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~PIFF~ A.K.A. Uptown Haze/Frankies/Church. Preserving a Heritage...

Nobody's Nursery

Well-known member
I've tried countless samples of haze from the east coast over the last several years. Grown out hundreds and hundreds of "piff" type seeds and am currently running flower from A5 and a lot of the "piff" moms being discussed here. I've grown the "piff s1", Cuban Black Haze, JJs Nigerian, Bandaid Haze and a bunch of "piff" type clones as well. Not saying "piff" is my focus cuz it's not. I'm just into haze in general and looking for haze effects more then anything else. But I definitely have a baseline and working understanding of the "piff" profile that's being discussed here.

That said, IMO "Piff" is just a narrative. It's a marketing gimmick and that's about it.

"Piff" is a moving target that can be what ever these LARPers and seed hustlers need it to be in any given situation. Sometimes "piff" is a specific clone.....until you smoke the clone and find out it's weak....then they say piff is just a terp profile, and it's actually this other clone over here....once you smoke all the clones it goes back to legend stories and they just keep moving the target.

The real problem is that CBH from Florida is just the haze that survived until present day. It's not the legendary NYC haze of the past which was most likely Nevils Haze and disappeared from the market years ago. CBH was just one of the Haze C hybrids from that era that survived. So trying to prop up the CBH as the legendary NYC haze has been the hustle since Nuggets CBH showed up on the scene back in 2019.

The reality is that it's all basically Dutch Haze bag seed rebranded....and at the same time they gotta make is seem superior to Dutch Haze somehow.

If you zoom out from all the hype and legend stories and just base it on how things smoke and what mom's exist in real life.....the Dutch Haze scene and the West Coast are on a whole different level. The best cuts of CBH are a notch down from Nevils cuts or the various haze clones from the west coast. I've grown them side by side so I don't have to speculate or try to decode some bullshit from phylos to figure out which one smokes better.

This is why "Piff" needs to stay a moving target. Once people figure out there are better sources for dutch haze the "piff" hustle implodes. Now that the CBH clone is sold commercially the clock is ticking. People are starting to grow it out next to other hazes and it's not measuring up.

That's why the narrative is on the move again. Now it's a secret batch of haze A seeds that Nevil sold only in New York.....or maybe it's the African haze that was the "Real Piff"....

Either way the important thing to remember is that "piff" was the best haze on earth. You we're never cool enough to try it back in the day.....nothing you are currently growing is as good as "piff" and piffcoast is the guy who saved haze and has the best "piff" for sale in seed form. As long as you go along with that narrative then you will have no drama.

Question the narrative or ask for proof....then they say you're just a hater. Lol

In short..."Piff" = Cool Story Bro
 

PiffCoastFarms

Active member
I've tried countless samples of haze from the east coast over the last several years. Grown out hundreds and hundreds of "piff" type seeds and am currently running flower from A5 and a lot of the "piff" moms being discussed here. I've grown the "piff s1", Cuban Black Haze, JJs Nigerian, Bandaid Haze and a bunch of "piff" type clones as well. Not saying "piff" is my focus cuz it's not. I'm just into haze in general and looking for haze effects more then anything else. But I definitely have a baseline and working understanding of the "piff" profile that's being discussed here.

That said, IMO "Piff" is just a narrative. It's a marketing gimmick and that's about it.

"Piff" is a moving target that can be what ever these LARPers and seed hustlers need it to be in any given situation. Sometimes "piff" is a specific clone.....until you smoke the clone and find out it's weak....then they say piff is just a terp profile, and it's actually this other clone over here....once you smoke all the clones it goes back to legend stories and they just keep moving the target.

The real problem is that CBH from Florida is just the haze that survived until present day. It's not the legendary NYC haze of the past which was most likely Nevils Haze and disappeared from the market years ago. CBH was just one of the Haze C hybrids from that era that survived. So trying to prop up the CBH as the legendary NYC haze has been the hustle since Nuggets CBH showed up on the scene back in 2019.

