Ron Paul 2012!!! Your thoughts on who we should pick for our "Cause"?

[ShroomDr]

Ah, the dreaded communism.

Its not communism, its socialism, just like your (price controlled) water, electric, and cable bill.

Its not even about totalitarianism either, its just about removing the 3 to 8 middlemen between the doctor and patient.

'Obamacare' only solidified the middlemens hold. The thought of doing nothing is also unacceptable.

Kickbacks, Pharma companies hiring 5'11" blonds to shill their warez to doctors who travel to a 'medical conference' in the Caribbean, [cough] tax write off vacation [/cough], kickbacks, Doctors getting bonuses for proscribing a certain volume of drugs, artificial scarcity to drive up prices, and kickbacks are all counter productive to living a life.

(Life being the only reason you go to see a doctor. One thing a dead man definitely doesn't need is a DOCTOR.)

Dr Paul is not going to fix any of these problems. And it is naive to thing that deregulation will lead to falling prices. No one willingly gives back what they've taken control of (See: Anheuser-Busch largest corporate contributor to the Federal Anti Drug Campaign).


As long as individuals can give other individuals a bonus for purchasing from my Ibuprofen supply for their hospital, we are all getting SCREWED. (Less anyone think the $8 Ibuprofen was covering other costs, i was also billed $1400/hour, plus numerous other veinpunctures, etc.)


Medical Care and Military are the handful of growing industries the last few years, this makes things much more of a problem.

 

[medmaker420]

^he'll give you back individual liberty only to allow your state to take them away.

That is one of the main things the federal government should actually protect us from even at the state level. If you understand individual liberties at the federal level then it would be protected at the state level.

Just because a state had the assumed right to for instance bring back slavery, it goes AGAINST the basic protections under our constitution and bill of rights to our individual right to life liberty and the persuit of happiness WHICH is not dictated by race, creed, sex, origin etc.

Yes states could legalize marijuana, others can legalize prostitition BUT if you understand individual liberty then you will know you need 100% legalization of individual liberty for us to actually be free.

Ron Paul has been fighting for this BUT with the liberties given there are a few things that must be understood. Just because you have the right to live as you choose in the same breath you CANNOT infringe in anothers right to the same which includes you fucking with his house, his property, his person, his air, his ANYTHING.

Respect others individual liberties and no state or federal government can ever take our REPUBLIC from us again.

 

[ShroomDr]

FWIW, what Disco said is essentially correct about Medicare. The GOP says Medicare needs reformed because the cost (prices) are getting out of control.

Ive had a fair amount of experience with my eldery grandmother, and the way she is treated is a shame. She doesnt really understand what they say, they do an aweful job of explaining it, and i had to pry details, and they are more than happy to send her to this specialist, or that specialist, ONCE.

It seems to me there are doctors who will take medicare and there are doctors who will not take medicare, and the ones that do take medicare will flog the shit out of it until they cant.

I had a relatively 'gloves off' discussion with her pain mngmt specialist. (The one i got her to that wasnt just a Rx farm.) They system is broke and twisted to hell.

You almost cant blame these doctors; it is the people getting rich who do nothing medically, and are nothing more that 'sick profiteers' who would be up for treason if they sold munitions (and the coming baby boomers effect on medicare may just be war).





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[ion]

take your health in your own hands....you must read. doctors are good for vicadin scripts....thats about it......

as far as the hopium people are smoking thinking that RP will lglze cannabis...........COGNITIVE DISSONANCE.

 

[ion]

IF RP gets elected, it wont be on the vote of the american't sheeple

it'll be on the agenda of the agenda-makers.....which you/I aint one of

IF he gets elected, he'll be tasked with riding the bitch into the ground ................or the prez that gets the honor of having the mother-of-all false-flag ops ever fabricated happen on his watch.

do you really think that a man that purportedly wants to end key 'welfare' programs(FED, bankster support, fiat B.S.)..............***and when i say welfare i dont mean stamps and dole......the only real welfare that has ANY impact has been corporate welfare originating pre-WW1 and continues in gains of magnitudes to this day***.....................so, the guy wants to officially end these cancers. and the ones who have the final say want these cancers......?

i dont say these things to prod and debate......i just dont understand after all we've seen/read/experienced, especially over the last 10yr, how people think that he has the propensity to "get this country back on track" ...............?

sustainability/recovery/business-as-usual is not going to happen....without a rinse cycle of some sort. we have a loooong way to go before any kind of "up" comes on the horizon. and most likely, that "up" wont be anything you recognize. or should i say our children will recognize.....the up is a few decades, at least, away.

hakuna matata!

