~PIFF~ A.K.A. Uptown Haze/Frankies/Church. Preserving a Heritage...

[ledo]

Baby poo, musky basement, sweaty gym shoes, mothball, rotten meat an odd hint of sweet - frankincense & Orthodox Church precursors, let your nose lead your ways & never look back, plants visually don’t have to look same but they all smell similar imo

There’s 2 & maybe 3 in there…. Peace

 

[bigherb]

Which one of these samples has the incense and catpiss aroma accompanied with the soaring legendary high ?

B4 you need to try , That African Haze will bring some positivity in ya life . They all had varying degrees of incense but I didn’t get catpiss . In my opinion all 3 had a soaring High

What is a legendary High ? Same as a great meal huh

The way big herb and everyone talks about piff is there is nothing that can compare.

Maybe this year some piff lines will beat the non piff lines in competition?

You’re in this thread to either learn or contribute , Brother don’t put words in my mouth. Piff is not even a term I use .

My brother to each there own

I love NYC Haze , In my opinion Frankies Haze is one of the best smokes in my life in my Experience .

This Frankies was a specific Type /clone that frequented my area of Brooklyn Late 90’s E/early 2000’s . NYC has been known to offer many Haze types Soo don’t think Piff/ Uptown Haze is one strain .


Remember this is almost 25 years ago I’ve First experienced these Hazes . I have no Haze experience of the 70’s . I’ve never smoked an imported sativa . But I’ve smoked maybe 100 oor soo Amsterdam Coffeeshop Haze offerings and several Haze varieties I’ve grown out in NY . The best Haze I’ve experienced Uptown is in another category compared to all else I’ve experienced


Since you been searching for 20 years I’m sure you got your idea of a Haze grail . Enter it or bring flowers to piffcon

Maybe this year the shit talking will stop .

Speak ya piece and move on . At this point there shouldn’t Be any back and fourth . Shit is real .

The 2ndAnnual Piffcon will represent the piff/ Haze hybrids of today and the past .

Soo put up or shut up , love it or leave it alone

More incense and less Nonsense

1luvbigherb

 

[g0dzilla]

B4 you need to try , That African Haze will bring some positivity in ya life . They all had varying degrees of incense but I didn’t get catpiss . In my opinion all 3 had a soaring High

What is a legendary High ? Same as a great meal huh


You’re in this thread to either learn or contribute , Brother don’t put words in my mouth. Piff is not even a term I use .

My brother to each there own

I love NYC Haze , In my opinion Frankies Haze is one of the best smokes in my life in my Experience .

This Frankies was a specific Type /clone that frequented my area of Brooklyn Late 90’s E/early 2000’s . NYC has been known to offer many Haze types Soo don’t think Piff/ Uptown Haze is one strain .


Remember this is almost 25 years ago I’ve First experienced these Hazes . I have no Haze experience of the 70’s . I’ve never smoked an imported sativa . But I’ve smoked maybe 100 oor soo Amsterdam Coffeeshop Haze offerings and several Haze varieties I’ve grown out in NY . The best Haze I’ve experienced Uptown is in another category compared to all else I’ve experienced


Since you been searching for 20 years I’m sure you got your idea of a Haze grail . Enter it or bring flowers to piffcon

Maybe this year the shit talking will stop .

Speak ya piece and move on . At this point there shouldn’t Be any back and fourth . Shit is real .

The 2ndAnnual Piffcon will represent the piff/ Haze hybrids of today and the past .

Soo put up or shut up , love it or leave it alone

More incense and less Nonsense

1luvbigherb

I haven't been searching for 20 years but I've been watching everyone talk it about it and the competition isn't about haze it's about one profile of haze that I've never smoked. An hint of terpinolene and you get memed . So there's no chance I would put in a entry . The piff hybrids I've grown weren't competition worthy and that's just why I'm here to see why everyone is still so deep into it.

Is frankies dead and gone? Sounds like something I'd be more interested in.

 

[goingrey]

"Today's a new day, got the Puday"

Pretty sure that's what Juelz says. Online lyrics say it's boo-lay. What the hell is a boo-lay?

