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[Adze]

This is the problem with fem seeds:

This is the problem with fem seeds:

"Quite frankly, I can't imagine anything holding a knowledgeable breeder back from gynoecious selections, excepting an ignorant customer base." - Tom Hill

Feminization doesn't cause hermies. If you feminize hermie prone genetics you get hermies. Feminization does not change the genes. However if you’re inbreeding, using the same female for the pollen and mother, using a sister plant etc. then you’ll see both more of the recessive traits and more hermies, this has to do with inbreeding not feminization.
Adze.

 

[PWF]

you cannot prove they don't.
broad empirical statements yet no proof.
none of you are geneticists.
your words arent even following scientific method at its most basic.
if you were you wouldnt be saying these things.
nobody knows for sure yet and even if the studies are being done nobody is sharing the info and in this "industry" i would be hard-pressed to believe anyone who does.
i do agree with your theory that hermie prone individuals may be more likely to express hermi when femmed. you arent going far enough tho. you seem biased towards an outcome.
tom hill is at best an amature geneticist and needs to go back and take some ethics workshops.
all these people that have concluded on the subject of fems are jumping the gun at best if not outright lying about their experiences.
i personally think that a plant will remember it was reversed and its progeny, either in the next generation or subsequent gens, will show higher incidence of intersex traits.
to say it doesnt happen all the time doesnt justify the method in regards to sales if you have a grain of ethics in you.
every argument FOR fem seeds centers around three things,
money
legality
convenience.
the only person benefiting from these factors is the breeder/seedseller.
breeding with fems LOL
gopher it man.

"Quite frankly, I can't imagine anything holding a knowledgeable breeder back from gynoecious selections, excepting an ignorant customer base." - Tom Hill

Feminization doesn't cause hermies. If you feminize hermie prone genetics you get hermies. Feminization does not change the genes. However if you’re inbreeding, using the same female for the pollen and mother, using a sister plant etc. then you’ll see both more of the recessive traits and more hermies, this has to do with inbreeding not feminization.
Adze.

 

[PWF]

and,
fwiw,
ALL CANNABIS HAS HERMIE TENDENCIES!

 

[Majo]

BTW, I don't wanna go OT too much. 2 years ago in the italian section we had an argument with franco.gh about their policy and ethics and, of course, about introducing ghsfem seeds in India.

Here is the response:

Viaggiando per il mondo e visitando posti dove si produce cannabis su larga scala e dove ci sono landraces, e parlando con i coltivatori, ci si rende conto facilmente che dopo 2-3 anni la landrace prende sempre il sopravvento.

Per riuscire ad avere dell'erba di qualita' superiore a quella locale in molti posti i grower introducono semi "high-grade" europei o americani, ma se non ripetono il processo ogni 2 o 3 anni non c'e' piu' traccia delle piante high-grade...

I translate for you (if you don't trust me u can simply use a translator):

"traveling around the world and visiting places where cannabis is produced in large scale and landraces are present, and speaking with growers, you easily realize that after 2 or 3 year the landrace takes over

Many growers grow "high-grade" seeds (from USA, EU) to manage better quality weed but, if they don't seed every 2/3 years there is no more trace of the "high-grade" genetics."

What should we say? I traveled around this world as well, I talked with some farma and the reality seems to be a little bit different.

I wanted to post this thing just to let you know about the ethics and knowledges of these people...
But maybe I'm just an asshole and Arjan is the real King of cannabis and the High Time cannabis cup shows every year who's the best breeder in da world!



...

It's really sad to see how "this thing" will provide to the elimination of the cannabis plant as we knew that.
And it's sad as well looking for the new strain hunters genetics... Have you ever thought about preservation of pure landraces? That would be a really nice work and you got the instruments to do that!

 

[Adze]