 

[BrnCow]

Compassion of Ron Paul

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Rv0Z5SNrF4

Being scared to vote for RP because it will re-elect Obunny is just a chickenshit excuse. If we all swamp the polls for RP and the electorate refuses to elect him, they will be the target of a big fucking reaction. That may be as more helpful than a revolution and way less violent. Voting federal politicians would be on a 4 year hot seat with millions of unsatisfied voters bitching and moaning at them daily...

 

[itisme]

Compassion of Ron Paul

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Rv0Z5SNrF4

Being scared to vote for RP because it will re-elect Obunny is just a chickenshit excuse. If we all swamp the polls for RP and the electorate refuses to elect him, they will be the target of a big fucking reaction. That may be as more helpful than a revolution and way less violent. Voting federal politicians would be on a 4 year hot seat with millions of unsatisfied voters bitching and moaning at them daily...

Yep, Power to the people. I hear everybody saying he won't get the nod, but the issues I hear all pile up in RP's favor, the dogma however is being piled on!

DISCOBISCUIT he is just here to tear down ideas. Look at the evidence. Show me some posts where he isn't ambiguous or dogmatic. After 44 pages Discobiscuit finally gives his candidate (Gary Johnson) and is in discobiscuit is in the RP and NEWT political threads hammering the Ron Paul fixes, but he can't offer up his own candidates fixes and has no plans to apparently. Everything I find on GARY JOHNSON and the FED fall right in line with RON PAUL....So I ask once again, What is GJ's plan. I posted what I could find?

 

[megayields]

Ron Paul is unelectable (republicans will NEVER support him en masse) and he is crazy....see his newsletters in the past that glorified racist views all under his name that he is now trying to run away from.

He is a wackjob!

 

[itisme]

EXAMPLES OF DISCOBISCUIT's SLANDER, DISCREDIT, AND DEMIGOD RHETORIC!

Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit
What's the story on the newsletters? Two decades, 4 people in the various newsletter organizations and apparently the bad stuff is ghost written?
Quote:
Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit
Bad stuff aside, the newsletters read like fear and loathing

Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit
Maybe folks think a Paul presidency would bring all these conspiracies to life? Just kidding.
Another rough aspect is the gold standard thingy. Where are the economic studies that indicate a gold standard would NOT render us economically less viable? There aren't any. It might sound like a novel idea but only if the novel is fiction. The media doesn't squelch the message as much as the message itself is anathema to the general electorate.

ITISME MY INPUT TO THAT, Nobody is preaching Gold Standard but you .....Again RP is for commodity backed not GOLD STANDARD... Get your facts right...or is it something more sinister in your messages?

Quote:
Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit
IMO, Ron Paul isn't betting against the country as much as he's banking on the next gold run.
I don't believe that's been revealed.
Not a supporter - answer, no countries mint gold currency.
The short answer is no. However Ron Paul briefly responded to a similar question and I paraphrase, "We might have to consider fractional backing."
Looks like Ron Paul is well positioned, especially if and when the next gold run materializes. That kind of balance is much closer to all eggs in one basket.
I wonder what Ron Paul's messages of economic doom would sound like if they were precluded with, "Precious metals make up most or all of my portfolio." Folks heavily vested in precious metals are well positioned for increased sales. IMHO, Ron Paul isn't betting on economic doom, based on the fact that precious metals aren't the hedge against inflation they're advertised as. IMHO, it's more like the standard gold-sales pitch that seeks to increase the value of gold by increased sales. [/COLOR]

Do you see the tactic of saying RP is for gold standard and then trying to link this to his portfolio.....
Discobiscuit knows RP wants commodity backed money but that is probably where Gary J. has to go to as well....The Demigod conspiracy theorists wants to link RP to the Gold standard because it enhances rhetoric against Dr. Paul. Irregardless if it has any validity or not....I.E. The newsletters, the War on Christmas Baloney , and Disco's own trumped up GOLD CONSPIRACY!

