MASSIVE OUTDOOR GROW

[Julian]

Eh, that was just one example. I haven't really talked on phone in 15-20yrs, but, flowed into it regarding surveillance and such......people and their "codes" , yeah, " I need 40 birthday cakes", which just might work if your cover was a banquet hall , and all the other little things.......was just an example....I don't think anyone should ever use phones, but, people do, so......

You know, when young, I came from a circle of there is no "quick".

You want to stop, you need something?, then your coming to sit, talk, have a drink, grill some steaks, etc.........6hrs later, you'll get your stuff.....(or maybe dropped off while your there having a steak.....

You feel need to say something? Why, whatever you want is there and waiting?, WTF is there to say???

Was more comments on general security than phones and how people forget the actual path of reason on things....there is preventative behavior relating to an initial inquiry, (Don't tell, etc, etc), and then maintenance.....such as trash, etc, etc.....

Anyway, I'll say this.....I think this year is going to be tree year.........

Usually I get them in early, 6"-1ft right about now (within 2 weeks or so), sometimes maybe 2', rarely over...(couple years ago did some SS WR's, put them out early at about 4ft, last minute switch off and plans and turns out pretty cool.....

Know right now have couple places going for different things, haven't been by there because feeling a little skittish about that stuff, but, know at least one spot they are pushing 4ft bushes, so, might just be throwing those out (right now about deadline, either shave them all up, or throw them out, but, I'm not sure if others can carry that task out, so, might just tell them hold back couple, I'll be over eventually, when able to shave em all down......plus, I have to write up a direction manual for couple to plant those, since don't want to go anywhere around there right now, so, thinking lot of things might get pushed back and might just hit it heavy in a little while and stick to mid seasons.......(everything right now really tight and cramped, not good for their growth....... has to be cleaned out and prepped for another run....) Maybe figure out a way to get to planting sites....modern mobile surveillance has far too many holes in it....Large parking lots, no fly zones (airports), indoor parking garages,public transportation,large office buildings, etc.....

Might get the BOG and the lemon pink stuff going, have to get some of those done for stock, for upcoming larger.......right now just want to get all spaces cleaned and have them empty for a little while (pots set up, rooms mapped, maybe even filled, just nothing going....Maybe kill them altogether and have another set up quick.....maybe skip then May and start running in late June and continue till the end of season....(This/earlier rounds, they're extremely large, and, quite a few, as said.....I usually get early things out about now 5" and some end up 16ft if not touched (fimmed, topped, etc), so......my curiosity is peaked at putting them out now as 3-4-5 footers......(although transportation issues slightly changed, and, how I have always done such is longer boxes, lay them sideways and layer them, alternating each side......works very, very well......)

So...............

 

[Guest]

Good read although i feel the title is not appropriate,should be called the "Massive Common Sense Lecture" Lol.

 

[Julian]

Which shows didn't even get through first paragraph, first post.

Thanks for contributing......Feel free to take over......I like to read too ya know....

I assume when back, I'll learn something new. So.......Enlighten me from that comfortable armchair. Surely an endless supply of topics and issues not touched on for you to choose from.

 

[InjectTruth]

Its a great week for diggin and planting where Im at. Showers and clouds for the last few days with no end in sight.

Im singing in the rain...

 

[fatbob166]

I hear you Truth......Prepped some holes myself a few weeks ago. Raining for the next few days, then cloudy the next few after that. Perfect weather for clones to harden off in. Can't wait to get out there, and plant my babies.

 

[steelecity]

Julian, do you ever FIM or prune your plants in any way to get more out of them?

 

[InjectTruth]

I believe in the thread, he has mentioned topping plants, not so much for yield, but more to change their shape and profile, aka, keep them lower to the ground.

