~PIFF~ A.K.A. Uptown Haze/Frankies/Church. Preserving a Heritage...

[Llano_oasis]

The high from this Audubon purple(Audubon gold haze x harlem dreams) is what I would describe as a soaring high. Taking a Bong rip of this literally gives a feeling of a headrush as opposed to taking a big rip of a heavy indica that leaves you stretching your head for a minute. The haze will make you cough but it doesn't take your breath away. Very euphoric and long lasting. And if you go back for more your getting even higher, no ceiling. Not a before bedtime smoke for sure this chit gets the gears cranking.

Smell from the bud is heavy incense and leather with chocolate notes. I think the leather and chocolate could come across as liver to some. Taste is pleasant and not super pronounced as the smell although I haven't smoked this run in a joint or clean glass yet. Plus I just trimmed it, really just a sample. I'm going to leave it cure and she how she does in another 3 weeks or so. Very pleasurable smoke. The smell of the smoke is very heavy incense and smells a lot like the bud.

 

[goingrey]

The high from this Audubon purple(Audubon gold haze x harlem dreams) is what I would describe as a soaring high. Taking a Bong rip of this literally gives a feeling of a headrush as opposed to taking a big rip of a heavy indica that leaves you stretching your head for a minute. The haze will make you cough but it doesn't take your breath away. Very euphoric and long lasting. And if you go back for more your getting even higher, no ceiling. Not a before bedtime smoke for sure this chit gets the gears cranking.

Smell from the bud is heavy incense and leather with chocolate notes. I think the leather and chocolate could come across as liver to some. Taste is pleasant and not super pronounced as the smell although I haven't smoked this run in a joint or clean glass yet. Plus I just trimmed it, really just a sample. I'm going to leave it cure and she how she does in another 3 weeks or so. Very pleasurable smoke. The smell of the smoke is very heavy incense and smells a lot like the bud.

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Looks really good

 

[TheDarkStorm]

B4 you need to try , That African Haze will bring some positivity in ya life . They all had varying degrees of incense but I didn’t get catpiss . In my opinion all 3 had a soaring High

What is a legendary High ? Same as a great meal huh


You’re in this thread to either learn or contribute , Brother don’t put words in my mouth. Piff is not even a term I use .

My brother to each there own

I love NYC Haze , In my opinion Frankies Haze is one of the best smokes in my life in my Experience .

This Frankies was a specific Type /clone that frequented my area of Brooklyn Late 90’s E/early 2000’s . NYC has been known to offer many Haze types Soo don’t think Piff/ Uptown Haze is one strain .


Remember this is almost 25 years ago I’ve First experienced these Hazes . I have no Haze experience of the 70’s . I’ve never smoked an imported sativa . But I’ve smoked maybe 100 oor soo Amsterdam Coffeeshop Haze offerings and several Haze varieties I’ve grown out in NY . The best Haze I’ve experienced Uptown is in another category compared to all else I’ve experienced


Since you been searching for 20 years I’m sure you got your idea of a Haze grail . Enter it or bring flowers to piffcon

Maybe this year the shit talking will stop .

Speak ya piece and move on . At this point there shouldn’t Be any back and fourth . Shit is real .

The 2ndAnnual Piffcon will represent the piff/ Haze hybrids of today and the past .

Soo put up or shut up , love it or leave it alone

More incense and less Nonsense

1luvbigherb

Big herb....if possible can you describe what you get from the African haze a little more please.......I have my own southafican haze back here (different linage to what you guys have).....its all the dark dark incense side..most might find it unpleasant in taste as its very dark thick incense taste......almost like raw coffee, leather incense taste and scent....thanks
Edited....just to add some more to the description cuz ive just been messing about with it...also has some camphor and a petrol diesel like tone to it but very heavy leather and some spice to it...the whole combination comes out very dark and almost sickly incense.

 

[TheDarkStorm]

hmm i think this seems to be a regional issue. sure the word piff can get played out just like the word haze can. imo in the strictest sense piffs definition would be the brown haze clone the great88.which is different from cuban black haze but in the same class. the definition of piff in lexicon has become more inclusive to include all of the nyc hazes. this can happen with any poplar item. going back to dipset had multiple hood dvds which showed bags of manhattan brown cuban black etc.jadas been rhyming about piff strips since late 90s. theres no strain or clone more recognizable to someone from the east coast then the piff clones.

