Oldtimer's Haze

[Ur Humbl Nr8tor]

I have one OTH from seed and it is very wide leaf at the start. I’m sure she will narrow considerably over time. That’s what I’ve found with them in the past any ways. Yours are already a bit more narrow leaf.

 

[dubi]

Hi SolarLogos and sorry for the delay in the reply,

You got what we call in Oldtimer's Haze descriptions as intermediate green/purple phenos. These intermediate phenos usually remain green until very late in flowering, and only start to show colors outdoors in late November/early December, maturing with more pigmentation in the flowers, and more or less colors in the leaves near by the flowers, depending on the specific plant and growing variables.

You did a great job finishing Oldtimer's Haze at your latitude and climate and the indoor flowers look great as well! I'm really happy for you as i know you took care of them for more than half year with lots of love and dedication, you really deserve to enjoy of the best qualities of pure Haze. Really curious to know your opinion of the outdoor harvest vs indoors, guess they must be starting to show their potential now after a few weeks of curing.

Wish you and the family are doing great!

Here is one of my OTH in the greenhouse. The color is very interesting. Initially, she looked like she had been in a dust storm and was covered in dirt, but it's not dirt. She has been turning more grey and a couple times I had to take a second look that it wasn't mold. Now she has evolved into a silverish-blue color. Pictures don't capture the color the way the naked eye does, but you can get the idea. The backs of the leaves are not yellow, but rather they have a healthy gold/grey color to them.
I think Sam mentioned a silver blue pheno, any chance this is her? Have you seen this color Dubi?

Thanks for stopping by,
Peace, God bless

Greetings Ur Humbl Nr8tor. Both my OTH turned out to be purple. OTH #1 will be ready soon, patience... Here she is today in the greenhouse. It's been overcast and raining here today, but staying warm in the greenhouse, RH 50-66.

Here is her clone in the flower room. It's hard getting good shots of calyxes with all the leaves, but at least the leaves are frosty

SL

 

[dubi]

Hola SonicNurse92

Perdona por el retraso en contestar. Me alegra ver que finalizaste el otoño germinando unas Oldtimer's Haze, espero hayan progresado bien durante estos meses. Mantennos informados si tienes oportunidad.

Hola Dubi y amigos les presento a mis 5 Oldtimer's, tienen 3 semanas desde que nacieron y las cambiaré a 1 litro el fin de semana. Estarán en interior y armaré unos paneles con chips Luminus CXM22 para ver que tal me va. Antes de ponerlas a florecer vendré con fotos.

Saludos

SN92

 

[dubi]

Hi hanfiking

So nice! Yes, i remember fondly the Oldtimer's Haze #26 mother. She was a very tall, lanky and late maturing Purple Haze berry/black liquor scented pheno coming from the very first Oldtimer's Haze seeds we received.

Last time i grew her was in 2006 (God, time flies!) for second Oldtimer's Haze release/seed reproduction (first reproduction was done by kaiki). I liked her, but i ended up selecting Purple Haze #23 mother as my favorite Purple Haze due to her more incensey terpene profile and better effects, although Purple Haze #26 genes are still alive in her offspring, which was combined by open pollination with other Oldtimer's Haze lines in next reproductions of the strain. Glad you kept this #26 line alive

Who still remembers the Purple haze: 26f 6m ?

here she is, I've been breeding them in big lots weeding out the sick and broken ones, any type of deformity removed, only the healthiest get to the next generation:

dubi probably doesn't remember selling me the original OTH seeds but it was more than 10 years ago I bought them. I included them in some of my threads over the years.

actually it was this grow from 2007 where i made seeds of this strain https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=68064 for the first time

I took those 3 pictures today

 

[dubi]

Hi baduy,

Glad you enjoyed with the effect of your first Green Haze and that the experience motivated you to keep working and exploring the line
The new Green Haze looks great as well, and your description of the aromas of the Green Haze is spot on! It smells ancient, like a hippie backpack full of dirty clothes after travelling one month through India hehehehe also spicy, woody, incensey, touches of citrics (mainly lime), non ripe green mango and even burnt hair.

Happy to see she finished properly there and that you reproduced her with your best Oldtimer's Haze male.
It's a pleasure to see so many different passionate sativa lovers growing and preserving pure this line for the future generations.

