No Big Bang? Quantum equation predicts universe has no beginning

[Jericho Mile]

i get it. im a christian and believe in fairy tales, so people think thats stupid. but my beliefs include me being persecuted for expressing them, i knew that going in. so no biggie.


but listen to yourself buddy. you dont sound intelligent or like a pleasant human being. you sound almost worse than Dr Fev or Retro. why not stop making others with your belief system look bad? i get it, my fellow christians do the same, give us a bad name. but im talking about you right now, how bout be pleasant and debate like an adult.

There is nothing for you to "get"....get it? It's not a debate.

and your insults about my lack of intelligence or overall unpleasantness are uncalled for. I don't know you...where'd you crawl out of? I know the other dudes I'm talking to...but you...you are just beating the holy drum...which..means we have nothing to speak about...to each other. Unless..you know...you want to brief me in on world history or the power of your god...then yeah...you'll hit the pulpit and speak in tongues and I'll attempt to care or decipher. Otherwise....??????? turn the other cheek...like a good boy..and hit your ignore switch

something tells me....that's impossible for you though. so hamster on...spin it roller

 

[armedoldhippy]

"culling the herd" toward whose benefit? and who gets to make the choices? working solely toward intelligence gives you people that cannot tie their own shoes nor farm their own food. (we already HAVE people like that) who is going to take care of them? Einstein had to have someone watching him during his work in the US on the Manhattan project for fear he would kill himself accidentally, and he very nearly succeeded. his caretaker went to use the bathroom or something, came back out & good ol' Albert was down on the floor taking a wall plug apart with a screwdriver trying to figure out how it worked. breeding pot solely for high THC content nearly eradicated CBD, possibly a FAR more valuable medical potential. ALL depths of the gene pool need to be kept in play, if for no other reason than our amusement at their follies...as Weird said, "hybridization" is the key. pure strains must be kept as well, for you never know what combination will be needed.

 

[Jericho Mile]

I will say this

Tom and Jericho, based on the amount of rep I have gotten from you tow in the past and based on the posts that earned it, I felt I could objectively discuss your perspectives here without offending. Apparently my understanding, desire and the outcome were not consistent and for this I apologize.

We all suffer from the human condition, we are all effected by our beliefs and there should be an objective shame based on this.

You can pay a business coach a few hundred dollars and hour to tell you how your limiting beliefs are effecting you or you can see a shrink or you can hear it on a message board.

You can't avoid that fact that we all have assholes, you me and everyone else.

If you can't question your own beliefs then there is a flaw in your ego, it is over inflated past the point of reality.

I say this as someone who respects you both and offer it as a tool not a weapon.

I'll drop it...broham.

I have much respect for you. Your thread deserves its respect..as well. Ego is such a liar...yet...it's the mind's voice...and often..even as I've struggled against its influences...it has gotten me over many a steep hill...run many hard miles on ego alone. To be dishonest...would be to say...that I am in complete control of it....or further...to say that I don't sometimes call upon its powers. I am blunt.

We are not unalike anyways. We both grow our own foods and both are understanding of our health...and I doubt very much...that either of us care much for the system we have been born into. I didn't come in here...to fuck you over or piss you off.

I apologize for anything I said..out of line.

* not to you waveguide. not to you. nothing for you. curr

peace pot micro dot...

 

[igrowone]

religious threads tend to go in this direction, a lot
take a step back and think about it
no one here is an evil asshole, it's the topic that draws us to a bad place
which is rather ironic, as religion does have different goals from that
from what i've read and seen, we're genetically wired to be religious

 

[armedoldhippy]

religious threads tend to go in this direction, a lot
take a step back and think about it
no one here is an evil asshole, it's the topic that draws us to a bad place
which is rather ironic, as religion does have different goals from that
from what i've read and seen, we're genetically wired to be religious.]QUOTE

i don't think it is a "bad place" as much as it is the result of the facelessness of this form of communication. you get no visual clues, no sense of the underlying feelings beyond the starkness of the printed word. religious/political discussions in this format seem to suffer from the same problems that politics in the US do-it has become a "win or lose" game instead of "win-win" or "live & let live"...sad.

 

[bombadil.360]

Weird,

It is obvious to me you merely speak of the Middle East from info you can find on the web, but not from actual experience, that's the problem.

