Ron Paul 2012!!! Your thoughts on who we should pick for our "Cause"?

[DiscoBiscuit]

are you dag in drag?

 

[SacredBreh]

OK....... NOT GETTING THROUGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OK....... NOT GETTING THROUGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ron Paul 2012!!!--Maybe I should not have added this but wanted input on him because that is the way I am leaning....BUT NOT SOLELY!



Your thoughts on who we should pick for our "Cause"?

Enough of the bashing of one candidate! Alternatives and why!

Peace

 

[ShroomDr]

Dr Paul is the only candidate who is likely to push an end to prohibition. And as the Skunkman said, he is less about 'pro pot' and more about ending useless spending, and Federal restrictions on private lives.

Dr Paul is the only useful candidate to talk about this election season. Im pretty sure Trump is anti weed. The rest have zero chance atm.

wikipedia.org United States presidential election 2012

SacredBreh Do you know the difficulties faced by a candidate who fails to win the majority of the electoral votes?

FWIW there are 538 electors, making 270 a majority. Without 270, it is sent to the House of Representatives

Pursuant to the Twelfth Amendment, the House of Representatives is required to go into session immediately to vote for President if no candidate for President receives a majority of the electoral votes (since 1964, 270 of the 538 electoral votes).

In this event, the House of Representatives is limited to choosing from among the three candidates who received the most electoral votes. Each state delegation votes en bloc - its members have a single vote collectively (and the District of Columbia does not receive a vote). A candidate must receive an absolute majority of state delegation votes (currently 26) in order for that candidate to become the President-elect. Theoretically, the 26 least populous states could vote in bloc and elect the President. Additionally, delegations from at least two-thirds of all the states must be present for voting to take place. The House continues balloting until it elects a President.

The House of Representatives has chosen the President only twice: once under Article II, Section 1, Clause 3 (in 1801) and once under the Twelfth Amendment (in 1825).

1825 they screwed Andrew Jackson after he won a plurality of electoral and popular votes (over 10% more pop votes). Second place became President (John Q. Adams) and 4th place, who was Speaker of the House, was named Secretary of State.

Dr Paul is the only candidate worth talking about who (indirectly) supports our 'cause'. But he has a LONG and a more difficult road than either of the other two parties candidates.

 

[ShroomDr]

Ya know, the more i read that, It COULD be easier if Dr Paul won a bunch of small states, and no one gained a majority.

If Dr Paul could knock off Montana to Arkansas, Alaska, and a handful more, he could theoretically come in third place in both popular and electoral votes, yet the small states could band together, popular vote be damned.

Either way, both hypothetical would be equivalent to a 'political coup' in a "modern democracy". Its the 21th century, not the 17th, the electoral college as is sucks.

 

[dagnabit]

are you dag in drag?

nope..

im me in drag

been enjoying an extended vacation in the sunnyshine state!


besides i see no point in responding to pages worth of off topic birther style nonsense.

birtherism is the lowest common denominator of political discourse and all i've seen from y'all nay sayers is birtherism.

at least stonedstupid has the common decency to admit he is a troll.

you try to hide your trollery behind verbal diarrhea but the sum total is still shit
the topic here is WHO WE SHOULD PICK FOR OUR CAUSE care to opine?

or just more smarmy -K messages?

if i had spread more around id hit you with +K (dont do -K)again,you seem to need a hug...

 

[stonedstoner]

i'm stonedstoner. stonedstupid is a different icmag user.

 

[SacredBreh]

Some good info......

Some good info......

Shroom-- I didn't know that.... Good info and appriciated.

Dagnabit-- you said it better than I did... thanks.

I just read the Newt thread completely. Some good info in it. There are a few from this thread over there and for some reason the way they interact is completely different and constructive even when disagreeing. I will leave it to those who care to check it out because I don't want to point out anyone in particular.

Lets keep it going. I have learned quite a bit despite some off topic dominance.

Peace

 

[medmaker420]

Ron Paul will give us back INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY

Something that is eroding away on a daily basis along with out constitution.

We are not picking winning horses here, you should vote for the CANDIDATE you believe in and trust AND NOT simply the one who can supposedly beat the current President SIMPLY BECAUSE the msm says he/she can.

dailypaul.com <-- great ron paul site to check out.

 

[stonedstoner]

^he'll give you back individual liberty only to allow your state to take them away.

 

[itisme]

Ron Paul will give us back INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY.

Amen brother....That is the truth of the matter and what made America great.

