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[gaiusmarius]

the marketing thing is not to my taste either, but in the end thats their business.

but when you say they don't work them, i'm sure you are wrong, as they are one of the few companies with enough resources to have real top breeding facilities. sure they might not work what they collect right away, but at some point they will test them and asses the potential with a few test crosses and what ever else. it's the one thing that is in their favor, they have enough capital to do things right.

 

[the new HG]

agreed some of there comments over the top,,, maybe way over.. but all in all I enjoy the docos, as with all people who gain public attention there will always be haters and lovers.... ashame they haven't released any of the land races they brought back. thought that was the whole point of the series. now if only the shows editors can have some sense and take out some of the stupid comments, it would be a great show.

the more publicity about cannabis the better imo.

 

[kiwigreen420]

I remember i fell into the whole marketing thing before i ordered my first batch of seeds, i was like "oh my god og kush, fire og alien kush wreck" blah blah nonsense but then i discovered the real deals like ace,cbg, bodhi etc. Its hard finding the real deal seed banks because they're about the people and not money/marketing side of things. cbg and ace are the true kings of cannabis.

you know a seedbank is shitty when they only sell feminised seeds so you cant make f2's. Im so glad i never bought into the whole marketing side of cannabis like the stupid cups and what not.
'oh lets see who has the best strain' blah blah who cares.

My motto is all weed is good, just some are better than others. no need to make competition out of it right?

 

[ChaosCatalunya]

I remember i fell into the whole marketing thing before i ordered my first batch of seeds, i was like "oh my god og kush, fire og alien kush wreck" blah blah nonsense but then i discovered the real deals like ace,cbg, bodhi etc. Its hard finding the real deal seed banks because they're about the people and not money/marketing side of things. cbg and ace are the true kings of cannabis.

you know a seedbank is shitty when they only sell feminised seeds so you cant make f2's. Im so glad i never bought into the whole marketing side of cannabis like the stupid cups and what not.
'oh lets see who has the best strain' blah blah who cares.

My motto is all weed is good, just some are better than others. no need to make competition out of it right?

CBG /ACE are really good at what they do, which is a specialised part of the seed industry, worked Landrace Sativas. They do not compete with the "main market" of Indoor Hybrids, elite crosses etc.

Have you actually grown F2 seeds ? you can find gems, but as a general rule F1s are a better bet, a lot more value for your money, less grow time wasted growing out rubbish and it is the same thing with Feminised. Here in Spain you literally [I tried..] cannot give away regular seeds in a shop, the market is 99.9% Feminised. People look at you like you are stupid if you try to explain that you might get better plants from Regs. After 8 seasons here growing out lots of different things I only grow out a few Regs. I have a large seed collection and get given lots of freebies, despite this I actually bought 5 packs of seeds this year, ACE Golden Tiger, Chimera's Schnazzleberry and GHS Bubba, Trainwreck and Chemdog because all 5 are fantastic.

 

[kiwigreen420]

CBG /ACE are really good at what they do, which is a specialised part of the seed industry, worked Landrace Sativas. They do not compete with the "main market" of Indoor Hybrids, elite crosses etc.

Have you actually grown F2 seeds ? you can find gems, but as a general rule F1s are a better bet, a lot more value for your money, less grow time wasted growing out rubbish and it is the same thing with Feminised. Here in Spain you literally [I tried..] cannot give away regular seeds in a shop, the market is 99.9% Feminised. People look at you like you are stupid if you try to explain that you might get better plants from Regs. After 8 seasons here growing out lots of different things I only grow out a few Regs. I have a large seed collection and get given lots of freebies, despite this I actually bought 5 packs of seeds this year, ACE Golden Tiger, Chimera's Schnazzleberry and GHS Bubba, Trainwreck and Chemdog because all 5 are fantastic.

Its kinda cool that they're secret in a way, spanish breeders are they best.

F2's are all good, i just breed to the best phenos until they become ibl. Regular is and always will be the best. feminism just takes the fun out of selections with males and natural cycle, i enjoy growing males.
This season im gonna make a malawi x pakistani chitral f1, malawi x taskenti and panama x malawi, its so fun making elite landrace genetic crosses like these, i dont see the point in crossing all those dutch genetics as they have been done time and time again. how many strains are skunk #1 and afghani #1 crossed? way too many. those 2 strains are shitty in my opinion compared to the real afghanis.