Was piney mostly, not really incense. Not extremely tasty but an extremely clear high which made everything interesting and put me in a good mood. Got 2 OTH in the garden now, while I'm hoping to experience different phenos I wouldn't be disappointed if this one popped again

Oldtimer's Haze by 43N outdoor. made a homemade scrappy greenhouse as weather can be harsh here in Nov/December but I think she's almost done now, sure less productive and more leafy than if she was in pot in a controlled environment but I love her subtle fragrance, ginger, pepper, incense are what come first to mind with some kind of faint mango flavour and something hard to describe, like old saffron pistils . Buds didn't beef up much with the low temperatures but give some good resin sticky to the touch. I think I will give her another week or two if weather allows it

I'm happy I kept a clone for further experiments and pollinated her with my best OTH male as I now only have one seed left from the original pack

 

[dubi]

Welcome keptwalking

And good luck on your Oldtimer's Haze grow and selection, please keep us updated and let us know if you have any doubt.

Few packs of OTH ordered. Plan is to run them all at once indoors, organic living soil. Thinking I will start them in solo cups or equiv size containers, flip them fast, clone down the winners and push forward.

Most likely will build out a room just for them as it seems needed, nothing fancy and trying to keep it minimal as I can.

Cheers all.

 

[dubi]

Excellent results xtsho

Really fatty and well developed pure Haze flowers, quite good yielding for an extremely inbred and tropical sativa of this kind. Well done!

Glad the finished product was well worth the ride. Thanks for sharing, much appreciated

I think she's ready. Close to twenty weeks.

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Yes spicy and earthy. It tastes really good and is very smooth. It's taken a long time but it was worth the effort.

 

[dubi]

Hi CodyPomeray,

Exciting! Glad to see you are in the process of making a nice Oldtimer's Haze selection and that you got almost perfect germination rates with your seeds. Oldtimer's Haze is one of the very few strains that we recommend to germinate directly in soil, without using any pregermination method like in paper towels.

You should be able to find remarkable females and males from 28 plants. If you plan to do the selection indoors then it's better to keep all the plants in small plants until they reach their sexual maturity, then plan the flowering accodingly for your setup. Please, keep us updated!

7 days in. 28/30 sprouts, cant complain at all, if anything better than I was expecting. I was at least hoping to get 18 sprouts from this batch and aim to get 5-8 males and 10 females, so we are still well able to do this. Stoked...beyond.

Nothing like anything else I have messed around with. Really need to listen to them and let them grow like they desire. Love it.

 

[dubi]

Terpene's Purple Haze

Terpene's Purple Haze

Would like to share with all of you the outstanding pics of the outdoor Purple Haze that Terpene harvested past season Simply amazing!

 

[BenoitV1984]

Outstanding indeed

Is it still possible to find Purple phenotype in current Oldtimer's Haze freebies? Any info regarding which line they would be?

 

[SolarLogos]

My purple haze last year came from freebies. Of 5 seeds I popped, I got 2 females, a purple haze and a PR pheno. Good luck friend, they are still out there.

 

[BenoitV1984]

PR pheno?

 

[willydread]

I think it's punto rojo, Ot1haze often shows intermediate pheno between green and purple, including one that is quite green with purple-tinged buds (so I played it, maybe I'm wrong)...

 

[hanfiking]

I'm not just keeping her alive, i'm fully gene cleaning her, unfortunately there were some
deformations and discolorations etc. but I think that the strain is getting better and better

 

[dubi]

Hi BenoitV1984,

Latest Oldtimer's Haze reproduction was an open pollinated involving many different females and males and from different lines and generations, this was done to try to preserve as much different traits as possible, and to keep vigor in the line and to avoid excessive inbreeding, because Oldtimer's Haze line is already very very inbred.

The open pollination had mainly non colorful phenos, but was not a strictly only Green Haze reproduction. As SolarLogos experienced, you still can easily find colorful Haze phenos just by growing a few females from seed and by flowering them with cold temps in the second half of flowering.

Outstanding indeed

Is it still possible to find Purple phenotype in current Oldtimer's Haze freebies? Any info regarding which line they would be?