Discobiscuit.
One of the most striking aspects you have developed is a distinct rhetoric of repression in the blame games and in depiction of concerted political violence as self-interested criminal activity to delegitimized Ron Paul, organizers, supporters, their motives, and their claims. You Point to traditions of rural banditry. Your covertly overt repressive rhetoric hinders our nation security in this way, the rhetoric of repression draws on an establishment of central social control.


I welcome all to explain how am I wrong.

 

[itisme]

SEE HERE IS PROOF HE KNOWS AND REPLIED ABOUT THE RON PAUL MONETARY POLICY BUT PUSHES THE SAME RHETORIC (RP wants Gold Standard, Racist, Out of touch, Unelectable!!!

Quote:
Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit
Ever thought about how Paul would manage ending the fed? Has Paul ever offered how he'll manage? Nope.
http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=1329475430

Yes we have! Here you go, now what about Gary Johnson???

Quote:
Originally Posted by bentom187
What he (RON PAUL) is for is a commodity backed dollar ,and by that he means multiple commodities like gold & silver,that way no-one can corner the market,you could actually use a completley unbacked dollar like lincon did (greenbacks) wich was only used because people in this country agreed that they would use it for the payment of debts and to purchase goods ,it was backed with only the full faith and credit of the united states.
In england they actually used wood sticks (tally sticks) to pay taxes.
Now would he stand to make money if we switched yes,but he's been preaching about the federal reserve for years he knows they manipulate the money supply to create booms and busts,and to tell every one to follow your advice and not be taking your own advice would be out of touch,espeacially with dr.paul .
I think a better question is why did nixon close the gold window and why does the federal reserve store gold,and why isnt their a annual audit of fort knox.
Here you go .... Since you asked in here too.

Good info. IMO GDP gets a bum rap because it's a number, not a commodity. However, GDP is the index of all commerce. Non-commodity trade isn't necessarily backed with something we can touch yet we recognize that service itself has real value.

We could theoretically expand the definition of commodities-backed currency to approach national wealth. In order to back our currency we'd have to sequester these commodities from circulation. National wealth is so immense that building the joint to house it becomes unfeasible. To credit Dr. Paul, we would have to consider some type of fractional backing.

So, this narrows part of the equation. If Dr. Paul would actually consider fractional, commodities based currency, the fiat aspect remains. Fiat isn't necessarily the werdy derd that many make it out to be. Fiat is bad in the sense that banana republic dictators exploit their systems to the point of insolvency.

Our system isn't left to a dictator. Some might equate the fed to a cabal that greases their own interests yet the fed's mandate is to sustain liquidity when private banks cease lending. The fed is also supposed to manage interest rates to mitigate booms to the point that busts aren't as significant. Obviously we can't perfect projected forecasts and history reflects the fed's poor decisions.

That said, commodity-backed currency would do nothing to mitigate inflation. Commodity-backed currency would not cause bankers to lend when their interests suggest otherwise. This narrows the equation a bit further and we begin to recognize what Dr. Paul particularly dislikes in addition to speculating on the potential outcomes, based on ideology's historic, economic record.

IMO, Dr. Paul most dislikes the idea of a group of people making monetary decisions. Yet a national bank would more than likely consist of a board seeking to mitigate the negative effects of inflation -or- do nothing at all, forcing the masses to swallow economic contraction.

IMO, Dr. Paul doesn't believe in government-sanctioned liquidity management, preferring that the market itself dictate winners and losers. I get it that a bad mouse trap might not make it to fame and fortune but mom and pop suffer to the point that feeding themselves becomes problematic.

Someone mentioned that Dr. Paul isn't a capitalist. I might expand a little to suggest that macro economics isn't necessarily on Dr. Paul's plate. The direct intent lies in seeing that the market is unencumbered with regulation and may freely exercise it's potential. IMO, we're getting to the meat here.

Hoover sat idly by as the precursor to the Great Depression got worse. This wasn't a dereliction of duty because Hoover actually believed the market would right the economy itself. Yet Hoover was no macro economist. Hoover believed that those suffering needed to better plan for their future hard times.

If we look at history, our worst economic times were when we had the least regulatory actions. Unfettered capitalism is like running with the scissors. The rich gain substantially during macro contraction and they're loath to change. The driving force behind commerce becomes the brake of upward mobility for the masses.