 

[Nobody's Nursery]

N.Y. PURPLE HAZE DAZE OVER ; COPS KO THUGS WHO SOLD $560-PER-OZ. POT

Cops have busted a sophisticated and violent drug operation that provided high-flying Big Apple customers with the most expensive and potent marijuana in city history: a special brand called Purple…

nypost.com

 

[asher1er]

N.Y. PURPLE HAZE DAZE OVER ; COPS KO THUGS WHO SOLD $560-PER-OZ. POT

Cops have busted a sophisticated and violent drug operation that provided high-flying Big Apple customers with the most expensive and potent marijuana in city history: a special brand called Purple…

nypost.com

That bust made a big dent for the folks dealing with them. But people don’t realize that just like them there was tons of others doing the same shit

Anyways.. can’t we all just smoke some good haze and keep it moving?

For the record.. as different dates keep getting posted and the timing of people whoring out cuts and s1 seeds and causing some confusion.. I sent the black haze cut to @MOneYMiKe back in like 07-‘08

 

[@hempy]

In fact, when a $90,000 stash of Torres’ was stolen during the “burglary” of an associate’s apartment, he hired a New Jersey polygraph expert to give his crew lie-detector tests to see if they betrayed him and were involved in the heist, authorities say.

Nobody's thanks for posting that.

Fits in with what dj9 posted.

 

[zachrockbadenof]

Cops say the operation has been running for the past two years, bringing into the city an estimated 1,000 pounds of pot each week.

28 thousand oz's a week - at 560 buck an oz..... get the fuk outta here

 

[asher1er]

Cops say the operation has been running for the past two years, bringing into the city an estimated 1,000 pounds of pot each week.

28 thousand oz's a week - at 560 buck an oz..... get the fuk outta here

The run from down here to up there was going on way before that.. it’s kinda like when they bust a few tons of coke out in the ocean… they still missed the other 380tons going by. The numbers are pretty on point, they had no problem paying 4500 a lb down this way, to say some families bought houses just off of one harvest at times is an understatement.

 

[skunk numba one]

Cops say the operation has been running for the past two years, bringing into the city an estimated 1,000 pounds of pot each week.

28 thousand oz's a week - at 560 buck an oz..... get the fuk outta here

were they really growing 48,000 lbs of purple haze a year?

 

[flylowgethigh]

No argument, that’s a fact IMHO.
(Not implying you’re serious about the arguing part)
Even with all the info I glean here I know I’ll have to work hard to get to “properly grown” haze.

Knowledge/experience is kinda like
Facts/effort

I have to put in the time/effort to get the experience and the facts/knowledge gleaned here from generous members certainly helps with the learning curve.

Somewhere on this site it says “ learn from the best”. Damn straight, cause some folks here can grow some fine dope. I feel like this is dope college, and I eat it up.

My #1 tip is get a camera and show off your efforts.

 

[Airloom]

Somewhere on this site it says “ learn from the best”. Damn straight, cause some folks here can grow some fine dope. I feel like this is dope college, and I eat it up.

My #1 tip is get a camera and show off your efforts.

I personally got years of growing to do before I show off anything here!!!!!!!!!

Looking at @MadMac latest seed run gave me a boost. For me, no pictures, more plants lol

 

[flylowgethigh]

Cops say the operation has been running for the past two years, bringing into the city an estimated 1,000 pounds of pot each week.

28 thousand oz's a week - at 560 buck an oz..... get the fuk outta here

The article was from 2006. Prices were different then. Money was more valuable too 15 years ago. by a lot

I am gonna grow what I think is PCFs Piff pick, called “Harlem River Haze”. Hopefully find out for myself about this Piff haze.

 

[asher1er]

were they really growing 48,000 lbs of purple haze a year?

Florida was hortilux #1 consumer in the US for a good while… I’m sure it was not all “purple haze” either but yes that kind of weight was definitely possible back then. Some of the local dudes caught up in that case just finished there fed bid not too long ago not to mention the mothers and wives that got caught up and ran through the system as well.

 

[skunk numba one]

The article was from 2006. Prices were different then. Money was more valuable too 15 years ago. by a lot

i saw a video of NYC legal market right now eighths for $90 so higher prices now

 

[ledo]

Chasing nostalgia always a tough opponent to beat…. If I was hung up on Piff and had access to decent seeds…

I’d be crossing Colombian & Africans - you’ll get what you desire, all @ it too, and plenty of other gems…

But as many have said well; with the best they’ve gotta hit their phenotype potential and often people are miles away…. Hay..

