MASSIVE OUTDOOR GROW

[Julian]

Im gonna set my target at 6,000 plants total in the ground: ( 2000 nebulas, 2000 arjan ultra haze3, 2000 kali-mists)

That's why were here.........that's what we're talking about.........

I hope all in order (all procedures to make everything as efficient as possible, and, cover everything later on......ie: sometimes people create a step in process, or ignore or eliminate steps which actually create more work later on...

Sounds good though.......not sure if I will be hitting that this year, still putting together a lot of projects and such and keeping an eye on a lot of things...but.....while people will, as always, state many reasons why such can't be done (even though they are across the world daily).....I just hope everything in order.........Can be a lot easier when everything set up to run efficiently...

Couple different random notes......
People tend to focus everything on one op, and, we have discussed partnerships lately.....and, of course the point and earlier is one op, one partnership....well, doesn't mean that has to be only thing one does during season.....

Can still do your own..(I always have and always do......sometimes several)...and, can also do other things with other people....(always making sure each knows nothing of the other, and never telling anyone you have other things.........for many reasons.....from practical to security to wise ......)

I recently found out one of my projects spots (general) is sand, as in why not just bag all that shit up and give it to so and so to put by his pond so his kids can build sandcastles sand......as in the beach....as in 100% sand......with a high water table..(3' holes, bottom 6" filled with water), so, will be working that......was not too optimistic to start , but, now see all the angles to that....(I have never done sand....my assumption was always absorbent when supposedly drains too well)...so.....we will see how that works out...(which it will, but, would have liked to know sooner, but, doesn't matter anyway since enough supplies, and range of supplies to deal with it accordingly, so....optimistic...Just have to channel more supplies one way, and, accumulate more, which I knew was the case anyway...10,000lbs above, while may sound quite large.....really isn't much...depends what your talking....great native soil?....it very well could be a lot...but, full prep?.......10k isn't shit.....my new estimates I'm coming up with putting total needed at about 60,000lbs or more....(ie: if 10-20lbs a hole......not bad....it talking up to 60-80lbs of stuff a hole......well......it ain't shit..(including everything in weight.......nutes a smaller fraction.......2,000lbs of nutes can go a long way....everything else isn't shit....can go through 2,000lbs worm castings like it was nothing...(10lbs,200 holes, your already out and need more)...

Who knows.....could be going well over 100 tons this year.....(And before mathematically challenged idiots give me shit.......at 100lbs a hole, that's not even enough for 2500 plants....or 50lbs per 5,000.......or, some worse, some better.....some left over for next season, which, when lucky, is the case and welcomed...

I would just say given the above for 6,000, watch your budget and make sure everything right the first time......if you can afford increased expenses.....such, all works out well and not a problem, but, someone on a budget who runs short once or twice in a season....well, it can be a serious problem and it all adds up quick.......(I can drop a grand easy just on bullshit.......extra scissors, gloves for people,trimmers, sprayers, all the way to nutes, everything else, all the way to food, gas,...all the way to other supplies........rentals end of season, etc......all adds up......(I probably spend 5k in gas in a busy season....sandy one very, very far....)

Anyway......Hope all goes well.......hope everything under control and set up right and ready to go.......

 

[buzzy]

It's nearly 4.40am here, and I've just done my first urban spot plant outs, and OH MY GOD, my heart was beating very fucking hard at some points! But it was so good, i rushed home for more plants and did another spot!! can't wait until tomorrow, hahaha....

 

[Julian]

It's nearly 4.40am here, and I've just done my first urban spot plant outs, and OH MY GOD, my heart was beating very fucking hard at some points! But it was so good, i rushed home for more plants and did another spot!! can't wait until tomorrow, hahaha....

Yep, all sounds about right.................

Including the fact so wired can do more, another round ....I know the feeling well....adrenaline is a magical thing...........but, a lot of angles to it.......so......always know and understand and take a break......getting in and out always good....but, repeat trips increase risk...(I would say the same of a larger farther out spot..........bring everything you want to do......throw in some extra .....and your done.....repeat trips.....increase exposure....

The flip side is going back another day........which I think is equally risky as going back the same.....it's another trip....




On a different fun note:

4.40am,just done my first urban spot plants, OH MY GOD, my heart was beating very fucking hard at some points!

But it was so good

I forgot earlier.........and wanted to add something about "bustin people's cherries" , and the above (first time) made me think of it......