It is also obvious you have these idealised expectations of people, and it is clear that you hide in those idealizations out of fear as you don't want to see humanity for what it is instead of how you wanted it to appear.

You missed the point of my post, but let me give you a hint: every day, all over the world, there are really bad people, that cannot be reasoned with, regardless of your expectations, and such people are that way because that is their nature, they don't love to do bad things because the "illuminati" are manipulating them, but because for them, doing those things satisfies them, gives them pleasure.

Of course, you have some bs justification for these people, which are a big number in the world, you really wished people did not enjoy stealing public funds, or killing people of different beliefs, but sadly that is how it is...you can run and hide all you want from these facts, you can come up with all kinds of scape-goats to justify to yourself that everyone is really a good person, shit, I don't care, you are free to do so, but you won't convince people who have seen the reality on the ground, the irrational hate in the eyes of people, how some even derive pleasure from the suffering of their own children, and these people are not a minority, you are just too scared to look.

Peace

 

[minds_I]

Buahahahaha,

Hello all, I think you are all stoned.

As if any one person here ( or anywhere else for that matter) has an absolute unifying truth that should apply to everyone everywhere without exception.

Buahaha you guys are stoned to be sure.

Anyway, in before the bin.

minds_I

 

[shithawk420]

I second that Minds!in before bin.let's all just try to get a bong.Anyone who says they know the absolute truth or has all the answers is a fucking liar and is either trying to sell you shit or trying to fucking use you for their own fucking agenda.I'm convinced we are all insane,because we somehow expect diffent results when we keep on doing the same exact thing.history is proof in the pudding

 

[RetroGrow]

psychology is study of the mind relative to self

The word psychology literally means, "study of the soul".
It also has much broader and multifaceted meanings.

there is no science that is focused on humanity,

Actually, there is:
It's called "BACHELOR OF SCIENCE IN HUMAN SERVICES".
A very brief synopsis:
Mother Theresa once said "To keep a lamp burning, we have to keep putting oil in it." A dedicated human services professional fuels the human spirit through the highly-respected work of helping those in need. Earning a bachelor's in human services degree is an important first step for anyone who is looking to pursue a career in this field."

This degree is available at Post University. It is VERY expensive.
http://www.post.edu/maincampus/humanservices.shtml

Note: this is not based on religion, but rather humanity.

 

[RetroGrow]

i get it. im a christian and believe in fairy tales, so people think thats stupid. but my beliefs include me being persecuted for expressing

Poor persecuted boy.....wow!...that makes you just like Jesus! Newsflash: believing in fairy tales IS stupid.

but listen to yourself buddy. you dont sound intelligent or like a pleasant human being. you sound almost worse than Dr Fev or Retro.

How would you know, since you are profoundly challenged in that area? Typical of your ilk: narrow minded, judgmental, holier than thou, finger pointing, arrogant, "my god is better than your god", fatuous, self centered, and believing you communicate with deities, and thus are enlightened by your superstitions, which in reality are nothing but fools gold, but precious to you nonetheless, as that's all you got: regurgitating the nonsense to which you subscribe, like a cow chewing it's cud. No insult to the cow intended. The cancer of arrogant belief has taken over your sad excuse for a soul, and makes you sound like a pompous ass. The insane asylums are filled with people who think they are god. But, of all these tens of thousands of gods, you, in your superiority, have discovered the one, "true" god, validated by yourself.
Too funny! You subscribe to witchcraft, yet you want to plaster the scarlet letter on others who don't share your fantasies. How fitting......

 

[RetroGrow]

i simply abhor evolution

Yes, because it effectively negates your regurgitated, Christian fundamentalist creationism, the root of all ignorance all along the bible belt. Have you ever wondered why the bible belt states are at the bottom of the barrel in every measurable category? Of course not, as it's "home" for you. You fear that which you have been brainwashed not to understand. Truly pitiful.

 

[genedigger]

i dig that, the bible belt huh? i never professed to be anything i just dont like evolution.

 

[BlueBlazer]

There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable.

There is another theory which states that this has already happened.

~ Douglas Adams

 

[Mad Lab]

But asking from a christian perspective? Do you really think that a god who would break his perfect son so the imperfect could choose to know him would keep anyone from his kingdom?

This is where i have a problem with most Christians, they are ready to condemn anyone at anytime, because obviously everyone is always a sinner, including the Christian.

