organic vs chemweed

[istayapi]

I understand that the quality of the smoke would be better with organics, What about the Yield. Does organics make a better yield than Chem nutes?

 

[jaykush]

i like it all except a few things

If people had to choose between mass produced chemcical fruits and vegetables and nutrient and taste rich organic fruits, they would choose the organics in a double blind study if price was the same.

Now in a double blind study with chemcial vs Organic cannabis,

the person may only be looking for sheer strength and onset of effects to consider what he likes is the chemical choice.

Another may be after quality of the high (not quantity), and may be inclined to smoke a bit more perhaps, as he indulges in the full complexity of cannabinoids and terpenes.

shit some of the strongest quickest hitting weed was organic,but that means nothing. One strain could take 20 minutes to hit you another could get you upon exhale.
most people will go for taste if they were blindfolded i'm pretty sure.

 

[Guest]

long winded what?...i grow quality what nute i use is irrelevant with a good flush....thats my bottom line im sure i will hear more on yours

Miracle grow is radioactive and the other chemicals are not too far off.

Normally:

Chemical is for people growing for quantity, potency, and ease of (non-organics).

Organic is for people growing for quality, personal uses-taste, and it too can be potent, and for ease of not using chemicals for any personal reasons.

Sometimes organic growers can dial in just as large a yield with certain parameters.

Sometimes chemical grows get less yields when things aren't "optimal".

The same holds true in reverse as well of course.

Organic growers like DJ Short or Soma are after the highest quality organic results.

Organics will assist in the areas of taste, flavour, aroma, and supporting the innoculated media with the necessary whole foods and diets that will produce the maximum amount of cannabinoids in a more natural broad range ratio that will make the effect of the herb grown organically of superior effect where strength is not 1st, but the quality of the high is of utmost importance.

With chemicals, normally the herb will be stronger. But the strength it ensues is one that is more basically founded on THC to be of potency. But with only chemical building blocks to work with, has no basis for synthesizing more complex cannabinoids and terpenes. And hence terpenoids, complexity of high, etc.

This is not to say that chemically grown buds will not produce more yield of high THC buds. But to understand that the plant makes itself out of what it is given.

When you give N-P-K and trace elements, you are growing for weight and strength.
More drugs for the body to break down and the palnt as well.

When you feed a whole diet rich in worm castings, amino acids, guanos, seaweed kelp, complete with naturally available vitamins and amino acids you are talking about a whole extra set of cannabinoidial and terpenal healing properties making it healthier.

Did I mention miracle grow is radioactive, looks like some cheap shortcut best for commercial growers who don't care about personally consuming the produce.

You can grow a fruit or vegetablewith chemicals like miracle grow. But you will not have that orange that bursts open with terpenes and flavors and all natural vitamins that reach the depth's of your human experience. If you have not tasted a good orange lately, blame the chemical companies.

Making more of a THC drug than wholistic cannabinoidial profiled plants. Organics can become complicated.

But mixing "vita-mix" into your reservoir or soil is likened to you taking vitamins instead of getting them in your diet. Would you feed your dog organics based dog food if it was not too expensive? Or would you feed it nutritionless bulking agents which are baseless nutrients and added with vitamins just to grow and not look sick?

Organics are healthier(good for you), more broad range and pleasant in effects.

Chemicals are just that, chemicals, they will grow alot of THC laden buds that would satisfy a THC seeking high or stone. But it is more on a drug chemical level by the chemcials it was fed. So you get a "chemmy" high. There are many different chemcical lines out there, some more complete than others.

Just don't start off with miracle grow is all. If you are going to do it, do it well. Make sure there are more than just chemcial NPK and chemcical trace elements.

If people had to choose between mass produced chemcical fruits and vegetables and nutrient and taste rich organic fruits, they would choose the organics in a double blind study if price was the same.

Now in a double blind study with chemcial vs Organic cannabis,

the person may only be looking for sheer strength and onset of effects to consider what he likes is the chemical choice.

Another may be after quality of the high (not quantity), and may be inclined to smoke a bit more perhaps, as he indulges in the full complexity of cannabinoids and terpenes.

