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[Builtaforest]

I loved the Cali connect special in High times about a year back or so....

Powdery mildew factory lol

 

[Infinitesimal]

First, I want to say...

First, I want to say...

that to be a breeder you first must have skill at identifying quality. And obviously MOST people can't do this, thats why there is this thread in the first place and why so many are trying to rate so many low quality breeders at the top of the list.
People think they know what is good; and many many times I have personally educated individuals to the fact that their herb, which they thought was as good as it gets.... relatively, wasn't that good at all...

so to all of you talking down on certain breeders for the stock they use, IE elites, since YOU are equally if not a better judge of the desirable qualities in cannabis... why don't you get the stock you feel is superior and breed some new kick ass lines and out compete all the "Polyhybrid"izers with higher quality seeds at lower prices. since all of you KNOW what it takes it should be very easy for you guys.

Sounds like Carnoissuer Genetics breeding practices all the above!

Ive been following a few of there threads and im not knocking them but this is the truth.

They sell untested seeds

So you've been following a few of their threads... Uh huh... what, for 4 days?? and now you are going to warn everyone against the Evils of CSG! LOL

Umm... I'm pretty sure they grow some of their own stock... plus they give out tester packs to growers here.

learn the ropes before you step into the ring

If you get hermis or poor germ rate this ojd guy is ready to bite your head off and then you get the CSG fan boys that will gangbang you.

Umm NO! if you start a thread one day complaining of Hermies or all males with no rep, no grow diary, no pics... NO PROOF then WTF can you expect, one could easily lie and say that they bought a pack and had poor results, and if OJD or True gave them free replacement then it would be to easy for everyone to abuse that kind of trust system...

but if someone does outline their grow here and show pics of the problem, they always get free replacements, Ive seen it happen many of times... YOU just haven't been around the block

And if you were Gangbanged... thats what you get for hanging out with Crave and his Homies on a Rufie binge.

As far as i can see CSG are true Polyhybrid seed makers and dont even qualify as breeders. CSG is just another seed maker on the gravy train who has access to sum Elite cuts with big hype.

to me it is more important which male was used to pollinate said Elite cuttings, than it is to just have some polyhybrid of an elite, thats where the consumer responsibility comes into play... I need to know what genetics are being mixed on the paternal side, and that makes a breeder a breeder, choosing the right strains to combine to achieve desired results

Name some breeders that don't create polyhybrids...

you are obsessing over this Polyhybrid thing and I don't think you know what it is... so please explain to me the problem with polyhybrids??? I'd like to know, and maybe I can avoid them in the future!

Common guys which real breeder would use hermi prone plants to breed with for eg Chem,Casey jones? well not a real breeder but a true Polyhybrid would!

Are you calling CSG, OJD and Truecannabliss, Polyhybrids? like they themselves are the Polyhybrids? Is PolyHybrid the word you use to describe shitty breeders???

I'm fucking confused by your terminology

but I digress... "which real breeder use Hermie prone plants like Chem and Casey Jones to breed with"... Anyone!... who wants to have the highest QUALITY seed strains will.

1) chem, sour diesel, TrainWreck and Thai lines (all of which are in Casey Jones) as well as other's including land races (NOT POLYHYBRIDS) have Hermie tendencies especially when environmental conditions aren't perfect... some traits are linked together and so in order to experience the unique qualities that these lines have to offer one must deal with a few ball sacks and Nanner Popping.

2) removing a few ball sacks and Nanners is a small price to pay to have some of the worlds best smoke... and its not a big deal to someone who lives with their plants and can give them the daily attention that is good for them anyways.

3) thats what people want to smoke, so its what people want to grow, so it's what people breed for those growers who grow for those smokers; and everyone along the chain is willing to pay for the QUALITY QUALITY QUALITY... 3 times just incase you missed my point

Sumtimes the truth hurts but seed makers need to face the fact that they are just in it for the money and nothing else.

You know we can look up all your posts... right?

you hate on Chem, Casey Jones and CSG.

yet your name is ChemFrog... you state that you have the Casey Jones cutting, and that you are a fan of REZ's... you know that Rez was famous for hybridizing Hermie prone genetics Like Chem and Sour D right??? And in fact thats about all he did was make "polyhybrids " from Hermie prone strains!

so do you actually know anything... or are you following the same type of hype that your are speaking out against, and in reality are just a CSG Flamer???

You do know that CSG worked closely with REZ right? their SSSDH is not a "knock off" as you said, it's an F2... it is the same as REZ's as they are both currently F2 versions, weather you get them from CSG or Reservoir seeds. And CSG uses a bunch of REZ gear in their lines so how can you be a fan of REZ and not like CSG when so much of their work is an extension of REZ's work?