 

[Julian]

Absolutely in thread......early things in nice holes and such left untopped/fimmed can get fuckin unruly to say the least , but, the realistic process is this:

You know, should be done initially at certain time....okay, problem is I usually want to get them out before that size...and then if almost there sometimes the retard in me doesn't want to, because I worry about stress (top and out same period, etc)....so, then it becomes "well, a week or so, after they have "grabbed" and "settled in", we can get back and do them, we have to".....but then get wrapped up in next rounds, and unless everyone on top of it all, sometimes doesn't get done..., which has in the past kind of pissed me off because I can't do everything myself....and on nd on it goes, so.......that's my main problem...usually not big enough before they go out to, and after out already on next rounds, etc, but, I prefer it for all reasons mentioned above.....earlier......profile, splitting, tipping, etc...the way I usually explain it to partners is:
Imagine throwing a 20lb bag of dog food on top half of plants (untopped)....(figure arrived at by using roughly 10-1 ratio wet to cured and estimated 2+lbs on larger ones.....comes out to wet almost 20lbs, large bag of dog food....so......

Sometimes can get them more than once....sometimes never gets done at all......as is always the way of the extremist I suppose ......

 

[marto]

Julian do the cuttings become part of your clone stock? or do you rely on mothers. Also, i hear you mention that you like to plant your seedlings in sync with a rain shower to help them "grab". but what happens if the storm fizzles out. Do they become bosais or get stunted or die if they miss that rain in the first couple of weeks. Thanks for your help.

 

[Purkle]

Sheesh I gotta surf through alot of pages to find all the good points on this one!! Thanks for your great input julian.

 

[Julian]

Julian do the cuttings become part of your clone stock? or do you rely on mothers. Also, i hear you mention that you like to plant your seedlings in sync with a rain shower to help them "grab". but what happens if the storm fizzles out. Do they become bosais or get stunted or die if they miss that rain in the first couple of weeks. Thanks for your help.

All addressed earlier extensively, but, since smack at the beginning of planting for almost all, and, it is always worth repeating, I will:

Spring and summer storms for and dissipate immeasurably faster than winter, so, therefore, your watching your extended 2 week outlooks daily...I check twice a day.......what shows you 4 days of rain next week, can tomorrow show you rain in 3 days and sunny and clear all next week...

You have to keep an eye on it, always...

1. No, because given the above, and the fact I soak all before travel, and then water hole, and then crystals also...most of the time, they are fine, as spring temps to start with not bad, they're small, so less needs, etc...

(as above many times now, I had patches go last year several weeks without rain, all were fine (with crystals, as above) one without crystals didn't make it......I've also had several times which I made a break for it and planted them in the pouring rain....)

You watch your extended 2 week forecast, once in morning and once in evening....

Now, to those with no rainfall to start with, might see the smallest difference.....but, many will be amazed at the differences one will see in forecasts sometimes even from morning to night, let alone one day to the next...

You watch it close, you keep your schedule in mind, and you go from there...sometimes all on schedule, sometimes not, and you have to improvise and adapt to get it done right.....

I've had more than my share of 20hr work days, only then to find planting all night, get back, shower, start answering calls and right back to work.....(depends, I do several different things, sometimes at desk all day, sometimes out all day, depends what and where I am working on......when trading heavy, doesn't matter, can sit around in robe, sleep, do what I like, but, when other matters to attend to, no choice....

Lot of people also have trouble with that at start of season....(ie: weather looks good, nice day time, not bad night time, they make a break, they get started, only to find next week nights in the 30's, and snow, etc).....

Always watch your 2 week extended, check morning and night....

For those with less than a photographic memory?....feel free to print them out, morning, then night, then next morning and compare all the differences.........

They can't predict too far in advance that well in spring and summer, even fall due to how fast systems form and dissipate...

All my other practices and opinions above in thread. (mothers, cuttings, etc)

 

[BritishColumbia]

So your a day trader......tell what you think of this company > http://www.gwpharm.com/investors_share_charts.asp I believe the FDA is on the 3rd and final trial for sativex,it's already available in Canada and will soon be available in great britain.Their's no doubt that the share price will double in the future,it's been up N down for some time now.

 

[Julian]

So your a day trader......tell what you think of this company > http://www.gwpharm.com/investors_share_charts.asp I believe the FDA is on the 3rd and final trial for sativex,it's already available in Canada and will soon be available in great britain.Their's no doubt that the share price will double in the future,it's been up N down for some time now.

All addressed at length (at length) in thread....and, no, I'm not, and even the people who are classified as such, aren't really either technically (all in thread.)

 

[Julian]

Was talking with someone today, thought I'd add it (even though something addressed....)

Now is the time.....

Ferocity....

There is no "tired"........there is no stopping......there is no "letting up"....