Personally, If anyone asks me if I think they will go to "hell" for doing this or that, or simply not accepting Jesus, I tell them i'm not in the position to condemn you. I have NO CLUE.

if they ask me if my "God" will reject buddhists who have lived a mostly righteous, once again, i have no clue, but if i know anything about the God i worship, i doubt he wouldnt accept them into "heaven".

Who will bring a charge against God's elect? God is the one who justifies -Romans 8:33

While I think he is accepting, it isnt logical if he was who i suggested the christian deity to be, if he did communicate a message of universal truths and advice for mankind to live in harmony, to send mixed messages. Theologies: one must be more right than the other assuming universal truths for mankind exist.

Would he create Buddhists to be in delusion for the benefit of Jew and Gentile?

I'm not sure i would say he "created" Buddhists. I think "God" wanted to create (as we do) a material universe and possibly engineered laws to govern this universe. I believe he knew what the creations would do, based on the fact the laws are laws, and have the same end result, except for the small miracles. this evolution ended with intelligent lifeforms, made in the image of the creator "agent" with self awareness and choice.

So because Buddhism is (exists), I not sure I would say God created it as opposed to allowed man to create it. And If we say god created or god is real to pose the very question you did, that means there is a god and Buddha claiming no god is false, therefore buddha was not enlightened by the one true god.

The comment I made about authority is simple. No man knows the truth. No man knows the meaning of life. No man knows the universal truths. No man knows a perfect philosophy...

They can guess, and through much time on this earth their wisdom can give them a much better idea, but they can truly never know. And that is something I think man attempts to internally bury, but it still eats at him his whole life.

Jesus stated he was the son of god, and the scriptures say he proved it, and the masses believed it.

For many years I said ,"Jesus is a great philosopher, just like Buddha, but i dont know about the whole God thing". As many people say to me all the time.

Then i dissected the philosophy of Jesus, all of it, trying to disprove any piece of advice given. once i realized i agreed with 100% , i looked at the son of god claims more closely.

It is likely Jesus was a real person.

It is almost certain that if the claims made by Jesus would have resulted in an earlier execution.

The spread of the philosophy and scriptures was something the Roman army could not contain it was so powerful.

The fact Jesus is the most recognized "popular" man in history. another good reason to double check the claims... noone else in history has made as large of an impact.

Proverbs states we should seek wisdom in the world, buddhism contains a wealth.

Im a big fan of Buddha. But as a philosophy, not a religion or theology. More of my opinion of Jesus a few years ago. I cant comprehend karma and reincarnation without the creators seal. Im not sure what 'seal' would be enough, but thats if it even had a deity. If it had a deity, I would give Buddhism a much closer look. And i spent alot of time with Buddha text, but it wasnt enough, being a good person and doing good works never enough to make me feel complete. Just my experience.

Every philosophy and religion is interpretation humanity through an different lens

it is judgmental (a biblical no no) to condemn a people based on belief.

yes. once again, im not here to condemn or evaluate condemnation, its just not my job.

i actually dont think good people with other religious belief systems will "go to hell", especially if they abide by the universal truths and morality code biologically imbedded into each man.

but to date, i personally think that Jesus diagnosed the human condition and the best remedy for it. if i was say, muslim, and it wasnt really working for me, and i didnt feel 'complete', i would be more inclined to study any other religion that was available, to see if it made more sense.

we all know the people in america that try buddhism... its great for awhile, but it doesnt last. this is of course americans, but it is still to be noted. it is more of a fashion, i remember the saying,"it's easy to be a Buddhist after you made your first million". as opposed to when someone decides to become a christian, this is not at all for fashion or trend. it is a much more serious decision that also comes with much persecution. but thats what we sign up for.


In the bible Christ condemned no individual just mantras, individuals he treated with love that manifested into miracles.[/quote]

Condemning other religions and not seeing gods divine hand in the matter is the last refuge of the devil imho [/quote]

Well I think yes, "God" would likely judge certain theologies that are in violation of certain universal natural moral laws. yes, man is sometimes forced to worship and kill but this is still a choice he makes and his guilt isnt merciful, so maybe God may note that. But again, i think God would be understanding to people in difficult situations, i just dont know, i can speculate but still i really dont think im right, i try to stop thinking like that.
i think the biggest thing god wants from man is man to stop trying to be god.

because scriptures give us advice on how to stay out of "hell", i think when forget everything else it says about forgiveness and also not commenting on condemnation.

