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dubi

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Hi Bardo Eagle,

Maybe yes, maybe no. The fact 2 different things happen in the same time line in different parts of the world doesn't necessarily mean they are connected, but i see your point.

I have grown green pure Vietnameses, Dalat, Vietnam Black, many pure Thais and i find some similarities between Green Haze and some SE Asian green sativa landraces (lime/lemony, spicy and woody terpenes, burnt hair and uplifting cerebral non ceiling effects, similar high THC chemotypes with almost null CBD content, similar behaviour and structures, flowering times, etc ...), but i have never found a green SE Asian sativa that in pure form produces loud incense, i have only found strong incensey sativa landraces in Central American sativa populations and in Nepalese sativas, also in some Indian sativas.

Green Vietnameses and green Thais are highly related, it's what i call the 'classic green SE Asian phenotype', it's an archetype expression widely spread in the lowlands of many SE Asian countries. Northern Laotians for example are a different thing.

Probably not even the Haze brothers knew for sure the exact origins of the landrace sativas they used to produce their Haze. I think they got their seeds from imported weed and dealers like to lie, especially to increase prices, if only one person in the smuggling chain lied about the origins then all the people after that can be wrong, and seems Haze brothers didn't collect the seeds in person in the tropics.

So, who really knows ? I'm not going to pretend to know it for sure, but based on my personal experience growing both: pure Haze and many tropical sativa landraces from America and SE Asia, i would bet Haze is mainly old Colombian, or an American sativa x SE Asian sativa of some sort. Genetic analyses seem to indicate the first, i did my part sending samples of our Green Haze and Purple Haze mothers for genetic analyses, and by sharing the results with the community, they are publicly available. Hope others do it with legit Haze lines, genetic analyses are the only way to shed some light and science about this topic, instead of all this endless chatting about Haze origins, this discussion seems to arise lots of passions, but also lot of garbage, and i don't have the time neither the mood for ego fights, as it is happening in other threads, here and in other forums.

Days ago I realized that Haze was bred circa in 1970, concurrently with the Vietnam war,maybe some soldier bring Vietnamese landrace home and start to spread,the Haze Brothers start to breeding and /or cross to other landrace( maybe colombian). Vietnamese Landraces are the green part, and the purple part Colombian or Vietnam purple pheno.
Not thai but Vietnamese
:)
 

TheDarkStorm

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Dubi have you smoked the thia78...its very similar to haze.....was just interested in your thoughts?
 
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Bardo Eagle

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Dubi you are right (and more experienced than me)
My thoughts is related to the green Haze apparence that match with the lowland SE asian sativa (in this case Vietnamese). The purple side can be Highland Colombian landrace. My tripping was: Haze Brothers hippy revolutionary- Vietnam war Is bad hence put flowers in your cannon-what weed?? Vietnamese weed-create a strain to spread the love instead hate-what name?? Haze like napalm fume or tropical mist but on the brightside ...
Only my one shilling
:huggg:
 

xtsho

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At home enjoying the Old Timers Haze. Stay healthy. :canabis:


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dubi

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Nice looking bud xtsho :yummy: Old school tropical sativa at its best.

How is the smoke ? Hope it enhances your mood during the quarantine.
Please, take good care.
 

repuk

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Wow! What a thread... still reading it.

Have two OTH's (coco + 100% salts) about 1 week in flower (12/12 until preflowers), no sex yet on neither.

OTH #1

This one was fimmed, LST'd then aggressively topped, under SILs:
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OTH #2

Fimmed only, aggressively topped, smaller pot, under HPS:
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Ur Humbl Nr8tor

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Wow! What a thread... still reading it.

Have two OTH's (coco + 100% salts) about 1 week in flower (12/12 until preflowers), no sex yet on neither.

OTH #1

This one was fimmed, LST'd then aggressively topped, under SILs:
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OTH #2

Fimmed only, aggressively topped, smaller pot, under HPS:
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Have fun with those indoors repuk. I’ve got a OTH (unsexed) that I’ll put outdoors if it’s female. I haven’t found a male OTH or OTH cross yet, so we will see if I’m flowering one this year.
 

repuk

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Yeah, I'm a little scared indoors :biggrin:... having now bigger space and my passion/journey through hazey hybrids led me to end up here! :tiphat:

Took clones of both, and definitely will be flowering any females outdoors.
 

Ur Humbl Nr8tor

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Yeah, I'm a little scared indoors :biggrin:... having now bigger space and my passion/journey through hazey hybrids led me to end up here! :tiphat:

Took clones of both, and definitely will be flowering any females outdoors.

Ive not flowered OTH indoors (completely) but the OTHxMT indoors vs. outdoors was night and day in quality of finished product.
 

repuk

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Ur Humbl Nr8tor: I'll probably bring any female outdoors too by August, dunno how the flower room temperature gonna be, and AC is out of the question for indoors, so will probably shut down the indoor flower room in the worst summer heat periods (July/August/September).
 

repuk

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Update

Update

OTH #2

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I think is a female... would love to pollinate her with Nepal Mist! Let's see...

I moved her right to the spot where OTH #1 was, i.e. switch from HPS to SILs, which seem (vs HPS) to

1) Contain stretch

2) Reveal preflowers faster, all girls on the SIL side showed preflowers before, and seems to engage in flowering faster.


OTH #1
Removed from the Flower Room, will be culled.

Have to admit with equal amounts of sadness and relief... got out of hand, flowering this plant indoors would for sure have been a challenge. My mistake: that 7L pot, lesson learnt.

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dubi

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Really nice to see the bloody sap, repuk :) It's a trait mainly found in tropical sativa lines.

I would say your OTH #2 is a female, although she is still a bit young to fully confirm.
Crowded indoor rooms with high temps usually produce a higher male ratio in regular seeds.

If you have the chance, please do the Oldtimer's Haze x Nepal Mist cross! :D
 

repuk

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dubi said:
If you have the chance, please do the Oldtimer's Haze x Nepal Mist cross!

Sure!!!! :tiphat: :huggg:

OTH #1 rootball (7L pot) pic:
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I cannot imagine what size will this plant reach if unrestricted.
 

xtsho

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Nice looking bud xtsho :yummy: Old school tropical sativa at its best.

How is the smoke ? Hope it enhances your mood during the quarantine.
Please, take good care.

The smoke is excellent. I'm glad I took the time to grow OTH.
 

nepalnt21

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the males of long-flowering tropical sativas like oth, do they flower and pollinate in a much shorter time-frame than their female counterparts? how long would you expect a pure tropical male to take to pollinate from the time it first shows preflowers?
 
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