Next 30 days for most will dictate the entire season......(even if one is planting all season......)

There is no "can't"....

Was watching some stupid ass flick this morning when I cam in (5am?....)....but they recited several times "a/the winner gets it done"........"figures out a way to get it done"....some stupid shit like that (but true nonetheless.....)

I wouldn't think there is anyone here (even smaller) whose not working at a rate of $1,000 an hour right now...

$1,000 an hour?........

Sign me up for 120hrs a week for 6 months



Hope everyone good so far......on schedule.....safe......"in the zone"......

 

[Julian]

On subject of potential profitability.....

Round it out to 300lbs per MM.........

For some, could be 100 plants.......(3lb'ers....or more)....

Could be 300 1lb'ers......

Could be 600 1/2lb'ers......

Could be 1200 1/4 lb'ers......

3 partners?...need 750k each?...triple figures....(300/900/1800/3600), or variations (2 major partners with helpers priced out at less for different tasks....)

or 4,000 2 oz'ers.......or, a combination of the above.....

Good starting point, always 300 per MM....

100 trees could be reduced to a 10 x 10 rough configuration.....(10 rows, 10 plants......spaced and scattered.....)

Just throwing some math in now and then to put a more realistic spin on it.....

100k?......

30lbs.....(using 3k per more or less).....

could be 30 plants....60 plants.....120 plants...(120 1/4 lb'ers very simple if spots to choose from.....10 spots, 12 each, 1/4 lb'ers smaller........12 spots, 10 each, mid season, topped.....some good sun?........

I hope everyone surpasses their targets........

(personally, not sure what to make of this season yet......don't like the start nationwide......(weather)......little irregular.....maybe a long drier season to come?........(long wet?...).....not sure what to make of it myself....still watching weather...(many regions.....)

 

[clearcutter]

(personally, not sure what to make of this season yet......don't like the start nationwide......(weather)......little irregular.....maybe a long drier season to come?........(long wet?...).....not sure what to make of it myself....still watching weather...(many regions.....)

For me, it has been much cooler and drier than normal. It has pushed my planed start date back by almost a month. But the extra time has allowed me to prep my planed spots better than ever before, so it may be for the better.

 

[GroBoy2000]

Was talking with someone today, thought I'd add it (even though something addressed....)

Now is the time.....

Ferocity....

There is no "tired"........there is no stopping......there is no "letting up"....

Next 30 days for most will dictate the entire season......(even if one is planting all season......)

There is no "can't"....

Was watching some stupid ass flick this morning when I cam in (5am?....)....but they recited several times "a/the winner gets it done"........"figures out a way to get it done"....some stupid shit like that (but true nonetheless.....)

I wouldn't think there is anyone here (even smaller) whose not working at a rate of $1,000 an hour right now...

hard to think we need to be reminded of that figure, but oh well, thanks, no reason for any of us to be sitting on the coucb burning one when we could be walking/prepping spots, unless of course, thats exactly what we want to be doing, and left to do at the end of the season

but me, yeah, I'm with you

$1,000 an hour?........

Sign me up for 120hrs a week for 6 months

Can I get that same contract?

Actually still finding good spots, have eyes on modest number of places, mine will still remain mostly a 3 mo season from Aug-Oct, Id like to see a handful of early stuff how, to see how big I could get it, but my time on ground in areas really doesnt cover my ass yet, few more weeks necessary, my spring spot/partner is a closed road, no getting through, everything you look for not to be in a partner, little shady, wants something for nothing, snatches lighters at the gas station, finds girls that inspire him to do more dope than they do, i cant risk my ass anymore to try and help it

speaking of spring, waiting to see dried stuff, had some rains, so might not be good, but the early cut/dry buds was some very satisfying stuff

hope to see the best of this thread to come still, as julian said, many people surpassing their targets

everyone stay safe, and keep aware

edit: hmmm, obviously I havent read near enough, DEA shows seemed to reveal a a little, from traffic stop all the way to 80lbs one show? my opinion was here are clips of them against us, should be useful to anyone, naturally I expected some element of propaganda and bullshit

 

[Julian]

For me, it has been much cooler and drier than normal. It has pushed my planed start date back by almost a month. But the extra time has allowed me to prep my planed spots better than ever before, so it may be for the better.