"Sometimes, the truth hurts but"... You're a Fucking Useless Troll..


your opinions suck... they aren't even based on any real info, and your vocabulary is sickening... learn words before you try to use them derogatorily!... go ahead google derogatorily and Polyhybrid while you are at it!

 

[avant gardener]

where's penn & teller when you need them?
breeders and dispensaries would make a damn good episode of bullshit!

 

[thaicat]

Whoever the fucktard that negged me is, they should get over themselves. I believe it was a simple question of who was the best breeder that one had used was.

If you know your way around a grow room, you know how to deal with PM...NOT the breeders fault. I'm not into all this propoganda shit of ''blacklisting'' certain breeders because they don't sell on this site or possible conflicts with management and said breeder...I don't get into that shit. Truth of the matter is, Cali Connection puts out straight fire. I ask anyone with a more potent strain than the Tahoe to alert me immediately and let me know.

I've run no less than 200 CC gear and have never had a complaint. Those that dogg him have either never run his stuff or are wrapped up in being fanboys...

 

[DIDM]

the grower who grew the bag that Chemdog bought, he was such a nice guy, he left presents in his product

 

[siftedunity]

I think Robert Fortune said it best, that if you do a little bit of research then you should do ok.
Just going to a seedbank and selecting a certain strain on THEIR description alone, and EXPECTING that it will be superior is a bit naive...

anyway, yes, back on topic....

i actually find this a bit belittleing as i dont remember ever saying i read a description on a site and ''expected'' it to be superiour.

in actual fact i wont spend a peny unless ive seen a few decent grows of a particular strain. and i generally even pm the growers if i can.
i dont really buy from seed banks like i said before i have serious seeds and tga but i have a certain amount of faith in those.

i actually bought something from a breeder here, very honest and decent guy, many people happy with his releases but unfortunately this was one cross which turned out to be a genetic mess. yup in all fairness i didnt see any grows as it was a limited release but hey you win some you lose some. it was a pun.. and i lost lol
thats why i would never advise people to buy untested stock.

so i agree with you mate but im not niave and you can still get fucked over if your careful...

sifted

 

[siftedunity]

Sounds like Carnoissuer Genetics breeding practices all the above!

Ive been following a few of there threads and im not knocking them but this is the truth.

They sell untested seeds

If you get hermis or poor germ rate this ojd guy is ready to bite your head off and then you get the CSG fan boys that will gangbang you.

As far as i can see CSG are true Polyhybrid seed makers and dont even qualify as breeders. CSG is just another seed maker on the gravy train who has access to sum Elite cuts with big hype.

Common guys which real breeder would use hermi prone plants to breed with for eg Chem,Casey jones? well not a real breeder but a true Polyhybrid would!


Sumtimes the truth hurts but seed makers need to face the fact that they are just in it for the money and nothing else.

there are other breeders here whos fanboys will jump on you hence why i dont mention names lol

 

[MrSterling]

hummmm well don't get me wrong I do love my clone only strains if they know how to look after them and don't clone a clone a clone a clone and so on. The line gets weak I don't give two shits who says what not many can hold clones for too long imvho.
You need to go back to the seed and find what you are missing in your lines again imvho Headband 707

Headband, stop spreading this "genetic drift" nonsense everywhere dude! No science backs this theory. It's Jorge Cervantes grade absurdness.

 

[Builtaforest]

Thaicat,

If wasnt me who negged you.

You are right about good grower handling PM no problem. Guess thats why swerve makes beans. The HT article I referred to was a walk-thru the Cali Connect breeding program (lol) with Swerves mug all over that shit.... Clones rotting, pm everywhere lololol.

I have CC gear too.

 

[thaicat]

Thaicat,

If wasnt me who negged you.

You are right about good grower handling PM no problem. Guess thats why swerve makes beans. The HT article I referred to was a walk-thru the Cali Connect breeding program (lol) with Swerves mug all over that shit.... Clones rotting, pm everywhere lololol.

I have CC gear too.

I apologize, I jumped the gun. I just see it as senseless and actually detrimental when propaganda and personal disputes enter the picture and people post negative ratings simply because of such. There are people out there that purposely snub this breeder or that one...Has nothing to do with their quality, just propaganda and BS.

Again, I apologize and misread your comment and therefore was an idiot...

 

[floralheart]

I don't give two shits who says what not many can hold clones for too long imvho.
You need to go back to the seed and find what you are missing in your lines again imvho

couldn't agree more

it really is all about the hunt.

Oh! you have Kandy Kush? Well... mine is better.

because I grew enough seeds until I found a better one, you bastards!

 

[floralheart]

that's the beauty of seeds, each one is different. even in the super inbred stock there is still that chance for a freak of nature.

Anyone heard from.dr.atomic or reeferman seeds?? Atomic nl was bomb

I've been wanting that for a while now.

