organic vs chemweed

[Guest]

I have never been politically correct and I make fun of myself constantly. I am not white so I don't have that guilt that you find in california. From my experiences stereotypes always have a little truth in them. Which is why they persist.

He told a funny story, and believe it or not, I had never heard any stereotypes about indoor growers. I don't think they are the kind of people talked about much.

Political correctness is compassion without wisdom. You have to have both in balance to make sense.

The world is big enough for people to find different things funny without having to become angry because we all don't have the same point of view.

I am short, part of the way we make the day go by at work is to make fun of each other. I laugh hysterically when the guys make fun of me. If we can't laugh at ourselves, who can we laugh at? (Pale White Men with small penises are off the table?)

I am starting a support group called "Adult Children of Parents". Come, join us and express yourself in a non offensive way.

 

[Guest]

 

[motaco]

unicorn how did you make those?

my friends mom has something similiar but its just on tiles for coasters.


my .02 on the whole debate.

One thing I haven't seen anyone say is whether your grow organic or chem your plants are still taking up chemicals. When you use organics a nutrient medium breaks down from bacteria and goes through a chemical process rendering the nutes accesible to the plants. when you feed chem nutes its already in the immediately useful form. If you were to make a solution of what the organics break down into it would be a chemical. In the end they are serving the same purpose.

If you want to argue about the process they are made and hazardous factory waste, that is a totally fine argument, but it has NOTHING to do with the quality of finished marijuana.

The fact of the matter is how your bud smokes has to do with how well it was flushed. and flushing doesn't mean drowning it in water for a week. Flushing is when you let the plants eat all of the nutes it has so the plant starts eating itself. Fanleaves should be dead and fallen off of your plant a week before harvest. on harvest day some of the weed leaves from buds itself should be yellowed from starvation.

if you don't do this your herb will sizzle and pop with unmetabolized fertilizer salts. be it chem or organic doesn't make a difference.

But once the nutes are out of the plants, they are out of the plants. simple as that.

I really don't believe you can tell the difference between between stones and smells and potency. Everyone I know who clings to that does one or the other. But every experienced grower I know who has used high class hydroponic nutes and flushed correctly could not tell the difference between the other clone done organically.

Radioactive bud? microwaves and radioactivity? sounds like more of the same old hippy nonsense to me. Like splicing plant and animal DNA.

but with all that being said. I'm an organic grower. and I thought wallys joke was funny.

 

[minds_I]

Hello all,

Did not any one like the Chernobyl glow reference? I thought it was phvnny.

Jeez maybe it is and you just too stoned to know it.


Buahahahahahaha



I agree with motaco a bout the sizzle and pop you get from unflushed weed. I also agree with the need to starve the plant into consuming itself prior to harvest.

Fortunately I grow my own and do not have to settle for nasty bud weather grown organically or chemically. But I know that my buds are better then what I could around here. I grow organically.

minds_I

 

[Guest]

Actually, microwaving is highly radioactive and harmful. Been proven decades ago and is a well known fact among scientists. Manufacturer's whores "doctors", resellers, ads and idiot consumers will tell you otherwise, off course... But you can go on with your "safe" inventions - hamburgers, microwaves and cocacola. lol And sure "make no kids" line is among the stupiest I've ever seen. It's like saying 5=1 Redicilous. I'll give you another one in the same tune, you gotta love it: driving 1mile per day pollutes just as driving 10miles per day does = so why bother? How convinient.... Some people are so full of bullshit.

 

[Ganico]

unicorn how did you make those?

The fact of the matter is how your bud smokes has to do with how well it was flushed.


if you don't do this your herb will sizzle and pop with unmetabolized fertilizer salts. be it chem or organic doesn't make a difference.

Actually you dont even have to flush with organics. And no, true organic won't sizzle and pop if you don't flush it. Try it and see.

 

[Guest]

its an album cover

unicorn how did you make those?

my friends mom has something similiar but its just on tiles for coasters.


my .02 on the whole debate.