The reality is that it's all basically Dutch Haze bag seed rebranded....and at the same time they gotta make is seem superior to Dutch Haze somehow.

If you zoom out from all the hype and legend stories and just base it on how things smoke and what mom's exist in real life.....the Dutch Haze scene and the West Coast are on a whole different level. The best cuts of CBH are a notch down from Nevils cuts or the various haze clones from the west coast. I've grown them side by side so I don't have to speculate or try to decode some bullshit from phylos to figure out which one smokes better.

This is why "Piff" needs to stay a moving target. Once people figure out there are better sources for dutch haze the "piff" hustle implodes. Now that the CBH clone is sold commercially the clock is ticking. People are starting to grow it out next to other hazes and it's not measuring up.

That's why the narrative is on the move again. Now it's a secret batch of haze A seeds that Nevil sold only in New York.....or maybe it's the African haze that was the "Real Piff"....

Either way the important thing to remember is that "piff" was the best haze on earth. You we're never cool enough to try it back in the day.....nothing you are currently growing is as good as "piff" and piffcoast is the guy who saved haze and has the best "piff" for sale in seed form. As long as you go along with that narrative then you will have no drama.

Question the narrative or ask for proof....then they say you're just a hater. Lol

In short..."Piff" = Cool Story Bro

I’m sorry nobody but you ran cbh once and you and your friend posted photos of the same exact bud because that’s the only one on your whole plant that was photo worthy and even then it still looked like shit. Just stick to your seed hunting because you obviously really need that new seed vigor to get anything to come out worth a shit. When you knock cbh out of the park then you can come talking. Until then your opinion really doesn’t matter
 

Nobody's Nursery

Well-known member
I just can't grow haze and don't know shit and my opinion ain't shit either.....thats your response every time. 👍
When you start showing up with NL5 haze males that you hunted I'll be impressed.
When all your theories about piff can show up in clone form then I will take you seriously.
But if it's always gonna be a legend story and a moving target then it's like I said....
Cool Story Bro.
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PiffCoastFarms

Active member
I just can't grow haze and don't know shit and my opinion ain't shit either.....thats your response every time. 👍
When you start showing up with NL5 haze males that you hunted I'll be impressed.
When all your theories about piff can show up in clone form then I will take you seriously.
But if it's always gonna be a legend story and a moving target then it's like I said....
Cool Story Bro.
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The flower tells the tale, you wouldn’t even fathom how many eyes I’ve brightened at events when people come to the booth and smell piff for the first time in over 10 years. I’m making a difference, and you’re just a mad hater for whatever reason. Grow up man, maybe if you put as much effort into your grow as you do your memes you’d have something worthy to share instead of hating on someone else’s stuff. Merry Christmas brotha. Have a good one.
 

Piff_cat

Well-known member
Piff cat I'm trying to follow along here but I feel like your bouncing all over the place.

Piff competition that African haze and some inbred silk ( both have haze c ) won and have more of the good stuff then the legendary piff and the bagseed hybrids that were entered. Can we all agree that just because it's haze c descendant doesn't mean its "taken" over with terpinolene. I think that's clear here.

And then you think piff is silver pearl x a5 because of the leaf shape of a few pictures?

The way big herb and everyone talks about piff is there is nothing that can compare.

Maybe this year some piff lines will beat the non piff lines in competition?
There were 3 lines entered in piffcon last year which had an African derived names and the post is about whether those 3 lines are piff haze influence dominant or African. OF the 3 stone gurus silk s is nearly all haze as it is a line breed which started out using kks nigerian which uses haze and a female nigerian clone from early seed bank days. But all line breeds since the nigerian outcross have been haze line breeds

AS OPPOsed to the other entry called nigerian silk which is the opposite of silk s very nigerian type which is marked by very high camphene a crazy amount


And the 3rd entry was African haze 11 which uses malawi gold crossed to jj nigerian which also is haze x Nigeria


It's not about which is "better" piffcon competition is for specific type of haze just like pino noir wouldn't be entered in cabernet competition.
 