Personally, organics are preferred as I like to not try and outsmart nature. The arrogance never pays off in the dividends I am looking for. As I don't sell.

Either way it all comes down to personal choice and that is not a decision anyone can make for anyone else. Personal circumstances and choices are just that, personal.

 

[Guest]

I have never ever tasted anything chem grown that tastes any good. I'm grown on totaly organic localy produced veggies and I am familiar with the real taste. It isn't just chemical tho that sucks but also wrong organics. The right taste will ONLY come from manure fertilized soil. You won't find real rich and yet smooth taste in any veggies grown in one of modern ways - they all suck. Thank you for the plastic tomatoes and paper dill you fucking globalists. I won't teach this McDonald's culture to my kids. Watch "the future of food" or something to wake you up.

 

[Guest]

we all have cancer it lies dormant in the body...i use gh nutes.....are they radioactive...lol

The fast onset is one way of trying to explain being able to tell the difference between chemical grown and organic without taking taste into consideration as a double blind. Given there can be organic with a lot of THCV, etc. Aside from onset, which is not solely based on THC or even just THCV, you can usually tell the difference in overall effect is the meaning there along with other considerations. I use it as but one set of criteria when noting differences. Don't care who uses miracle grow, so don't take it personally or to the ego, you should just be aware of the high radioactivity. Like I said about personal tastes, if you want to smoke radioactive chemicals, that is all your choice and has not a thing to do with me as I don't use it and will not be affected whatsoever.

And I am aware that organics has the capability to produce very strong product along with a large yield given certain parameters are met as I stated before. This is of course in combination with a more complex array of cannabinoids than chemicals try to reproduce haphazardly.

I just like more natural stuff than radioactive isotopes that can cause cancer is all.

http://cannabisculture.com/news/tobacco.

"Radioactive buds?

New study shows that many fertilizers are radioactive, producing potentially harmful pot.

By David Malmo-Levine and Dana Larsen

A recent study shows that many commonly used fertilizers are high in radioactive elements. The study was performed by Dr Paul Hornby, who holds a master’s degree in biochemistry and a PhD in human pathology from the University of British Columbia.

The study analyzed 25 different types of fertilizers, eight "organic" varieties and 17 "chemical" fertilizers. The results showed that the chemical fertilizers emitted on average five times the radiation of the organic group.

There are different ways of measuring radioactivity. The table shows the "counts per minute" (CPM) of radiation detected in each sample. The average for the organic fertilizers was 140, while the chemical fertilizers had an average radiation count of 675, an almost five-fold increase.

The lowest radiation was found in the organic blood meal fertilizers, which emitted only background radiation - the normal low radiation found in most objects. On the other end of the spectrum was the 5-20-20 berry food, with a radiation level about 24 times higher than background.

These levels of radiation don’t pose a danger through simply being around bags of fertilizer. However, cannabis and other plants are known to uptake radioactive elements from their growing medium. Radiation exposure is accumulative, so that repeated inhalation would present an increasing health risk.

Radiation also accumulates in the soil. Farmers who grow chemical-fed tobacco soon face soil vitality-loss, forcing them to use more and more chemical fertilizer every year to maintain the same level of productivity. That means that tobacco land gets more and more radioactive every year.

Numerous studies published in the New England Journal of Medicine and other health, science and radiation journals have indicated that it is the radioactive elements in tobacco which lead to lung cancer (CC#35, Radioactive tobacco). Tobacco is typically fed with high-phosphate, chemical fertilizers, including heavy foliar spraying. All of these factors would produce a high-level of radioactive elements in the tobacco leaf.

Although further research is needed, this study does point the way to some simple harm-reduction techniques for pot growers. Many growers believe that using organic fertilizers produces a tastier, higher-quality bud. This study indicates that they could also be producing a less harmful product than that produced with many chemical fertilizers.

Although cannabis and cannabinoids are non-toxic, radiation is a major cause of cancer. Further research is clearly needed, but it seems likely that the best way to keep your buds as safe and harmless as possible is to use non-chemical, organic fertilizers, to eliminate any potential radioactivity getting into your stash, and your lungs.

