Formaldehyde
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BISCUIT
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You don't really "flush" in organics because of the amount of time it takes organics to break down and the fact it doesn't wash from the soil the same as a salt....what you do is start feeding light when theres about 4 weeks left and then just plain water when theres 2 weeks left...the plant will be feeding that whole time
The practice of flushing is the result of people using chem nutes in doses that are unbalanced or high.
I've never heard of an organic farmer flushing his tomato plants...
With organics it's all about dosing, make sure there are very little nutes left near the end and feed plain water and some molasses, it's that simple.
Short of drowning the plant you can't really flush true organics.
I've never heard of an organic farmer flushing his tomato plants...
With organics it's all about dosing, make sure there are very little nutes left near the end and feed plain water and some molasses, it's that simple.
Short of drowning the plant you can't really flush true organics.
forsure...it's the only way i've ever grown...either indoors or outdoors i go organics...but i have tried some organic based nutes a few times...i always just thought to myself there is guano and earthworm castings in my mix the whole time and they are still breaking down and giving my plants nutes even though i'm flushing....never had a problem with thick black ash or bad taste...just always had that though in the back of my head....peace
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vonforne
Time2Unite said:
It all depends on what amount of admendments you have added to your soil mixture. If you use a plain base mix(peat, perlite and castings) with admendments you have added, you will know that your plants will use this amount in their growth cycle. example....leaf dropping or discoloration late in the cycle will tell you that the N levels are getting low. Which is a good sign. No need to flush there.
I guess the answer to your question would be then........know what admendments are in your soil and in what portions. That way there is no question as to what you are trying to flush. If they have been depleted during the growth cycle....there is nothing to uptake or to flush but maybe some salt build up. But if you have used the right portion of admendments you will have very little of this. Also all the enviromental elements that are concerned.....plain water, temp, humidity and lack of N mostly will tell the plant it is time to finish up. After all their only goal in their life cycle is to produce the next generation.
Suby said:
Suby my man,
What is your take on the idea that purposely stopping the application of "beastie teas/innoculation teas" 1-2 weeks prior to harvest will slow or stop their processing of organic nutes, thus starving the plants naturally and creating a nice flush.
A friend does this and sees it as crucial.
Thanks.
Dig
Hey D,
I'm not enitrely sure what a beastie tea is but i'm assuming you mean a brewed tea with EWC and molasses and other organic elements.
If the soil mix is truly organic then what you really want is to have alot of soil bacteria throughout, even more so near the end because the conditions for their survival is less than optimal with a big rootball and not alot of elements left in the soil mix.
I find plain water and molasses in the end boosts their numbers and gets more elements broken down but that only works if your using a tecnique like mine where I dose the ammendments to runout near the end regardless.
Short of killing the soil bacteria with peroxyde they will still be there even if you don't innoculate near the end.
Hope i answered your question.
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I'm not enitrely sure what a beastie tea is but i'm assuming you mean a brewed tea with EWC and molasses and other organic elements.
If the soil mix is truly organic then what you really want is to have alot of soil bacteria throughout, even more so near the end because the conditions for their survival is less than optimal with a big rootball and not alot of elements left in the soil mix.
I find plain water and molasses in the end boosts their numbers and gets more elements broken down but that only works if your using a tecnique like mine where I dose the ammendments to runout near the end regardless.
Short of killing the soil bacteria with peroxyde they will still be there even if you don't innoculate near the end.
Hope i answered your question.
S
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Chemweedhttp://www.icmag.com/ic/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=707115#
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Organics wins as so far as flushing, I don't. The soil is spent at that point especially in Nitrogen. The last 3 waterings are done with rainwater. This is not flushing. I am not putting 5to1 3to1 or whatever just watering. Chemweed is not even the same universe as organics. Organics should be sustainable. And personally I cant see paying 20$ for a ground up fish in a bottle or purchasing dirt for $$ too. Some organics are scamlike. Lets all start selling fish in a bottle and buying pot with the proceeds.....There is no Intelligent life here Scotty beam me up.
Chemweedhttp://www.icmag.com/ic/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=707115#
Organics wins as so far as flushing, I don't. The soil is spent at that point especially in Nitrogen. The last 3 waterings are done with rainwater. This is not flushing. I am not putting 5to1 3to1 or whatever just watering. Chemweed is not even the same universe as organics. Organics should be sustainable. And personally I cant see paying 20$ for a ground up fish in a bottle or purchasing dirt for $$ too. Some organics are scamlike. Lets all start selling fish in a bottle and buying pot with the proceeds.....There is no Intelligent life here Scotty beam me up.
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not even the same universe...how dramatic..
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Nice bud unicorn
Nice bud unicorn
Dramatic yes but so is the destruction of earth, and yes i do eat organic food, I conserve energy and don't even litter. I would prefer not creating a waste heap of the planet.