What are the laws like in spain? completely legal?

 

[OLDproLg]

FEM ONLY IN SPAIN??????

Now that IS real stupid if you asl me.....WHAT?
Yah,we'll use the bottle necker genetics to keep weed alive....
RIGHT?...screw spain,its definately OVER THEIR HEAD'
Never thought or knew this shit,to bad really,popping seeds is 1 of the joy's
of growing!!!
Finding your own type of best pheno,is what its all about sheeeeze???
No F2 is any worst really just different!
PLUS,fem genetics are nothing of a perfect copy,they all have variations...
peace

 

[ChaosCatalunya]

Its kinda cool that they're secret in a way, spanish breeders are they best.

F2's are all good, i just breed to the best phenos until they become ibl. Regular is and always will be the best. feminism just takes the fun out of selections with males and natural cycle, i enjoy growing males.
This season im gonna make a malawi x pakistani chitral f1, malawi x taskenti and panama x malawi, its so fun making elite landrace genetic crosses like these, i dont see the point in crossing all those dutch genetics as they have been done time and time again. how many strains are skunk #1 and afghani #1 crossed? way too many. those 2 strains are shitty in my opinion compared to the real afghanis.

What are the laws like in spain? completely legal?

If you want to do some breeding, fine, you can use regs, but there is ZERO problem with breeding with Fems. Many of the great strains we have now are originally from hermie bagseed "fems". I totally agree with you on not automatically crossing the Dutch classics in there, but good things can be found..

Here, hobby growing is "legal" commercial growing very much NOT. Technically no plants are legal, but in my part the Police frequently say you are "allowed" 2 plants.. they will not arrest you for it, they have even busted gardens and left the unlucky person 2 plants..

FEM ONLY IN SPAIN??????

Now that IS real stupid if you asl me.....WHAT?
Yah,we'll use the bottle necker genetics to keep weed alive....
RIGHT?...screw spain,its definately OVER THEIR HEAD'
Never thought or knew this shit,to bad really,popping seeds is 1 of the joy's
of growing!!!
Finding your own type of best pheno,is what its all about sheeeeze???
No F2 is any worst really just different!
PLUS,fem genetics are nothing of a perfect copy,they all have variations...
peace

Look at it from the PoV of your average guy, or more commonly, old farmer.. They buy seeds from the local growshop, agricultural Co Op, or by bulk buying Canamo or Herba magazine when they have freebie seeds on the cover. They have no deep interest in the plant, history or dreams of breeding as they do not have the facilities, time or knowledge. They just want to grow BUD... So, they now all know that you can buy Fem seeds not Reg, from their point of view it is a no brainer, why run 10 plants, pots, when you are going to kill 5 ? So they buy 5 Fem seeds and grow great crops of Sweet Seeds Black Jack, Cream Caramel or their NYCD.

The moment you mention "bottlenecking" of genetics I wonder what you really actually understand about breeding, that whole attitude seems to originate purely from Scott Blakey "shantibaba" and his bullshit science and fako hippie posturing nonsense designed to sell his non femmed Regs to the gullible. There is nothing wrong with Feminised seeds whatsoever, you can make excellent F1 hybrids with reversed females. S1's can bring about some undesirable traits IMO, but it can also give people without access to elite clones the chance to grow something very similar. Read what Tom Hill says about their behaviour. F2's are similar, IMO, not as consistent or as reliable as F1's, but yes, they are the first step to breeding your own line, not that it will ever really get to IBL, read Chimera's recent posts...

 

[PWF]

quoting tom hill lmfao
encouraging lazy farmers.
males are bad and farmers are too stupid to make their own seed, whatever.
there are no average farmers anymore; they all harnessed themselves to seed corporations.
average farmers always made their own seeds until recently.
this post is propaganda.
if you say the dutch variety havent been bottlenecked then you are lying, even the dutch admitted they messed up.
bottleknecking via inbreeding is a known phenomenon and hardly originated from shanti, you are uninformed and your education seems to be bottlenecked in pot growing info.
as for feminizing retail seed, your arguments are coddling the lazy.
pot prohibition is almost conquered, laws are changing even as this is posted.
breed how you want but if one spreads lies and half truths about this, people who know better may be tempted to introduce the truth.
the biggest factor of feminizing cannabis seeds is money.

