No Big Bang? Quantum equation predicts universe has no beginning

[DrFever]

I told you it was the last two decades I spent with egyptian and syrian jews, who were forced out of the middle east for the same reasons. My own personal experience with extremism is based on American gang culture which I have intimate experience with.

Many of them were privileged and forced out of their country with nothing, same as you and yours, but they don't condemn a genetic pool based on their inability to understand.

Point is, your perception is as I stated earlier. biased by your personal experience.

But I get it and I get you now because of what you shared, and I also apologized earlier because I have always respected your point of view.

But two things happened here, you lowered the bar and you are condemning a people based on behavior as if it were a fixed genetic expression. It is not.

Simply the fastest way to peace will not be the jewish genocide of the muslim peoples of the world, because you cannot weed out the extremist from the non extremist by look alone.

I can tell you how to "profile" them and give you scientific basis that their psychology is not fixed.

There is a basis for what I called manipulation from a 3rd party I am sure you did not verify. But as part of the two regions in conflict and because you fought in them I can respect your bias as being something very difficult to get past.

I am sure it was as hard for Vietnam Vets when they returned here and encountered American Asians.

Our emotions are attached to our memories and in intense events they burn in our mind and when something comes to remind us of the same thing it brings back that intense emotion.

It is the basis upon which PTSD happens. something else I am intimate with.

Not judging you dude. Not critic, just honest observations. Correct me if I am wrong, or ask me to stop, but challenge my logic incompletely and im compelled to be honest.



You haven't met me in real life, many have, I walk the walk I talk the talk. Slander comes at a price and that is not a working of my own desire.



Do you realize how low the real percentage of sociopaths exist in the human race?

Really bad people is not a genetic qualification. The realty bad is born from consequence of environment. This is not to say the extremist has no culpability.

But if you look at all of mankind as a vehicle, the bigger it is, that is the rift between classes, the slower it moves along, like wise the less disparity between classes makes it more agile.

It is not just a hippy vision but something that science is in the process of uncovering if you look at various signs.

One study is from a neurologist who studied addiction to hard drugs, scientifically he proved that even the worst addict will make other choices if they PERCEIVE opportunity.

There is no win win scenario being presented by ANYONE in regards to these conflicts and it is not an uncommon belief among Americans that these wars are being waged for ulterior motives.

The money and lives spent to wage war in the middle east yet there is nothing being spent to aid and educate the those in extreme poverty or displacement.

What does it matter when your born into the world what side your on if you lose all you have?

The contempt in the middle east won't stop, unless something other than violence is used to deal with extremists, but here in America it pays

look at how much we spend to protect our own nation from terrorism. Sure more than Israel. Doesn't add up does it?





Peace

or smart enough to know when im being used

I dont have to justify my stance to myself internally because I have never done very bad things myself, not in the regard to human life, but I know once someone does, they often look through life through a different lens.

The biggest reason I am as vocal as I am about the subject.

As an American I am lucky enough to have lived freely with out having to make the sacrifices that come with war. I didn't run from them, but I didn't do what wasn't required.

I know it has given me a gift, a gift where I can look at life outside of the lens that you look at life through after you have seen what you have seen (I did not life the sheltered life you think which is why I can see it so sharply)

Or at least that is what i treat the sacrifices of those who served hte country. In America you get to see things from a different perspective, and as you touched up on its not all apple pies and baseball. But the military complex is a money machine that has evolved past the control of its keepers. People shouldn't have to die, we shouldn't have to partake in such conflict when there are other tactics that would change the equation.

Not many white nations in the world reaching out trying to sow peace. But sure as shit alot make money on warfare. Look at the American military budget and look at the rest of the worlds in comparison.

But that is something that regardless of evidence, does not seem to interest you.

Extremism is seen as a treatable psychological disease.

I also have a outlook on this based on Christian Judaic philosophy but im not trying to go there.