I didn’t have the time to properly respond, so I’ve substituted this, however I’ve been quoted so the original is still available. This is about not being badgered by someone for expressing an opinion among other things...
Colloidal silver isn’t much of a mutagen. Real mutations are most often fatal, being sort of a random process. I suppose one might speculate that CL is only effecting the genes for sexual expression with its supposed mutagenic properties but that is really grasping at straws for a coherent explanation.
you cannot prove they don't. No, nor can you prove they do (cause mutations).
broad empirical statements yet no proof. Yes, this is an opinion. I trust that you don’t require proof for all expressions of opinion because very few people here will be able to comply. It’s also not your place to set some standard regarding others expression of opinions here.
none of you are geneticists. This is another red herring. Questioning credentials of the poster here where none of us is going to say what their profession or background is for obvious reasons. Further, my credentials do not make the statement true or false. So rather than attack my credibility focus on the value of the idea.
your words arent even following scientific method at its most basic. Your suggestion that my opinion should be expressed in the form of "scientific method" is amusing. Actually what one might have asked is for it to be stated as a scientific hypothesis, which I could have done if that were my intention. Having more than a casual idea of the work necessary to effectively test such a hypothesis I chose not to do that.
if you were you wouldnt be saying these things. Erroneous conclusion based on unfounded assumptions of my understanding of science
nobody knows for sure yet and even if the studies are being done nobody is sharing the info and in this "industry" i would be hard-pressed to believe anyone who does. You don't know and no one else does either, so if anyone is going to express anything about the topic it will have to be an opinion?
i do agree with your theory that hermie prone individuals may be more likely to express hermi when femmed. you arent going far enough tho. you seem biased towards an outcome. Somewhat ironically, a scientific hypothesis is almost always expressed, as a rather specific affirmation of a given idea, which may seems to the lay person to be bias. But as I said, I expressed an opinion.
tom hill is at best an amature geneticist and needs to go back and take some ethics workshops. Tom’s intelligence and insight has been demonstrated so often among the threads here at IC that many of us find an effort to undermine his credibility laughable. By the way it’s spelled: amateur

 

[gaiusmarius]

the point is that fem seeds work, if they are made correctly with good genetics, you will get a stable seed. have seen too many grows with fem seeds do exactly what the grower wanted them to, to doubt them. not saying every company makes them the right way, but if they are done right, they are 100% reliable. have even grown them myself a couple of times and it was really quite nice to just know that all the plants i was watering and giving light to etc, were females.

we also have lots and lots of growers switching to fem seeds for this exact reason, they don't want to waste space on vegging a plant that will turn out to be a male when flowered. most growers don't breed, they grow smoke.

but even if you do make seeds, you will be pleasantly surprised, i have made my own cross using a feminized GH cheese which i dusted with a male of mine. the seeds are all perfectly standard seeds. have grown out well over a 100 of the seeds of that cross i made this way and so far i didn't find 1 hermy, either male or female. now what might happen if i cross again and again, i do not know, but saying you can't make seeds which are shit hot with fem seeds is just not true.

 

[Raco]

Colombian ´95 n+5

True? fake?

 

[PWF]

what proof do you require of any of my statements?
i havent stated anything unprovable.
if you do not understand scientific method then you are ill equiped to be discussing these matters.
people seem to think i am against femminizing seeds.
i am not.
i am against selling feminized seeds using the misleading marketing tactics as seen in this thread.
i am against unethical lying shills that have brainwashed many of us myself included.
there is proof that breeding with hermies increases hermies in subsequent gens.
purposefully causing a hermie is going against what we have learned to be good breeding. this doesnt mean this technique is bad but it also does not mean it is good. saying either one is not scientific. selling and marketing something as "good" based on very limited testing is much worse than advokating caution in a senstive area of cannabis cultivation.
this is not tearing anything down other than self delusion that is being regurgitated as fact.
there have been no published genetic tests or mapping regarding this subject of reversing and heritability of hermie as induced by reversing. and until then i will "tear down" peoples lies and misinformation regarding it. anything other than speculation will be considered marketing or flat out lying until unbiased unincorporated scientists do the mapping and tracking.
i applaud the passion but a bit of humility would be nice too.
@gaiusmarius~
i havent seen any reports that the seeds dont work. i am attacking the marketing speach shills use to PROMOTE their products. the same thing any consumer advocasy would do. the whole thing is still in its infantcy and will be until it is taken out of the hands of those with monetary interests. how often do we experience the negative and even harmful fallout of a corporation insisting on its products awesomeness only to realize later that it was not as advertised. these seedsters are employing similar marketing techniques. it is evident american biz is idolized by dutch when they say they want to be like an american juggernaut of a company like coke a cola. it would stand to reason arjan would model his biz practices around tyranical corporations then call himself a king.

Do you have proof for anything you’ve stated? Clearly not..
Are you a geneticist? Again no.
“your words arent even following scientific method” Yeah like somehow that is supposed to mean something? WTF Do you words follow a method? Meaningless.
I understand that you like to argue and put folks down but I see little evidence of any insight.