I believe it was a simple question of who was the best breeder that one had used was.

you got it

 

[Red Fang]

I don't know why the op got so many negative feedbacks, this thread seems like a good idea in theory. I think many of us are overwhelmed by the number of vendors let alone breeders let alone strains, how do you choose? By hearing others positive or negative experiences with companies.

 

[floralheart]

Forgive my ignorance but what breeder does the subcool rep? I've been hearing a lot about his work on the forum lately...also anyone else have anythinf to say about BOG? I was an avid overgrow user years ago and I have wanted to run his bogbubble for a long time (literally like ten years) but never got around to orderi.g his genetics. His sour bubble is supposed to b phenom right??

I grew his Blue Moon Rocks. I had the fanboy mentality and hyped his stuff up in my own mind so much, I don't think any genetic could have lived up to my expectations. I was a fan when top of the line stuff cost $50 for a 10 pack and BOG was on OG.

Side-by-side with other genetics (Subcool, Dinafem, Mandala, Nirvana) I just found better stuff.

I will say this, his work is good. Stable, uniform genetics. Lots of uniformity bean to bean. Good flavors, true flavors. The powerful mellow stone was great.

Something unique I found, his BMR gets stronger over time, whereas most herb seems to diminish, the BMR I found 2 weeks ago, but grew 18 months ago or better, still damn strong.

It just wasn't as mind blowing as I had hoped. Subcool did that for me, so I'm growing more and more (eventually) to see if it was a fluke, or if his herb is THAT good.

BOG's gear taught me that sometimes F1 hybrids are sometimes better than F6 stable genetics. Sometimes you just get that ZING! in flavor from a F1 that's lacking in an F6.

BMR gets a second chance, because I still have 2 more beans!

 

[floralheart]

how do you choose? By hearing others positive or negative experiences with companies.

There's still hope for more good info

 

[StellarP]

And if you were Gangbanged... thats what you get for hanging out with Crave and his Homies on a Rufie binge.

Just a misunderstanding of "Propping Floppies" !


Cheers
StellarP

 

[thaicat]

I think it's a legitimate concern...The amount of straight up BS on all forums and all internet searches is overwhelming to say the least. I think it's insane that each forum has their own agenda and either paid or misinformed posters rag on others, simply because they don't sell on this site or the other...We all need to ''come together'' and just lay the facts out on the table...NOT be enthralled by which forum the breeder sells through.

I mean we're all striving for the same goal, eh? Let's leave profits, greed and agendas out of it and just report straight fact...?

 

[floralheart]

in my opinion if you rated Nirvana so low means you jugde a seed by its price, maybe that works for you, but I have had a lot of great plants from nirvana, so price aside, they deliver good pot for the money, I hope you have actually grown their gear before bashing them

I rated Nirvana low because I grew less than 5 beans of Bubblegum, and not one tasted like bubblegum. I take that back, one had a slight bubblicious hint in a few buds. Who knows, maybe it was my immagination. lmao

If I grew more beans or more variety, I probably would have rated it higher.

Plus, maybe I did, maybe I didnt' order $90 worth of Nirvana in 2003 or so, and get stiffed after sending cash in an envelope. I'm sure that played in to my overall disappointment in Nirvana on an unconscious level.

But after sampling or growing lots of Greenhouse and having the Nirvana experience, it's just time to move on.

I figure it this way - I'm spending a fixed amount on electricity and have a fixed amount of space, and grow super low numbers - so I want my space to count. Either with new experiences, or more unique grows, or more pricey, or exotic, or whatever beans.

Not a fan of clones or trading, or having people in my grow space, it usually results in disaster or problems. Never sell, but love to share the smoke.

I don't want anyone or their crap in my garden, unless it comes in bean form.

 

[StellarP]

I rated Nirvana low because I grew less than 5 beans of Bubblegum, and not one tasted like bubblegum. I take that back, one had a slight bubblicious hint in a few buds. Who knows, maybe it was my immagination. lmao

If I grew more beans or more variety, I probably would have rated it higher.

Plus, maybe I did, maybe I didnt' order $90 worth of Nirvana in 2003 or so, and get stiffed after sending cash in an envelope. I'm sure that played in to my overall disappointment in Nirvana on an unconscious level.

But after sampling or growing lots of Greenhouse and having the Nirvana experience, it's just time to move on.

I figure it this way - I'm spending a fixed amount on electricity and have a fixed amount of space, and grow super low numbers - so I want my space to count. Either with new experiences, or more unique grows, or more pricey, or exotic, or whatever beans.

Not a fan of clones or trading, or having people in my grow space, it usually results in disaster or problems. Never sell, but love to share the smoke.

I don't want anyone or their crap in my garden, unless it comes in bean form.

So......if reading correctly, you only grow from seed......not taking clones from said seed plants?

Cheers
StellarP

 

[Builtaforest]

If anything the shit talkin can be taken in stride here...

RIU and some others have higher bs to content ratio