Oldtimer's Haze

[thugpoet]

the males of long-flowering tropical sativas like oth, do they flower and pollinate in a much shorter time-frame than their female counterparts? how long would you expect a pure tropical male to take to pollinate from the time it first shows preflowers?

I have no direct experience of flowering tropical sativa males, but the same logic applies:

- Males usually start throwing their pollen half way through floral induction for the females of the same strain.

- From an evolutionary stand point it makes absolutely no sense for a male to mature faster and to throw pollen before the females can receive it or to finish flowering before the females are done making new flowers.

-For tropical sativas that can flower continuously, you'd assume the males would do the same and keep on flowering to make new polen for the new female flowers.



So my educated guess is that you should expect the OTH males to start throwing pollen around 7-8 weeks into flowering. Hopefully someone can confirm.

 

[rolandomota]

I have never seen a male plant take more than 3 weeks to drop pollen when sexually mature but I remember dubi said the old timers is 6 to eight weeks I have never seen that and I have grown many 16 to 18 weeks flower strains and always it's 3 weeks definitely do 11 on 13 off with oth

 

[dubi]

Hi nepalnt21,

Yes, with the same growing conditions, photoperiods and same age of the plants, the males always flower before and faster than females of the same strain, for all cannabis strains, also for Oldtimer's Haze.
The Haze females will be pollinated since the very start and first appearing of female preflowers.

There could be exceptions like in very unstable sativa/indica polyhybrids .... the grower could get a very early flowering indica male expression and a long flowering female with strong sativa influence from the same batch of seeds.

But what is stated in the first paragraph is correct for the more uniform and inbred lines like Oldtimer's Haze.

the males of long-flowering tropical sativas like oth, do they flower and pollinate in a much shorter time-frame than their female counterparts? how long would you expect a pure tropical male to take to pollinate from the time it first shows preflowers?

 

[yoss33]

I have no direct experience of flowering tropical sativa males, but the same logic applies:

- Males usually start throwing their pollen half way through floral induction for the females of the same strain.

- From an evolutionary stand point it makes absolutely no sense for a male to mature faster and to throw pollen before the females can receive it or to finish flowering before the females are done making new flowers.

-For tropical sativas that can flower continuously, you'd assume the males would do the same and keep on flowering to make new polen for the new female flowers.



So my educated guess is that you should expect the OTH males to start throwing pollen around 7-8 weeks into flowering. Hopefully someone can confirm.

What makes sense from "evolutionary" stand point might not be as direct and obvious as you think. The world is quite complex!
In cannabis, from what I've seen males generally flower a bit earlier (most of them) or a bit later than the females (of the same "strain") and the reason for this is to have higher chance to out-cross with other "strains" (other patches growing nearby) and not inbreed.
You might be surprised to learn (I was!) that for some strains of walnut trees the males flower so much earlier than the females that they are completely unable to pollinate each other, they can be pollinated only by other strains. It's nature's way of limiting inbreeding.

 

[LostTribe]

I have never seen a male plant take more than 3 weeks to drop pollen when sexually mature but I remember dubi said the old timers is 6 to eight weeks I have never seen that and I have grown many 16 to 18 weeks flower strains and always it's 3 weeks definitely do 11 on 13 off with oth

My POTH male started dropping around 6 weeks.

 

[troutman]

In my experience pure Sativas take 5 or more weeks to drop pollen.

 

[thugpoet]

What makes sense from "evolutionary" stand point might not be as direct and obvious as you think. The world is quite complex!
In cannabis, from what I've seen males generally flower a bit earlier (most of them) or a bit later than the females (of the same "strain") and the reason for this is to have higher chance to out-cross with other "strains" (other patches growing nearby) and not inbreed.
You might be surprised to learn (I was!) that for some strains of walnut trees the males flower so much earlier than the females that they are completely unable to pollinate each other, they can be pollinated only by other strains. It's nature's way of limiting inbreeding.

Mindblowing and totally makes sense. Thank you for passing the knowledge.

 

[repuk]

yoss33, super interesting!

Avocados go to similar, and incredible extents to avoid inbreeding... their flowers feature dichogamy, also known as Sequential hermaphroditism. Their flowers are "compound", having male and female organs, but only opens as either male or female.