Like everyone here I know your heart is in the right place but I don't rally against any one facet of humanity

i respect that. i felt that for a long time. i think alot of intelligent people get to that point, probably not Retro or Dr, but i hope so, they'd be alot cooler if there werent the i know guys. next to jesus, i would say an agnostic-universalist-deist point of view would be my second runner up.

but spiritual buffets are exactly what Revelation prophecised. that was the best weapon the anti christ had, universalism in belief systems. its also noteworthy of the prophecies in Revelation are very interesting. Israel obtaining there land back after 2000 years, nuts, who even remembers you had a country in 2000 yrs let alone get it back. alot of other interesting comments about what is currently going on.

if one is possibly true, and is, then are the others false in your eyes?

maybe i just like game of devils advocate

haha dont we all.



that reminds me, here's what really sets Jesus apart for me.

when a man truly has made so many bad decisions in life, that he has eliminated his conscience to the point of almost no return, maybe murder, rape, many times over, rarely does a man like that become a good man. the only times i have ever witnessed truly bad men, come back from that, and truly try to live the rest of there life making amends for there sins and are genuinely different people, extremely sorry for their past and i dont know, the only time i felt it was 'real'.

when a man makes so many bad choices he feels he cant go back... you have a problem if hes an atheist. this is bad for the community if a criminal never has a reason/hope for change. and we all know the power of guilt. only some know the true power of the guilt of killing another person, or doing other extreme harms to fellow human beings.

 

[Weird]

The word psychology literally means, "study of the soul".
It also has much broader and multifaceted meanings.

No it does not. pysche is translated as mind when in context to psychology
from The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 4th Edition

• n. The spirit or soul.
• n. Psychiatry The mind functioning as the center of thought, emotion, and behavior and consciously or unconsciously adjusting or mediating the body's responses to the social and physical environment.
• v. Variant of psych.

in the context of science it is translated from latin as mind not soul.

Please show me anywhere science has measured the soul or a scientific qualification of on.

Actually, there is:
It's called "BACHELOR OF SCIENCE IN HUMAN SERVICES".
A very brief synopsis:
Mother Theresa once said "To keep a lamp burning, we have to keep putting oil in it." A dedicated human services professional fuels the human spirit through the highly-respected work of helping those in need. Earning a bachelor's in human services degree is an important first step for anyone who is looking to pursue a career in this field."

This degree is available at Post University. It is VERY expensive.
http://www.post.edu/maincampus/humanservices.shtml

Note: this is not based on religion, but rather humanity.

The humanities are academic disciplines that study human culture. The humanities use methods that are primarily critical, or speculative, and have a significant historical element[1]—as distinguished from the mainly empirical approaches of the natural sciences.[1] The humanities include ancient and modern languages, literature, philosophy, religion, and musicology.


Areas that are sometimes regarded[by whom?] as social sciences and sometimes as humanities include history, archaeology, anthropology, area studies, communication studies, classical studies, law, semiotics and linguistics.


Scholars in the humanities are "humanities scholars" or humanists.[2] The term "humanist" also describes the philosophical position of humanism, which some "antihumanist" scholars in the humanities refuse. The Renaissance scholars and artists were also called humanists. Some secondary schools offer humanities classes, usually consisting of English literature, global studies, and art.


Human disciplines like history and cultural anthropology study subject matters that the experimental method does not apply to—and instead mainly use the comparative method[3] and comparative research.

FWIW I dropped out of college with a perfect average. I took psych and sociology courses. I love to share my perceived weaknesses. Doesn't mean they are what you perceive them to be.

The sciences do not take questions like the purpose of mankind in context to the universe. They don't tackle spirituality or the soul or the effect of a diminishing spirituality in our populations.

However they are starting to integrate them because of the underlying value.

One day science will actualize all I speak of. How do I know this?

Because I use my personal life experience not answers I distill based on information from others.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19623766

Integrating Buddhist psychology into grief counseling.