I have for several people lately for their outdoor experience............and, mass drilling, large volume, etc........kinda funny.....people who, ya know.......they have done some.....and they thought they knew what I was talking about, but, after the initial work and holes and prep and unloading and plantings? Admitted far, far beyond what they ever imagined and now totally understand what I was trying to tell them for months and months and make them understand, etc.....was kinda funny.....ie: I can say "pretty big", but, until you see 1,000 holes, ya really don't understand.....I can say "lot of work", but until you unload 2 tons of shit by hand and drill 500 holes...etc..........something I wanted to add earlier and forgot about.....

4:40 am.......urban?.......getting in and out successfully and doing your work?.....

Make no mistake man, your a bad mutherfucker

On 2 similar notes:
Timing:
Urban spots kind of hard sometimes.......easier and safer to be on road just after sundown......ie: when and where and how.........is it safer to be out at 9:30 and get to work, be walking, be on street, etc......or is it safer to be there 3:30am......(I've done both, for different reasons, but, the former can sometimes be safer......)

For example:
Let's say your out........your scoping....your preparing yourself mentally.......you park.....you turn off vehicle...get out of car, open door/trunk, grab all your bags, close trunk, turn around and there are narcs right there......(I swear on mother that happened to me )

That time it was earlier....(maybe 10pm).......2-3-4am....I might have had a problem....and, frankly......probably lucky...because if was me?.....I would have stopped me briefly to see where I was going, what I was doing, etc....(Wal Mart bags though........see...........a reason I use those...guy getting out of car, some groceries..........even cops don't even give it a second thought )

Now, the other angle which was discussed earlier, and people have to keep in mind, is:
I would cage anything, anywhere........everything should be.......people tend to think of deer and stuff, but, even in a major metro....you still have rabbits and such, racoons, etc........so.....of course, can't really cage in urban spots (well, actually could, would most likely work fine...) but, problem with that is carrying them in, etc...cages don't fit in wal mart bags to simply , so....that is another issue to be aware of with urban spots.......(herbivores, etc.......)...

I've been making my little breaks here and there .....and, have some stuff I am concerned about...was supposed to have some heavy storms....got passed over......so, just sitting out there....all nice and green and succulent for those little fuckers ....so.....

Just wanted to bring back up/repeat those angles..(time and animals.....)....fuck, some city spots might even be able to cage plots....but, the way I get in spots, how I plant (working them in as I go along)......nah...not practical......hard to get in some spots just with supplies alone , let alone a partial roll of wire or pre cut cages .....

Urban?......well, I'd say be proud, and be satisfied that you pulled off the initial steps to what most average people never even think about, and, some growers don't even understand or think is possible ...

(Animals?...if anything is going to happen, it's going to be more now then later.....just remember....every subsequent trip, whether to plant more, or to check for any reason increases the risk it can be found....you can be seen entering, exiting, etc.........so.....going back?....a judgment call..........maybe you can get back....maybe you have the energy to get back and do more.....but, question is should you?...Hope they work well........you will be impressed with quality I am sure (My urbans always insane quality.....due to all factors, etc....have never had a mold issue in my life from urban.....always cleaner too .....(wind I suppose, less humidity than forest locations, etc)...

 

[buzzy]

I forgot earlier.........and wanted to add something about "bustin people's cherries" , and the above (first time) made me think of it......

haha, and i have you to thank for totally bustin' mine!
This whole endeavour has given me a refreshed perspective on life, and i feel
like anything is possible now.

I have for several people lately for their outdoor experience............and, mass drilling, large volume, etc........kinda funny.....people who, ya know.......they have done some.....and they thought they knew what I was talking about, but, after the initial work and holes and prep and unloading and plantings? Admitted far, far beyond what they ever imagined and now totally understand what I was trying to tell them for months and months and make them understand, etc.....was kinda funny.....ie: I can say "pretty big", but, until you see 1,000 holes, ya really don't understand.....I can say "lot of work", but until you unload 2 tons of shit by hand and drill 500 holes...etc..........something I wanted to add earlier and forgot about.....

Yeah, I thought I knew... My partner is gonna find out soon

4:40 am.......urban?.......getting in and out successfully and doing your work?.....

Make no mistake man, your a bad mutherfucker

thank you very much for saying so

should finish work by about 12/1am tonight, so I don't think i can resist another one ............. what have you done to me man!?

