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Hey everyone! Its my first time coming into this thread and reading a couple pages.. I like how people try to give non bias good informative post to help others out if needed.. Theres alot of good information in here it seems, so ill get to reading..
Before I do that, I gotta ask if its ok for me to post up my FFOF Soil Mix,plans for it,and what I was/was VERY recently feeding my girls organically in soil and liquid feed every other water..
I apparently have/had A high N problem/nute deficiency and/or toxicity and wouldnt mind some more help so I can learn and possibly prevent this in the future.
Thanks guys, and DankW for introducing me to this thread!
Before I do that, I gotta ask if its ok for me to post up my FFOF Soil Mix,plans for it,and what I was/was VERY recently feeding my girls organically in soil and liquid feed every other water..
I apparently have/had A high N problem/nute deficiency and/or toxicity and wouldnt mind some more help so I can learn and possibly prevent this in the future.
Thanks guys, and DankW for introducing me to this thread!
Post away! No worries here...
So for 1 Big Bag of Fox Farms Ocean Forest(1.5 Cubic Ft) for my flowering plants, I mix it with
1/2 Cup Bat Guano-9-3-1
1/4 Cup Blood Meal-12-0-0
1/2 Cup Bone Meal
1/2 Cup Kelp Meal
1/2 Bag of Perlite. Whole Bag is about 1/2 size of Big Fox Farms Ocean Forest Bag
^ Mixed well,place into bin,Water with Black Strap Molasses when needed, opened 1xDaily to get fresh air,and mixed 1-2xWeek. This sat for 3 weeks before I used it..
I decided to use the flower mix for the 2-1month old SSSDH girls... Around 2months from seed, the 2-SSSDH girls needed another transplant from 1gallon pots into 2gallon pots to veg in for another month, so I used my FFOF flower mix for the last 2 months of veg....
After the 1st month and transplant, I gave them Water,Black Strap Molasses, and I'd add epsom salt 1xWeek..
2months into veg/from seed, I started watering with 1/8Tsp of Dyna Gro-Grow,1/4Tsp of Cal/Mag,1/2Tsp of Black Strap Molasses in 1 Gallon of Water that sat out for atleast 24hours,Aerated with Fish/Air pump for A couple hours. I'd feed them every other watering.
Besides A Cal Defiency A little after 1 month from seed, That was fixed with 2 flushes, 1 each day. Then watered with Earth Juice-Assist ,Black Strap Molasses,and I added Great White for 2 weeks after flush. I Watered with the tea every other day after the flush.These girls didnt have any more problems..
#1Bushy Girl On Left,#2Tall&Sturdy Girl on Right- 1 1/2 weeks before flower
Then Transplanted into 3gallon pots to flower in,with the amended FFOF flowering mix only at the bottom of the 3gal pot. I put a layer of New FFOF on top of the bottom layer,and filled in the sides with new soil as well..
Then I put them inside A tent under A 400watt Hps(set on 200watts) with CFL&LED Bulbs hanging.. 1-Day before Flower I threw them under the light for a couple hours to get used to it..
First Real day of flower the #2 Tall&Sturdy girl started to get a couple drooping/clawing leaves,and she was getting worst every day. The #1 Bushy Girl was/is perfectly fine.
#2 Tall&Sturdy SSSDH Girl, I think this was either the end of 1st day or 2nd day of Flower..
#2 Tall&Sturdy Girl, 4th day Of flowering- I think I flushed this day with Plain Tap Water
#2 Tall&Sturdy Girl,8th Day of flowering-Yesterday
#1Bush Girl on Right, #2 Tall&Sturdy Girl on Left- Pic taken yesterday, 8th day of flowering..
Watered with Plain Tap Water left out for 24hours,1/2Tsp of Black Strap Molasses in 1-Gal Water Mix on 2nd Day of flowering.. After Flush on #2Tall&Sturdy Girl on 3-4th day of flower both girls have been getting just the water and black strap.. Sorry its kinda long but I wanted to be precise...
