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No, they fucking don't.

Genetics controls metabolism which controls nutrient uptake.

Red stem from seed means real low energy and poor nutrient quality on the parent that formed the seeds
 

growsjoe1

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Or it is genetics. Cannabis strains may have red stems genetically.

I've seen plants produce a multitude of variations...maybe the isssue here is quantity of plant grown. Just can't fathom a situation where ALL PLANTS produce green stems...or for that matter any one color.


But the issue is cluttering up a good thread...need to stay on topic and I for one am going to drop it.

Peace
 

jidoka

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if you start with red stems you have lost health/yield even if they green up later. Getting ca, b, si and p into the plant early is key
 
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No, they fucking don't.

Genetics controls metabolism which controls nutrient uptake.

Red stem from seed means real low energy and poor nutrient quality on the parent that formed the seeds

so bodhi ( f1 ) and myself did a shit job of feeding our plants while they were in seed ...... good to know . better not forget loompa and aficionado also .

personally i cant believe you guys are still crapping on about it .
 

orechron

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With a name like Aficionado, theres no way he could grow anything less than perfect right? All growers are people, who make mistakes or do not do things perfectly. Unfortunately, small oversights in a fertility program or a soil mix can lead to obvious signs that a plant isn't getting everything it wants.

We're still crapping on about it because there is misinformation being spread.

Avenger,

Did I miss the part of that study where they talked about the media or soil that the dogwoods were in?

Lots of media that is used in greenhouses or maybe botanical gardens is not amended well or at all on top of being light mixes that can't hold cations well. The last research greenhouse that I spent time in used sunshine #4 and plant health sucked because they were taking plants full term in it with liquid fertilizers. Whole corn stalks turned red within a few weeks. If they can't build chlorophyll with the little magnesium in the peat, they have to build a pigment out of just carbon to protect themselves. Makes sense.
 

Avenger

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The horizontally-staked C. stolonifera
stems were planted in fertile soil and irrigated regularly, and
it seems probable, therefore, that the dark red colour
exclusive to their uppermost surfaces was a response to
elevated radiation levels rather than to other abiotic stressors

thats about all they say about the soil
 
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BAKED_BEANZ

very helpful avenger ,

sorry shcrews , though i know your probably not bothered anyway with a little diversion in your thread .

look forward too some more pics ,
 

Shcrews

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i like info. this stuff seems over my head though but i can always revisit it. thanks everyone

to me purple stem = deficiency, also sometimes combined with environmental stress. some strains may be more prone to it but that seems to be the general rule.
 

Shcrews

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been going through the harvest at a good rate. numbers are a bit lower than last year but overall plant health / bud quality is vastly improved. also only had 1/3 the number of plants this year so that accounts for a lot of the difference. still though it seems that my biggest plants last year outyielded my biggest this year. none have hit double digits yet despite being huge plants.

Seems i will probably hit a 5-6lb average this yr but who knows. it's all over the board. next year i will grow fewer strains and try to bump my per-plant average up significantly. All the Ancient OG's crushed it though, structure, yield, potency, terpenes... i think that will always be a big part of my garden after seeing it prove itself time and time again.

only 2 plants left in the field, 2-Wave Hold Down and a big Goji OG. i started to see a few spider mites on the Goji, i've never seen spider mites on any outdoor plants here so not sure what to think of that. probably just a sign that the plant is reaching the end of it's life cycle and perhaps it's battery life as well

havent seen single piece of mold or mildew on the ganja. very happy about that. some of the cover crop is covered with PM though, it seems to be really bad on one certain species growing from the 12-seed cover crop blend, not sure which one it is. maybe clover. i will take a picture. PM is worse on some mounds than others.
 

jidoka

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sometimes the cover crop does not need as much N as the cannabis. So when you put it in your cannabis soil it uptakes too much NO3 and becomes a PM magnet.

Schrews...quality was driven by your high Ca numbers but yield was limited by that low K you had. It is always a fine line between the two. Learn to use that K sap meter next year and you can get much closer.
 

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Interesting article. Anthocyanin then explains why my NL6 X Appalchia turned purple on the sunlight side (stems, leaves and calyxes), while remained green on the shaded side.... Nearly a perfect 50/50 distribution.... And I don't really believe the plants were low on P...

Shcrews, your flowers are amazing again this year! Looking frosty and chunky.

OAKY,

Great observation. You seem to be very in touch with your plants. Good sign of a great grower.

The production of anthocyanin or the lack of happens to be of special interest to me, most specifically in table grapes.