Big bang thread for what its worth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extremism
Psychological

Among the explanations for extremism is one that views it as a plague.[2] Arno Gruen said, "The lack of identity associated with extremists is the result of self-destructive self-hatred that leads to feelings of revenge toward life itself, and a compulsion to kill one’s own humanness." Thus extremism is seen as not a tactic, nor an ideology, but as a pathological illness which feeds on the destruction of life.[2] Dr. Kathleen Taylor believes Muslim fundamentalism is a mental illness and that is “curable.”[8]
Another view is that extremism is an emotional outlet for severe feelings stemming from "persistent experiences of oppression, insecurity, humiliation, resentment, loss, and rage" which are presumed to "lead individuals and groups to adopt conflict engagement strategies which “fit” or feel consistent with these experiences".[2]
Extremism is however seen by other researchers as a "rational strategy in a game over power".[2] See for instance the works of Eli Berman.[/QUOTE]


You are wrong in many ways there first of all you label Muslim as extremest , the real truth of the matter is England and USA including Russia really threw a fuck in that region after second world war
Would you not become a extremest if lets say china's army came knocking on your door and said listen you got 2 hrs to clear out of your property we are relocating you to Siberia and your family if you do not comply we will kill you and your family ,,
So now your in Siberia pissed right off
well that is what has happened in middle east literally thanks to mainly England and USA To be honest
You mention as a American i bet your really living the dream ?? Aren't you >>>> You don't even realize the government is manipulating and controlling you you mention how much there spending on terrorism , can i ask you what terrorism has happened and please don't use the twin tower BS I thought you were smart anyone can see that was done by your own corrupt government
How can a country start a war with out peoples backing Simple plan a attack on your own get it done blame another country and go and start it you think ???
home land security was introduced really for civilian control laws put in place that give them more power and you less lets see what they control on you already TV, radio , food , income your health hell you know they can put you in jail for no reason hold you there for life if they wanted with out a charge so please

 

[mojave green]

religious threads tend to go in this direction, a lot
take a step back and think about it
no one here is an evil asshole, it's the topic that draws us to a bad place
which is rather ironic, as religion does have different goals from that
from what i've read and seen, we're genetically wired to be religious.]QUOTE

i don't think it is a "bad place" as much as it is the result of the facelessness of this form of communication. you get no visual clues, no sense of the underlying feelings beyond the starkness of the printed word. religious/political discussions in this format seem to suffer from the same problems that politics in the US do-it has become a "win or lose" game instead of "win-win" or "live & let live"...sad.

religious discussions most often turn this way face to face as well.

 

[mr.brunch]

Ah,YES!how could I forget!!Monty Python's The Meaning of life suites this thread perfectly! this made my day!

It did!
Seems to have gone more 'life of Brian ' now tho ...

 

[igrowone]

religious discussions most often turn this way face to face as well.

yeah, in some ways we're moving to more civilized behavior
a verbal ass ripping as opposed to an actual disemboweling

 

[Weird]

No I used the term Muslim extremist, that is an extremist who CLAIMS to be Muslim.

I am not so unintelligent that I would judge a whole of a people on a few representatives.

, the real truth of the matter is England and USA including Russia really threw a fuck in that region after second world war

Watch the power principle it covers this history of world conflict from before wwII and ties all the players together, shows the motivations, proves the connects, and shows the manipulation.

The CIA senate committee meetings are real, the facts are irrefutable.

Would you not become a extremest if lets say china's army came knocking on your door and said listen you got 2 hrs to clear out of your property we are relocating you to Siberia and your family if you do not comply we will kill you and your family ,,
So now your in Siberia pissed right off
well that is what has happened in middle east literally thanks to mainly England and USA To be honest

I don't know if you noticed I argue for humanity REGARDLESS

who the fuck cares if it is an israeli, arab or african kid dying, which one deserves that as an inheritance based on any beleif?

Most white europeans and americans aren't so concerned unless they are humanitarians which is a big part of the TRUE religious sector.

The power principle also touches on how governments and the media PROGRAM what you are exposed to, how the information is manipulated to control you.

You mention as a American i bet your really living the dream ?? Aren't you >>>> You don't even realize the government is manipulating and controlling you you mention how much there spending on terrorism , can i ask you what terrorism has happened and please don't use the twin tower BS I thought you were smart anyone can see that was done by your own corrupt government

dude read my posts I made this very argument to bombadil from the very beginning.

How can a country start a war with out peoples backing Simple plan a attack on your own get it done blame another country and go and start it you think ???
home land security was introduced really for civilian control laws put in place that give them more power and you less lets see what they control on you already TV, radio , food , income your health hell you know they can put you in jail for no reason hold you there for life if they wanted with out a charge so please

the american military complex is what this all all about, even the fucking nitrogen people use to grow which is causing huge ecological issues such as ocean nitrification are biproducts of the american military complex

nitrogen was left over after making munitions and they saw the effects on plants and repacked munitions waste as as fertilizer so the companies making money on the war made more, even better they are tied to the petroleum companies.

