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im curious do all you organic people eat organic vegetables or is it only your grass...i know most of the food out here isnt organic grown...just wondering..
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ok i get you will eat chemically grown food just not smoke chemically grown grass
i think the word im looking for is hypocrite
i think the word im looking for is hypocrite
The Slickster said:
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IwannagethighOG
Bottom line is, Organic wins. It's just better, period.
Not to say chemweed sucks because it can get you just as stoned and taste just as good. It's almost like comparing a WarmMH to HPS.
Organic's just healthier and natrual, it's a well known fact.
I'm just cheap and I use what works for now. I am using a bail of Sunshine soil mix #4 though and thats some good soilmix.
I do make my own compost though. We've got some mean worms in that sucker too. I should try making some tea out of it.
Ashes against the grain.
Not to say chemweed sucks because it can get you just as stoned and taste just as good. It's almost like comparing a WarmMH to HPS.
Organic's just healthier and natrual, it's a well known fact.
I'm just cheap and I use what works for now. I am using a bail of Sunshine soil mix #4 though and thats some good soilmix.
I do make my own compost though. We've got some mean worms in that sucker too. I should try making some tea out of it.
Ashes against the grain.
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i have never taken chemistry...but it makes complete sense if you starve a plant and have it consume nothing but water for the last part of its life...
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I read Motaco's post and he pretty much said what I said.Well almost anyway he got a little bit more in depth.
eally all you need is good skills, good soil, good genetics, good lighting and good water.
How do think think cannabis survied out in the wild all these years.
As long as you flush your crop you probably could'nt tell the difference.
Say you took some quality genetics and grew them out chemical vs some bagseed grown organically the clear winner would probably be the better genetic. Unless the bagseed happend to be C99 or something really nice. There's so many factors involved.
Back in the 70's my dad grew a 14 footer in a greenhouse and he used nothing but chicken shit and he got 6Ibs. Really piney. He said the seed came from a bag of hawain stuff. So there's many factors involved with yeild though. The better the fertilzer the better the yield, faster growth but quality is more determined by the genetics and the growers skills I think. I'll take the chem OG Kush over some organic mids anyday.
eally all you need is good skills, good soil, good genetics, good lighting and good water.
How do think think cannabis survied out in the wild all these years.
As long as you flush your crop you probably could'nt tell the difference.
Say you took some quality genetics and grew them out chemical vs some bagseed grown organically the clear winner would probably be the better genetic. Unless the bagseed happend to be C99 or something really nice. There's so many factors involved.
Back in the 70's my dad grew a 14 footer in a greenhouse and he used nothing but chicken shit and he got 6Ibs. Really piney. He said the seed came from a bag of hawain stuff. So there's many factors involved with yeild though. The better the fertilzer the better the yield, faster growth but quality is more determined by the genetics and the growers skills I think. I'll take the chem OG Kush over some organic mids anyday.
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yes i grow my own vegetable organically of course ,, admittadly some things i eat are not organic ,, its a shame i know , but then i live in a world that is about making money ... one thing i like about the organic nutrients is they are also way cheaper t han chemicals ..
id rather support nature than folks making money from chemicals and selling them to u guys ...
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Come on Wally, you know your guilty of going to Wendys and Mcdonolds once inwhile. Me personnally once inwhile too, like every 6 months. I actually prefer to eat my own fresh cut fries and buy my burgers to charbroil. All the rest the stuff comes from my garden which was filled in with organic mulch. I really like those hydroponic grown tomatoes. But vine ripend organics always taste the best. Not a big fan of the hothouse ones though. Oh and around these parts organically grown stuff is actually more expensive.
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yep none of us are totally organic , but i think it pays to be where u can , we all live in the same world .... lets do as much as we can to take care of it and ourselves ...
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Ya I know new deal. Dam catfood is costing 40cents can and dogfood is outrageously overpriced.
this is pointless... This is my first grow and is only a hobby. My father had a compost pile he used in his garden and would never use chemicals.. this was in the 60's before it was cool. I have no idea what i am doing chemically or organically. I chose organics because its more fun. I will hopefully produce more in my first grow then I will use in a year. This wont stop me from taking clones and starting a second crop. Its a fun hobby and I love waking up in the morning and going to check my plants. Organics seem strangely easier for me.. Also i like the idea of dumping my soil in my garden for next years tomatoes or reconstituting it and re using it. Its a fun experiment for me. I dont even smoke that much.. lol
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truth be known staying the same is easier than change...i learned with gh...therefore i grow with it...peace to all.....off to mcdonalds
one other thing... my first 3 plants... i mistakenly used MG perlite with my organic soil. Even though the soil was used in only 1 qt pots and i wont harvest for almost 3 months my organic grow is now tainted.. the other plants used normal perlite I just didnt realize the MG perlite was treated. after 3 transplants and 3 months the small ammount of chemicals in the perlite will have leached away I would hope, my grow is now not considered organic.. It was unintentional but oh well....