Well, for many cooler and wetter than normal....and a later start......much different from last year (hence every season always different) which leaves me wondering if we are iun for a longer, warmer season....a longer drier season......etc....guess we will see when underway....sure some statistics in there somewhere, but, weather not always predictable (an entire season, especially at start), we'll see....for me?, last year a good year....could have been a little better but was happy...(start of season was a little dry in many parts), so....but, as you said from your situation.......good can come from it (benefit of moist and cool can be more moisture in ground and cool keeping it there for longer...........cooler can be them settling in easier than if was hotter, etc......so.....

You know, just getting in, so, kind of waiting to see how plays out, etc......

Every season different.......every season brings different results (for those whose weather varies from season to season)...so.......good season this year, bad season?....guess we will all find out as it gets underway......

I'm not displeased for many reasons, and, it's all working out for the best given specifics of my situation, location, plans, etc, so.....Guess we'll see

hard to think we need to be reminded of that figure, but oh well, thanks, no reason for any of us to be sitting on the couch burning one when we could be walking/prepping spots, unless of course, thats exactly what we want to be doing, and left to do at the end of the season

but me, yeah, I'm with you

Well, no, not necessarily.....lot of reasons and sources of peoples motivation, thought processes, and experiences, etc.....I had a couple moments here and there already with problems, etc....little things, etc, but, you know.....end result....motivation......unwavering.......etc......

Can I get that same contract?

Actually still finding good spots, have eyes on modest number of places, mine will still remain mostly a 3 mo season from Aug-Oct, Id like to see a handful of early stuff how, to see how big I could get it, but my time on ground in areas really doesnt cover my ass yet, few more weeks necessary, my spring spot/partner is a closed road, no getting through, everything you look for not to be in a partner, little shady, wants something for nothing, snatches lighters at the gas station, finds girls that inspire him to do more dope than they do, i cant risk my ass anymore to try and help it

speaking of spring, waiting to see dried stuff, had some rains, so might not be good, but the early cut/dry buds was some very satisfying stuff

Your on same contract..... everyone is........can't tell me that much work wouldn't come out the same for anyone else?.........

Well, being aware is half the battle........I'd say maintain control (vs. the other way around) and just limit his activities and knowledge.....

I was telling someone else growing with a couple partners for first time, but, they're all close and know each other, etc.....you know....fine...you know someone....you know them a long time, etc...

You think you know them?...

End of op you will see if you did......

Sometimes might be pleasantly surprised (I have before.........in serious fuckin ways about people).......or, might find out they are not even close to the person you thought they were...

(I recently experienced the former........respect for them went up 10 fold, and, realized, possessed qualities and intelligence triple I thought.....and I have known them 25 years....

People should cling a little less tightly to what they think they know...

(I knew in advance I would learn a lot more than I thought.......but, I wasn't sure what it would reveal.......so......)

edit: hmmm, obviously I havent read near enough, DEA shows seemed to reveal a a little, from traffic stop all the way to 80lbs one show? my opinion was here are clips of them against us, should be useful to anyone, naturally I expected some element of propaganda and bullshit

Well, of course one should not have expected anything more than "entertainment".........it's mainstream TV.......

Mainstream doesn't want to know details some of us might....would turn it into deeper documentary and in the process lose "entertainment" value....

Mainstream wants "action"...they don't want to think.....

Link above somewhere in thread about Cali hilltop underground.....40+ page warrant.......I would think that alone would give someone a much greater insight into Operations than any show ever would....as well as any other cases one can find and read through, etc.......publications, Operations manuals, etc.....(Can purchase training textbooks all day long.....not cheap...($75-$200 each), but.....no lack of specific information out there......here's a good one on CI's, can read half book online for free.......procedure, operations, asset investigations, operations manuals, etc.........any and everything is just out there waiting for ya

You know man...it's fuckin Spike TV...

Not going to find anything of significance...

Can search and acquire specific information about any aspect all day long...publications, court docs, etc....all day long...(I have....can spend 20hrs a day reading all that shit.....easily....)

 

[SilverSurfer_OG]

Hey Julian.

I hope you dont mind if i shoot you some Q's... these might have been covered before but its long time since i skimmed all these pages...

How long would you know someone before would consider them a potential partner?
Would you grow indoors?
Do you think its safe to be a grower and a dealer?