Dr Paul Hornby is available for testing of all fertilizers: [email protected]

Fertilizer Type............................................Radioactivity score

Evergro Specialty Fertilizer..........................90
Blood Meal 12-0-0

Green Valley....................................................96
Blood Meal Fertilizer
12-0-0

RainGrow Organic Fertilizer.........................102
Bloom-A-Long
0-12-0

SeaSpray Organic Fertilizer..........................125
0.5-1.0-0.5

Green Valley Blood and Bone..........................154
Meal Fertilizer
7-11-0

RainGrow Organic Fertilizer..........................160
4-2-3

Homestead 100% Organic................................174
Bone Meal
4-14-0

DML Bird Guano...............................................178
NPK unknown

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Those above are all organic.
Those below are all synthetic.
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Miracid Soil Acidifier...................................248
Plant Food
30-10-10

Shultz All Purpose Plant Food.......................258
10-15-10

Miracle-Gro For Roses...................................285
18-24-16

Green Valley....................................................326
Rhododendron and Azalea Food
10-8-6

Shultz African Violet Plus...................................393
8-14-9

General Hydroponics..............................................400
Flora Grow
2-1-6

Miracle-Gro Water Soluble..................................409
Plant Food
15-30-15

Greenleaf Evergreen...............................................437
Tree and Hedge Feeder
13-6-7

Stern's Miracle-Gro..............................................538
For Tomatoes
18-18-21

Miracle-Gro...........................................................547
Plant Food Engrais
15-30-15

Greenleaf Shur Gro....................................................672
Soluble Plant Food
20-20-20

Greenleaf Shur Gro....................................................693
Soluble Plant Food
20-20-20

Shultz-Instant.............................................................740
Orchid Plant Food
19-31-17

Shultz Tomato Plus....................................................874
18-19-30

Evergro Fruit Tree....................................................1037
and Berry Food
4-20-20

Osmocote....................................................................2021
Time Release Fertilizer
18-6-12

Green Valley Berry Food...........................................2384
5-20-20

Like I said, don't care if you use it. Just know that it is way more radiation than you would get from tv, microwave, and the computer combined. Go ahead and use them, it will only affect you and nobody else.

 

[THCV]

this is a great thread. nice article, Slickster. Add "I don't want to smoke radioactive bud" to the list of reasons to go organic! Fact is, if you are going to be smoking it yourself, why the hell wouldn't you go organic? I grow hydro. Hydro vs soil is the real difference in terms of techniques; GH vs PBP hardly makes a difference in grower effort or system (i mean, NO difference), but the piece of mind of organic seems reason enough. Everyone thinks my herb is soil grown since it tastes so damn good. I just don't see why anyone uses chem nutes these days, unless it is purely commercial and the grower doesn't smoke his own shit. Ditto for Avid, No-Pest strips,and other pesticides, if i used those chems i would avoid my own bud. But then again, I eat organic most of the time, and i guess plenty of growers hit McD's, so it's all the same issue--not giving a sh** about what goes into your body. I don't even drink--alcohol is toxic, unlike organic herb.

Still, hydro organics is so easy, and the price difference is negligible when compared to the value of the final product. I say, even if you rock GH now, do a few runs to fine tune an easy organic setup (PBP, AN) and see if you aren't convinced...and see how much better your high will be without the additional paranoia of smoking radioactive, toxic chemical residues bringing down your buzz!

The bliss of an organic high made by you and the Creator, along with your ladies, is incomparable. And if it is true that chemmy weed is stronger (which I don't at all believe, but whatev), then just take another delicious organic hit! Believe me, you'll get as high as you want to be.

does this organic bubba kush look weak?

 

[Guest]

The only thing that keeps marijuana genes going is it is prohibited. If it was grown on a large farm scale those fuckers in genetic labs would work it out for big boys to benefit with their pesticides, fungisides and all their ferts shit. Sell their seeds, type on ferts bottles "safe" and most of ppl run like idiots to pick it up and post smart-ass stories on the Internet how good this wonderful technology is. You know their line is "proove it" "link it" and that sorta stuff Damn, how stupid this world is...