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truth be known organics is kind of like vegetarians...some truly are...some just think they are...peace
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this is what wikapedia says
Organic food is food produced according to organic standards, which means crops grown without the use of conventional pesticides, as well as artificial fertilizers or sewage sludge, animals reared without the routine use of antibiotics and without the use of growth hormones and food processed without ionizing radiation and without the use of a wide range of food additives. It is produced on all levels without the use of genetically modified organisms.[1] Historically, these farms have been small family-run farms.[2]
Once only available in small stores or farmers' markets, organic foods are becoming much more widely available. Organic food sales within the US have enjoyed 17 to 20 percent growth for the past few years[3] while sales of conventional food - while still larger in size - have grown at only about 2 to 3 percent a year. This large growth is predicted to continue, and many companies are jumping into the market.[4]
The difference between organically grown food and conventionally grown food is sometimes hard to discern, and leads some to jump to the conclusion that buying organic food is simply a fad. But a parallel can be drawn between food and electricity to make things more clear: electricity from a wind farm isn't different from electricity from a coal power plant, and burning coal is cheaper, so why not just keep burning coal? Well, coal power plants emit mercury (which ends up in the fish people eat) as well as greenhouse gases like carbon dioxide. Similarly, the greatest benefits from growing organically may not be in the food itself, but rather in lack of use of pesticides. Pesticides have been found to increase risks of neurological problems of farmers who use them, as well as a increase the risk of farmers children with birth defects (see benefits for producers). In addition there is evidence of benefits to the environment as well including that organic farms are more sustainable among many other benefits (see benefits).These claims, however, are subject to dispute and are not settled among scientists. One vocal critic in particular, Anthony Trewavas, has written detailed critiques of organic agriculture.[5][6]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_food
The author Thomas DeGregori argues that at the heart of the organic food movement are feelings of anti-technology and anti-modern science[34] and points out that it is modern science, after all, that has increased the life expectancy of many people and helps to feed the world's growing population.
Organic food is food produced according to organic standards, which means crops grown without the use of conventional pesticides, as well as artificial fertilizers or sewage sludge, animals reared without the routine use of antibiotics and without the use of growth hormones and food processed without ionizing radiation and without the use of a wide range of food additives. It is produced on all levels without the use of genetically modified organisms.[1] Historically, these farms have been small family-run farms.[2]
Once only available in small stores or farmers' markets, organic foods are becoming much more widely available. Organic food sales within the US have enjoyed 17 to 20 percent growth for the past few years[3] while sales of conventional food - while still larger in size - have grown at only about 2 to 3 percent a year. This large growth is predicted to continue, and many companies are jumping into the market.[4]
The difference between organically grown food and conventionally grown food is sometimes hard to discern, and leads some to jump to the conclusion that buying organic food is simply a fad. But a parallel can be drawn between food and electricity to make things more clear: electricity from a wind farm isn't different from electricity from a coal power plant, and burning coal is cheaper, so why not just keep burning coal? Well, coal power plants emit mercury (which ends up in the fish people eat) as well as greenhouse gases like carbon dioxide. Similarly, the greatest benefits from growing organically may not be in the food itself, but rather in lack of use of pesticides. Pesticides have been found to increase risks of neurological problems of farmers who use them, as well as a increase the risk of farmers children with birth defects (see benefits for producers). In addition there is evidence of benefits to the environment as well including that organic farms are more sustainable among many other benefits (see benefits).These claims, however, are subject to dispute and are not settled among scientists. One vocal critic in particular, Anthony Trewavas, has written detailed critiques of organic agriculture.[5][6]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_food
The author Thomas DeGregori argues that at the heart of the organic food movement are feelings of anti-technology and anti-modern science[34] and points out that it is modern science, after all, that has increased the life expectancy of many people and helps to feed the world's growing population.