and this is because we smoked it for a decade and it dissapeared after 2006 bust in large quantities. when you smell taste there is no mistaking it 10 years come rushing back all at once. we all paid 20 dollars for a .7 for years when there was much cheaper bud around. what piffcoast has and brought to the community is irreplaceable. its just like nevil saving the 69 haze males if he had not done that the entire scene would be different. i guess at the end of the day what you think doesnt matter at all. your so eager to talk shit you dont realize what your saying is total bullshit mixed with some jealousy i guess. nyc haze is the most discussed cannabis of all time every forum has multiple threads on the search. and its not just because it was popular its because its something special that wasnt out-crossed and preserved every trait that makes haze magic. but that does not mean its the only good haze or everyone needs to like it.. any f1 or early breeding some nevils males is special and important. all these lines hold cannabinoid pathways lost to almost all hybrids. and of course any popular word is going to get played out i had piff shaved into side of my fade back in 07 so its the opposite of a trend. its a revival.

What have you seen as the great 88 clone piffcat....from what ive seen there seems to be two floating about....one seems to be a hybrid of the actual great 88 an is the one most commonly seen....the other is 100% a pure c5haze thats been over there since 88/89..that leans heavily towards hazeC and looks abit like nevils #21....was just wondering what you guys are referring to wen using the term great 88 and wich clone. ?

 

[Ur Humbl Nr8tor]

Been reading this thread and very interesting info and opinions. Think I may pick up a clone of the NYC Piff #3 since it’s available in town. I like the myrcene rich flavors and burnt aromas from the Ace Old Timers Haze. Old school Santa Cruz hazes at their finest!

The red/purple leaner from last year. More of that basement full of fermenting fruit stomped on by dirty feet.

This years green…

Soapy, body odor and cat piss which will likely cure to an incense finish.

These are lumbo leaning and I’d love to find some solid OTH males to take to that NYC clone. I’m eyeing a few of the PCF selections as well, though they are expensive. This is all outdoors above. 16+ weeks usually harvesting early to mid-January. I’d really prefer the long growing black Cuban clone over a shorter 9-10 week commercialized version, but better than nothing to sample what you all are talking about with the church.

 

[g0dzilla]

Been reading this thread and very interesting info and opinions. Think I may pick up a clone of the NYC Piff #3 since it’s available in town. I like the myrcene rich flavors and burnt aromas from the Ace Old Timers Haze. Old school Santa Cruz hazes at their finest!
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The red/purple leaner from last year. More of that basement full of fermenting fruit stomped on by dirty feet.

This years green…
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Soapy, body odor and cat piss which will likely cure to an incense finish.

These are lumbo leaning and I’d love to find some solid OTH males to take to that NYC clone. I’m eyeing a few of the PCF selections as well, though they are expensive. This is all outdoors above. 16+ weeks usually harvesting early to mid-January. I’d really prefer the long growing black Cuban clone over a shorter 9-10 week commercialized version, but better than nothing to sample what you all are talking about with the church.

It's far removed from the plants you posted In almost every aspect . Hopefully your not paying more then the pcg price of 15 bucks for either cbh or piff s2.

If you do pick it up def let us know how it goes. I made some hybrids with it but have no desire to pop them.

 

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Very interesting. This line may have been one of the piff, Frankies lines etc. that people are longing for now?

Corinto Purple, which I am now growing, does not sound terribly different to this. Powerful (reputed to be) with purple splotches and incense to the smell. Colombian had a notable incense smell to it when I smoked it during the 70's.

 

[Ur Humbl Nr8tor]

It's far removed from the plants you posted In almost every aspect . Hopefully your not paying more then the pcg price of 15 bucks for either cbh or piff s2.

If you do pick it up def let us know how it goes. I made some hybrids with it but have no desire to pop them.

I have no doubt In the differences. Very few that are even closely related to the commercial game are touching these long legged haze plants (Ace, TH, ICMag, OH, etc.). Except maybe Flower Power (lol) and a few others for personal smoke. I’m just curious to see what the cut hype is about. Dust em with some real old school pollen and stretch em back out to 13-14 week plants. Why not. $23 a cut, so reasonable in my book if they aren’t all disease ridden. Most of my time this season will be focused on popping beans of the usual suspects.

Thanks for your thoughts. What did you end up crossing to? You obviously didn’t think a whole lot of the cut(s). PM me if it’s a better forum for discussion.

 

[420empire]

Lore is lore... jezz just like the skunk sect. marketing that's it. Or one could perceive it is a catching the Dragon.

 

[g0dzilla]

I have no doubt In the differences. Very few that are even closely related to the commercial game are touching these long legged haze plants (Ace, TH, ICMag, OH, etc.). Except maybe Flower Power (lol) and a few others for personal smoke. I’m just curious to see what the cut hype is about. Dust em with some real old school pollen and stretch em back out to 13-14 week plants. Why not. $23 a cut, so reasonable in my book if they aren’t all disease ridden. Most of my time this season will be focused on popping beans of the usual suspects.