We were discussing economic opportunity in another thread and a Dr. Paul supporter suggested that opportunity spread too broadly devalues opportunity itself. Not if one looks at the cumulative. IMO, our president represents the opportunity to expand the macro or allow it to favor sectors of.

How would Gary Johnson Fix the FED since he doesn't want to end it? You see he can shoot down a plan but when asked to present one or his candidates.....He is light idea, fixes, or anything of substance!
What I found on him was good but vague. SEE POST #677
Gary Johnson on the FED: Wants scrutiny, Fix not end the FED, Not more regulations so Barney Frankees get more power, .....AND?

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Its not communism, its socialism, just like your (price controlled) water, electric, and cable bill.

Fair enough. That's why I reference "shades of" as the commie references have been flying here. If I remember correctly, the result of the Russian revolution was communist governance.

Its not even about totalitarianism either, its just about removing the 3 to 8 middlemen between the doctor and patient.

It's about cost management. I know not what "3 to 8" references but it's not gub middlemen. Gub health-care administration averages one third the cost of the private sector.

'Obamacare' only solidified the middlemens hold. The thought of doing nothing is also unacceptable.

If "middlemen" refers to the private sector, managing costs is still in the equation. Allowing your car to break down before repair will most-likely cost more than regular maintenance. Emergency room care is a driving cost factor and we have statistics that show we'll save money (yet) nowhere near the savings of a public option.

Part of the savings is minimizing our annual insurance-premium increase that rises 4x the rate of inflation. As private insurers tally the costs of their expenditures, mitigating non-insured emergency room costs (that many indigents don't pay) will lessen the burden of rising insurance costs on us.

Kickbacks, Pharma companies hiring 5'11" blonds to shill their warez to doctors who travel to a 'medical conference' in the Caribbean, [cough] tax write off vacation [/cough], kickbacks, Doctors getting bonuses for proscribing a certain volume of drugs, artificial scarcity to drive up prices, and kickbacks are all counter productive to living a life.

With the exception of Part D, Medicare negotiates rates with the industries. This is not unlike the private sector where private HMOs negotiate the costs of medicine and medical professional's fees.

(Life being the only reason you go to see a doctor. One thing a dead man definitely doesn't need is a DOCTOR.)

Not sure where you're headed with that.

Dr Paul is not going to fix any of these problems. And it is naive to thing that deregulation will lead to falling prices. No one willingly gives back what they've taken control of (See: Anheuser-Busch largest corporate contributor to the Federal Anti Drug Campaign).


As long as individuals can give other individuals a bonus for purchasing from my Ibuprofen supply for their hospital, we are all getting SCREWED. (Less anyone think the $8 Ibuprofen was covering other costs, i was also billed $1400/hour, plus numerous other veinpunctures, etc.)


Medical Care and Military are the handful of growing industries the last few years, this makes things much more of a problem.

Yeah, social-policy has been a werdy derd for 30 years or more. But it's cheaper and more effective than free man vs the greedy. This isn't just ideology - it's math. You would pay more without a pool if insured to mitigate your own medical costs. You likely have the benefit of this through your employer. When too few employers or other pool-types exist, 45 to 50 million people face the potentially, greatest expenditure of their lives alone. It's too (please pardon the expression) god damn expensive.

 

[bentom187]

www.ronpaul2012.com

From RP website : As President, Ron Paul will work for passage of comprehensive audit legislation, and he will also fight to legalize sound money so Americans will have alternatives to the Fed’s inflated paper money.

Ultimately, he will lead the charge to end the dishonest, immoral, and unconstitutional Federal Reserve System, enabling America to take a giant step toward economic security, financial responsibility, and lasting prosperity.

This is a book i just found and am starting to read online, http://mises.org/Books/mysteryofbanking.pdf
for people looking for literature on fractional reserve banking.

a outline of the 2 schools of thought keynesian and austrian.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0nERTFo-Sk&feature=fvwrel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTQnarzmTOc&feature=player_embedded

 

[itisme]

Gary Johnson repeal President Obama's Health Care Plan!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9c-NKoZJ8zE

Discobicuit's candidates desires seem quiet askew from the ones DB is toutng.
Maybe some people imply things about you because the evidence supports it.

What is the difference between GJ and RP on monetary policy? I see none. You have shown none.
You have shown a propensity to dismantle Ron Paul's ideas....Created your own Gold Conspiracy theory among others...