EDIT- Forgot to add that I Top Dressed with 1 1/2 Tsp of Crushed/Grounded Oyster Shells
FFOF is Fox Farms Ocean Forest Soil-1.5 Cubic Ft Bag
1/2 Cup Bat Guano-9-3-1
1/4 Cup Blood Meal-12-0-0
1/2 Cup Bone Meal
1/2 Cup Kelp Meal
1/2 Bag of Perlite. Whole Bag is about 1/2 size of Big Fox Farms Ocean Forest Bag
^ Mixed well,place into bin,Water with Black Strap Molasses when needed, opened 1xDaily to get fresh air,and mixed 1-2xWeek. This sat for 3 weeks before I used it..
I decided to use the flower mix for the 2-1month old SSSDH girls... Around 2months from seed, the 2-SSSDH girls needed another transplant from 1gallon pots into 2gallon pots to veg in for another month, so I used my FFOF flower mix for the last 2 months of veg....
After the 1st month and transplant, I gave them Water,Black Strap Molasses, and I'd add epsom salt 1xWeek..
2months into veg/from seed, I started watering with 1/8Tsp of Dyna Gro-Grow,1/4Tsp of Cal/Mag,1/2Tsp of Black Strap Molasses in 1 Gallon of Water that sat out for atleast 24hours,Aerated with Fish/Air pump for A couple hours. I'd feed them every other watering.
Besides A Cal Defiency A little after 1 month from seed, That was fixed with 2 flushes, 1 each day. Then watered with Earth Juice-Assist ,Black Strap Molasses,and I added Great White for 2 weeks after flush. I Watered with the tea every other day after the flush.These girls didnt have any more problems..
#1Bushy Girl On Left,#2Tall&Sturdy Girl on Right- 1 1/2 weeks before flower
Then Transplanted into 3gallon pots to flower in,with the amended FFOF flowering mix only at the bottom of the 3gal pot. I put a layer of New FFOF on top of the bottom layer,and filled in the sides with new soil as well..
Then I put them inside A tent under A 400watt Hps(set on 200watts) with CFL&LED Bulbs hanging.. 1-Day before Flower I threw them under the light for a couple hours to get used to it..
First Real day of flower the #2 Tall&Sturdy girl started to get a couple drooping/clawing leaves,and she was getting worst every day. The #1 Bushy Girl was/is perfectly fine.
#2 Tall&Sturdy SSSDH Girl, I think this was either the end of 1st day or 2nd day of Flower..
#2 Tall&Sturdy Girl, 4th day Of flowering- I think I flushed this day with Plain Tap Water
#2 Tall&Sturdy Girl,8th Day of flowering-Yesterday
#1Bush Girl on Right, #2 Tall&Sturdy Girl on Left- Pic taken yesterday, 8th day of flowering..
Watered with Plain Tap Water left out for 24hours,1/2Tsp of Black Strap Molasses in 1-Gal Water Mix on 2nd Day of flowering.. After Flush on #2Tall&Sturdy Girl on 3-4th day of flower both girls have been getting just the water and black strap.. Sorry its kinda long but I wanted to be precise...
EDIT- Forgot to add that I Top Dressed with 1 1/2 Tsp of Crushed/Grounded Oyster Shells
FFOF is Fox Farms Ocean Forest Soil-1.5 Cubic Ft Bag
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Well I think you,TnT, and me got her back on track. Look at the pics on day 4 of flower.. She want growing/stretching at all or showing pre flowers yet. But #1 Bushy Girl was stretching good, and showed pre flowers on 3rd-4th day of flower..
Its just weird because theyve been using the same FFOF flowering mix through out veg. Once there in flower #2Tall&Sturdy Girl starts going down hill from nitrogen toxicity...
