leaves are a storage warehouse for later. The plant knows how to cannibalize itself if and when the time comes. Like it was mentioned, this will give you a few more days of nutrients if your soil is depleted. In the case of large 10lb outdoor plants, it could be a couple of weeks worth of nutrient storage.
Now, indoors, growers generally give plants MORE light intensity in flower than in veg. People generally will veg under 600w or T5s and flower under 1000w, at least that is the standard. So the plant is receiving much more energy in flower to produce buds/seeds/fruit/flowers. Also, that intensity is still considerably less than what the sun gives plants full season in summer veg. So far that reason, I do prune my indoor and summer light dep plants, but I mostly do NOT prune full season outdoor or greenhouse plants.
Space Case, so are you saying that if you veg with 1k and flower in 1k, you wouldnt have to prune any leaves off?
Wouldnt you technically have to start giving more food to the plant, if you vegged with a 1k and flowered with A 1k?
Since the whole time the plant was growing, it was making,using,and storing energy based off the constant 1k throughout veg? Now that its using more energy in order to flower, im thinking it would start needing/using more then it could keep up with and would start eating all of its reserves .. Just like A Flush, but in this case its because you didnt feed the plant more then what it was getting during veg..
Wouldnt you technically have to start giving more food to the plant, if you vegged with a 1k and flowered with A 1k?
Since the whole time the plant was growing, it was making,using,and storing energy based off the constant 1k throughout veg? Now that its using more energy in order to flower, im thinking it would start needing/using more then it could keep up with and would start eating all of its reserves .. Just like A Flush, but in this case its because you didnt feed the plant more then what it was getting during veg..
Oh I forgot!
Nickel,Wolf,TnT, or who ever can chime in lol
So I ordered the Lime and Gypsum... and now I feel kind of stupid lol..
Couldnt I have used Drywall? I swear it was just gypsum that was heated up and possibly lime.. Hmm I cant remember, Im not to sure if I'd have to rehydrate the drywall? But gypsum you purchase for Agriculture/plants is almost like a powder you said right nickel?
So I should technically be able to use the drywall as is, just crush/press on it , untill I can get it as fine of a powder I could right?
Nickel,Wolf,TnT, or who ever can chime in lol
So I ordered the Lime and Gypsum... and now I feel kind of stupid lol..
Couldnt I have used Drywall? I swear it was just gypsum that was heated up and possibly lime.. Hmm I cant remember, Im not to sure if I'd have to rehydrate the drywall? But gypsum you purchase for Agriculture/plants is almost like a powder you said right nickel?
So I should technically be able to use the drywall as is, just crush/press on it , untill I can get it as fine of a powder I could right?
caterpillar710
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A 50lb sack of gypsum is cheaper than wallboard by a lot
HazyBulldog
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Most drywall has fiberglass strands used for structure.
Drywall also has adhesives, probably carcinogenic.
Forget the drywall.
Lol damn you guys I wasn't that serious haha,although I do have a lot of different drywall/boards I think 3 different ones. Not all boards have fiberglass, and for some the only adhesive is between thegypsum and outside paper.... Kinda like how a lot of growers will use old calcium pills they don't take anymore. They crush em and sprinkle them on there garden.
I already ordered Lime and gypsum.. But it would be good to know what house hold items we could use as alternatives. Probably some time next year, I wanna make some plants have certain nute deficiencies, and then try to use something store bought and compare how it does to some alternative that everyone most likely has in there home.
It's kinda in the realm of being self sufficient lol... I'm sure we all have Bbqs at our homes and have oysters and crab. Why dump the shells? It wouldn't hurt to try make someone's trash into another's persons copper lol..
I know all this stuff is super each and this and that.. So don't start saying that.
I already ordered Lime and gypsum.. But it would be good to know what house hold items we could use as alternatives. Probably some time next year, I wanna make some plants have certain nute deficiencies, and then try to use something store bought and compare how it does to some alternative that everyone most likely has in there home.
It's kinda in the realm of being self sufficient lol... I'm sure we all have Bbqs at our homes and have oysters and crab. Why dump the shells? It wouldn't hurt to try make someone's trash into another's persons copper lol..
I know all this stuff is super each and this and that.. So don't start saying that.
Here is something you can make easily. And could be the base for your future investigations. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KlFuGN5OCs I suggest turning your speakers OFF... haha.
The pH is super low in less than 30 days.
The pH is super low in less than 30 days.
Alright I'll check it out. Also I did another ph run off test. On the #2 Tall&Sturdy Girl that was getting the most effected visually.. So I watered with tap water/molasses that I lowered till it had A ph of 6.6ph.. If I remember correctly the 1st cup of runoff that came out was somewhere around 6.4-6.6 I think I gotta check my logbook. But the 2nd cup was forsure 5.8ph I thought my ph pen broke again or something.. cause the ph of the 2nd cup of runoff that came out the other #1Bushy Girl was like 7.2 l...
I'm gonna check when I get home, I'm on the road. But I wanted to get ur input since the gypsum and Lime should be here in 1-2days Max
I'm gonna check when I get home, I'm on the road. But I wanted to get ur input since the gypsum and Lime should be here in 1-2days Max
Not saying that at all. 1kW bulb is nothing compared to the sun. The sun gives us the equivalent of 10,000W of light per sq ft, on a clear day, at sealevel. I do prune indoors.
Dankwolf
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Sugar. Water. Purple.
I didn't realize purple drink was the real woo juice.
My manganese deficiencies at high pH's have disappeared using this stuff.
To take alkaline water, sugar and alkaline fruit waste and in 30 days have some super low pH which is not vinegar, interests me like you can't believe. I spend a lot of money buying citric acid, this works much better.
Mine doesn't come out purple by the way.
To take alkaline water, sugar and alkaline fruit waste and in 30 days have some super low pH which is not vinegar, interests me like you can't believe. I spend a lot of money buying citric acid, this works much better.
Mine doesn't come out purple by the way.
Anyone going to the Emerald Cup?
I would like to organize a meeting of growers to have a sort of round table discussion on experiences both good and bad this season. Preferably Sunday morning prior to everyone one getting baked.
Getting stoked! I will be arriving in Cali this saturday and visiting several growers of both fruits and cannabis. If you are within 2 hours of SF and would like to visit, let me know.
I would like to organize a meeting of growers to have a sort of round table discussion on experiences both good and bad this season. Preferably Sunday morning prior to everyone one getting baked.
Getting stoked! I will be arriving in Cali this saturday and visiting several growers of both fruits and cannabis. If you are within 2 hours of SF and would like to visit, let me know.
TnTLabs
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good to hear you use citric acid, as that is my go to too..
i wanted to hear your assescment of how important boron & iron are as i dont see much mentioned on them here.
i once experimented with high boron levels, and cant say for sure but the one plant that received a repeatedly high boron dose flowered in about 2/3 of the time compared to the others... im not 100% certain it was the boron though.. i still want to redo the test properly...
but i have also noticed that high levels of Fe in veg give very healthy plants.
Also you see any benefit in adding ascorbic acid?
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