Panama x original haze (and electric lady on back)
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question for sam the skunkman on the original haze
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In my experience with a tom hill haze, it grew quite well indoors, nice bud structure and finished pretty good, same plant outdoors is quite terrible. Not a good test at all. I'd recommend testing them indoors not outside.
Interesting information, i was under the impression I made f2s and labeled them that way.
Thank you for that correction.
To the couple of people who got some of them, this is me telling you they are labeled wrong. Sorry about that.
About keepers, the only female out of a pack I had was perfect for me. Exactly what i was looking for. All up, very motivating and goes away cleanly.
Seven of the seeds I made are growing now, looking forward to some variety.
Pretty sure a line this inbred is far more stable than 99% of the shit out today...
So talking about a rare 10% pheno is a lot different than something like Skunk or Chem\Diesel\Kush\blah blah with far more diversity in it... We are talking about non-hybridized 16+ week landrace basically...
Sam said its best to cross it to something because most people are use to bag appeal, speedy, funky plants..... Only when you compare it to a SSH or something will you consider the low yielding, mildly frosty stuff "hay"... but in comparison to other wild, true landrace type stuff that it should be actually compared to.. This would easily be more than "10% gems"....
I can't wait to pop some THH
Bless you for all you have done MM...
So talking about a rare 10% pheno is a lot different than something like Skunk or Chem\Diesel\Kush\blah blah with far more diversity in it... We are talking about non-hybridized 16+ week landrace basically...
Sam said its best to cross it to something because most people are use to bag appeal, speedy, funky plants..... Only when you compare it to a SSH or something will you consider the low yielding, mildly frosty stuff "hay"... but in comparison to other wild, true landrace type stuff that it should be actually compared to.. This would easily be more than "10% gems"....
I can't wait to pop some THH
Bless you for all you have done MM...
growing them indoor would give no indication of how they will perform outdoors ,
im 100% sure the indoor version would absolutely be a much poorer example than the outdoor version ,and more likely to come across a hay sample ,
in my climate that is,.
things may vary with yours and other folks however....
so in my case id be testing for that tripping weed outdoors ...
i heard many comment about mango haze and nevils haze ,
saying they found plenty of hay , and the odd great plant ,
that was not the case where i grow ,
i found all good plants , and some excellent ...
What I am saying is the same tom hill haze grown indoor and outdoor in BC on the island, it did quite well indoors, and is sucking outside. I pressed a branch and got 0 resin out of it. I'd never grow it outdoors again.
Its not a keeper, but it at least produced some full resiny buds indoor, 16-20 weeks it went.
On a side note, a chemdxchem91 indoor and outdoor; did great indoors, did great outdoors, and produced tons of resin. same time frame, same weather. Of course much leafier, but oh well.
Its not a keeper, but it at least produced some full resiny buds indoor, 16-20 weeks it went.
On a side note, a chemdxchem91 indoor and outdoor; did great indoors, did great outdoors, and produced tons of resin. same time frame, same weather. Of course much leafier, but oh well.
wrong variety it seems for your location for sure hk ,
those faster indica dom girls are certainly the key to success where you are man ...
might do better in a green house if you were inclined to want to try again ....
those faster indica dom girls are certainly the key to success where you are man ...
might do better in a green house if you were inclined to want to try again ....
Well i prefer indoor herb really. I have another lady going, looks more promising so far
JohnnyChicago
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Looks like a nice pheno that you have gotten there.
Tight indernode spacing for being pure Haze x sativa cross.
Looking very healthy too!
I'd guess the top one most potent.
Thanks, she is more "hazey" than her sister, more slender structure, narrower leaves, and is more sensitive to nutrients (I'm talking about manure, not chemical fertilizers)...
Even the male looks similar ...
The sister is more "robust", leaves slightly wider and larger, the stem is thicker, it is less picky with nutrients ...
Despite the mishaps that they passed, and some of my mistakes, healthy, beautiful plants have grown (perhaps in more experienced hands they could be better), a beautiful cross!
Another view of this pan-o-haze pheno, with electric lady on left...
(green oldtimer haze x thai x purple oldtimer haze x thai) x oldtimer haze...
I'll probably give them to a friend to grow them indoors...
I'll probably give them to a friend to grow them indoors...
hello haze lovers,
here are 3 THH...
there is so much more to discover in the THH...
what a great bud structure... hope she is potent too... from look a keeper
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another purple popped up...
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another great bud maker haze...
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all the best
M.
sooo sweet!
there is no chance for haze to finish properly at your climate. only chance is greenhouse and light dep., so they can finish before real cold and low sunlight intensity. but this is quite clear when you know history of haze, it needed greenhouse in California man
when I talked about thh can take cold, I meant like 48°F in night
but during the day you need sunny days and temperature above 77°F in greenhouse. even in Italy they prefer haze hybrids as they would have to chop real haze in January/February and its raining there and not so much of the Sun. it needs intense sunlight. when growing in Australia, the Sun bulb is very intense there. high levels of UV.. etc..
by the way I noticed there are UV led strips, anybody is using it for haze indoor?
