No Big Bang? Quantum equation predicts universe has no beginning

[RetroGrow]

if you look at every post i have made i have not preached anything, until you made an unintelligent comment regarding my beliefs that was incorrect, so i corrected you.

The only reason I am responding to your inanities is because you are a stone cold liar, and twist and distort the truth at every turn. You have been preaching non-stop, mentioning your fairy tale, false god dozens of times. You have an agenda, and that is to preach in the name of your imaginary lord. This is insulting to any thinking individual. Any nitwit can regurgitate nonsense about fairy tales they believe in. Try coming up with an original thought for once in your life. You have insulted several individuals who don't share your childish superstitions.

but you claim i am a preacher, and i came here just to preach.

Yup. That's what you have been doing throughout, and still continue. Preach, preach, preach. Jesus, Jesus, Jesus. Over & over & over & over again & again & again. You believe you are preaching the "word of god", but you are just parroting the words of the superstitious who came before you. Not an original thought, and not a shred of proof or reason.

i love how atheists think that if everyone was an atheist, that it would fix mankind, because religion is the only thing wrong with it.

No one said that at all, certainly not me. Unlike you, I don't pretend to have all the answers. No one said that atheism would fix the world, but it certainly would make it a better and more peaceful place to live. You are consumed by your agenda, and hence, nothing you say has any meaning, as you are delusional. After all, you are in communication with the deity, and the rest of us are just lost souls. The arrogance of belief!

you claim that you have a degree in psychology.

I do have a degree in psychology, and could not care less if you believe it or not. After all, you believe in witchcraft. You are a joke to me,and when you question my education, it is laughable, as you are unable to communicate in reasonably decent English, and logic and reason are out the door with you.

 

[Mad Lab]

No one said that at all, certainly not me. Unlike you, I don't pretend to have all the answers. No one said that atheism would fix the world, but it certainly would make it a better and more peaceful place to live. You are consumed by your agenda, and hence, nothing you say has any meaning, as you are delusional. After all, you are in communication with the deity, and the rest of us are just lost souls. The arrogance of belief!

Sure you did.

And yes you do pretend to have all the answers. Me? no, i never said anything of the like. I even admitted it is POSSIBLE for my belief system to be incorrect, have you?

Im not consumed. you obviously think every Christian is consumed by their agenda. you are being prejudice is all. you assume that my beliefs make me prejudice to all other religions or belief systems but that is untrue.

nothing you have said has been meaningful. can you think of anything? noone else here can unless there agree with your prejudicial statements towards Christianity.

I doubt anything i said could be construed as delusional.

I never said anyone was a lost soul. please reference that for me. you cant reference any other claims.

The arrogance of belief. exactly Retro. couldnt have said it better myself. Mr. know it all over here.

lol your humorous at best.

Also, great job at your poor english as well. Stick to working on your english and psychology, because any truer form of science is likely out of your league.

every scientific statement youve made has been incorrect.

still think evolution is not a theory? its just a fact right? haha joker. dont know what scientific theory and fact are? once again, its both. can you recall any valid statements regarding science youve made? i can only think of you telling everyone they are wrong and you are right.

 

[DrFever]

Anyone can clearly see its all BS Gods lmao shit if any gods should be real why not Egyptian Gods ???? they were well before your Jesus fucking Christ was hahaha 3100 BC years before to be exact hell they even interacted with them in temples if we look today and to be honest they were a much better advanced civilization

 

[RetroGrow]

Scientists just discovered 2 never-before-seen particles, and they're refining our un

Scientists just discovered 2 never-before-seen particles, and they're refining our un

Now, if the Jesus freaks and creationists could keep their superstitions to themselves, as they should in a "scientific" discussion, perhaps we could get back to science. There is a new and important development in the world of physics: the recent discovery of two new particles:

"Scientists just announced the discovery of two never-before-seen particles hiding inside data collected by the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) in Switzerland.

The LHC is a 17-mile-long underground tunnel that hurls protons at each other at incredible speeds. Physicists study the particles that they break apart into.

Physicists predicted the existence of these two new particles a few years ago, but we had no hard evidence that they existed until now.
The two new particles reinforce the standard model of physics, which is a working theory that describes all the known particles in the universe. The discovery of the particles is also helping physicists learn more about one of the fundamental forces in the universe, strong force, which acts like glue and hold particles together. The research was published on Feb. 10 in the journal Physical Review Letters.

The two new particles are named Xib'- and Xib*- (pronounced “zi-b-prime” and “zi-b-star,” Scientific American points out). Both Xib-and Xib*- are a type of particle called a baryon.

Baryons include familiar particles like protons and neutrons, which are held together by strong force. (The other fundamental forces in the universe are gravity, electromagnetism, and weak force. Strong force holds particles together; weak force makes particles decay.) Scientists understand the basic theory of strong force, and they can use the theory to estimate the sizes and masses of different baryons. But the mathematical equations behind strong force are incredibly complex.