Yeah man I was reading a couple pages of this thread.. I wouldnt have asked these guys for there opinions if I didnt like what I saw from there post lol.. Im glad you introduced me to this thread! Now I just gotta get the lime and 2-3 more bags of FFOF to mix with the Semi-Hot flowering mix. then start prepping the New Mix for the Raised Outdoor Flowering Bed!!
Its just weird because theyve been using the same FFOF flowering mix through out veg. Once there in flower #2Tall&Sturdy Girl starts going down hill from nitrogen toxicity...
Yeah man I was reading a couple pages of this thread.. I wouldnt have asked these guys for there opinions if I didnt like what I saw from there post lol.. Im glad you introduced me to this thread! Now I just gotta get the lime and 2-3 more bags of FFOF to mix with the Semi-Hot flowering mix. then start prepping the New Mix for the Raised Outdoor Flowering Bed!!
Dakine,
What is FFOF?
From your list of goodies, you have twanged (technical term) the hell out of that soil without enough space to do so.
What does that mean? Not enough Ca to withstand everything else you dumped in there.
I can only help with numbers. You have made a hybrid soil and it needs to be treated depending on what is there. I know it is a major pain to do, but send 200 grams to the lab and let's figure out what happened... and how to fix it.
I can see zinc deficiencies, nutrient block up (not enough Ca) and from your formula I would say not enough P. However, those are all guesses. I am good at guessing, but I am better when you give me numbers.
I can tell you right now and most everyone on this forum, or most any agriculturalist world wide, eyes closed, you don't have enough Ca. And when you see a Ca deficiency, you already lost the game. The best you can try for now is to save yourself from disaster.
Throw a handful or so of gyspum on there and wash it in well. I wonder if you are over irrigating too... those drooping leaves are worrysome.
Do you have a conducutivity meter to measure ppms? A pH meter or paper? Testing run off would be real helpful to get quick answers. We can get a lab result in 4 days if you fedex it...
What is FFOF?
From your list of goodies, you have twanged (technical term) the hell out of that soil without enough space to do so.
What does that mean? Not enough Ca to withstand everything else you dumped in there.
I can only help with numbers. You have made a hybrid soil and it needs to be treated depending on what is there. I know it is a major pain to do, but send 200 grams to the lab and let's figure out what happened... and how to fix it.
I can see zinc deficiencies, nutrient block up (not enough Ca) and from your formula I would say not enough P. However, those are all guesses. I am good at guessing, but I am better when you give me numbers.
I can tell you right now and most everyone on this forum, or most any agriculturalist world wide, eyes closed, you don't have enough Ca. And when you see a Ca deficiency, you already lost the game. The best you can try for now is to save yourself from disaster.
Throw a handful or so of gyspum on there and wash it in well. I wonder if you are over irrigating too... those drooping leaves are worrysome.
Do you have a conducutivity meter to measure ppms? A pH meter or paper? Testing run off would be real helpful to get quick answers. We can get a lab result in 4 days if you fedex it...
FFOF- Fox Farms Ocean Forest Soil 1.5 Cubic Ft Bag..
I put 1 1/2 Tsp of Crushed/Ground OysterShells as A top Dressing
The Picture with the really bad drooping leaves was taken after I gave her A Good Flush.. Cant really flush Organic Nutes but I was also using Liquid Nutes during veg so I wanted to get those out as much as possible..
I only have A Ph Pen and its Brand New only a couple days old but im getting all kinds of readings . Run Off was around 6.8ph I think..
If you would like to get a more detailed idea of exactly what happened and whats going on. The grow is "Dakines New Grow" in my signature and its the last 5 pages of it I think..
Thanks for the Super Fast Helpful Response bro!
I put 1 1/2 Tsp of Crushed/Ground OysterShells as A top Dressing
The Picture with the really bad drooping leaves was taken after I gave her A Good Flush.. Cant really flush Organic Nutes but I was also using Liquid Nutes during veg so I wanted to get those out as much as possible..
I only have A Ph Pen and its Brand New only a couple days old but im getting all kinds of readings . Run Off was around 6.8ph I think..