PiffCoastFarms

Active member
There were 3 lines entered in piffcon last year which had an African derived names and the post is about whether those 3 lines are piff haze influence dominant or African. OF the 3 stone gurus silk s is nearly all haze as it is a line breed which started out using kks nigerian which uses haze and a female nigerian clone from early seed bank days. But all line breeds since the nigerian outcross have been haze line breeds

AS OPPOsed to the other entry called nigerian silk which is the opposite of silk s very nigerian type which is marked by very high camphene a crazy amount


And the 3rd entry was African haze 11 which uses malawi gold crossed to jj nigerian which also is haze x Nigeria


It's not about which is "better" piffcon competition is for specific type of haze just like pino noir wouldn't be entered in cabernet competition.


Both stone guru and beyond Organics silks were very nice and piffy, beyond Organics is the one that ended up placing 3rd, and if I had to pick it was the better one of the two. But stone gurus was also still very wet and sent with a boveda in the jar like 3 days off the line. If he had a cure time, I bet his would have placed too! Shoutout Bronson as well he always crushes with the African haze 🙏
 

JohnnyChicago

Well-known member
With your catalog of pics they speak for themselves, this Uptown Haze / Cuban black Haze is not ya coffee shop or dispensary haze . It’s something , something special it’s something different

Don’t let trolls deter you from posting your truth .

NLHzA is getting sold in Coffeeshops, freely accessible to everybody, since 1995.
That's soon 28 years. Real NLHzA clone created and selected by Nevil Schoenmakers, in Holland.
Verfied Haze genetics. Verified story.

And this is an Oregon dispensary Haze....
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zachrockbadenof

Well-known member
Veteran
The flower tells the tale, you wouldn’t even fathom how many eyes I’ve brightened at events when people come to the booth and smell piff for the first time in over 10 years. I’m making a difference, and you’re just a mad hater for whatever reason. Grow up man, maybe if you put as much effort into your grow as you do your memes you’d have something worthy to share instead of hating on someone else’s stuff. Merry Christmas brotha. Have a good one.
u should add a link to your replies with your website.... u do sell seeds don't ya???
 

willydread

Dread & Alive
Veteran
Nev.Hz has a very dominant A5 pheno, the foliar trait, the structure of the plant, the "relatively fast" maturation, the abundant production make it a potentially commercial plant...
When I came across this pheno many years ago I was disgusted by the taste of church incense, but the high I called "waves of electricity".
I made a cross with zamaldelica, but I can't find the photos of the mother anymore...
Merry Christmas to all
 

Crazy Chester

Well-known member
I just can't grow haze and don't know shit and my opinion ain't shit either.....thats your response every time. 👍
When you start showing up with NL5 haze males that you hunted I'll be impressed.
When all your theories about piff can show up in clone form then I will take you seriously.
But if it's always gonna be a legend story and a moving target then it's like I said....
Cool Story Bro.
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Clever - but, there's no way Cuban Black Haze is Blue Dream, lol!
 

PiffCoastFarms

Active member
Clever - but, there's no way Cuban Black Haze is Blue Dream, lol!

I think he’s making a joke in regards to my Harlem dreams cross. (Blue Dream x CBH) 🙄 trust me I never expected the cross to turn out to anything of significance either but man this one pheno in there is just so good! Blue dream always kinda put a church smell in the air though even thought the flower itself is mostly sweet, so I’m not surprised it meshed well
 

CannaT

starin' at the world through my rearview
What year is this from? I remember getting something called crystal skunk around 92 or so.
Its citral skunk not crystal.
there is Jack herer.
So I think in around 96-98.
No Super silver haze menu.
:)
 

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