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3BM
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Great discussion all. Its not always about coming to a firm answer, so much as the path we take to get there. Openinig up the lines of communication is a sure route to deeper understanding. That being said, here's my take on the issue:
Chemical fertilizers are a product of modern chemistry. Chemical reagents are produced by extraction in laboratory conditions. Purity levels are strictly adhered to, and repeatable methodology is the halmark of good science. Chemists work with naturally occurring compounds breaking them down into their constituent elements and refining them to meet purity standards. Evaporation, recombination, chemical extraction, and other methods all are used to seperate and isolate compounds for chemical use. Once these compounds are seperated and purified they are sold as commodities. Chemical companies purchase these commodities and put them into an assembly line where chemists recombine isolated compounds into useful products. Everying from plastics to cancer drugs are manufactured in this way. So too are chemical fertilizers. We start with natural compounds, then break them down. We seperate, isolate, and purify. Then we reassemble these isolated compounds into structures to suite our specific needs. This process of breaking down and reassembling is really at the heart of the issue. Natural compounds begin as an extension of natural systems. Natural systems contain a level of complexity beyond the consideration of most manufacturing processes. Taking things out of context, strips them of meaning. Keeping substances in context is at the heart of organic gardening. Animals eat plants and excrete manure which in turn nourishes the plants to grow again. This cycle has perpetuated biodiversity on this planet for millions of years. Its only in the last several decades that agriculture has deviated from these principles. Keeping compounds in the context of natural systems, like the decay cycle, is integral to infusing agriculture with life. Organic is really just biointensive, its about keeping compounds in their natural context. Employing substances in their naturally occurring state deepens their contributions to our agriculture.
Every gardener has their own experience and thus the burden of making their own decisions. I urge everyone to understand their environment as deeply as possible, but the end result of that search is up to them. The productivity of a garden is an extension of the gardener, and good gardeners use chemicals all over the world. I hope that through cultural change we can encourage more sustainable practices, and return to ancient techniques which guided the development of civilizations. Nourish your plants with love, and use whatever compounds your heart desires.
3BM
Chemical fertilizers are a product of modern chemistry. Chemical reagents are produced by extraction in laboratory conditions. Purity levels are strictly adhered to, and repeatable methodology is the halmark of good science. Chemists work with naturally occurring compounds breaking them down into their constituent elements and refining them to meet purity standards. Evaporation, recombination, chemical extraction, and other methods all are used to seperate and isolate compounds for chemical use. Once these compounds are seperated and purified they are sold as commodities. Chemical companies purchase these commodities and put them into an assembly line where chemists recombine isolated compounds into useful products. Everying from plastics to cancer drugs are manufactured in this way. So too are chemical fertilizers. We start with natural compounds, then break them down. We seperate, isolate, and purify. Then we reassemble these isolated compounds into structures to suite our specific needs. This process of breaking down and reassembling is really at the heart of the issue. Natural compounds begin as an extension of natural systems. Natural systems contain a level of complexity beyond the consideration of most manufacturing processes. Taking things out of context, strips them of meaning. Keeping substances in context is at the heart of organic gardening. Animals eat plants and excrete manure which in turn nourishes the plants to grow again. This cycle has perpetuated biodiversity on this planet for millions of years. Its only in the last several decades that agriculture has deviated from these principles. Keeping compounds in the context of natural systems, like the decay cycle, is integral to infusing agriculture with life. Organic is really just biointensive, its about keeping compounds in their natural context. Employing substances in their naturally occurring state deepens their contributions to our agriculture.
Every gardener has their own experience and thus the burden of making their own decisions. I urge everyone to understand their environment as deeply as possible, but the end result of that search is up to them. The productivity of a garden is an extension of the gardener, and good gardeners use chemicals all over the world. I hope that through cultural change we can encourage more sustainable practices, and return to ancient techniques which guided the development of civilizations. Nourish your plants with love, and use whatever compounds your heart desires.
3BM
what would a true vegetarian do, if you gave him a bbq'd chicken and told him if he doesn't eat it you're gonna kill another one?
organic is lots of hype imo
you can buy those organic certificates, you know?
as GG once said in regards to organic vs. salts, "pick your devil and fight for its cause"
i think the trick is to mix both, take the best of both worlds, be it salt based nutes or organic
btw., superthrive is not just "chemical", but synthetic
peace,
mace
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Eventually, as techniques develop and mature, we envision the perfect indoor garden will be a fusion of hydroponics and organics. In the future, the line between the two methods will blur, ultimately enhancing and enriching the sustainable growth ethic. Hydroponics was originally designated as a method of growing with water, no soil. At GreenCoast, we believe hydroponics is a dynamic field -- one that grants all of us a better understanding of what plants need to thrive. Naturally, improved techniques will follow this pursuit. It can be dizzying. Just breath in and then out. The more informed you are, the better the hydroponics field will develop. So, breath in and then out. By the way, we're beginning to realize what that mantra we were looking for, but couldn't quite vocalize is -- it's starting to sound like "GreenCoast."
http://www.gchydro.com/art_Mantra.asp
http://www.gchydro.com/art_Mantra.asp
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