Thanks for your thoughts. What did you end up crossing to? You obviously didn’t think a whole lot of the cut(s). PM me if it’s a better forum for discussion.

I'm cool to discuss in the open .I grew a few pc3 hybrids, the cutting, piff s1 hybrids and piff s2 from seed. The one that stuck around the longest was a selection of mine from piff s2 which I thought smoked the best but it honestly still wasn't a keeper after all. I reversed a silver haze cutting (from piffcoast) and also reversed a 13 week thh leaning mindblower haze from Maha kala to it. In the end I only grow for myself so if the jar sits around , it's got to go. I just have no desire to get back into any of it. It's made me realize I like other haze hybrids much better and will just focus on those.

 

[Ur Humbl Nr8tor]

I'm cool to discuss in the open .I grew a few pc3 hybrids, the cutting, piff s1 hybrids and piff s2 from seed. The one that stuck around the longest was a selection of mine from piff s2 which I thought smoked the best but it honestly still wasn't a keeper after all. I reversed a silver haze cutting (from piffcoast) and also reversed a 13 week thh leaning mindblower haze from Maha kala to it. In the end I only grow for myself so if the jar sits around , it's got to go. I just have no desire to get back into any of it. It's made me realize I like other haze hybrids much better and will just focus on those.

Thanks for the deets. If I end up getting that cut, I’ll post up on it.

 

[grod31]

so0o how does one go about getting some piff genetics? Anyone able to point me in the right direction?
I live 30 miles from Harlem and remember smoking these buds back around 05-06. I would absolutely love to bring that back around my friend circle.

 

[William76]

Piff coast farms is ur best bet,they even have a strain with harlem in the name!,not used them myself but I would grow there gear,highly spoken of and known for their piff strains.hope u find what ur looking for,76

 

[Mudballs2.0]

I'd love to know where the 'Cuban Black Haze' originally came from as the first I ever heard about it was being offered for sale from Queijo(the crook)/hothouseflowers/Breeder's Choice around 2007.

Now Queijo the crook was famous for never sending seeds out and ripping other's genetics (OT1) and Tom Hill sent him a lot of his seed stock also.

The old, banned Breeder's Choice forum is archived in the Library forum, lots of good info on how 'dirty' the Haze legacy had become, even that far back.

Fetched...but kinda spooked to go read it but here goes
https://www.icmag.com/forums/breeders-choice.125/

 

[William76]

Piff coast farms is ur best bet,they even have a strain with harlem in the name!,not used them myself but I would grow there gear,highly spoken of and known for their piff strains.hope u

I should hav said,I'd grow it if I wanted the piff strain ur looking for,76

 

[grod31]

well after a bit of poking around I got in touch with piff coast farms and was informed piff con 2 was in 2 months. So i bought some tickets and will get my self a clone.

 

[IndicaFarmer]

...hello PCF, I'm nobody

I thought the same thing, I'll be your nobody, I'll even pay for shipping. Or should I say this is the negative?

 

[shishkaboy]

well after a bit of poking around I got in touch with piff coast farms and was informed piff con 2 was in 2 months. So i bought some tickets and will get my self a clone.

I’ll be there

 

[MOneYMiKe]

Stop bye the booth if u get time shiska

 

[Piff_cat]

What have you seen as the great 88 clone piffcat....from what ive seen there seems to be two floating about....one seems to be a hybrid of the actual great 88 an is the one most commonly seen....the other is 100% a pure c5haze thats been over there since 88/89..that leans heavily towards hazeC and looks abit like nevils #21....was just wondering what you guys are referring to wen using the term great 88 and wich clone. ?some

some people say that great 88 = brown haze but im not sure on that. brown haze and piff s1 and s2 are a5. supposedly the piff s1 is bagseed from brown haze. piff s1 bagseed selfed by piffcoast and selected pc3 cut(piff s2 breeder) which is heavy frankincense finishes in 10 weeks very high in ocimene. however i think great 88 may actually be c5 and brown haze is a5. the different brown hazes all oxidize into that gooey yellow brown sticky after cure. most think cuban black haze is also a5 but i believe it to actually be a silver haze as the serration less shiny leaves dark green structure of cbh reminds me of that. at f2 your right alot of piff haze will come out of C with the right f1 outcross. the profile between haze A and C has particular differences that could help decipher which male. the silver haze that is cbh could be either male imo.