 

[armedoldhippy]

religious discussions most often turn this way face to face as well.

everyones life experiences are different. if you approach a conversation with the attitude of "I'm gonna change this guys mind, i'll OWN the fool!" then yeah, it is pretty much inevitable.
if you go into it wanting to understand their viewpoint instead of insisting on telling them that they have their head lodged where the fucking sun don't shine, most folks react better. be polite & respectful of others, you normally get that in return. if you don't, then you were talking to the wrong person to begin with. no one wins a debate, it matters not how many rep points that folks that agree with you pile on...

 

[BlueBlazer]

It did!
Seems to have gone more 'life of Brian ' now tho ...

I love that movie! My favorite bit:

Brian: I'm not the Messiah! Will you please listen? I am not the Messiah, do you understand? Honestly!

Girl: Only the true Messiah denies His divinity.

Brian: What? Well, what sort of chance does that give me? All right! I am the Messiah!

Followers: He is! He is the Messiah!

Brian: Now, fuck off!

[silence]

Arthur: How shall we fuck off, O Lord?

 

[mr.brunch]

Damn good film!
" he has given us a sign, he has given us... A shoe!"

 

[mojave green]

ya made me do it: the mormon bomb!

ya made me do it: the mormon bomb!

mormon's have always believed in no beginning and no end.

Howbeit that he made the greater star; as, also, if there be two spirits, and one shall be more intelligent than the other, yet these two spirits, notwithstanding one is more intelligent than the other, have no beginning; they existed before, they shall have no end, they shall exist after, for they are gnolaum, or eternal.

flame on bro's!

 

[genedigger]

hey weird have you ever read the quran?i cant find the same love thats spoke about in some other religious material.theres a big dif between submission and love

 

[DrFever]

I love that movie! My favorite bit:

Brian: I'm not the Messiah! Will you please listen? I am not the Messiah, do you understand? Honestly!

Girl: Only the true Messiah denies His divinity.

Brian: What? Well, what sort of chance does that give me? All right! I am the Messiah!

Followers: He is! He is the Messiah!

Brian: Now, fuck off!

[silence]

Arthur: How shall we fuck off, O Lord?



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ALWAYS LOOK ON THE BRIGHT SIDE OF DEATH LOL LIFES A PIECE OF SHIT WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRJlo2WRDbw

 

[Space Toker]

Big bang? well had one of those in my pants just now! Seriously, find it hard to believe there is any REAL evidence to dispute it (other than non-evidence like religious nutjobs spewing nonsense) ebut will have to check out this thread from the beginning for sure, I know the quantam world is strange and goes against what we all percieve let alone physics, so if for real it could be profound, will have to catch up and view links for sure!

 

[Weird]

grizzelda?

 

[Space Toker]

huh? sounds intriguing though!

 

[Weird]

mp reference

jabber wockey

 

[Skinny Leaf]

We are a giant snow globe.

Ya'll believe what you want I am waiting for the big shake.

 

[RetroGrow]

hey weird have you ever read the quran?i cant find the same love thats spoke about in some other religious material.theres a big dif between submission and love

The Quran is not that much different from the old testament. Lots of killing, smiting, and barbarianism. Ignorance will do that. I am coming out with my own lines of designer toilet paper, one with the bible and one with the quran. All they are good for is wiping your ass. Anyone who believes in either of them is a fool. Superstition is the most powerful force in the universe. People are suggestible, and you are a prime example.
Special discount on my toilet paper for creationists.

 

[RetroGrow]

No it does not.

Well, I took three years of Latin, and have a degree in psychology, and I also can quote Wikipedia:

"The word psychology literally means, "study of the soul" (ψυχή psukhē, "breath, spirit, soul" and -λογία -logia, "study of" or "research"). The Latin word psychologia was first used by the Croatian humanist and Latinist Marko Marulić in his book, Psichiologia de ratione animae humanae in the late 15th century or early 16th century. The earliest known reference to the word psychology in English was by Steven Blankaart in 1694 in The Physical Dictionary which refers to "Anatomy, which treats the Body, and Psychology, which treats of the Soul."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychology

 

[RetroGrow]

News about the "Reclusive Deity".....there isn't any:

"NEW YORK—Leading writers, scholars, and publishers gathered this week at Fordham University for a literary conference and panel discussion on God, the widely praised but reclusive deity who has not published a book since His landmark debut 2,000 years ago.

