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DurbanPoison
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Stevr: Hey what brand of nutes are you running again? I forgot. I'll tell you man, if your considering switching to something else, just get Pure Blend Pro Bloom and Cal Mag and mix 12ml PBP Bloom and 5ml Cal Mag. This recipe is TOO good. The plants REALLLY thrive in it @ 5.8pH. I can't get over it. Johnson's Solution is Page 11 Solution #1 The recipe above is 111N - 29P - 140K - 77Ca - 33Mg. Totally wicked. I don't think i'll need to use anything else, but i'm debating as to whether or not to throw in some karma.
Also I wanted to mention that builiding/using a carbon filter will help muffel the sound too.
Also I wanted to mention that builiding/using a carbon filter will help muffel the sound too.
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DurbanPoison
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Would you mind posting the incredients of it? Or dropping it in the calc @ 5ml to see what the values are?
DurbanPoison
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Ha. That's interesting. Thanks for posting that by the way. And how many mL did you put in the calc per gallon? 5? Looks like the bloom has a bit more -P- which I think should be pretty nice.
it was 5 mils to a gallon. now we re learning someting its all starting to get clearer to me
you need to see my tomatoe plant now lol poor thing dying i up the nute last nite to 1900 ppm and check her this mouring and the leafs are going limp now you see anouter reson i am playing with the tomatoe if i kill it no big loss but tomatoe are not to good in the box dam thing is out growing it very very fast. but lucas did point out i may have a ventaltion proublem he said thats may be wile the leafs are curling or to much heat and to much ferts so i just whent back to the 3 parts furts i got the nute profile as close as i can for a tomatoe will see how this works out. but i may have to add some sulfer mg and k to get it a lil closer in range.
you need to see my tomatoe plant now lol poor thing dying i up the nute last nite to 1900 ppm and check her this mouring and the leafs are going limp now you see anouter reson i am playing with the tomatoe if i kill it no big loss but tomatoe are not to good in the box dam thing is out growing it very very fast. but lucas did point out i may have a ventaltion proublem he said thats may be wile the leafs are curling or to much heat and to much ferts so i just whent back to the 3 parts furts i got the nute profile as close as i can for a tomatoe will see how this works out. but i may have to add some sulfer mg and k to get it a lil closer in range.
ok i am going to post this any ways here is the nute profile and the nute profile of a tomatoe plant
gh flora 3 part fert 28.5 mills/ mirco 24 mills bloom/ 0grow to 3 gallons of tap water/ tds 880/ ph 5.8 no ph up or dwn
nute profile of gh flora 3 part nutes noitce i am only using mirco and bloom
n-153.95 /p-52.94/ k-106.18/ca-153.97/mg-36.43/s-24.28 /fe-3.08
nute profile for tomatoes
n-150/p-50/k-200/ca-150/mg-50/s-60/fe-2.8
looks like i got it close but looks like it needs more k,mg and sulfer fixing to change nutes and see what happens.
gh flora 3 part fert 28.5 mills/ mirco 24 mills bloom/ 0grow to 3 gallons of tap water/ tds 880/ ph 5.8 no ph up or dwn
nute profile of gh flora 3 part nutes noitce i am only using mirco and bloom
n-153.95 /p-52.94/ k-106.18/ca-153.97/mg-36.43/s-24.28 /fe-3.08
nute profile for tomatoes
n-150/p-50/k-200/ca-150/mg-50/s-60/fe-2.8
looks like i got it close but looks like it needs more k,mg and sulfer fixing to change nutes and see what happens.
lucas just replyed to my proublem ehre is what he had to say.
i just came up with this hows 9.5mill gh macro 8mill gh bloom
you did a very good job calculating the formula values
I think your primary limiting factor is the lack of fresh air flow, which means the CO2 is all used up, so is the oxygen.
8" from 150 watts is OK, but 87F of stagnant air is killing them from above and below.
do not underestimate the importance of CO2 for the leaves, and O2 for the roots.
> getting a lot of limp leafs now
might be caused by roots that are dying from lack of oxygen in water that is too warm
it is probably too late to save the plant, once the leaves go limp
i just came up with this hows 9.5mill gh macro 8mill gh bloom
you did a very good job calculating the formula values
I think your primary limiting factor is the lack of fresh air flow, which means the CO2 is all used up, so is the oxygen.
8" from 150 watts is OK, but 87F of stagnant air is killing them from above and below.
do not underestimate the importance of CO2 for the leaves, and O2 for the roots.
> getting a lot of limp leafs now
might be caused by roots that are dying from lack of oxygen in water that is too warm
it is probably too late to save the plant, once the leaves go limp
man canna butter kicks ass! i am seeing thing's, my tomatoe has a fucking huge tomatoe on it... i flush it today and it was not there this mouring... dammmm what the hell i do. think some one but acid in me butter. 
is it me or is it what i think it is.. to dam young any ways, was a 6" clone on the 10/25.. tell ya what the old gh 3 part nutes rock
is it me or is it what i think it is.. to dam young any ways, was a 6" clone on the 10/25.. tell ya what the old gh 3 part nutes rock
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DurbanPoison
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Maties
Maties
I've been considering growing tomatoes for a long time, but I haven't ever had a good harvest of buds (well I mean large when I say good). My last crop was a joke. 4grams dry weight?
That's from 3 plants too lol. However that was soil - the hydro is obviously doing a hell of a lot better and I am sure that the new knowledge of nutrients and mj's requirements will be a lot more beneficial. I just gotta see which ones have nuts!
Good luck on the mato. I think you can still mother her out. Looks desperate but I think you can throw her a life line.
Just duke it out!
Let's keep it green man.
Maties
I've been considering growing tomatoes for a long time, but I haven't ever had a good harvest of buds (well I mean large when I say good). My last crop was a joke. 4grams dry weight?