Ron Paul isn't saying legalize weed, he says legalize it all and I agree. I still will only smoke weed. I don't need the gov't telling me stay away from coca and heroin. This is what blows me away. Most of the cowards like Obama takes the MMJ question in a public forum on TV and ridicules the online participants.....I saw that and asked what happened to the, "Yeah I inhaled , that was the point guy" OWE, he got elected. What he should have asked was, "why did this have to be the #1 online question?" Because the drug laws and anti drug rhetoric have it where most are to scared or embarrassed to ask it in a public place. They risk ridicule, job loss, incarceration, loss of land and personal property all through the further erosion of the constitution. The drug laws are easily some of the most effective laws in place to suppress minorities and the masses, just look at the money we have wasted and to whom did it give power o. The prison guard union is the second largest union in the world.

I know some say Ron Paul isn't perfect but the terrorists really wanted was for us to lose our freedoms and create an economic downfall. The US presidents seems to have followed suit for them and have been playing right into their hands. Hence, the symbolic attack on the WORLD TRADED CENTERS (911) which is the US economic hub! Some others examples are the Patriot Act gives authority to exicute American citizens without trail, taking our freedom. We are in Iraq with nothing but dogma, lies, & no help as US Citizens foot the bill for an undeclared war. The FED has printed trillions in currency and refuses to be audited, while a partial audit exposes 16 TRILLION undisclosed interest free money, or some would call it stolen money. An economic downfall is what ended Russia as superpower, not being defeated militarily. If we don't fix the out of control spending, unjust wars, and deterioration of our currency and constitutional freedoms we will fall. As you can tell those are my own thoughts and although not well articulated they aren't Political Dogma.

that is why I ask you to, VOTE RON PAUL 2012

 

[whodare]

^he'll give you back individual liberty only to allow your state to take them away.

yes and then you can move to a state thats laws and ideals are in line with yours... there are 50 to choose from...

then the federal gubment can do their job, protecting and supporting the "United" states.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Ron Paul 2012!!!--Maybe I should not have added this but wanted input on him because that is the way I am leaning....BUT NOT SOLELY!

If you're not sold, are you sure you don't want the not-so-good input along with the good input? Never mind.

Your thoughts on who we should pick for our "Cause"?

Enough of the bashing of one candidate! Alternatives and why!

Peace

Had enough member bashing?

Gary Johnson - executive experience, advocates reform, advocates release of non-violent weed offenders, fiscal conservative, isn't whacked.

 

[itisme]

If you're not sold, are you sure you don't want the not-so-good input along with the good input? Never mind.

Had enough member bashing?

Gary Johnson - executive experience, advocates reform, advocates release of non-violent weed offenders, fiscal conservative, isn't whacked.

I wasn't bashing you bro. You said, "Read between the lines" and that is what I did and I posted links to list my reason for thinking such. SEE ABOVE

I like Gary Johnson too. I like Gary Johnson pick for VP! Ron Paul
I like that he says he would support RP if he got the spot, but run 3rd party if he or RP don't get it.
I also like some of his other ideas, Drug war, Eliminate Income tax and IRS, most foreign policy views, more scrutiny on the FED (Audit maybe) He don't use Dogma tactics that I can find. He is heavy for our Marijuana cause He smoked a Joint and said, "They lied to us" Love that over RP.

He wants the FED scrutinized but what is his plan to fix it?

Although he admits he didn't cut taxes enough in his own state. I actually like that, liberals are the only ones willing to admit any mistakes. His foreign policy is to intervene a bit more than Ron Paul making Dr. Paul more consistent in that area.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jg4Gr010JYY

He is funny too: Obama on jobs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hYAWHpfLpc

All I could really find for Gary on the FED
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuBpc6_o-5g

So what is his idea for a fix???

 

[CannaBunkerMan]

Ron Paul got much more organized and more quickly, than Johnson. If Johnson was running neck and neck with Paul I'd consider changing my vote. Until then, RP 2012!!

 

[Guywithoutajeep]

Gary Johnson is a lot less weird than Ron Paul. Paul will lose because of his supporters. They're the most unfriendly people on the face of the planet. The general public is genuinely turned off by the type that support Paul. Remember "Let 'em die!!!" and Paulbots cheering? It looked like it hurt Ron Paul's soul to say "Well...no" because the hypothetical question posed a serious threat to his libertarian philosophies. And the entire country saw that. If that's the type of people who vote Paul then I'm not voting for him ever. That mindframe is for weaklings imo. Libertarians probably give the crappiest Christmas presents. Fucking pamphlets printed on non recyclable paper.