Meanwhile, You claim "Gary Johnson" is your guy and yet you contradict yourself and Gary J. policies and back a socialist healthcare policy. Gary J. says says repeal Obamacare. Disco touts it.

Gary J. doesn't want to end the FED but fix it.....Yet I see nothing from you on this subject to support GJ over RP.

I like that GJ is like, Hell yeah, let us smoke weed..Great for our "cause"

Ron Paul ending the drug war on principle. Preserve our freedoms.

The neocons (Newt) use the drug war to take away any gov't funded programs.....I.E. food stamps, unemployment, Pell grant.....& if we have Gov't MANDATED healthcare they would take that away too! 100,000,000 out of 300,000,000 Americans have used or use drugs and risk not being able to get any help from any Gov't Programs.
The Gov't is promising entitlements while they systematically take them away, yet tax and jail you!

other examples : PATRIOT ACT! Ron vs Newt - Do you want a police state?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXrLEIt_264

Denzel Washington likes RON PAUL Please view and think for yourself. Does it apply?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=rIoTLLIheRc

RON PAUL ALL THIS TALK IS JUST TALK When you never defend your views but tear down others as you talk out both sides of your mouth.......DISCOBISCUIT!!! This is you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ahQ4YvP4jI&feature=related

DISCOBISCUIT all you have is......
a distinct rhetoric of repression in the blame games and in depiction of concerted political violence as self-interested criminal activity to delegitimized Ron Paul, organizers, supporters, their motives, and their claims. You Point to traditions of rural banditry. Your covertly overt repressive rhetoric hinders our nation security in this way, the rhetoric of repression draws on an establishment of central social control.


Don't try to say I am attacking you. I am merely trying to discuss issues as you circumvent, deflect, and ignore the facts. You don't offer fixes but you tear them down. You give a candidate (Gary Johnson) then back something completely opposite (Gov't Mandated Healthcare) of what your GJ backs. You rip Ron Paul monetary policy but the guy you offers suggests the same fixes! AM I THE ONLY ONE SEEING THIS????

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Good info.

How does one accumulate interest on gold? Basically, it's supply and demand (and vs-the-dollar-strength) dependent. The value of gold isn't in a constant state of ascendancy.

I know folks who bought gold and gold shares in the 80s and quadrupled their investments. The balanced portfolio with a fraction of precious metals has grown even more.

I like my gold but it's not unlike other things where too much may be less beneficial.

 

[bentom187]

Its good cause it holds its value and is always a medium of exchange anywhere.

"In the absence of the gold standard, there is no way to protect savings from confiscation through inflation. There is no safe store of value. If there were, the government would have to make its holding illegal, as was done in the case of gold. The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. This is the shabby secret of the welfare statists' tirades against gold. Deficit spending is simply a scheme for the 'hidden' confiscation of wealth. Gold stands in the way of this insidious process. It stands as a protector of property rights." - Alan Greenspan, Gold and Economic Freedom