That's because the particles they apply to have some wacky characteristics. Part of a baryon's mass can spontaneously burst into and out of existence.This weird flux makes it difficult to use strong force to predict their mass. Physicists test their predictions against real data collected by particle accelerators like the LHC to see if they're on the right track.

For these particular particles, the actual mass measurements from the LHC data agreed with the masses that physicists had already predicted. The two new particles are each about six times larger than a proton, according to a press release from CERN, the home of the LHC. For physicists, this result is more evidence that they're on the right track when it comes to understanding strong force.

That also means that these two new particles are perfectly in line with the standard model of physics. But the standard model is far from perfect, and physicists are constantly revising it. One of its weaknesses is it doesn't do a good job of explaining how the other fundamental forces interact with each other. It also doesn't account for dark matter — the mysterious (and so far undetectable) substance that physicists believe makes up about one-quarter of the universe.

But before physicists can discover new physics beyond the standard model, they need a firm grasp on the principles that we already know about, and that's why the discovery of these new particles is important.

The famous LHC that brought us the Higgs boson will be up and running again in March, and it'll be hurling protons at each other faster than ever before. Physicists hope the higher-energy collisions will reveal new, exotic particles that further challenge the standard model and maybe even provide us with a new theory that could account for dark matter."

http://www.businessinsider.com/2-new-particles-discovered-in-large-hadron-collider-2015-2

 

[Mad Lab]

Anyone can clearly see its all BS Gods lmao shit if any gods should be real why not Egyptian Gods ???? they were well before your Jesus fucking Christ was hahaha 3100 BC years before to be exact hell they even interacted with them in temples if we look today and to be honest they were a much better advanced civilization

not really a good argument.

if your interested in christian debate, study it first. you will answer most of your questions on your own. if you still wish to attempt to dismantle a christians belief system, you will be much more equipt to do so.

i really encourage you to reach the point of good conversation such as weird. he isnt a christian, obviously, but his questions and statements were intelligent and appropriate.

 

[DrFever]

Mad lab The mortal enemy of faith is knowledge, a scientific fact that has been demonstrated by researchers at the University of British Columbia. The basis of any religion is that you must believe something someone else tells you is true, even though your mind tells you it is false and it makes no sense to you. There is name for that: fideism. Without fideism -- "exclusive reliance in religious matters upon faith, with consequent rejection of appeals to science or philosophy." -- the concept of religion would not exist.

 

[armedoldhippy]

In the goverments hands no good would come from it, everything they get involved in turns to shit.

yeah, those morons could (and WOULD) fuck up a doughnut...

 

[Mad Lab]

Mad lab The mortal enemy of faith is knowledge, a scientific fact that has been demonstrated by researchers at the University of British Columbia. The basis of any religion is that you must believe something someone else tells you is true, even though your mind tells you it is false and it makes no sense to you. There is name for that: fideism. Without fideism -- "exclusive reliance in religious matters upon faith, with consequent rejection of appeals to science or philosophy." -- the concept of religion would not exist.

The same amount of faith is put into science. it becomes a religion, as we see with Retro. There is no room for anything else. and if there are things we cant measure with scientific methods, then they just dont exist? no, we just havent figured out how to measure them yet, doesnt mean they are not real.

Scientism is belief in the universal applicability of the scientific method and approach, and the view that empirical science constitutes the most authoritative worldview or most valuable part of human learning to the exclusion of other viewpoints. Accordingly, philosopher Tom Sorell provides this definition of scientism: "Scientism is a matter of putting too high a value on natural science in comparison with other branches of learning or culture."[1] It has been defined as "the view that the characteristic inductive methods of the natural sciences are the only source of genuine factual knowledge and, in particular, that they alone can yield true knowledge about man and society."[2] The term scientism frequently implies a critique of the more extreme expressions of logical positivism[3][4] and has been used by social scientists such as Friedrich Hayek,[5] philosophers of science such as Karl Popper,[6] and philosophers such as Hilary Putnam[7] and Tzvetan Todorov[8] to describe the dogmatic endorsement of scientific methodology and the reduction of all knowledge to only that which is measurable.[9] "Scientism" has also been taken over as a name for the view that science is the only reliable source of knowledge by philosophers such as Alexander Rosenberg.[10]

 

[armedoldhippy]

Mad lab The mortal enemy of faith is knowledge, a scientific fact that has been demonstrated by researchers at the University of British Columbia. The basis of any religion is that you must believe something someone else tells you is true, even though your mind tells you it is false and it makes no sense to you. There is name for that: fideism. Without fideism -- "exclusive reliance in religious matters upon faith, with consequent rejection of appeals to science or philosophy." -- the concept of religion would not exist.

nope. lots of scientists are also religious. your argument is thus patently false... faith & knowledge are not mutually exclusive. you quite obviously WISH it to be so, so I take your attempts at "proving" it to us with more than a grain or two of salt.

 

[RetroGrow]

Scientists are subject to the same brainwashing and superstitions as the ignorant, although to a much lessor extent. And no scientist would attempt to prove an absurdity. You cannot "prove" a negative, ie, that gods, unicorns, bigfoot, ghosts, etc., don't exist. Reason suggests that these myths are not true, but this cannot be proven.