If you want to do some breeding, fine, you can use regs, but there is ZERO problem with breeding with Fems. Many of the great strains we have now are originally from hermie bagseed "fems". I totally agree with you on not automatically crossing the Dutch classics in there, but good things can be found..

Here, hobby growing is "legal" commercial growing very much NOT. Technically no plants are legal, but in my part the Police frequently say you are "allowed" 2 plants.. they will not arrest you for it, they have even busted gardens and left the unlucky person 2 plants..



Look at it from the PoV of your average guy, or more commonly, old farmer.. They buy seeds from the local growshop, agricultural Co Op, or by bulk buying Canamo or Herba magazine when they have freebie seeds on the cover. They have no deep interest in the plant, history or dreams of breeding as they do not have the facilities, time or knowledge. They just want to grow BUD... So, they now all know that you can buy Fem seeds not Reg, from their point of view it is a no brainer, why run 10 plants, pots, when you are going to kill 5 ? So they buy 5 Fem seeds and grow great crops of Sweet Seeds Black Jack, Cream Caramel or their NYCD.

The moment you mention "bottlenecking" of genetics I wonder what you really actually understand about breeding, that whole attitude seems to originate purely from Scott Blakey "shantibaba" and his bullshit science and fako hippie posturing nonsense designed to sell his non femmed Regs to the gullible. There is nothing wrong with Feminised seeds whatsoever, you can make excellent F1 hybrids with reversed females. S1's can bring about some undesirable traits IMO, but it can also give people without access to elite clones the chance to grow something very similar. Read what Tom Hill says about their behaviour. F2's are similar, IMO, not as consistent or as reliable as F1's, but yes, they are the first step to breeding your own line, not that it will ever really get to IBL, read Chimera's recent posts...

 

[Oliver Pantsoff]

I like what they do, but a lot of there beans are garbage...

OP

 

[siftedunity]

when you see how big their rooms are and how many plants they have etc, you can see why they are so reluctant to realise their mistakes and start again from fresh better genetics. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yn0Hx3fQGk

 

[ChaosCatalunya]

I will quote Tom Hill if I feel like it, he is widely respected and you are ?

I am not "encouraging lazy farmers" I am just explaining their point if view, bla bla "harnessed themselves to seed corporations." ... there are no big farms around here... etc.

Where did I say "dutch variety havent been bottlenecked" ... I did not, I merely stated that it was a favourite refrain of a certain group of people. Now the Dutch are using lots of nice new US elites anyway.

LOL@"as for feminizing retail seed, your arguments are coddling the lazy" .. I explained why people are buying them, the horse has already bolted the gate, it is common sense to most people.

People make feminized seeds because they and others want them, simple fact. If some people are stuck making Regs the market largely does not want, and cannot climb down off their high horse ofter many years of spreading misinformation about them, tough.

quoting tom hill lmfao
encouraging lazy farmers.
males are bad and farmers are too stupid to make their own seed, whatever.
there are no average farmers anymore; they all harnessed themselves to seed corporations.
average farmers always made their own seeds until recently.
this post is propaganda.
if you say the dutch variety havent been bottlenecked then you are lying, even the dutch admitted they messed up.
bottleknecking via inbreeding is a known phenomenon and hardly originated from shanti, you are uninformed and your education seems to be bottlenecked in pot growing info.
as for feminizing retail seed, your arguments are coddling the lazy.
pot prohibition is almost conquered, laws are changing even as this is posted.
breed how you want but if one spreads lies and half truths about this, people who know better may be tempted to introduce the truth.
the biggest factor of feminizing cannabis seeds is money.