Below: 2nd edition -the mystery of banking -murray F rothbard
excript:
Which commodities are picked as money on the market?
Which commodities will be subject to a spiral of use as a medium?
Clearly, it will be those commodities most useful as money in any
given society. Through the centuries, many commodities have
been selected as money on the market. Fish on the Atlantic seacoast
of colonial North America, beaver in the Old Northwest,
and tobacco in the Southern colonies were chosen as money. In
other cultures, salt, sugar, cattle, iron hoes, tea, cowrie shells, and
many other commodities have been chosen on the market. Many
banks display money museums which exhibit various forms of
money over the centuries.
Amid this variety of moneys, it is possible to analyze the qualities
which led the market to choose that particular commodity as
money. In the first place, individuals do not pick the medium of
exchange out of thin air. They will overcome the double coincidence
of wants of barter by picking a commodity which is
already in widespread use for its own sake. In short, they will
pick a commodity in heavy demand, which shoemakers and others
will be likely to accept in exchange from the very start of the
money-choosing process.
Second, they will pick a commodity
which is highly divisible, so that small chunks of other goods can
be bought, and size of purchases can be flexible. For this they
need a commodity which technologically does not lose its quotal
value when divided into small pieces. For that reason a house or
a tractor, being highly indivisible, is not likely to be chosen as
money, whereas butter, for example, is highly divisible and at least
scores heavily as a money for this particular quality.
Demand and divisibility are not the only criteria. It is also
important for people to be able to carry the money commodity
around in order to facilitate purchases. To be easily portable,
then, a commodity must have high value per unit weight. To have
high value per unit weight, however, requires a good which is not
only in great demand but also relatively scarce, since an intense
demand combined with a relatively scarce supply will yield a high
price, or high value per unit weight.
Finally, the money commodity should be highly durable, so
that it can serve as a store of value for a long time. The holder of
money should not only be assured of being able to purchase other
products right now, but also indefinitely into the future. Therefore,
butter, fish, eggs, and so on fail on the question of durability.
............
In all countries and all civilizations, two commodities have
been dominant whenever they were available to compete as moneys
with other commodities: gold and silver.
At first, gold and silver were highly prized only for their luster
and ornamental value. They were always in great demand.
Second, they were always relatively scarce, and hence valuable
per unit of weight. And for that reason they were portable as well.
They were also divisible, and could be sliced into thin segments
without losing their pro rata value. Finally, silver or gold were
blended with small amounts of alloy to harden them, and since
they did not corrode, they would last almost forever.
Thus, because gold and silver are supremely “moneylike”
commodities, they are selected by markets as money if they are
available. Proponents of the gold standard do not suffer from a
mysterious “gold fetish.” They simply recognize that gold has
always been selected by the market as money throughout history.
Generally, gold and silver have both been moneys, side-byside.
Since gold has always been far scarcer and also in greater
demand than silver, it has always commanded a higher price, and
tends to be money in larger transactions, while silver has been
used in smaller exchanges. Because of its higher price, gold has
often been selected as the unit of account, although this has not
always been true. The difficulties of mining gold, which makes its
production limited, make its long-term value relatively more stable
than silver.

 

[itisme]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDTK8557gj8

Notice how the Ron Paul supporters talk about issues.

Notice how non RP people use Dogma, dismantling tactics, while they can't support their own candidate. The media and RP detractors never attack him on issues.

Un-Electable? LOL...Sure you say that if you owe the US Taxpayer 16 TRILLION $$$

Submitted by ZeroFiction on Tue, 01/03/2012 - 14:47
in
Ron Paul 2012
93
votes
http://drudgereport.com/
YOUR VOTE FOR REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE
MICHELLE BACHMANN 3.52% (13,479 votes)

HERMAN CAIN 3.23% (12,348 votes)

NEWT GINGRICH 12.32% (47,124 votes)

JON HUNTSMAN 2.76% (10,539 votes)

RON PAUL 31.43% (120,230 votes)

RICK PERRY 5.33% (20,370 votes)

MITT ROMNEY 24.14% (92,332 votes)

RICK SANTORUM 17.28% (66,097 votes)

Total Votes: 382,519
MR. UN-ELECTABLE seems to be taking a small stead growing lead....
Total Votes: 309,368

 

[Plant Early]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDTK8557gj8

Notice how the Ron Paul supporters talk about issues.

Notice how non RP people use Dogma, dismantling tactics, while they can't support their own candidate. The media and RP detractors never attack him on issues.

Un-Electable? LOL...Sure you say that if you owe the US Taxpayer 16 TRILLION $$$

Submitted by ZeroFiction on Tue, 01/03/2012 - 14:47
in
Ron Paul 2012
93
votes
http://drudgereport.com/

YOUR VOTE FOR REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE
MICHELLE BACHMANN 3.48% (8,830 votes)

HERMAN CAIN 3.24% (8,228 votes)

NEWT GINGRICH 12.41% (31,488 votes)

JON HUNTSMAN 2.79% (7,083 votes)

RON PAUL 30.45% (77,243 votes)

RICK PERRY 5.36% (13,601 votes)

MITT ROMNEY 24.82% (62,964 votes)

RICK SANTORUM 17.44% (44,230 votes)

Total Votes: 253,666

Thanks. There is a similar pol running at the Yahoo home page.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

http://www.intrade.com/v4/markets/?eventId=90932

 

[itisme]

http://www.intrade.com/v4/markets/?eventId=90932

I am posting what is happening or happened (actual votes carry more weight to the non biased), your posting PREDICTIONS that are probably from the mass media market....Not that they are biased.