Nice bud unicorn
Dramatic yes but so is the destruction of earth, and yes i do eat organic food, I conserve energy and don't even litter. I would prefer not creating a waste heap of the planet.
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10 pages thick and im sure its the same old debate
so ill just leave my .02
ive done "organic" (pbp, fox farm, olivia's, etc) and I've done "chemmy" (GH)
Ive gotten much better results with the "chemmy" and thats considering flavor, smoothness, potency, etc.
my experience has been this:
* organics are hyped, overrated in terms of flavor, smoothness, potency
* chemmy gets a bad rep by greedy commersh growers and those who dont know how to feed properly with it (though, some "chem" is probably worse than others - I can only comment on GH)
so ill just leave my .02
ive done "organic" (pbp, fox farm, olivia's, etc) and I've done "chemmy" (GH)
Ive gotten much better results with the "chemmy" and thats considering flavor, smoothness, potency, etc.
my experience has been this:
* organics are hyped, overrated in terms of flavor, smoothness, potency
* chemmy gets a bad rep by greedy commersh growers and those who dont know how to feed properly with it (though, some "chem" is probably worse than others - I can only comment on GH)
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well you surely deserve a cookie...i would prefer many things...but i live in society....is a pool noodle organic...lol
octodiem said:
It always makes me laugh to hear about hype...
Let's talk hype, if your a simpleton and don't do your homework (because ahem... some of us have aquired the knowledge to pull off organics with little effort, just some time reading and learning the ropes) then yes you'll do better with chems, chems are brainless to use.
If you have a head on your shoulders and don't have an aversion to reading you'll pull off an organic grow with your eyes shut by following some simple recipies that are truly organic.
Anybody who mentions PBP, FF, etc in the same breath as "true organics" don't know the first thing about true organics and whats more you've probably missed the fucking point.
I can rummage the forest and drop by my local farmers market and make my own ferts, nature is it's own solution, nothing wasted and nothing lost.
Organics is about using what's naturally availble and well yes maybe organic fanatics are pot snobs, I know I frown on chemweed and pass it up regularly. That's because i'm proud of depending on mother natures elements to make my way, it's not meant to be easy (but it is regardless) but I feel I know more about plants because I've studied organics.
Is it superior or not?
It's not for me to decide for others but saying organics are overrated after using bottled organics is plain blind and misleading.
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Let's talk hype, if your a simpleton and don't do your homework (because ahem... some of us have aquired the knowledge to pull off organics with little effort, just some time reading and learning the ropes) then yes you'll do better with chems, chems are brainless to use.
If you have a head on your shoulders and don't have an aversion to reading you'll pull off an organic grow with your eyes shut by following some simple recipies that are truly organic.
Anybody who mentions PBP, FF, etc in the same breath as "true organics" don't know the first thing about true organics and whats more you've probably missed the fucking point.
I can rummage the forest and drop by my local farmers market and make my own ferts, nature is it's own solution, nothing wasted and nothing lost.
Organics is about using what's naturally availble and well yes maybe organic fanatics are pot snobs, I know I frown on chemweed and pass it up regularly. That's because i'm proud of depending on mother natures elements to make my way, it's not meant to be easy (but it is regardless) but I feel I know more about plants because I've studied organics.
Is it superior or not?
It's not for me to decide for others but saying organics are overrated after using bottled organics is plain blind and misleading.
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yes, because the only way someone would come up with a conclusion different from you is if they are a "brainless simpleton". because after all, it takes a fucking genius to figure out how to use PBP(say what you want, its pseudo organic).
at least I explained my experience as what it was.. didnt try to bash anyone else, simply sharing my experiences with pseudo organics
I'm sorry daddy touched you as a child, suby. but don't take your anger out on me. last time I interacted with you, you were fucking lame then too.
nice gallery
"chemweed" yea right Ive had people smoke my shit plenty days and think it was organic until I tell them.
if your bud isnt coming out exquisite with GH you've either got whack genetics or have no idea how to feed properly.
at least I explained my experience as what it was.. didnt try to bash anyone else, simply sharing my experiences with pseudo organics
I'm sorry daddy touched you as a child, suby. but don't take your anger out on me. last time I interacted with you, you were fucking lame then too.
nice gallery
"chemweed" yea right Ive had people smoke my shit plenty days and think it was organic until I tell them.
if your bud isnt coming out exquisite with GH you've either got whack genetics or have no idea how to feed properly.
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the lorax said:yes, because the only way someone would come up with a conclusion different from you is if they are a "brainless simpleton". because after all, it takes a fucking genius to figure out how to use PBP(say what you want, its pseudo organic).
at least I explained my experience as what it was.. didnt try to bash anyone else, simply sharing my experiences with pseudo organics
I'm sorry daddy touched you as a child, suby. but don't take your anger out on me. last time I interacted with you, you were fucking lame then too.
nice gallery
nice, you must make your mother proud.
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