 

[kamyo]

Dubi, have you noticed any difference expressions being passed in hybrids when using the OTHaze females vs males? Naturally, I think back to Nev's and A5hz where Haze fathers were used and produced some great work.

 

[dubi]

Honestly, as far as i have personally experienced, and from what i have seen from other people grows, i don't think Sam's Haze or Oldtimer's Haze contain Punto Rojo genetics.

For me, Punto Rojo sativas are the red/pink pistiled Colombian sativas (a trait commonly found also in many other Central American sativas lines from for example Panama, Paraguay, Brazil, Guatemala, or even Mexico and Jamaica), but Punto Rojo sativas should not be confused with the purple highland colombian sativas, which i think are the source of Purple Haze phenos in Haze.

PR pheno?

 

[Bardo Eagle]

Days ago I realized that Haze was bred circa in 1970, concurrently with the Vietnam war,maybe some soldier bring Vietnamese landrace home and start to spread,the Haze Brothers start to breeding and /or cross to other landrace( maybe colombian). Vietnamese Landraces are the green part, and the purple part Colombian or Vietnam purple pheno.
Not thai but Vietnamese

 

[dubi]

Dubi, have you noticed any difference expressions being passed in hybrids when using the OTHaze females vs males? Naturally, I think back to Nev's and A5hz where Haze fathers were used and produced some great work.

Hi kamyo,

It took me a while to find it, i already replied last September to Koondense to a very similar question so i quote it here.

Hi Koondense,

It's not a silly question, it's indeed a very interesting one.

I think there's nothing special on Haze males regarding special traits or better quality effects that a good pure Haze female couldn't pass to the offspring.
The key is parental selection and on the genetic combination ability of the different lines being crossed.

The myth of Haze males passing better traits than Haze females comes from Nevil's work. Nevil could only worked extensively with 1 Haze male (male C), as he lost the only pure Haze female he managed to germinate (female B) and he also lost male A before he could produced commercial quantities with him. So at the end, most Nevil's Haze hybrids (the ones that were most widely spread and had more impact in cannabis scene) were derived from his Haze male C.

That's why many think Haze males are more special for breeding than Haze females, a statement that i don't agree (based on my personal experience breeding with Haze females and males).

Sam Skunkman, which is probably the person in the world that has bred with larger Haze populations, bred Fuma con Dios (HazexSkunk) and Fuma con Diablo (Skunk/Haze) for Flying Dutchmen in the late 90s (both were great) and other Haze hybrids, and most of the times he has used Haze females for his Haze hybrids. Must be for a good reason.

The reason is obvious, you can select the best Haze females based on their finished product, but you can only judge the quality of a Haze male based on its offspring (or more rarely by reversing the males, a process that very few breeders do), and in both cases the final proof is always on the testing of the offspring (whether a Haze female or a Haze male is used to produce the hybrids).

At ACE Seeds (with the help of charlie garcia from Cannabiogen) we managed to germinate 40-60 original Haze seeds from Oldtimer (and after that many dozens more from subsequent generations), so we have had much more Haze genetic diversity to explore and to breed with (both on the female and the male side) that Nevil had.

I did select Green Haze #19 and Purple Haze #23 parental plants as the best females from each main pheno. I'm sure better Oldtimer's Haze parental plants can be found if you select through hundreds or thousands of plants, but unfortunately i have never had the chance to go so far and deep with the line, yet i'm very happy with the offspring that these 2 Haze female parental plants produce, both within Oldtimer's Haze line and in outcrosses like Panama Haze, Haze x Kali China, Purple Haze x Malawi, or in our Haze x Thai or Haze x Honduras series. We also released a Nepal Haze strain which was a Nepal highland female crossed with a Haze male, and it was great as well. But as you may know, i have focused my work with Oldtimer's Haze (and its hybrids) mainly on these 2 Haze females.

Summing up, i think there is nothing special on breeding with Haze males that can not be achieved with Haze females, same for any other cannabis strain.

It is much easier to pollinate dozens of different females from different strains with a Haze male for seed production, it can be done in less than 3 months, but to cultivate unseeded Haze females to properly evaluate them takes more than half year.

 

[kamyo]

Thanks! I was pretty sure I'd seen it mentioned before, but smoked some Bubba Hash and forgot everything. Becoming my go-to smoke, especially for evenings. Appreciate you finding the post.