Hailed by critics as one of the most important authors in recent millennia, the eccentric divinity is said to have long ago retreated from the public eye, eschewing a life of celebrity for one of solitude and quiet. To this day, experts confirmed, His artistic reputation rests exclusively upon His bestselling and highly acclaimed first work, the Bible.

“God has granted no interviews, made no public appearances, and kept entirely to Himself for what seems like ages, and yet it’s fair to say that no other author has been quite so influential,” said noted critic and conference attendee James Wood, observing that while the fiercely private immortal being has only one book to His credit, He remains among the world’s most respected and quoted writers. “For many readers, God’s writing had a transformative impact on their lives, and countless people list His book among their favorite titles. But for reasons that we can only speculate about, God has chosen to stay out of the limelight and let His words speak for themselves. Perhaps it is God’s retreat into His own world that allowed Him to render His vision so vividly on the page.”

“It’s also possible that, with the first book, He simply said everything He had to say,” Wood continued. “Though one would think a writer of such impressive knowledge and power would never lack for inspiration.”

Many within the literary community suggested that God might well have become a victim of His own success, arguing that the enormous pressure to write a book as well-loved as the Bible—to which any new work of His would inevitably be compared—had simply proved too daunting. Regardless of His reasons, experts agreed that the Supreme Being’s public absence had only added to His mystique.

According to publishers, who predict that the Bible will remain in print for many years to come, the popularity of the famously secretive deity remains so high that just about anything new He released would be an instant commercial success.

“Certainly in the book business we’ve been wondering for a very long time what He’s been up to, whether or not He’s still writing,” said publishing executive Sandra Eakins, who brushed aside concerns that a lackluster follow-up to the Bible might damage God’s reputation. “Maybe He writes for His own pleasure and has no desire to publish anything new. I can respect that, but at the same time, it’s a tragedy for His readers.”

“We’d absolutely love to see more stories, psalms, epistles—anything He has,” Eakins continued. “In His first book, He created this dense, sprawling, multifaceted universe, and there are readers out there clamoring to know what’s happened to all those characters since the Bible ended.”

Eakins said the Lord Almighty retains an incredibly loyal international readership and, to this day, His writing continues to attract legions of devotees. Since the time of the Bible’s first publication, when God was heralded by critics as a promising new talent, successive generations of booklovers have reportedly found themselves returning again and again to what they regard as a timeless and enduring classic.

Many of God’s most ardent fans still make regular attempts to contact Him, sources said, despite the fact that the reclusive being is infamous for never responding.

“It’s understandably very difficult for people to accept that a deity could create an epic as complex, beautiful, strange, and enduring as the Bible, and then just stop writing altogether—cutting off all ties and making Himself completely inaccessible,” said Professor Charles Boutwell, a panelist at the conference and a self-proclaimed admirer of the God of Heaven and Earth. “However, the qualities that make God so mysterious to us are the very same qualities that make Him such a unique voice.”

“It’s natural to want more,” Boutwell added. “But in the end, maybe God only had the one Bible in him.”

http://www.theonion.com/articles/reclusive-deity-hasnt-written-a-new-book-in-2000-y,36936/

Yup, only one book, and not a single response to trillions of prayers. If only the "deity" would show his face, or appear on "Ellen"......then I would be a believer.

 

[Mad Lab]

talk about shoving our beliefs down someones throat.

Retro, you do that quite well. And the know it all without a doubt attitude sure is appealing.

if you look at every post i have made i have not preached anything, until you made an unintelligent comment regarding my beliefs that was incorrect, so i corrected you.

but you claim i am a preacher, and i came here just to preach. funny, you sound more like the bible thumping evangelists that you claim i am, but sponsoring.. well not much but you get what im saying.

but you dont really preach anything that can really be any help to anyone can you?

i love how atheists think that if everyone was an atheist, that it would fix mankind, because religion is the only thing wrong with it. lol. but theres not much logic in that.


you could be polite about expressing your beliefs and evaluating others, like weird, gene, etc but instead you choose to act like an overgrown child and a dick. then you claim that you have a degree in psychology. not denying that, but if thats true, what a waste is all im thinking.

you lack social skills. if your mom raised you in a cage, im sorry for that buddy, and im sure you really DO know-it-all, but lets just pipe down and be a decent human being.