One thing I haven't seen anyone say is whether your grow organic or chem your plants are still taking up chemicals. When you use organics a nutrient medium breaks down from bacteria and goes through a chemical process rendering the nutes accesible to the plants. when you feed chem nutes its already in the immediately useful form. If you were to make a solution of what the organics break down into it would be a chemical. In the end they are serving the same purpose.

If you want to argue about the process they are made and hazardous factory waste, that is a totally fine argument, but it has NOTHING to do with the quality of finished marijuana.

The fact of the matter is how your bud smokes has to do with how well it was flushed. and flushing doesn't mean drowning it in water for a week. Flushing is when you let the plants eat all of the nutes it has so the plant starts eating itself. Fanleaves should be dead and fallen off of your plant a week before harvest. on harvest day some of the weed leaves from buds itself should be yellowed from starvation.

if you don't do this your herb will sizzle and pop with unmetabolized fertilizer salts. be it chem or organic doesn't make a difference.

But once the nutes are out of the plants, they are out of the plants. simple as that.

I really don't believe you can tell the difference between between stones and smells and potency. Everyone I know who clings to that does one or the other. But every experienced grower I know who has used high class hydroponic nutes and flushed correctly could not tell the difference between the other clone done organically.

Radioactive bud? microwaves and radioactivity? sounds like more of the same old hippy nonsense to me. Like splicing plant and animal DNA.

but with all that being said. I'm an organic grower. and I thought wallys joke was funny.

 

[motaco]

ganico I have tried it to see and it does sizzle and pop.


unicorn. I thought that was table my mistake. my friends mom does some kinda thing where she can put images onto flat surfaces with sticky film of some kind.


microwaves highly radioactive huh? yeah you keep thinking that WE'RE the ones that choose the info we believe. thats not even the same type of energy. this isn't new info, your the one being fed nonsense and believing it not the rest of us.


Microwaves are very short waves of electromagnetic energy that travel at the speed of light (186,282 miles per second). Microwaves used in microwave ovens are in the same family of frequencies as the signals used in radio and television broadcasting.

The theory of electromagnetic energy can be illustrated by what happens when a pebble is tossed into a quiet pond. The pebble striking the still surface causes the water to move up and down in the form of ripples, or waves, that radiate in ever-widening circles over the surface of the pond. These waves, which move up and down at right angles to the direction they are traveling, are called transverse waves. Microwaves are examples of transverse waves.

The disturbance resulting from the pebble landing in the water is transmitted through the water in the form of ripples or waves. The water serves merely as a medium through which the disturbance travels. In this sense, these ripples are more like sound waves, which also need a medium to travel through, normally using the molecules that exist in the air or water. That is why, for example, thundering rocket engines that would deafen the ears under normal circumstances, would be inaudible in the quiet vacuum of space.

On the other hand, electromagnetic forms of energy, such as microwaves, radar waves, radio and TV waves, travel millions of miles through the emptiness of space without the need of any material medium through which to travel. This is because, simply put, electromagnetic waves are, in themselves, stored energy in motion.

A Phenomenal Force
Electromagnetic radiation begins with a phenomenon that occurs when electric current flows through a conductor, such as a copper wire. The motion of the electrons through the wire produces a field of energy that surrounds the wire and floats just off its surface. This floating zone or cloud of energy is actually made up of two different fields of energy, one electric and one magnetic. The electric and magnetic waves that combine to form an electromagnetic wave travel at right angles to each other and to the direction of motion. If the current flowing through the wire is made to oscillate at a very rapid rate, the floating electromagnetic field will break free and be launched into space. Then, at the speed of light, the energy will radiate outward in a pulsating pattern, much like the waves in the pond. It is theorized that these waves are made up of tiny packets of radiant energy called photons. Streams of photons, each carrying energy and momentum, travel in waves like an undulating string of cars on a speeding roller coaster.