Just opened a jar of Bubblegum - gonna have a few hits of this wonderfull wild strawberry pheno. peace out

 

[resinryder]

Chem-Organic. Will always be a debate. Organics taste great, chems can taste great. Like with everything it depends on how you dial your grow in, how much experience you have with what you're using, how long, and with what you flush the hydro with. I've learned my system and when to add what and when to quit adding what. Example-I quit using SM-90 the last 2 weeks of my hydro because it was leaving a taste in my smoke that I didn't care for. If you are getting a off taste with your chem's you aren't doing something right imo. My shit is dank, sweet, a white ash, even burn,and no off taste. Experience baby, experience.
I like to do it both ways too. Currently have a Trainwreck bush and a Bubba Kush in the dirt and using the Organic line from AN. These are some of the best soil plants I've had so far. Still learning and looking forward to it too.
Get ya Passion on!!!

 

[Guest]

Hello all,

Just to stir the organic shit so to speak- Have you ever had organically grown veggies? Do they not taste superior to mass produced veggies?

Just my 2 pennies and a nicle- and I rasie you a nickle.

minds_I

Well, I grow organic veggies in the yard and that depends on genetics. I have grown around 6 different types of tomatoes so far and they all taste differently.

Some are more acid. Some are sweeter.
I think they pick commercial fruits and veggies before their time. That's 90 percent of the difference. They are bred for surviving the trip to the store and lasting a long time on the shelf. Not for taste.

Now when you can just go out and pick some veggies or fruit for a meal, it doesn't get any better than that.

Indoor I am a GH user, all hydro. I do grow some soil plants in there too.
I am seeing an increase in taste in both systems. I have tried both floralicious grow and coolbloom. Significant difference. But the difference between the two, miniscule. But I am no master soil grower either.

Ease of use helped my decision. I went on vacation for two weeks and came back to a healthy grow.

You could probably do it with a drip system and a res with soil. Why not?

 

[Ganico]

Okay, say you have two women, and both are pretty much equally attractive, right?

One is all natural, no procedures or plastic surgery.

One has had all kinds of plastic surgery done, and has possible STD's and costs a lot to take out and fills her body with all kinds of chemicals and dope.

Which one do you pick? The one with the plastic titties who may be bad for your health and who costs more to satisy? Not me. I'd pick the other one, and she also tends to smell better.

 

[Guest]

That's a terrible analogy.

It's more like this :

Whose more fit... the kung fu girl who eats a traditional strict diet , exercises forms 2 hours a day and works out only using her mind , and body to control how her body works... or

The aeorobics girl with a personal trainer, who works out at the gym on machines and takes supplements to control how she wants her body to work ?

I think if it is an emotional decision for a grower, like people who distrust "western medicine" even though life expectancy for westerners is double that of say traditional chinese , or native american people.

Or if you base your decision on sound science on how plants uptake minerals and and what they need to be healthy.

Whatever makes you happy.


Be it based on emotion, assumption or science, life is to short to not do what makes you happiest.

 

[Mr. Nevermind]

No difference between taste of "chem" weed or organic. As long as flushed properly you cant tell. I have seen old hippies who say there is a taste difference , then i give them mine and their tune changes. One of them even said " i can tell this is all organic , good job" and i said " i can tell you dont know shit , i used MG". When flushing you should rip off a fan leave and taste the water in the stem, if it tastes like water then you flushed properly, if its bitter then you need to flush more. that holds true for organic or chem.

As far as radioactivity? Get a grip! You eat microwave food dontcha?



Nevermind

 

[clowntown]

Wow I don't even care about the weed anymore. Gimme the kung-fu and the aerobics and the yoga and all those girls, I'll take 'em all at once!

 

[Guest]

Over the last five years Master has seen a good thing going on ------
100% All Natural Organic,
the only way
the best way
the planet's way
very nice thang going on there ,
Grow on !
peace,
Master Thai ;-)

 

[Guest]

neither

Okay, say you have two women, and both are pretty much equally attractive, right?

One is all natural, no procedures or plastic surgery.