 

[siftedunity]

using clones is lazier, growing seeds out imo is a PITA and fems are no easier to grow, maybe more convenient but whats wrong with that?

quite a lot of the elites are accidental or deliberate fem crosses anyway. what does it matter? as long as the outcome is good I dont see the issue. and they are fine to breed with. sometimes I get sick of growing out regs and il start a fem pack.
as for the dutch companies, I think they just watered down their own genetics and stopped giving a fuck. they still sell buckets of seeds off of their reputations from the 90s though

 

[theJointedOne]

coke, meh

 

[Majo]

People make feminized seeds because they and others want them, simple fact. If some people are stuck making Regs the market largely does not want, and cannot climb down off their high horse ofter many years of spreading misinformation about them, tough.

I cannot agree with that!!

Feminized seeds are just so popular because the market said so. I get really angry when I saw "mr king of Cannabis" Arjan saying: "if these farmers cultivate fem seeds they'll make more money to send their sons to school".

This is not fair!!!

How can you trust people saying that "when MJ will be leagal we will (GHS) be the COCA-COLA of the industry!".
As a marijuana smoker I have the right to think that fem seeds market represent one of the biggest danger to this lovely plant.

I cultivated fem seeds for years and to me there's no choice beetween them and regs. Regs are just sooo much better.

Just my 2 cents

 

[gaiusmarius]

I cannot agree with that!!

Feminized seeds are just so popular because the market said so. I get really angry when I saw "mr king of Cannabis" Arjan saying: "if these farmers cultivate fem seeds they'll make more money to send their sons to school".

This is not fair!!!

How can you trust people saying that "when MJ will be leagal we will (GHS) be the COCA-COLA of the industry!".
As a marijuana smoker I have the right to think that fem seeds market represent one of the biggest danger to this lovely plant.

I cultivated fem seeds for years and to me there's no choice beetween them and regs. Regs are just sooo much better.

Just my 2 cents

can you explain the last comment. i mean what exactly is the problem you found with feminized plants? also what were the advantages of the regs, you need to elaborate.

 

[siftedunity]

fems are no different what so ever. theres this massive fear of fem seeds I think, which is completely unfounded. they serve a purpose and as with any other industry, sales dictate what is gonna be available to you.

the fem myths need to be quashed really.

the real fear isn't the fems, its whos creating them such as ghs. most of their strains are fucking bunk. its all hay. what annoys me most is the most is that he is giving away his shitty seeds to rural farmers and putting these seeds in natures domain, where they with water down anything half decent in that area.
I don't think any breeders, even the best ones- should be putting their genetics in places where is can effect wild or even regional farmed strains. its unethical imo
I would feel embarrassed to be him tbh, how can you make yourself believe that your strains are fantastic, you are the world best breeder etc, then go on videos all the time proclaiming this, in the face of some of the most amazing stuff being produced around the globe? he's deluded.
I mean quite a lot of breeder strains have their elites which have been found in packs- dj short blueberry, tga subcool, even some of the old dutch strains like the ak47 etc .... think about it, what gems have ever been found in ghs seed pack that have been worthy to pass around..? lol

 

[indabonga]

i think femm seeds "are soo bad" for someone after some bad experience with erma or slow freak phenos...but the problem it's the ethic of a lot of femminized seedbank: borned only for business.....the cannabis lovers sell regulars

 

[siftedunity]

i think femm seeds "are soo bad" for someone after some bad experience with erma or slow freak phenos...but the problem it's the ethic of a lot of femminized seedbank: borned only for business.....the cannabis lovers sell regulars

slow freak phenos or are nothing to do with fems. and a plant can herm with male and female parents just as easily as femmed seeds.

 

[Majo]

i think femm seeds "are soo bad" for someone after some bad experience with erma or slow freak phenos...but the problem it's the ethic of a lot of femminized seedbank: borned only for business.....the cannabis lovers sell regulars

Here we are dude!

This is the problem with fem seeds.

 

[Majo]

I would feel embarrassed to be him tbh, how can you make yourself believe that your strains are fantastic, you are the world best breeder etc, then go on videos all the time proclaiming this, in the face of some of the most amazing stuff being produced around the globe? he's deluded.
I mean quite a lot of breeder strains have their elites which have been found in packs- dj short blueberry, tga subcool, even some of the old dutch strains like the ak47 etc .... think about it, what gems have ever been found in ghs seed pack that have been worthy to pass around..? lol

They have millions of new cannabis users with absolutely no culture.
GHS it's one of the worst seed banks I ever tried but it's one of the most famous.