Is Microwave Radiation the Same as Radioactive Radiation?



No. There is a very important difference. As illustrated by the frequency spectrum on the right, microwaves used in microwave ovens, similar to microwaves used in radar equipment, and telephone, television and radio communication, are in the non-ionizing range of electromagnetic radiation. Non-ionizing radiation is very different from Ionizing radiation . Ionizing radiation is extraordinarily high in frequency (millions of trillions of cycles per second). It is, therefore, extremely powerful and penetrating. Even at low levels, ionizing radiation can damage the cells of living tissue. In fact, these dangerous rays, have enough energy and intensity to actually change (ionize) the molecular structure of matter. In sufficient doses, ionizing radiation can even cause genetic mutations. As shown on the frequency spectrum, the ionizing range of frequencies includes X-rays, gamma rays, and cosmic rays. Ionizing radiation is the sort of radiation we associate with radioactive substances like uranium, radium, and the fall-out from atomic and thermonuclear explosions.
Non-ionizing radiation is very different. Because of the lower frequencies and reduced energy, it does not have the same damaging and cumulative properties as ionizing radiation. Microwave radiation (at 2450 MHz) is non-ionizing, and in sufficient intensity will simply cause the molecules in matter to vibrate, thereby causing friction, which produces the heat that cooks the food.

 

[guest123]

just because u grow indoors , does not necessarily mean u have grown using chemicals ... mmm i considering the rest of my reply ,, maybe another bong or two and ill have the solution ,, ...

 

[guest123]

I think Wally's point was to make a funny joke. But in order to get the joke, you would have to have a sense of humor...

yay ... someone else here is a happy stoner tooo , not all pent up ,, wow maybe those chemical are doing something ,, ....

 

[BISCUIT]

This thread is filled with elitism but not to much science.

 

[IwannagethighOG]

Really all you need is good skills, good soil, good genetics, good lighting and good water.
How do think think cannabis survied out in the wild all these years.
As long as you flush your crop you probably could'nt tell the difference.
Say you took some quality genetics and grew them out chemical vs some bagseed grown organically the clear winner would probably be the better genetic. Unless the bagseed happend to be C99 or something really nice. There's so many factors involved.
Back in the 70's my dad grew a 14 footer in a greenhouse and he used nothing but chicken shit and he got 6Ibs. Really piney. He said the seed came from a bag of hawain stuff. So there's many factors involved with yeild though. The better the fertilzer the better the yield, faster growth but quality is more determined by the genetics and the growers skills I think. I'll take the chem OG Kush over some organic mids anyday.

 

[BISCUIT]

Organic fertilizers are doing way more harm to the earth them synthetic fertilizers.....but thats because humans are stupid.

 

[guest123]

wow , thats a bold statement biscuit ,, care to back it up with something??

 

[IwannagethighOG]

I use a rubber tub so there is no runnoff all my water evaps and dries up into the pot by the next watering. I water every other day and sometimes once a day so there is never any still sitting water for a long period of time. I don't flood them. There are so many microb's in my soil so I would say it's a combo of chem/organic. I give them a shot of chem fert just for an extra boost once a week not enough to kill all the mircrobs in the soil. My soil is practically a living terrirum.

Biscuit, I highly dought that.
Hey Wally, what did you think about what I had to say above this post?

 

[BISCUIT]

wow , thats a bold statement biscuit ,, care to back it up with something??

Your from Australia don't you know about the crown of thorns starfish and why it thrives and how devastating it could be to the ecosystem.....nutrient runoff (primarily organic) is killing the coral reefs


>>>>When fertilizer runs off the land, it brings more nutrients into the water. Plants that thrive on nitrogen in the form of nitrates (contain the NO3- ion) especially benefit. The fertilizer contains phosphorous in the form of phosphates (contain the PO3- ion, which is also important in increasing growth in certain plants). This eutrophication (increased nutrients) can reduce biological diversity. As a result, plants that grow well with high levels of nitrogen, such as benthic (bottom dwelling) algae, grow at the expense of other organisms. This can lead to algal blooms.