MadMac
far beyond driven...
Haze Far Red & UVB
Haze Far Red & UVB
since 1 year now... far red works for sure... UVB looks like
CMH + LED looks to me the best combo for sativa...
but nothing can beat the SUN... !
M.
Haze Far Red & UVB
i'll use far red @ end of day and UV for more resin 1h @mid day
since 1 year now... far red works for sure... UVB looks like
i'am very happy with it ... especially for da haze ;-)
CMH + LED looks to me the best combo for sativa...
but nothing can beat the SUN... !
M.
The sun is definitely the top ...
Anyway, to cultivate the outdoor haze at 45 n, first of all you have to know the local climate (if I moved 50 km to the east I could not cultivate some sativa), furthermore from experience I can say that, if planted in May, it has more chances to finish than to a plant born in July ...
I recently saw a presentation that showed most UVB is useless, 280-290 nm is what you want to increase Cannabinoids, Flavonoids, Terpenes, and other secondary metabolites, 290-300 nm helps a little but needs 10X the exposure to get the same results, and I do agree that nothing can beat the sun. Unfortunately Peter's work was done with a client that will not share the exact results, in yields etc. But I believe the presenter Peter Barber knows what he is talking about, I saw him at the 2019 Rai Green Tech show (the largest HORTICULTURE/Agricultural show, I have attended the last 20 years and just the last few years they have allowed Cannabis presentations) I was quite impressed. He had done side by side trials with different UVB nm sources to determine what was best for Cannabis to increase secondary metabolites, Cannabinoids, Flavonoids, Terpenes. https://issuu.com/amsterdamrai/docs/peter_barber.pptx
What UVB nm exactly are you using on your plants?
-SamS
What UVB nm exactly are you using on your plants?
-SamS
i'll use far red @ end of day and UV for more resin 1h @mid day
since 1 year now... far red works for sure... UVB looks like
i'am very happy with it ... especially for da haze ;-)
CMH + LED looks to me the best combo for sativa...
but nothing can beat the SUN... !
M.
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Nirrity
Active member
Sam, does that mean you have changed your opinion about UV-B?
I now believe if you use the correct UVB and not what I used 20 years ago it may raise both Cannabinoid and terpene levels, the wrong UVB does not increase Cannabinoids or terpenes and in fact can reduce them. This was the first trial of the correct UVB vs other UVB's and was made after they discovered which UVB nm was the correct ones Cannabis needed to increase Cannabinoids and Terpenes. When I trialed the wrong UVB with the same clones as non treated clones I found zero increase (I have a GC-Fid and HPLC laboratory) as as I have said before they actually had less Cannabinoids and terpenes than the controls that got no UVB. The controls and the plants that got UVB were grown Identically, same clones, same soil, same container size, same fertilizers, same temperatures.
I always said I preferred sun grown Cannabis tested Organoleptically it seemed superior to the same clones that were grown under lights but gown exactly the same except for light source, same soil, same container size, same fertilizers, same clones, same temperatures.
I have not really changed I just think now if just the correct UVB is used there can be increases in Cannabinoids and Terpenes. No one knew this in the past, now we do and thats why I put it in my CANNABIS BIBLIOGRAPHY SORTED AND ALPHABETIZED BY SUBJECT, because I can see that if used correctly UVB of the correct sort can help, as far as I know there were no UVB 290-300 nm only lights used by Cannabis growers in the past, I had never seen them anyway, did you?
-SamS
I now believe if you use the correct UVB and not what I used 20 years ago it may raise both Cannabinoid and terpene levels, the wrong UVB does not increase Cannabinoids or terpenes and in fact can reduce them. This was the first trial of the correct UVB vs other UVB's and was made after they discovered which UVB nm was the correct ones Cannabis needed to increase Cannabinoids and Terpenes. When I trialed the wrong UVB with the same clones as non treated clones I found zero increase (I have a GC-Fid and HPLC laboratory) as as I have said before they actually had less Cannabinoids and terpenes than the controls that got no UVB. The controls and the plants that got UVB were grown Identically, same clones, same soil, same container size, same fertilizers, same temperatures.
I always said I preferred sun grown Cannabis tested Organoleptically it seemed superior to the same clones that were grown under lights but gown exactly the same except for light source, same soil, same container size, same fertilizers, same clones, same temperatures.
I have not really changed I just think now if just the correct UVB is used there can be increases in Cannabinoids and Terpenes. No one knew this in the past, now we do and thats why I put it in my CANNABIS BIBLIOGRAPHY SORTED AND ALPHABETIZED BY SUBJECT, because I can see that if used correctly UVB of the correct sort can help, as far as I know there were no UVB 290-300 nm only lights used by Cannabis growers in the past, I had never seen them anyway, did you?
-SamS
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