 

[BrnCow]

The real question is whom of these candidates is a one world government supporter! Those are the bastards of the universe and a vote for any one of them is a vote for slavery and giving away US resources including money and products. I think Ron Paul is against this bunch of bullshit and even if he wasn't able to rally the WhiteHouse that he could be no worse than Carter was. So the fallout of making a mistake by voting him in would be minimal collateral damage at worst! Now Newt the Poot might just sink the US into hell, and the rest are some flim flam version of Newt..they want to hang cannabis users on a cross upside down and cut their nuts off on world wide television! And some would likely fry and eat them! I can't vote for sorry fuck heads that abuse their fellow man all in the name of freedom...freedom to become the first president of the New World Order! Fuck them and the horse they rode in on!

 

[dagnabit]

hell id vote johnson in a heartbeat.....
cant believe DB is touting him!!!

Replace job-killing tax code with FairTax
Stop incurring more debt; balanced budget by 2013
Our debt is greatest threat to our national security
Lower the tax burden; eliminate corporate tax
Balance budget by cutting entitlements AND Defense
Repeal ObamaCare & failed Medicare prescription drug benefit
Absolutely would not have gone into Libya; get out now
End the Department of Education
no cap-and-trade
Cut Spending: We must restrain spending across the board.
Cut Taxes: The US tax system imposes an enormous toll on productivity through high marginal rates, absurd complexity, loopholes for the well-connected, and incentives for wasteful decisions. The government must lower the tax burden to stimulate the economy.
Eliminate punitive taxation of savings and investment.
Simplify the tax code; stop using it to reward special interests and control behavior.
Eliminate the corporate income tax so that America will once again be a great place to start a business.
Reduce Federal Involvement in the Economy.
Where do you stand on gun control?

A: I'm one of those who believe the bumper sticker: If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns. The first people who are going to be in line to turn in their guns are law-abiding citizens. Criminals are going to be left with guns. I believe that concealed carry is a way of reducing gun violence.

Maintaining a strong national defense is the most basic of the federal government's responsibilities. However, building schools, roads, and hospitals in other countries are not among those basic obligations. Yet that is exactly what we have been doing for much of the past 10 years. Given trillion-dollar deficits, America simply cannot afford to be engaged in foreign policy programs that are not clearly protecting U.S. interests. There is nation-building and rebuilding to be done right here at home

http://www.ontheissues.org/2012/Gary_Johnson_Civil_Rights.htm

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

hell id vote johnson in a heartbeat.....
cant believe DB is touting him!!!

Big L libertarian...

Gary Johnson To Run As Libertarian, Quit Republican Primaries

First Posted: 12/20/11 08:35 PM ET Updated: 12/20/11 08:44 PM ET

Presidential candidate Gary Johnson is dropping out of the race as a Republican, and will instead seek the nomination of the Libertarian party, according to Politico.

The move doesn't come as much of a surprise. In November, the former New Mexico governor indicated he was seriously considering running for president as a Libertarian, telling the Santa Fe New Mexican he left "abandoned" by the Republican party. "The Republican Party has left me by the wayside," he said.

Politico reports Johnson will announce his decision at a press conference in Santa Fe on Dec. 28. His Facebook page lists an event occurring that day -- which will be live-streamed -- but reveals no additional details.

Johnson doesn't seem too bad, at least as governor. Two-terms, highly regarded, $billion surplus. Wouldn't mind seeing more media coverage. Will probably get less now.

As more of Ron Pauls writings come to light, he to will fade from being" flav O the week". I saw the other day that Gary Johnson had left the Republicant party to try and win the nomination from the Libertarian Party. Johnson is the former Gov of New Mexico and freely admits he smoked pot and it should be legal. Again he is a second tier candidate,(snowballs chance in hell of winning) but perhaps in the coming years(soon we all hope) there will be an electable advocate for Cannabis. There are an estimated 59 million smokers thats a lot of votes.

two term gov, $billion surplus, left office highly regarded

12-22-2011 • www.rawstory.com
Both NBC News and Politico have confirmed that Johnson will announce his attentions during a press conference in Santa Fe next Wednesday.

“I feel abandoned by the Republican Party,” Johnson said in November. “If I’d have been included in 16 of the last debates we wouldn’t even be having this conversation.”

But the candidate was only invited to participate in two of the more than a dozen debates this year.

“His exclusion from the debates and lack of acknowledgement from the Republican establishment has been very frustrating,” Campaign spokesman Joe Hunter told NBC News. “His commitment since day one to get his message out.”

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Reported by Donna Hancock

... Read the thread. I mentioned Gary Johnson as well as other candidates several times. Not as my potential presidential vote but just to point out there's more than one candidate campaigning for some form of legalization...

... Gary Johnson - executive experience, advocates reform, advocates release of non-violent weed offenders, fiscal conservative, isn't whacked.