Sometimes algal blooms are important in the nitrogen and carbon cycles. For example, an algal bloom occurs each year off the west coast of India for two months beginning near the end of February. However, when an algal bloom occurs near a coral reef, it may smother parts of the coral reef. The algae block the sunlight required by the zooxanthellae in the coral to complete photosynthesis. This has been a problem in the Caribbean and the Florida Keys. In addition to agricultural nutrient runoff, municipal wastes, septic tank seepage, and other sewage—all high in nitrogen—find their way into the sea.

This problem has struck the coral reefs off Australia and Thailand too. Apparently excess nutrients resulted in the growth of plants favored by the crown of thorns starfish. The starfish soon multiplied there. The presence of a large number of them can destroy a reef in a relatively short time span.

 

[Guest]

yes true knowledge is knowing we have none

 

[Guest]

ya man totally i will save the chemicals for my hash

yay ... someone else here is a happy stoner tooo , not all pent up ,, wow maybe those chemical are doing something ,, ....

 

[porgy tirebiter]

Dankbudz wuz right...why would anyone wanna own a Ford?

 

[guest123]

Your from Australia don't you know about the crown of thorns starfish and why it thrives and how devastating it could be to the ecosystem.....nutrient runoff (primarily organic) is killing the coral reefs


>>>>When fertilizer runs off the land, it brings more nutrients into the water. Plants that thrive on nitrogen in the form of nitrates (contain the NO3- ion) especially benefit. The fertilizer contains phosphorous in the form of phosphates (contain the PO3- ion, which is also important in increasing growth in certain plants). This eutrophication (increased nutrients) can reduce biological diversity. As a result, plants that grow well with high levels of nitrogen, such as benthic (bottom dwelling) algae, grow at the expense of other organisms. This can lead to algal blooms.

Sometimes algal blooms are important in the nitrogen and carbon cycles. For example, an algal bloom occurs each year off the west coast of India for two months beginning near the end of February. However, when an algal bloom occurs near a coral reef, it may smother parts of the coral reef. The algae block the sunlight required by the zooxanthellae in the coral to complete photosynthesis. This has been a problem in the Caribbean and the Florida Keys. In addition to agricultural nutrient runoff, municipal wastes, septic tank seepage, and other sewage—all high in nitrogen—find their way into the sea.

This problem has struck the coral reefs off Australia and Thailand too. Apparently excess nutrients resulted in the growth of plants favored by the crown of thorns starfish. The starfish soon multiplied there. The presence of a large number of them can destroy a reef in a relatively short time span.

well i know we have gone a bit off topic here ,, but sure i can reply to that ..
how many farmers do u know of where i live using organic chemicals ?? i think ull find its pretty limited , some have begun to use mulch with amazing results apparently ,, reducing the needs for harmful weed sprays , and increasing harvests by amazing results ...
i havent noticed any blue green algea build ups in the creek that my patches leach into thats for sure , in fact , the activity of my cultivation seems to improve the soil if anything , the worm counts are up , the soil is like silt , and i can grow plants in there even with out adding any fertalizer at all ...
oh and unicorn , dont use chemicals to make any hash , just use ice and water and a few filter bags , can recommend bubble bags , how better can u get than growing organic weed , using the suns ray s , and then making hash from the resulst using organic methods aswell ..
now isnt that what this thread is about ,, titled "organic vs chemweed??"
and i think we have even heard from the chemweed growers that if they had a choice , that is not the way they would choose to grow ...
eletist nobody ??" mmmm doubt it , just trying to show the other side of the arguement has some pretty good points .... personally i prefer organic weed for several reasons ..
taste , length of and quality of high , and doesnt hurt the planet as much ... for me thats what i am aiming for ....