Abstract

The field of grief counseling has yet to see an integration of Buddhist psychology. Drawing on Buddhist psychology literature and Western models of grief, this article explores possible integrations of two approaches. To lay the foundation for this discussion, the authors introduced a brief overview of the history of Buddhism as well as a Buddhist conception of death and other relevant Buddhist concepts. Integrations of Buddhist psychology and Western models of grief are explored within the context of death and grief as part of life, grief as a process, balancing doing and being, and an interpersonal approach to grief counseling. Application of the Buddhist approach for individual and group practice was illustrated, followed by a cautionary note on the caveats of integrating two approaches. The article ends with a discussion on the implications of the Buddhist approach for counselor self-care.





http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3705677/

Buddha philosophy and western psychology


Four noble truths as preached by Buddha are that the life is full of suffering (Duhkha), that there is a cause of this suffering (Duhkha-samudaya), it is possible to stop suffering (Duhkha-nirodha), and there is a way to extinguish suffering (Duhkha-nirodha-marga). Eight fold Path (astangika-marga) as advocated by Buddha as a way to extinguish the sufferings are right views, right resolve/aspiration, right speech, right action/conduct, right livelihood, right effort right mindfulness and right concentration.
Mid-twentieth century saw the collaborations between many psychoanalysts and Buddhist scholars as a meeting between “two of the most powerful forces” operating in the Western mind. Buddhism and Western Psychology overlap in theory and in practice. Over the last century, experts have written on many commonalities between Buddhism and various branches of modern western psychology like phenomenological psychology, psychoanalytical psychotherapy, humanistic psychology, cognitive psychology and existential psychology. Orientalist Alan Watts wrote ‘if we look deeply into such ways of life as Buddhism, we do not find either philosophy or religion as these are understood in the West. We find something more nearly resembling psychotherapy’.


Buddha was a unique psychotherapist. His therapeutic methods helped millions of people throughout the centuries. This essay is just an expression of what little the current author has understood on Buddha philosophy and an opportunity to offer his deep tribute to one of the greatest psychotherapists the world has ever produced!

 

[mojave green]

Sounds like a bunch of folks attempting to validate their own beliefs!

 

[Weird]

Weird,

It is obvious to me you merely speak of the Middle East from info you can find on the web, but not from actual experience, that's the problem.

I told you it was the last two decades I spent with egyptian and syrian jews, who were forced out of the middle east for the same reasons. My own personal experience with extremism is based on American gang culture which I have intimate experience with.

Many of them were privileged and forced out of their country with nothing, same as you and yours, but they don't condemn a genetic pool based on their inability to understand.

Point is, your perception is as I stated earlier. biased by your personal experience.

But I get it and I get you now because of what you shared, and I also apologized earlier because I have always respected your point of view.

But two things happened here, you lowered the bar and you are condemning a people based on behavior as if it were a fixed genetic expression. It is not.

Simply the fastest way to peace will not be the jewish genocide of the muslim peoples of the world, because you cannot weed out the extremist from the non extremist by look alone.

I can tell you how to "profile" them and give you scientific basis that their psychology is not fixed.

There is a basis for what I called manipulation from a 3rd party I am sure you did not verify. But as part of the two regions in conflict and because you fought in them I can respect your bias as being something very difficult to get past.

I am sure it was as hard for Vietnam Vets when they returned here and encountered American Asians.

Our emotions are attached to our memories and in intense events they burn in our mind and when something comes to remind us of the same thing it brings back that intense emotion.

It is the basis upon which PTSD happens. something else I am intimate with.

Not judging you dude. Not critic, just honest observations. Correct me if I am wrong, or ask me to stop, but challenge my logic incompletely and im compelled to be honest.

It is also obvious you have these idealised expectations of people, and it is clear that you hide in those idealizations out of fear as you don't want to see humanity for what it is instead of how you wanted it to appear.

You haven't met me in real life, many have, I walk the walk I talk the talk. Slander comes at a price and that is not a working of my own desire.

You missed the point of my post, but let me give you a hint: every day, all over the world, there are really bad people, that cannot be reasoned with, regardless of your expectations, and such people are that way because that is their nature, they don't love to do bad things because the "illuminati" are manipulating them, but because for them, doing those things satisfies them, gives them pleasure.

Do you realize how low the real percentage of sociopaths exist in the human race?

Really bad people is not a genetic qualification. The realty bad is born from consequence of environment. This is not to say the extremist has no culpability.

But if you look at all of mankind as a vehicle, the bigger it is, that is the rift between classes, the slower it moves along, like wise the less disparity between classes makes it more agile.