I’ve personally always thought the 10% nonsense was a marketing ploy to account for shit growers; I think assuming 90% of people suck at growing was very generous

Too much nostalgia & dick measuring - we are in a genetics renaissance - capitalize on it before it goes poof and I charge y’all $50 a seed for being the cannabis squirrel

 

[ledo]

I haven't been searching for 20 years but I've been watching everyone talk it about it and the competition isn't about haze it's about one profile of haze that I've never smoked. An hint of terpinolene and you get memed . So there's no chance I would put in a entry . The piff hybrids I've grown weren't competition worthy and that's just why I'm here to see why everyone is still so deep into it.

Is frankies dead and gone? Sounds like something I'd be more interested in.

Cheers ! ^^

PS: how many even here from NY? Around in the 90’s - 2000’s…. Moving weight… now the downstate snobs start chiming in…. Lol, yup all that Piff was grown in the city & FL …. Lol

Peace

who’s still got the Sour from 2001, or maybe earlier… ?

the fellas in the hi rise condos but of course - nope, people always keep shit safe & sound out of sight, but not too many hours drive away…



PPS: every now & then, rare I catch up with old friends…. I mention this stuff, it’s like National inquirer to them 1980’s alien level inquirer shit…your knitting circle stories and stuff I hear about a areas cut or that…

In another thread some dude to me was describing straight formaldehyde bud, dipping and all claiming piff… I don’t wanna talk bad about Anyones misunderstanding or confusion or my misperception of such…

But people have to appreciate source & anecdotal stories for what their worth, then weigh other value from source accordingly..

Like - If you put up 50 fire pics of legit lineage like my boy i miss @JohnnyChicago smh and get marketed out…by noise

Johnny needs no fluffing that’s for sure… but everyone MUST appreciate & respect hard work

 

[ledo]

Where’s some love for my Spanish brother..?! Cat lover

Too long people spread all the gems we grow while a very select few grabbed attention largely due risk tolerance

The real genetic gods hide humbly in the shadows - poor, relatively

Bless them all - the ones whom give out seeds for love, & free

 

[Happy Times]

NO.

Cuban Black Haze is from FL. Flower was transported to NYC. Cuban Black Haze is "THE piff haze" - and a lot of what is out there that is representative of that particular type of haze - is 99.9% likely to be a bag seed found over the years in something they picked up off the blocks.

CBH - must have some relation to the A5 cut - no one is really sure how or in what way. It IS NOT Haze C related - therefore is not a variation of "Neville's Haze" - ie the seed line. It's something different. How there was some form of A5 related genes down in Florida at that time frame is a mystery, but it's the way it is.

@PiffCoastFarms - is 100% LEGIT - and anyone who says otherwise has an agenda. I've smoked nearly all of the early NYC Hazes as a result of getting to know Piff Coast - and I have smoked, Cuban Black Haze - grown by the same old Cuban man in Florida, the same way it has been grown since the 90's. I know EXACTLY what the block was getting. I've had it, thanks to @asher1er.

It has been a massive honor to get to these people. They have shared freely - both flower and information - out of love of the plant and love of haze - NO other agenda. These are GOOD people - doing GOOD things.

@PiffCoastFarms - brought "piff" type haze back into the spot light for a new generation of smokers and growers to enjoy and have access to. He has put in the work and put in the dedication to carve out a very unique brand and has done an amazing job - locking in the "piff" terpene profile and modernizing it and proliferating it in his seed lines. He deserves absolutely nothing but appreciation and respect for tackling something many others only talked about doing. He knows what he is doing. He makes damn fine selections. You can trust his seeds to produce exactly what he says they will.

This isn't a slam or a disregarding of other people who have worked with Cuban Black Haze or their own bag seed keepers found over the years - but to dedicate an ENTIRE BUSINESS MODEL - to plants that want to run over 100 days...LOL. Yeah. No one was doing that...

@Yo Sammy and @Karma G setting the A5 free for others to play with and experience - PROVES the "piff" type haze absolute comes from the Haze A equation. People looked for that particular type of expression in EVERYTHING - and it couldn't be found. Upon A5 getting circulated a bit and in the hands of some talented breeders - the "piff" expressions started surfacing and being rediscovered in NEW unique combinations.

Prior to the A5 getting set free - the only way you were going to get "piff" from a seed - was if the Cuban Black Haze was in some way involved.