 

[GroBoy2000]

Yeah, well, my intention wasnt to full dry out, and needed to get to, but actually, had stuff out of state that needed attention, so, multiple reasons was delayed

I'd really like to get a major AF round done....if big enough...might be able to take summer off for once ....(or not .....might not know what to do with myself with so much free time )

Yeah, I tried to pass this through my mind, but I dont see how I could get real nice buds out of the August climate around here, too hot too humid,

Actually, I hit em with a bloom dose....which is what I see now they teach in the Cali schools (not sure if they recommend hitting mother, or hitting kids......I hit moms and then I hit kids second watering/water when cloning.....(absorbs first, first starts to dry, then second is light, light nutes....but, one should always be careful, cause, lot of people burn them.......(I sometimes burn a tiny bit with seedlings/kids, tiny bit, can see a few tips on my trays (clones), but, that's because I push them and when see back it off....

Yeah, that sounds good, I have trays but no pucks on hand, I think Im gonna try a handful in just coco too, I really like that stuff, wish i had more on hand ATM, would probabl;y excite me into using, lol

Absolutely I recall. DP fems PPP. (I got a little stock from those that will be/am running this year....) Liked more?......well, apples and oranges....

Yeah i kinda figured, both their own advantages

Maroc did surprise me with quality.......PP did surprise me with quality....Maroc in forest plots came out nice........PP was mixed......sunny, unobstructed clean plots came out spectacular.....truly....forest plots...not bad, but, not as "crisp and clean" as the wide open spots....Wide open PP was amazing...(for what it is and outdoor).....very pleased.....

(see, when I say those spots, talking sun up to sun down, heavy heavy winds, etc, so.....forest spots not always the case.....some of all, but, not close to 100% sun, 100% wind, etc........)

Better example was forest spots was about 3K more or less per, people liked it (read liked)...open spots......was 4k per, and people lined up for that shit...

Whew, thats pretty impressive right there, would like a round of those

Well, first of all.....your focusing (I think) on wrong angle........

You might only be there 2 times entire season if all well (plant and cut).....and, depending on soil, how many, etc....first time/planting, might only be a little while, and, probably be on hands and knees anyway, planting one to the next......(can also put everything in hefties, so, when in spot, can pull black bags out of carrying bags, and your good)..

The real focus is can the plants be seen.....(which can be altered by time planted, topped, etc.....later planted also....) Depending on access, can also vary times for less traffic....(I like weekends for city spots, etc...go in there later, after dark on a weekend night...but, all depends on access and what is normal and what is not for area, etc.....)

Yeah, I was on wrong track (i think), and Im starting to think more and more this no more visits than necessary is the way to go, drop 3x what I expect to pull, and if something dries upp, then fuck it, better than me drying up in some fucking cell, heavy coco and crystals, topped with guano,

 

[Julian]

haha, and i have you to thank for totally bustin' mine!
This whole endeavour has given me a refreshed perspective on life, and i feel
like anything is possible now.

Was it as good for you as it was for me?



No problem man......all of us (hopefully) do something for the first time every day of our lives, so...... (I try to make it a point to do so......more and more......)

Yeah...perspective......little tweak here and there can change everything we think we know sometimes ...........(very true, because anything always was possible ...)

Growing?......only limit is how much can one germ/clone, spots, and region dictating maintenance.....water being biggest issue......

Some extra food for thought about lightening the work load.......

What I chose to do with the coco bricks were to bust them up a little, and leave them.......(ie: saving hauling water onto sites, will let rain expand.......) As earlier...I change methods and procedures quite often and every op different, so.....I chose to do that last second and also did some locations where holes in advance...planting a little later.

The big point also I set out on was "the season".......lot of us feel under the gun as the days pass.....but....right now?....pfffffttt....not even close to "late".......July 4th actually around one of my favorite planting times and I think earlier had a couple pics of examples...(one plot planted at 1ft July 1st......same ones 30 days later, Aug 1st were 4-6ft.........so.....a reminder also......it may seem late.....but, make no mistake...still going to end up large...(those probably finished 6-9ft depending on what they were.....)

Anyway....yeah, one op, busted them lengthwise, going to let rain expand them, then toss quick before planting when time comes for that one....(If already drilled, already broken up, mix light......can turn easy with handspade before planting......10 -20 seconds to turn maybe 1' x 1'.....(top part of 1' x 3.5'.......)