That's from 3 plants too lol. However that was soil - the hydro is obviously doing a hell of a lot better and I am sure that the new knowledge of nutrients and mj's requirements will be a lot more beneficial. I just gotta see which ones have nuts! Good luck on the mato. I think you can still mother her out. Looks desperate but I think you can throw her a life line.
Just duke it out!
Let's keep it green man.here's what upgrades needs to been done on the box.
1 cooltube
2 increase intakes
3 bigger air pump
4 bulid pull out shelf
5 remove ballasted and place on back of cab possible add 150 watts hps ballast as well
6 bulid carbon scrubber will use Durbin Poison diy thread for this
7 install foilon on walls
8 come up with some kind of co2 system ( any ideas guys ) has to be cheap an a diy
9 come up with a remote rez or come up with a way to do a flood and drain
10 upgrade to a 4" vortex
11 some kind of better air stones
12 computer controlled controllers
13 handles for the doors
14 repaint the outside
15 buliding a fasle panal for the back to hide ballast and misc. elctronic
16 and the best of the best up grades rebuilt the box out of 3/4 oak plywood and soild oak raised panles doors
17 any one else got any ideas that can make this cab work better fell free to chime in
1 cooltube
2 increase intakes
3 bigger air pump
4 bulid pull out shelf
5 remove ballasted and place on back of cab possible add 150 watts hps ballast as well
6 bulid carbon scrubber will use Durbin Poison diy thread for this
7 install foilon on walls
8 come up with some kind of co2 system ( any ideas guys ) has to be cheap an a diy
9 come up with a remote rez or come up with a way to do a flood and drain
10 upgrade to a 4" vortex
11 some kind of better air stones
12 computer controlled controllers
13 handles for the doors
14 repaint the outside
15 buliding a fasle panal for the back to hide ballast and misc. elctronic
16 and the best of the best up grades rebuilt the box out of 3/4 oak plywood and soild oak raised panles doors
17 any one else got any ideas that can make this cab work better fell free to chime in
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DurbanPoison
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Yes. Make the damn thing taller and wider. Say 6" taller and make the veg room about 4" Wider. Rather than using foil, I might use mylar if you can get ahold of it. I can't remember how much it is. As far as the co2, theres 2 things I got in mind. 1 - Carbon Bucket. Goes for $125 on the internet. Comes with a pump and lasts 90 days if you got it with your light timer. Then the replacement co2 is $100 a bag thereafter. 2 - I got this from the Maximumyield website. 2liters of water, 2TBS sugar, and 3ml of urine. Once it begins to ferment, it will produce about 1/2oz of Co2 per week for about 2-4 weeks. Ive been using the cheap ass technique but I have no Idea if its' working lol. The site says to start one each week in a 1 gallon jug.
By the way - these suggestions are from my frustrations - not critisizing your op in anyway - I guess i'm critisizing the original NGB design that we've all created. I love your idea of the false back though. I think I might just do that to free up some space in the utility room. Or perhaps I'll make the utility room the cloning room? Hmm this all very interesting to me. Ps. I made a nute rhyme today:
Now PBP nutes are some of the best,
it's like telling your hydro you'll put hair on it's chest
Add 12mils of bloom it's better for veg,
and another 5mil of C mag you're growin' a hedge
But if your just really wantin' to see 'em explode,
add 3ml of karma 'n every day's a new node
Now make sure to use nothin but pure distilled water,
not knowin' the -C-a- 'n -M-g- might send em to slaughter
Remember to keep that pH at a solid 5.8,
it'll keep your greens growin at an incredible rate
I know i know it's tacky. I have no idea why I started it. Just drivin' home from work and it came outta my mouth. Thought I would share my goofyness along with the recipe. I'm workin on calculating a good bloom recipe as I just picked up the hydroplex.
More P! More P! Stretch them calyx'!!! 
By the way - these suggestions are from my frustrations - not critisizing your op in anyway - I guess i'm critisizing the original NGB design that we've all created. I love your idea of the false back though. I think I might just do that to free up some space in the utility room. Or perhaps I'll make the utility room the cloning room? Hmm this all very interesting to me. Ps. I made a nute rhyme today:
Now PBP nutes are some of the best,
it's like telling your hydro you'll put hair on it's chest
Add 12mils of bloom it's better for veg,
and another 5mil of C mag you're growin' a hedge
But if your just really wantin' to see 'em explode,
add 3ml of karma 'n every day's a new node
Now make sure to use nothin but pure distilled water,
not knowin' the -C-a- 'n -M-g- might send em to slaughter
Remember to keep that pH at a solid 5.8,
it'll keep your greens growin at an incredible rate
I know i know it's tacky. I have no idea why I started it. Just drivin' home from work and it came outta my mouth. Thought I would share my goofyness along with the recipe. I'm workin on calculating a good bloom recipe as I just picked up the hydroplex.
More P! More P! Stretch them calyx'!!!
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well think of it this way, the dezine is not bad just need some improments, and moving all the elctical stuff to the back can work. check my gallrey and you will see what i did. all we got to do is move all the shit to the back and make a cover to hid it. and i think if i did that i might be able to make the 4" vortex work in the utial cab. but right now i need to work on the air in the rez lack of oxtgen might me way my leafys are limp and curling under from the tips. might try some hyrgone perxiode seeif that will help.
DurbanPoison
Member
I couldn't find the pic(s) in your gallery you were referring to. But I was also thinking to save time/money/wood rather than making a false back, you could make a false side to the left of the veg cab/utility area and just strap that on. I was thinking the same though. I would probably put the fan and the carbon filter in the false compartment along with the other electrical equipment and then convert the utility room to be the clone room.
