organic vs chemweed

[Mr. Nevermind]

To make it all short, going organics is also a moral question. Do you care for the planet and future generations? Or are you just worried about how much you will yield in your next harvest? Short-term and long-term anticipation are two different states of mind.

If you find flushed chemweed to taste as great as organic weed, that's your problem. But think of the manufacturing of all your chems. You buy them to companies who make a dirty profit out of your non-smart ass, whereas my organic feedings rarely cost me much, as they come from everyday house or garden life.

Just saying, the whole organics/chem debate has and will always exist, but some people do care more than others. A gross comparison would be city life and countryside life. Which one suits you best?

Peace

No it isnt a "moral" question. Thats silly. who is the voice of these morals that are carved in stone ? i dont see it anyywhere that herb must be grown organic or you are immoral. Its peopel like you with a holier than though attitude that organics save the planet. get a grip on yourself. Do you drive? Do you use paper products? if so then you are hurting the planet alot more than someone using MG. As far as manufacturing of chems? Its a whole lot better than the crap on farms . Like all the non organic crap fed to animals that in turn shows up in manure.

So do me a favor, get off the moral high horse. You grow pot and thats a crime . Immoral huh?






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[Relik]

Morals aren't written somewhere bro, they come from reflexion. I ain't telling you to go organics, I'm telling you why I do grow organics. You aren't in any way forced to even care about what I say.

I do drive, I do use paper products. But who doesn't? People using chemferts do too. Hell, they might pollute even more than I do, just because I'm aware of the consequences of my actions and try to minimize the negative impacts. Can't blame me for that.

It may not be a moral question for you, because you probably don't give a damn about nature and the consequences of your actions, but I try to minimize the impact of my existence on this planet.

Growing pot is a crime? Man made laws, laws are arbitrary. Period. Does your moral positions change according to laws? That's your decision, but I remain true to myself.

And please, do you seriously think the manufacturing of chems is healthier than the use of manures? I agree some sources of manure must be spoiled because of what the animals are fed, and such said sources should be avoided. But hey, you aren't forced to use manures when growing organics, I don't even use them in my grows. You think because a fert is bottled, labelled and priced, it will be better than a homemade fert?

Please do me a favor and at least give organics a try and judge by yourself, instead of spitting on us in an Organics forum...

Peace

 

[Mr. Nevermind]

I do drive, I do use paper products.


So let me get this straight. its ok to chop down a forest so you have something to write on and its ok to suck the earth dry of oil and spill it in the process so you can drive. All of which hurt the earth, but using chems is bad for the enviorment? Nice set of "morals" you have there. You could use recycled paper and drive a hybrid since you care so much about the earth. Interesting you say "I dont give a damn" when you actions and words clearly show you dont.

Most homemade products contain just as much if not more harmful products than anything in a factory. Look at all the disease on farms . But thats safe?

I already gave organics a shot in the past. No difference in the final result.


instead of spitting on us in an Organics forum..


I am not spitting on you . in fact i have been quite civil. You are the one on the moral high horse. I have a differnce of opinion is all. You are the one claiming your way is best and moral with no basis for such accusations. So go use paper and burn oil Mr. I Care About The Planet






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[Relik]

I never said it was OK to chop down forests to make paper or to refine oil. I'm just stating I'm not the only one, and certainly not the one abusing either the forests or the oil supplies. As stated, I try to minimize the impact of my existence as a human being. Of course I'd use recycled paper and a hybrid car, who wouldn't? Those are simply unavailable to me for now.

Feeling concerned about the environment is not only rambling about fuel and paper. It should be reflected in your everyday actions. Turn off the water when brushing your teeth or washing the dishes, or recycling your wastes into compost (organic wastes that is). Those are just a few examples.

You seem to be stuck on farms, dude. I'll repeat, if manures or anything coming from a farm bothers you, you are not forced to use them. You just need to know your sources, organics give you so much alternatives it would be sad not to try them.

I'm not here to give lessons to anyone, or to even prove anything. But once again, think long-term. When your soil is dead and you keep adding so much chemicals, thinking it will solve the problem, I'll be growing veggies in the soil that gave me herb the year before. And if you come knockin' at my door after you realize how you killed your land, I'll be glad to share what I have with you. So go ahead an laugh at me, but he who laughs lasts laughs the best.

Peace

 

[Guest]

It's a very simplistic way of looking at things, and the reality is pretty grey as opposed to black and white.

If you really want to save the planet, don't have kids... now if you think of all the resources used for a western human in their lifetime it makes sense.
Check out artist David Irelands work documenting consumtion. He did a piece that was made of all the toilet paper rolls he used in ten years. It was staggering.

But growing herb in a closet with teas...that's a drop in the bucket. But every ounce counts.

Unless you are living without electricity, growing cotton and spinning your own fabric, it's pretty hard to walk on this earth without leaving a foot print. And we are the teaming billions , walking together. It's not THEM, it's US.

 

[Relik]

But growing herb in a closet with teas...that's a drop in the bucket. But every ounce counts.

That's a point I wanted to clarify. I grow organics in a whole garden, and I grow a variety of plants. I wouldn't debate if I had four plants under a HPS. I have a a whole living garden and eat its products almost everyday.

I agree that everyone pollutes. We are used to modern comfort, and would have a hard time living without electricity, for example. I just try to minimize the consequences.