 

[Midwest sticky]

^^ unicorns aren't real? Next you'll be telling me Santa isn't real either.
Can you prove theres no god? Oh wait that's right you can't, just like no one can prove there is. Why does it piss you off so much that people believe in things you don't?
And that post about the two never before seen particles is interesting I'm going to have to check that out.

 

[GMT]

OK weird, let's do this. It will kill god in front of peoples eyes rather than offering tongue in cheek humourous responses to lighten the mood. You want gnostics, let's go.
I mentioned the academy already, let's discuss how the form of the good became referenced as god by those who actually created what we call Christianity today. Let's go into the 4 levels of understanding, which became the difference between the changing material world and the unchanging eternal one.

 

[DrFever]

not really a good argument.

if your interested in christian debate, study it first. you will answer most of your questions on your own. if you still wish to attempt to dismantle a christians belief system, you will be much more equipt to do so.

i really encourage you to reach the point of good conversation such as weird. he isnt a christian, obviously, but his questions and statements were intelligent and appropriate.

In your mind its not but why ???? Also The mortal enemy of faith is knowledge, a scientific fact that has been demonstrated by researchers at the University of British Columbia. The basis of any religion is that you must believe something someone else tells you is true, even though your mind tells you it is false and it makes no sense to you. There is name for that: fideism. Without fideism -- "exclusive reliance in religious matters upon faith, with consequent rejection of appeals to science or philosophy." -- the concept of religion would not exist.

but hey i challenge your religious roots explain to me why the "devil" was not present in religious texts until the nomadic monotheists ran into polytheists and borrowed the idea ???
In the case of the Bible, often entire verses, stories, and anecdotes were falsified for the sake of making a point. Even the concept of the "holy trinity" is a fabrication created not by any god, but for political reasons by a zealot named Theophilus of of Antioch in 412 AD. Exploit the plot holes, inconsistencies and illogical and impossible things.

 

[DrFever]

Owe here is another one i forgot mad could you please explain to us what happens after death ???What happened before you were born? Nothing in the Bible says anything about this.
What about near-death or death experiences that many people have related, and why many never speak of seeing any "heaven," "god," "angels" or anything of the sort
but the sad truth is you believe your God is omnipotent, and can do anything. Problem is, if your God can do anything but doesn't lift a finger to stop all the disasters, massacres and wars that have happened, are happening now and will happen in the future,??? Then your God is also a psychopath who enjoys watching our misery. This is because in the Bible God says he allows individual freedom of choice ("free moral agency") and will tolerate evil choices until you die or he returns to judge all things and right its wrongs.
However, if the Christian God is not omniscient or omnipotent... well, in that case your God is not a "god" and doesn't exist.

 

[RetroGrow]

Why does it piss you off so much that people believe in things you don't?

It doesn't piss me off at all. People can believe in whatever nonsense they want. Doesn't confront me. What does piss me off is when superstitious nitwits try to push their beliefs on me, preaching, and acting as though there was something scientific about it. Superstition/mythology have no place in a discussion about things scientific. Creationists like genedigger, who feel threatened by evolution, are brainwashed cretins, who won't even admit which evangelical cult they belong to. Creationists belong in the middle ages, not in the modern world. We already know the world isn't flat, that it wasn't "created" 6000 years ago. We know dinosaurs existed. It's not open to argument.

 

[Midwest sticky]

Fair enough.
What would be cool is if our universe was just a single molecule of another living thing, I wonder if that's possible?

 

[armedoldhippy]

It doesn't piss me off at all. (you sure act mad) People can believe in whatever nonsense they want. (absolutely true, for ALL of us) Doesn't confront me. What does piss me off is when superstitious nitwits try to push their beliefs on me, preaching, and acting as though there was something scientific about it. Superstition/mythology have no place in a discussion about things scientific. ( YOUR definition of religion)Creationists like genedigger, who feel threatened by evolution, are brainwashed cretins, (opinion, and poorly expressed) who won't even admit which evangelical cult they belong to. ( he is not evangelical, I can tell you that.) Creationists belong in the middle ages, not in the modern world. We already know the world isn't flat, that it wasn't "created" 6000 years ago. We know dinosaurs existed. It's not open to argument. ( I agree with the rest of it)

opinions expressed inside of interior quotation marks strictly my own. yours, of course, may vary.

 

[DrFever]

Fair enough.
What would be cool is if our universe was just a single molecule of another living thing, I wonder if that's possible?

TBO i thought of that from time to time that we are living in a host
like some sort of bacteria

 

[armedoldhippy]

TBO i thought of that from time to time that we are living in a host
like some sort of bacteria

I would be more worried that we are a mole with a dark spot on it that is about to be excised for the hosts safety. in relation to what is out there, we are less than....well, I don't know how to express such a small percentage.

 

[Midwest sticky]

^^ that's similar to what I meant about humanity being spider mites.