Cheers.

 

[Julian]

Hey Julian.

Hey man.

I hope you dont mind if i shoot you some Q's... these might have been covered before but its long time since i skimmed all these pages...

Eh, we'll see, was stopping in to actually add something along the lines of below, so......might be convenient..

How long would you know someone before would consider them a potential partner?

I wanted to add some commentary about partners......things maybe not covered already, will below.....

Would you grow indoors?

Would I?....I do, I have.... Even when not running something I still hold back things destined for out and do at the same time. Sometimes more, sometimes less, sometimes none. Other times I am running things (in) other times not, but, no firm stance across the board. I like out best, because I think risk/reward factors most in line.........ie: Your not sitting on something 24/7 somewhere (indoors).......and, single quick run out, even late planted can surpass an entire years work indoors...(lot of people disagree.......but, from absolutely everything I have known or seen, well, out is the way......even comparing to larger things.....20k's.....40k's....etc........minimal time, risk, etc....

I've just been getting into AF's last couple years, but, at this point in time wouldn't hesitate to do acre plus in May with confidence right location, which would rival any larger, and cut off 10 months or risk......

All depends.....without specifics, really can't compare.....

I prefer out for yield...quality is always a little better in ("cleaner", etc....).....out to me safer as comparing couple months to entire year of work plus risk......out a good chance if discovered they'll be pulled...indoor?.....no such luck.........they're not going to drop it that easy..(at all, period)....

Do you think its safe to be a grower and a dealer?

Well, let's be realistic..........most people are....

I don't use the word dealer.......whether big or small...just selling to people you know, and, if you don't know them?...well, that's where your going to get problems sooner or later.......

Lot of stuff earlier, elsewhere........you know, my position has always been for the most part that one should always stick firmly to it came from a friend.......only a little, you want more?...well, we'll see, maybe he does, maybe he doesn't, I'll check ....Nice cure on it, etc.....and, that's about aas safe as some can get, but they don't even go that far......

Let's be honest,.....in or out, young or old.....I have always sold what I have grown....and, before anti comm. people start their muttering and condemning....(as they sell their family and friends ps )....I smoke it, I keep it, I enjoy it, just as much as everyone else.....and, if didn't, I wouldn't have started in the first place.... ....

Even if one grows and hands it all off to a single person exclusively (be it 5$ or crop or 90% of crops).......well, label still applies.....

My position has always been if any weight....set up a friend...make them some money.........hand off smaller to them, let them go through it, and, minimal risk to all.....ie: if your doing 10...hand them 1 at a time, their max exposure is 1....etc.....make sure known all aspects....risk (if they get caught, nothing will happen for a p, so, relax, keep mouth shut, and you'll pay for attorney, etc)....if larger?, well, the options are endless but same....better off having someone else take care of it, if even only to save the headaches and free up the time for work and things you like better

Perfect analogy: Farmer doesn't stand in grocery store does he? He sells to those who do and let's them do their job....

People will do what they wish to do.........some will adhere to security as they should....some will not, etc.....

Growing in home and selling?.....well, another perfect example and argument for having someone else handle it.......

Let's be further realistic:
Anyone reading this (well, who grows ).....you know......it's a fuckin printing press......

Back to the green calculator for a moment, shall we?

What's worth more? 10lbs at $40,000 and your ass on line, increasing risk 10 fold?

or 10lbs at $31500 keeping you save...(kicking $850 per to person handling it?.....)

Just an example....but, $850 per?....that you gave to someone as an opportunity?....that they have little to do actually and less risk depending on how they handle it?......

Should keep one pretty safe

But, all the hints.......the wet bud.......same bud every round....doesn't matter if people know, they will, and, so will the people getting it, and, something happens?, as said, they on on it for "the source"......so....

You know man, endless things one can do to protect themselves, insulate, isolate, etc........(single person could also do 3 batches, store, tear down and milk it slow, etc.......I have known a few who do such approach...(I gave them the idea to start with).....so....(another benefit to why I run so many different things, all the time, every year.......same thing all the time?, nice?....well....someone knows something...100 different things on a consistent basis?......more indicates it coming from a different place, etc.....

All depends on ones level of comfort.........

Will get to partner issues below either now or in a few....