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[DiscoBiscuit]

Iowa Poll Shows Paul-Romney-Santorum Dead Heat

First Posted: 01/ 2/12 10:04 AM ET Updated: 01/ 2/12 10:04 AM ET

WASHINGTON -- The latest poll of Iowa's likely Republican caucus-goers provides more evidence of a race headed toward a photo finish, with Ron Paul, Mitt Romney and a surging Rick Santorum running within two percentage points of each other.

The automated poll conducted by the Democratic Party-affiliated firm Public Policy Polling (PPP) shows Ron Paul at 20 percent, Mitt Romney at 19 percent and Rick Santorum at 18 percent on a survey for which PPP reports a margin of error for each candidate of +/- 2.7 percent. Running farther back are Newt Gingrich at 14 percent, Rick Perry at 10 percent, Michele Bachmann at 8 percent, Jon Huntsman at 4 percent and Buddy Roemer at 2 percent. PPP interviewed 1,340 likely Republican caucus goers on December 31 and January 1.

Like other recent polls, PPP shows strong momentum for Rick Santorum, who gained 8 percentage points in the last week. PPP also finds evidence that Santorum still has room to grow: His personal rating -- 60 percent favorable, 30 percent unfavorable -- currently stands as the strongest of the field, and voters choosing other candidates pick Santorum most often as their second choice (14 percent choose Santorum as their second choice versus 11 percent for Romney and 8 percent for Paul).

PPP's results and trends are mostly consistent with those on a half-dozen other polls released in the last week. HuffPost Pollster's chart, based on all public polls in Iowa, currently shows Mitt Romney leading with 22.5 percent, Ron Paul in second but fading slightly to 19.1 percent, Rick Santorum rising fast to 17.1 percent, and Newt Gingrich still falling and now at 12.9 percent.

One important area of consistency is a modest decline for Ron Paul, from 24 percent on PPP's poll last week to 20 percent on the new survey. PPP also reports a "precipitous drop" in Paul's personal ratings, from a net positive (53 percent favorable, 40 percent unfavorable) to net negative (43 percent favorable, 51 percent unfavorable) in just one week. The decline for Paul is consistent with what other polls have found, as evident on the HuffPost Pollster chart. It is also consistent with similar declines reported by the other organizations that have fielded multiple surveys in late December, such as American Research Group, WeAskAmerica and Insider Advantage.

PPP shows no significant change for Mitt Romney during late December, although their current estimate of Romney's support (19 percent) is 1 percentage point lower than last week (20 percent). Other polls have generally shown a gradual increase in support for Romney during December, though results from the three other pollsters who fielded two surveys in late December have been mixed.

The outcome of the Iowa race hinges on a number of potentially offsetting factors that remain difficult to predict:

• Will Santorum continue to gain and pick up votes from candidates like Michelle Bachmann and Newt Gingrich, whose support has been dropping? Or will the Tea Party and evangelical Christian voters who have been persistently reluctant to support Romney remain divided enough to allow Romney to win?
• Are polls correctly gauging intent to participate by evangelical Christians and older traditional Republican caucus-goers? As reported by the Des Moines Register Iowa poll, both have been less of a factor than usual in polling this year. An evangelical turnout similar to Republican caucuses past would aid Santorum, while a typically heavier turnout of past Republican caucus-goers over 65 would benefit Romney.
• Will hardcore supporters of Ron Paul, who tend to be younger and more politically independent, turn out in numbers greater or less than those found in most public polls?

A few more polls will likely trickle out on Monday, but the ultimate answers will have to wait for the votes to be counted Tuesday night.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/02/iowa-poll-paul-romney-santorum_n_1179412.html

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[dagnabit]

i've seen you bash deregulation,the fair tax,supply side and nixing the DOE while defending new healthcare reform(i don't like the created term obamacare),QE and tarp enough that i find it surprising you would even be somewhat interested in GJ...

i voted RP in the primaries and barr(really would have preferred root)in the general in '08
if RP swings the primary nod(i realize this is a long shot)i'll certainly be voting for him in the primary if he does not i'll most likely be voting for the LP candidate or GJ as an independent.

if RP did manage the nod it would be an easy general for RP. This is his strongest point and no one in the media want to touch the elephant in the room. it's all about the difference between the electorate voting for a candidate rather than voting against.

in '08 one of the main factors was the mindset of the electorate. the red crowd were by in large not voting for Mccain but against obama. whereas the blue and purple crowds were not only voting for Obama but also voting against a perceived(and true)continuation of bush policies.

looking ahead to november with a hypothetical RP v. BO general you will see an election where the red crowd are voting against BO. the purple crowd and even some blue are voting for RP. while the blue crowd would be not voting for O but against RP because of a perceived(and true)continuation of bush policies.

the perfect storm for a RP sweep in the gen.