It is not just a hippy vision but something that science is in the process of uncovering if you look at various signs.

One study is from a neurologist who studied addiction to hard drugs, scientifically he proved that even the worst addict will make other choices if they PERCEIVE opportunity.

There is no win win scenario being presented by ANYONE in regards to these conflicts and it is not an uncommon belief among Americans that these wars are being waged for ulterior motives.

The money and lives spent to wage war in the middle east yet there is nothing being spent to aid and educate the those in extreme poverty or displacement.

What does it matter when your born into the world what side your on if you lose all you have?

The contempt in the middle east won't stop, unless something other than violence is used to deal with extremists, but here in America it pays

look at how much we spend to protect our own nation from terrorism. Sure more than Israel. Doesn't add up does it?

Of course, you have some bs justification for these people, which are a big number in the world, you really wished people did not enjoy stealing public funds, or killing people of different beliefs, but sadly that is how it is...you can run and hide all you want from these facts, you can come up with all kinds of scape-goats to justify to yourself that everyone is really a good person, shit, I don't care, you are free to do so, but you won't convince people who have seen the reality on the ground, the irrational hate in the eyes of people, how some even derive pleasure from the suffering of their own children, and these people are not a minority, you are just too scared to look.

Peace[/quote]


or smart enough to know when im being used

I dont have to justify my stance to myself internally because I have never done very bad things myself, not in the regard to human life, but I know once someone does, they often look through life through a different lens.

The biggest reason I am as vocal as I am about the subject.

As an American I am lucky enough to have lived freely with out having to make the sacrifices that come with war. I didn't run from them, but I didn't do what wasn't required.

I know it has given me a gift, a gift where I can look at life outside of the lens that you look at life through after you have seen what you have seen (I did not life the sheltered life you think which is why I can see it so sharply)

Or at least that is what i treat the sacrifices of those who served hte country. In America you get to see things from a different perspective, and as you touched up on its not all apple pies and baseball. But the military complex is a money machine that has evolved past the control of its keepers. People shouldn't have to die, we shouldn't have to partake in such conflict when there are other tactics that would change the equation.

Not many white nations in the world reaching out trying to sow peace. But sure as shit alot make money on warfare. Look at the American military budget and look at the rest of the worlds in comparison.

But that is something that regardless of evidence, does not seem to interest you.

Extremism is seen as a treatable psychological disease.

I also have a outlook on this based on Christian Judaic philosophy but im not trying to go there.

Big bang thread for what its worth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extremism
Psychological

Among the explanations for extremism is one that views it as a plague.[2] Arno Gruen said, "The lack of identity associated with extremists is the result of self-destructive self-hatred that leads to feelings of revenge toward life itself, and a compulsion to kill one’s own humanness." Thus extremism is seen as not a tactic, nor an ideology, but as a pathological illness which feeds on the destruction of life.[2] Dr. Kathleen Taylor believes Muslim fundamentalism is a mental illness and that is “curable.”[8]
Another view is that extremism is an emotional outlet for severe feelings stemming from "persistent experiences of oppression, insecurity, humiliation, resentment, loss, and rage" which are presumed to "lead individuals and groups to adopt conflict engagement strategies which “fit” or feel consistent with these experiences".[2]
Extremism is however seen by other researchers as a "rational strategy in a game over power".[2] See for instance the works of Eli Berman.

 

[Weird]

Sounds like a bunch of folks attempting to validate their own beliefs!

science should be able to be used to qualify the extent of their rationality

 

[waveguide]

Sounds like a bunch of folks attempting to validate their own beliefs!

first semester of college.. friend tells me he went to the park and met this guy who called himself dan the pervert. told my friend he'd pay him $50 if he'd hold his hands over the guys eyes while he jacked off.

then the internet came along.

 

[bombadil.360]

Weird,

I start to seriously doubt in your reading comprehension skills.

I was obviously and clearly not referring to any specific group of people, whether categorized by ethnicity, beliefs or lack of beliefs. I was clearly referring to the whole of humanity, and my personal opinion is that most are bad people, some more than others, but the fucked up people are the majority.

If it were not like that, the world would be way different...

But I'm out of the thread, don't want my personal opinions to be misrepresented, and luckily tomorrow I get back to my regular job.

Be good

Peace