 

[siftedunity]

what proof do you require of any of my statements?


there is proof that breeding with hermies increases hermies in subsequent gens.


there have been no published genetic tests or mapping regarding this subject of reversing and heritability of hermie as induced by reversing.

...


tbh, what marketing are you actually talking about? ghs are not the only people who sell fem seeds and there are fem seeds around which produce really good out comes.

your opinion, isn't shared unfortunately. as for tom hill, hes a knowledgeable guy- maybe amateur but there are not many professional geneticists in this game.

 

[botrytiscinerea]

nothing screams authentic landrace like the launch of more americanized dutch hybrids...they surprised me big time

 

[gaiusmarius]

well that's the thing you are not supposed to use hermies to make fem seeds. you are supposed to reverse a true female for the pollen, not a hermy. you then use the fem pollen on a true female, not on a hermy. then you will get good quality reliable fem seeds, no matter how they were marketed.

 

[ChaosCatalunya]

I cannot agree with that!!

Feminized seeds are just so popular because the market said so. I get really angry when I saw "mr king of Cannabis" Arjan saying: "if these farmers cultivate fem seeds they'll make more money to send their sons to school".

This is not fair!!!

How can you trust people saying that "when MJ will be leagal we will (GHS) be the COCA-COLA of the industry!".
As a marijuana smoker I have the right to think that fem seeds market represent one of the biggest danger to this lovely plant.

I cultivated fem seeds for years and to me there's no choice beetween them and regs. Regs are just sooo much better.

Just my 2 cents

I really do not understand your point. You seem, like many of the critics, to have a bit of a bee in your bonnet about Arjan's self appointed "King of Cannabis" title and the commercial success of his business, tied in to some prejudice against Feminised seeds and a blind zealotry for promoting amateur home breeding with regs.

99% of growers just want to grow some weed, from all their experiences it is clear that Feminised seeds present an easy way to get female flowers from all the plants they grow, not having to throw away half of what they grow, time money and space down the drain. To them this is a No Brainer, the cat is out of the bag, people know Feminised seeds are good, no matter what lies are being spread by "greedy people with no ethics".

Most of this nonsense comes from Scott, still spreading half baked lies to his devotees about Feminised seeds, despite him right now being up to his neck in producing Feminised seeds... If you want to spout a load of half baked nonsense about this, MNS has a forum where you will find lots of people to agree with you.

 

[mexcurandero420]

He is King of business of many coloured seeds

Keep on growing

 

[gaiusmarius]

well the whole king thing is a bit of a joke really, but it doesn't change the facts regarding properly made fem seeds. i'm no fan of their marketing tactics, but they do seem to work, lol.

 

[thesloppy]

It seems worth noting that the people who claim to never use female seeds also claim to know the most about how they grow. Please tell me more about the three paragraphs you've read on the subject, and I'll just ignore the thousands of plants I've grown/bred from fem'ed seeds (and the millions grown by others) in the last ~5 years since they were introduced. While anecdotal evidence may not qualify as scientific evidence, choosing to just ignore/invalidate that much evidence (and the lack thereof on the other side) hardly qualifies as any kind of science.

Likewise folks' grandstanding cries about morals and ethics in the seed marketing business ring less true if their passions only extend to repeatedly making a stand/statement about a single company, in a business absolutely FULL of shady marketers.

...all that said, Arjan is obviously a humongous tool.

 

[txuck]

somebody said colombian landcrace??

from my trip 2012, alone by myself,,, with my parseros

Corinto, punto rojo, mango bich y pelo rosa...

agur

 

[txuck]

More pics ... pura vida, colombia is my second home,,, best wishes to all the paisas..
quiuvo

 

[thesloppy]

Lovely pics txuck! My fingers are cramping up, just thinking about trimming some of those ladies.

 

[kiwigreen420]

Nothing is more sexy than a purple landrace or pure sativa. Very very nice columbians you're showing us txuck, please tell me you at least got seeds from the purple one.

I sit on the fence with the whole fems vs regs. I slightly prefer regs because im an outdoor/breeding obsessed person. On the other hand fems are practical for limited space or if you just want to grow some kick ass females for smoke without the stress of males. I strongly believe you have a better of getting nicer phenos with regs - but that's only what i believe not fact.
Old timers haze by member gkn

These are the most beautiful plants i have ever seen in my life

 

[advancedbrain]

Such beautiful plants! :jawdrop:

Honestly, landrace sativas are in my opinion the most photogenic plants that there are... those christmas tree shapes, purple colors, thin leaves; damn I'm so jealous right now!