For all members of a cultivar, (say Hass) all flowers will open at the same time as say, male flowers. Next day, all flowers in all the cultivar will open like female flowers. Hence, no one will be pollinated from the same strain as they coordinate the flower gender opening to be the same in all the orchard.

A,B Male, C,D Female.

Avocado farmers have to interspeed different, but suitable strains (overlapped flowering times) in their orchards (e.g. Hass and Bacon), and make sure bees, or other pollination insects can do their work.

That's why when you sprout an avocado seed, and wait till it fruits (>8 years) the fruits won't resemble the original fruit at all, will be hybrids always.

Definitely, nature has its incredible ways.

 

[repuk]

OTH update

OTH update

8th flowering week, KaliChina hogging the camera as always

Really hard to shoot her, took these with the phone + headlamp, enough to see what's going on:

100% Crop:

Excuse her droppiness, shot was taken before feeding time.

 

[ULMW]

Lovely progress Repuk. Great photos and reports each time. Many Thanks. Very informative. Happy Growing!

 

[Ur Humbl Nr8tor]

Looks good Repuk

 

[SolarLogos]

8th flowering week, KaliChina hogging the camera as always

Really hard to shoot her, took these with the phone + headlamp, enough to see what's going on:

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100% Crop:
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Excuse her droppiness, shot was taken before feeding time.

Very nice haze. You did a great job controlling height brother.

 

[Ur Humbl Nr8tor]

My severely root bound male OTH. Have a couple clones and plan on spreading the pollen around this fall. First male OTH or OTH cross.

 

[SolarLogos]

My severely root bound male OTH. Have a couple clones and plan on spreading the pollen around this fall. First male OTH or OTH cross.

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Congratulations on getting a male. If I'm not mistaken, you've been looking for one and it's your first one? I popped 5 seeds of OTH last season, got 2 girls and 3 guys, a purple, green and lime green. Have fun chucking pollen

 

[Ur Humbl Nr8tor]

Congratulations on getting a male. If I'm not mistaken, you've been looking for one and it's your first one? I popped 5 seeds of OTH last season, got 2 girls and 3 guys, a purple, green and lime green. Have fun chucking pollen

Yep...I have been looking for one. And I have what appears to be a stable DJ F13 Mother that I’m looking to cross. Tried years ago but the DJ was unstable. I’ve also got a though to cross this to the Super Silver Sour Diesel Haze and whatever else looks good. I’ll try to freeze some pollen for future crosses. Unless he shows something really amazing in flower, and then maybe I’ll keep a clone for a while.

 

[repuk]

OTH #2 Update

OTH #2 Update

Steadily doing her thing:

Severely root bound also. Now that KC and Violeta wil be out after harvest, I plan to move her to a full lit spot underneath the SILs.

 

[dubi]

Very interesting one repuk!

It's a very good sign she is showing such good resin production so early in flowering

 

[Ur Humbl Nr8tor]

Like it, repuk. Here’s a close up of my male OTH. It’s been so severely root bound. I finally moved it into a slightly larger container and will take some cuts so I can have some healthy pollen later on this season.

Question for dubi and those who have used the male OTH...what are you mainly looking for in the male?

I wouldn’t expect to see much in the way of resin on this at the moment...but when I plucked off the pollen sacks, I noticed a very nice albeit mild spicy aroma. No citric. Just spice.

It’s also got dark...dare I say purple tips on some of the male sacks.

Would you clone and put under 11/13 to collect pollen earlier in the season? Seems some of the earlier plants would want to get hit with pollen before it’s going to be fully mature out doors. Then I could also try and contain the pollen a little bit.

I’d like to cross this to everything I’ve got going this year so far...auto Zam, Purple Haze x Malawi, New Killer Malawi S1, Oaxaca x Panama, Zacatecas Tribute, SSSDH, Strawberry Diesel, F-13.

 

[hanfiking]

I look for purple hues in a male to be honest. i want him to be strong and have no deformities in leaves. any plants that grow too short or weak or deformed get weeded out early

 

[Ur Humbl Nr8tor]

I look for purple hues in a male to be honest. i want him to be strong and have no deformities in leaves. any plants that grow too short or weak or deformed get weeded out early

Thanks for that. This one seems pretty hardy. Not happy having spent months in a 4 liter pot vegging. Especially since it’s been outdoors. It wants to run. I’m actually hoping this male leans more green but I enjoy purple OTH effects too.