As you said, Kmarpa, it's US. Then why don't WE try to help? When you look at the intellectual advancements that have brought Man where he is today, you wonder if they couldn't have used this intellectual potential to preserve the planet instead of leading it to destruction.

You know, where I live, the local indigenous people, before the arrival of white missionaries, did not have a notion of "themselves" as individuals. Instead, they saw it all like a whole: they belonged to nature and the only way to really live was to maintain the natural balance. They were part of nature, not an addition to nature. They were not superior to nature, they were part of it and couldn't live without it. Humans have just forgot they used to be part of nature before they started destroying it. It's a whole different philosophy.

 

[Guest]

do you really believe the shit you spew?

i recall going to a cannabis celebration here in oz ,, my friend with me says , do u reckin those guys in the corner over there, the white , pale sickly looking guys , do u think they are the indoor growers , ,hedhehheheheheehe
and u know ,, i think she was right ....

 

[captainjack]

who are u referring to, unicorn? i hope its not wally....
he only says it if he means it...IME maybe u meant the guy who posted above you

 

[Guest]

yes i replied to him didnt i? i take offense when someone insinuates that chemically grown weed indoors alters you and makes you an outcast...complete idiocy

 

[guest123]

hahahahaha , u know u nearly offended me there unicorn ,, but ill let it slip since its apparent u know no better .....

 

[minds_I]

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Unless you are living without electricity, growing cotton and spinning your own fabric, it's pretty hard to walk on this earth without leaving a foot print. And we are the teaming billions , walking together. It's not THEM, it's US.

Hello all,

Well said- and to the point.

I don't recall the exact figures but the US is 5 % of the wrolds popluation consuming 70% of the resources.


Sadly, I am among the 5% consuming at an alarming rate- and it is not sustainable.

Like it was aid earlier- quit having kids! thats the best thing you can do.

That and conserve where you can.

yes i replied to him didnt i? i take offense when someone insinuates that chemically grown weed indoors alters you and makes you an outcast...complete idiocy

Well, there is that Chernobyl glow about you.....but I would not say outcast really.
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perhaps aversion is more apprepo don't you think?

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BuaHAHAHAHAHA,

Sorry man, could not help myself.

minds_I


Buahahahaha- go ahead man, stir that shit. do it do it. DO IT !

 

[BudZad7]

Here's Organic 100%.....

Here's Organic 100%.....

Hi All !
Well, I do know one thing for sure....this is what some good 'ol Mex/Jam bat
guano,seaweed,worm castings, and molasses brewed for a couple of days in a gal jug with an air bubbler can do.......



3rd wk flowering





Peace !

 

[Guest]

am i supposed to hold my tong around you....or can i speak my mind?i know alittle somethin somthin

hahahahaha , u know u nearly offended me there unicorn ,, but ill let it slip since its apparent u know no better .....

 

[Mr. Nevermind]

i recall going to a cannabis celebration here in oz ,, my friend with me says , do u reckin those guys in the corner over there, the white , pale sickly looking guys , do u think they are the indoor growers , ,hedhehheheheheehe
and u know ,, i think she was right ....

You know if you arent part of the solution you are part of the problem. Perhaps you and others would chill out with the whole holier than though organic attitude. Dividing people in groups when you should embrace all growers chem or organic. We are stonger together than divided. But if you think your attitude helps the problem then you are sadly mistaken and only drive a wedge between growers. not really the building blocks for a "community".

Be happy others share the same passion of growing herb that you do, dont look down on others if they use different products than you do. I have seen many "organic" gardens and they look like shit and many have switched over to "chem" and their grows are much better due to it. As long as people are producing their own herb and are happy with their results , who are you to trash them and say they are sickly looking? Also if it werent for "sickly indoor growers" you wouldnt be able to work with C99 which you prize so much. I dont hear you complaining about that!


Nevermind

 

[Guest]

mr. nevermind...you are absolutely correct....peace

 

[guineapig]

Nobody's insulting anybody here, it's just that Cannabis cannot reach its full potential
unless grown in a sunny climate in a soil rich in organic fertilizers.....

Compared to Aussie monster outdoor plants, indoor plants look a bit shrimpy, that was the point i think.....

Scientists have studied this issue and really there is very little difference, ecological factors aside.....

kind regards from a guineapig

 

[Guest]

my friend if i could grow outside i would...but i cant...so im less of a grower?
...this indoor plant is not shrimpy...compared to outdoor yes...but dont hate apreciate

Nobody's insulting anybody here, it's just that Cannabis cannot reach its full potential
unless grown in a sunny climate in a soil rich in organic fertilizers.....

Compared to Aussie monster outdoor plants, indoor plants look a bit shrimpy, that was the point i think.....

Scientists have studied this issue and really there is very little difference, ecological factors aside.....

kind regards from a guineapig

 

[Guest]

I think Wally's point was to make a funny joke. But in order to get the joke, you would have to have a sense of humor...

 

[Guest]

ha ha

I think Wally's point was to make a funny joke. But in order to get the joke, you would have to have a sense of humor...

 

[Mr. Nevermind]

I think Wally's point was to make a funny joke. But in order to get the joke, you would have to have a sense of humor...

Stereo types arent funny to anyone except the person saying them. Kind of like you may not find humor in me saying white guys have small dicks. May be funny to me but to a white guy its actually hurtful. So lets keep the streotypes out of it. i would expect people to be more open minded here. Stereotypes never bring people together




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