In Mexico, there is very big problem getting the red or purple color (Anthocyanins) in red, purple or black grapes. Their magnesium is off the charts, with heavy Mg in the water and in their soils and most growers applying more and more since there is none in their leaves...they believe it is trapped in the soil... (I used to say the same thing for more than 20 years). Mg pushes out Ca.

Here in Peru, the problem is exactly the opposite, all the colored grapes (sounds racist) are all too dark.

Anthocyanin is made by the plant to "SPECIFIC STRESSES". Not all stress causes the plant to make anthocyanins.

On a scale of 0-14, the irradiation level here is 15. That is a serious stress. Burns everything.

Here in Peru, naturally occurring there is some 400+ppms of K in the soil. High K makes the fruit darker.

Here in Peru, there is low to medium P, 40 to 80 ppms. Everyone that I help likes 400+ppms of P much better..... and the fruit does not darken as much. Labs are used to reading off charts, not matching K to P. That concept only came from one man, Carey Reams, who in my mind was a genius.

Here in Peru sodium issues are huge, as are carbonates and bicarbonates. Higher pH makes P availability goes down. All the above issues push pH up.

K looks just like Na to the plant, so there is reason to believe that high K and Na vs P levels is highly suspect, not just high K.

Without enough Zn and Mn, plants can have enough P but can't use it correctly.

And then of course there is Ca. And yes, getting Ca up high really seems to help. Where we have high Ca (83-86%) in the colored grapes, the color is EXACTLY as it should be.

Personally, everything that I have ever tried that had purple in it wasn't too good....

:tiphat:
 

plantingplants

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I noticed aphids on a couple of my buckwheat cover plants.

Is there anywhere at all to pick up AOG seeds or clones? I want some consistency too next year but I'm not trying to grow blue dream.
 

Shcrews

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I noticed aphids on a couple of my buckwheat cover plants.

Is there anywhere at all to pick up AOG seeds or clones? I want some consistency too next year but I'm not trying to grow blue dream.

if you make it to emerald cup i'll give you some aog seeds

AOG is not what i would call consistent, although it is consistently great.. Every plant seems to have a different structure and terpene profile, although there are some dominant traits. I want to stabilize the strain a bit by backcrossing it. I found a real winner this season, the holy grail so to speak. She's the best AOG i've ever grown and i made sure to save cuts which are now moms and soon will give me more cuts to start my breeding project.
 

blkantha

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OAKY,

Great observation. You seem to be very in touch with your plants. Good sign of a great grower.

The production of anthocyanin or the lack of happens to be of special interest to me, most specifically in table grapes.

In Mexico, there is very big problem getting the red or purple color (Anthocyanins) in red, purple or black grapes. Their magnesium is off the charts, with heavy Mg in the water and in their soils and most growers applying more and more since there is none in their leaves...they believe it is trapped in the soil... (I used to say the same thing for more than 20 years). Mg pushes out Ca.

Here in Peru, the problem is exactly the opposite, all the colored grapes (sounds racist) are all too dark.

Anthocyanin is made by the plant to "SPECIFIC STRESSES". Not all stress causes the plant to make anthocyanins.

On a scale of 0-14, the irradiation level here is 15. That is a serious stress. Burns everything.

Here in Peru, naturally occurring there is some 400+ppms of K in the soil. High K makes the fruit darker.

Here in Peru, there is low to medium P, 40 to 80 ppms. Everyone that I help likes 400+ppms of P much better..... and the fruit does not darken as much. Labs are used to reading off charts, not matching K to P. That concept only came from one man, Carey Reams, who in my mind was a genius.

Here in Peru sodium issues are huge, as are carbonates and bicarbonates. Higher pH makes P availability goes down. All the above issues push pH up.

K looks just like Na to the plant, so there is reason to believe that high K and Na vs P levels is highly suspect, not just high K.

Without enough Zn and Mn, plants can have enough P but can't use it correctly.

And then of course there is Ca. And yes, getting Ca up high really seems to help. Where we have high Ca (83-86%) in the colored grapes, the color is EXACTLY as it should be.

Personally, everything that I have ever tried that had purple in it wasn't too good....

:tiphat:

Slow,

This year onwards i am trying reams thought that when doing foliar with micros i add little phos acid to tank. It seems to give good brix for leaves.
In soil application of micros mixing with SSP does it add any advantage?
 

plantingplants

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Thanks for the offer shcrews, I appreciate it. I might go, not sure yet. I don't mind different phenos, I just don't want every plant in the garden to be different. Actually every Dream Beaver I had this year looked the exact same- did you see different DB phenos? Mine were all stretchy with long thin colas and very frosty.

So you did the AOG open pollination, and now you're going to use your keeper AOG from this year to backcross to a few of the F2s you'll grow out?
 
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