JJNYC. Piff Coast. Asher1er. If you want to know about "piff" - sit at a table and listen to these men talk. LOL. It'll blow your mind. I know first hand.



dank.Frank

Do you say CBH has to be A5 related because of something in Phylos? Or something else? Just curious

I think I might be able to finally try some of that CBH a few months from now from a local dispensary. Been curious a loooong time!!

 

[Piff_cat]

I've tried countless samples of haze from the east coast over the last several years. Grown out hundreds and hundreds of "piff" type seeds and am currently running flower from A5 and a lot of the "piff" moms being discussed here. I've grown the "piff s1", Cuban Black Haze, JJs Nigerian, Bandaid Haze and a bunch of "piff" type clones as well. Not saying "piff" is my focus cuz it's not. I'm just into haze in general and looking for haze effects more then anything else. But I definitely have a baseline and working understanding of the "piff" profile that's being discussed here.

That said, IMO "Piff" is just a narrative. It's a marketing gimmick and that's about it.

"Piff" is a moving target that can be what ever these LARPers and seed hustlers need it to be in any given situation. Sometimes "piff" is a specific clone.....until you smoke the clone and find out it's weak....then they say piff is just a terp profile, and it's actually this other clone over here....once you smoke all the clones it goes back to legend stories and they just keep moving the target.

The real problem is that CBH from Florida is just the haze that survived until present day. It's not the legendary NYC haze of the past which was most likely Nevils Haze and disappeared from the market years ago. CBH was just one of the Haze C hybrids from that era that survived. So trying to prop up the CBH as the legendary NYC haze has been the hustle since Nuggets CBH showed up on the scene back in 2019.

The reality is that it's all basically Dutch Haze bag seed rebranded....and at the same time they gotta make is seem superior to Dutch Haze somehow.

If you zoom out from all the hype and legend stories and just base it on how things smoke and what mom's exist in real life.....the Dutch Haze scene and the West Coast are on a whole different level. The best cuts of CBH are a notch down from Nevils cuts or the various haze clones from the west coast. I've grown them side by side so I don't have to speculate or try to decode some bullshit from phylos to figure out which one smokes better.

This is why "Piff" needs to stay a moving target. Once people figure out there are better sources for dutch haze the "piff" hustle implodes. Now that the CBH clone is sold commercially the clock is ticking. People are starting to grow it out next to other hazes and it's not measuring up.

That's why the narrative is on the move again. Now it's a secret batch of haze A seeds that Nevil sold only in New York.....or maybe it's the African haze that was the "Real Piff"....

Either way the important thing to remember is that "piff" was the best haze on earth. You we're never cool enough to try it back in the day.....nothing you are currently growing is as good as "piff" and piffcoast is the guy who saved haze and has the best "piff" for sale in seed form. As long as you go along with that narrative then you will have no drama.

Question the narrative or ask for proof....then they say you're just a hater. Lol

In short..."Piff" = Cool Story Bro

hmm i think this seems to be a regional issue. sure the word piff can get played out just like the word haze can. imo in the strictest sense piffs definition would be the brown haze clone the great88.which is different from cuban black haze but in the same class. the definition of piff in lexicon has become more inclusive to include all of the nyc hazes. this can happen with any poplar item. going back to dipset had multiple hood dvds which showed bags of manhattan brown cuban black etc.jadas been rhyming about piff strips since late 90s. theres no strain or clone more recognizable to someone from the east coast then the piff clones.

and this is because we smoked it for a decade and it dissapeared after 2006 bust in large quantities. when you smell taste there is no mistaking it 10 years come rushing back all at once. we all paid 20 dollars for a .7 for years when there was much cheaper bud around. what piffcoast has and brought to the community is irreplaceable. its just like nevil saving the 69 haze males if he had not done that the entire scene would be different. i guess at the end of the day what you think doesnt matter at all. your so eager to talk shit you dont realize what your saying is total bullshit mixed with some jealousy i guess. nyc haze is the most discussed cannabis of all time every forum has multiple threads on the search. and its not just because it was popular its because its something special that wasnt out-crossed and preserved every trait that makes haze magic. but that does not mean its the only good haze or everyone needs to like it.. any f1 or early breeding some nevils males is special and important. all these lines hold cannabinoid pathways lost to almost all hybrids. and of course any popular word is going to get played out i had piff shaved into side of my fade back in 07 so its the opposite of a trend. its a revival.