POST #693 has DISCOBISCUIT SPEECHLESS........notice what and how he did respond Pathetic!


How much of those PROJECTION are based on $$$ spent on campaign adds and Media Exposer....Of course the smart $$$ is on MITT... Those projection look like the ones Enron and Worldcom had......PRE AUDIT you know, with all the fraud and misappropriation of funds still on the books.....Sound familiar (FED)

Ron Paul fought tooth and nail and got a PARTIAL GOV'T AUDIT

What did this audit uncover that Americans should know?
The partial audit revealed, Partial Audit of the Federal Reserve Reveals $16 Trillion in Secret Bailouts — $16,000,000,000,000.00 had been secretly given out to US banks and corporations and FOREIGN banks everywhere from France to Scotland. The entire national debt of the United States government spanning its 200+ year history is “only” $14.5 trillion? Reference (1)

Who got all that money?
The list of institutions that received the most money from the Federal Reserve can be found on page 131 of the GAO Audit and are as follows..
Citigroup: $2.5 trillion ($2,500,000,000,000)
Morgan Stanley: $2.04 trillion ($2,040,000,000,000)
Merrill Lynch: $1.949 trillion ($1,949,000,000,000)
Bank of America: $1.344 trillion ($1,344,000,000,000)
Barclays PLC (United Kingdom): $868 billion ($868,000,000,000)
Bear Sterns: $853 billion ($853,000,000,000)
Goldman Sachs: $814 billion ($814,000,000,000)
Royal Bank of Scotland (UK): $541 billion ($541,000,000,000)
JP Morgan Chase: $391 billion ($391,000,000,000)
Deutsche Bank (Germany): $354 billion ($354,000,000,000)
UBS (Switzerland): $287 billion ($287,000,000,000)
Credit Suisse (Switzerland): $262 billion ($262,000,000,000)
Lehman Brothers: $183 billion ($183,000,000,000)
Bank of Scotland (United Kingdom): $181 billion ($181,000,000,000)
BNP Paribas (France): $175 billion ($175,000,000,000)
and many many more including banks in Belgium of all places

Who contributes to Mitt Romney?
Goldman Sachs$367,200 stole Goldman Sachs: $814 billion ($814,000,000,000) BANKRUPT NOW?
Credit Suisse Group$203,750 stole Credit Suisse (Switzerland): $262 billion ($262,000,000,000)
Morgan Stanley$199,800 stole Morgan Stanley: $2.04 trillion ($2,040,000,000,000
HIG Capital$186,500
Barclays$157,750 stole Barclays PLC (United Kingdom): $868 billion ($868,000,000,000)
Kirkland & Ellis$132,100
Bank of America$126,500 stole Bank of America: $1.344 trillion ($1,344,000,000,000)
PriceWaterhouseCoopers$118,250
EMC Corp$117,300
JPMorgan Chase & Co$112,250 stole JP Morgan Chase: $391 billion ($391,000,000,000)
The Villages$97,500
Vivint Inc$80,750
Marriott International$79,837
Sullivan & Cromwell$79,250
Bain Capital$74,500
UBS AG$73,750
Wells Fargo$61,500
Blackstone Group$59,800
Citigroup Inc$57,050 stole Citigroup: $2.5 trillion ($2,500,000,000,000)
Bain & Co$52,500
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/co...p?id=N00000286

Who contributes to Ron Paul? ANOTHER REASON TO GIVE THE TROOPS A RAISE, ESPECIALLY THE MARINES
Cmte$500,000
US Army$24,503
US Air Force$23,335
US Navy$17,432
Mason Capital Management $14,000
Microsoft Corp $13,398
Boeing Co$10,620
Google Inc$10,390
Overland Sheepskin$10,350
IBM Corp$8,294
US Government$7,756
DUNN Capital Management$7,500
Corriente Advisors$7,500
Greenstreet Co$7,500
Northrop Grumman$7,272
Lockheed Martin$7,208
Intel Corp$6,855
US Dept of Defense$6,524
United Technologies$6,316
Federal Express Corp$6,255
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/co...p?id=N00005906

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Its good cause it holds its value and is always a medium of exchange anywhere... .

I'm glad you gathered I was responding to your post. Didn't realize there was another one in-between that I happen to have on ignore.

You're MMA and this other one's jumping off the ring ropes.