If you would like to get a more detailed idea of exactly what happened and whats going on. The grow is "Dakines New Grow" in my signature and its the last 5 pages of it I think..
Thanks for the Super Fast Helpful Response bro!
Yeah I do have A water/PH/Soil issues lol...The past 2 months I didnt have A Ph pen cause I forgot to put my last 1 away and it dried out for a couple days lol.. I just got a new pen a couple days ago..
So I still have about A Bag of Fresh/New Semi-Hot Fox Farms Ocean Forest semi/lightly amended mix I use for flower..
I was going to add 1-Bag of Fox Farms Light Warrior(Super Light) Soil mix,3-Bags of Fox Farms Ocean Forest Soil Mix(Bat Guano,Fish&Crab Meal already in it), and 1-Bag of Perlite to the Flowering Mix that I already have. I will use that for A Raised Outdoor Soil Bed..
You think I should add Gypsum instead of the lime?
So I still have about A Bag of Fresh/New Semi-Hot Fox Farms Ocean Forest semi/lightly amended mix I use for flower..
I was going to add 1-Bag of Fox Farms Light Warrior(Super Light) Soil mix,3-Bags of Fox Farms Ocean Forest Soil Mix(Bat Guano,Fish&Crab Meal already in it), and 1-Bag of Perlite to the Flowering Mix that I already have. I will use that for A Raised Outdoor Soil Bed..
You think I should add Gypsum instead of the lime?
The FFOF says the following. And then you loaded in a bunch more... dang.
"Garden tip: Perfect for containers and ready to use right out of the bag. Ocean Forest® is pH adjusted at 6.3 to 6.8 to allow for optimum fertilizer uptake. There’s no need for nitrogen fertilizers at first."
"Garden tip: Perfect for containers and ready to use right out of the bag. Ocean Forest® is pH adjusted at 6.3 to 6.8 to allow for optimum fertilizer uptake. There’s no need for nitrogen fertilizers at first."
And your dolomite warning?
TnTLabs
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its all good Dakine, we prevented it before you potted all the new ones, so no biggie..
and you are on the right track now
like i said right at the beginning you mixed in too much and then added nutes on top of that, burning them and most prob lowering the soil ph too much...
keep it simple and get to know the plant and your soil first before tweaking too much
you gotta thin out your mix now, if you will use it.. (id leave it, unless you double what you already have and then it should pan out)
you mentioned you want more control of fertilization, id mix them up with light warrior, perlite and the ewc like discussed...
then you will most prob need to start feeding lightly after 2-3 weeks when roots are estanlished
once we know your exact water + soil ph & ec it will be easier to figure it out.
peace
and you are on the right track now
like i said right at the beginning you mixed in too much and then added nutes on top of that, burning them and most prob lowering the soil ph too much...
keep it simple and get to know the plant and your soil first before tweaking too much
you gotta thin out your mix now, if you will use it.. (id leave it, unless you double what you already have and then it should pan out)
you mentioned you want more control of fertilization, id mix them up with light warrior, perlite and the ewc like discussed...
then you will most prob need to start feeding lightly after 2-3 weeks when roots are estanlished
once we know your exact water + soil ph & ec it will be easier to figure it out.
peace
You will ride it out a lot better if you throw some gypsum on there. Doesn't matter what your pH is.... read up on the SAR concept in water. The same holds true in the soil. You need to dilute all those nutrients with Ca. It works!
Don't use lime in coco, dolomite or otherwise, causes nothing but problems.
lol what's really funny is that if u had it in your sig I def would've saw it and most likely listened.. I've been reading your gorill bubble threads lol. I was supposed to grab a pack on bay when I got my last workers comp check but I bought a ph pen,neem oil, and smart pots..I slapped myself when I saw your name and remembered the pack I wanted HAHA.
But I do remember someone's sig,"it's not about how good the strain is Or about which elites to get, it's about maximizing the environment and potential of what you currently have". -probably not even close but it meant the same thing
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