One has had all kinds of plastic surgery done, and has possible STD's and costs a lot to take out and fills her body with all kinds of chemicals and dope.

Which one do you pick? The one with the plastic titties who may be bad for your health and who costs more to satisy? Not me. I'd pick the other one, and she also tends to smell better.

 

[Mr. Nevermind]

I'll take the girls too. But seriously, the microwave does not have the same levels of radioactivity you refer to. So go take your multi-vitamins and miracle-gro into the "chemmy" section. People using grow boosters like superthrive and miracle grow are only trying to overcompensate in place of patience and nature, but not the kind where you say "I'm going to feed arsenic to my plants then flush them and give them to some idiots". And base your prognosis on whether they even have taste buds left.

Feeding old hippies chem buds and then telling them off helps only your ego, and does not prove 1 thing. Like I said it is subjective, nature knows best.

I'm staying with her - all natural boobs.

No fake implants!

Yo slick listen up. How am I overcompensating in place of patience? A plant will finsih the same time chem as it would organic. Flower time doesnt differ due to nutes. So i am not being impatient at all. Just know what works and the end results are the same chemor organic as far as taste , smell and potency wise.

I dont see how fake tits is a proper analogy, just seems silly. Kind of like asking for an opinion in a thread then ripping someones opinion whom differs from yours.




Nevermind

 

[Mr. Nevermind]

But seriously, the microwave does not have the same levels of radioactivity you refer to.


Chemists, I am in school going for a double major in chemistry and biology, first semester of freshmen year my Orgainic chem professor told me right off the bat that she didn't agree with the term orgainic as it is applied to food and gardening, this Made no sence to me, a bit like the term natural, if you use it broadly enought even miracle grow is natural (were the naturally occuring components not put together by naturally occuring residents of there own accord?) but if you take the time to think about it, the use of the term orgainic to describe any chemical compound containing carbon is really chemistry jargon, that is what the word means without a doubt in chemistry, but that doesn't mean that thats what the word means. Also, many of the inorgainic ferts are salts that do not contain carbon, so by both common usage and chemistry jargon they fail to qualify as orgainic.

Regarding radiation, the largest source of ionizing radiation (alpha, beta, and gamma are ionizing, UV, microwaves, and radiowaves are electromagnetic) is potasium, just plain potasium, about 1% is a radioactive isotope (or so I'm told) so any fert that contains much potasium si going to contain a fair deal of radiation, non-orgainic (if I were talking about ferts with no carbon it would be inorgainic in chemistry jargon) ferts have more potasium and so they will always be more radioactive, thats not to say that they don't have radioactive barrium and other things in excess though. Aloso, with orgainic ferts you generally don't use as high NPK numbers, as you climb up the high salt contents tend to kill off microbes andyou have to go even further for the plant to get as much, in addition much of the NPK content of inorganic ferts are washed down stream as soon as it rains, microfoods like bonemeal tend to be mroe resistant to being washed away


Where you cut and pasted your silly chart you neglected to post the retort from someone educated whom proved my point that the microwave is worse for you than your "radioactive" MG. Further your organic ferts are actually just as if not more radioactive than MG. Also radioactive particles would have to be eaten in order for it to actually casue harm. No radioactive marterial is in MG knucklehead.






Nevermind

 

[Suby]

no good ever comes from threads like these

 

[guest123]

i recall going to a cannabis celebration here in oz ,, my friend with me says , do u reckin those guys in the corner over there, the white , pale sickly looking guys , do u think they are the indoor growers , ,hedhehheheheheehe
and u know ,, i think she was right ....

 

[Relik]

To make it all short, going organics is also a moral question. Do you care for the planet and future generations? Or are you just worried about how much you will yield in your next harvest? Short-term and long-term anticipation are two different states of mind.

If you find flushed chemweed to taste as great as organic weed, that's your problem. But think of the manufacturing of all your chems. You buy them to companies who make a dirty profit out of your non-smart ass, whereas my organic feedings rarely cost me much, as they come from everyday house or garden life.

Just saying, the whole organics/chem debate has and will always exist, but some people do care more than others. A gross comparison would be city life and countryside life. Which one suits you best?

Peace