Yeah, I thought I knew... My partner is gonna find out soon

Well, as above......perception......lot of people have different ideas about process.......steps, and as a whole......and, when I go over it with "new" people....well, I do not let them think it will be "easy" in any way, shape, or form, and, remind throughout lectures "might be the most work you have ever done"........(But, the brightside being that planting and prep and unloading is the "heavy work".....an, after that is done, well.....things get a little easier ......but, depends, for, as you see now....even a quick smaller urban planting......due to all energy(ies) involved and situation.......different kind of work...less hauling and such, but, I ended last year at 100 in less than 60 minutes, and, that was in no way "easy" either ......(and now, out of practice, I start at the low end again and have to work back up to that speed......(ie: when your planting numbers into the thousands upon thousands....well,........your speed improves, efficiency, etc.....this year have swayed a little regarding how "into it" I am......several moments of "Man, wtf, I'm done with this bullshit" ....

Yeah man, I always try to make things seem as worse as I can to prep people before starting....don't want to have anyone whining and complaining......so.....and the annoyance of it really upsets me also...(ie: You prep, train someone, lot of time, energy, work, even money (supplies, books, tools, blah,blah,blah), only to have them puss out when time comes, ya know?....so........I try to make sure all understand as much as possible to avoid any disappointments....

thank you very much for saying so

Well, you just earned it.......so your quite welcome....and will find such will change your perception of many things, in many ways.....

Not to mention.....with such actions and perception and understanding of the process and the world......you now have discovered that all this time you owned a printing press for money ...

(My statement to partners, landowners, etc.....how much are we going to make?...how much can we make?

My reply is always: "How much do you want to make"....pick a number and we'll go through what is necessary to do such .....

Your welcome man......you earned that title......and well deserved....

should finish work by about 12/1am tonight, so I don't think i can resist another one ............. what have you done to me man!?

Welllll....................sometimes you have to resist........be very careful at this point......review plans, plots, procedure..........you know, easy to get wrapped up in it and keep going (story of my life ), but, have to exercise caution at such times........remember: sometimes it's not a question of can you?, but a question of should you....

Ideally, with urban, you want to hit them and not come back.....(getting them in "right" all the more important because sometimes only that shot to do so, get them started, etc, and no chances for maintenance......)

I know......I know.....sometimes can seem just get in, some more (because first time was fine)...then get in there, get more done (because second was fine), but, don't forget....a fine line there.....a very fine line........a single person observing entry or exit, etc.......god forbid that be LE, etc......employees if a site...industrial, whatever, security, etc.........

I believe in, and spend a lot of time "reflecting" throughout season.......pans changing on a moments notice.....adding sites, dumping sites, etc.....for that reason..(we get wrapped up in it sometimes...but have to remember the fine line we walk............I always liked "between the raindrops"..............

Single trip can make or break an entire urban....(being observed, something being found because they want to see what your doing and where your going, etc....)

Single trip can make or break.....fuck.......a single moment...(and, frankly, that goes for out period...big, small, private, public, city, remote......a single moment can change entire direction......

Those last statements being the source of my reflection and cause of the duration........

Walking across the ice in early spring.......never something to do blindly .......

Saw flick last week......."This ain't Checkers mutherfucker..........this is Chess" ...

 

[Julian]

Yeah, well, my intention wasnt to full dry out, and needed to get to, but actually, had stuff out of state that needed attention, so, multiple reasons was delayed..

I gotcha....was just sayin......yeah....I don't believe in going anywhere when harvest up in the air (planting sometimes either...have had to get out of here to get some stuff done, meeting or two, but, haven't been able to with so much up in the air.....)

Yeah, I tried to pass this through my mind, but I dont see how I could get real nice buds out of the August climate around here, too hot too humid,

So you go for a May planting.....(July the same....bonus I would think is intensity (sun, yield), downfall temps......but, sure could be done......if right region, could run them even earlier

Yeah, that sounds good, I have trays but no pucks on hand, I think Im gonna try a handful in just coco too, I really like that stuff, wish i had more on hand ATM, would probabl;y excite me into using, lol

Well, I think I have seen people using it for cloning, and, know they now have the coco jiffy pots (instead of peat), and, wouldn't be surprised if they have coco pellets either now or shortly, so....can't see why it wouldn't work.....

I just went through quite a large batch (shitload would be an understatement ), and, after a little work , got ideas (above), and, fairly happy with it, and, want more.....will work more with it......(for certain things at this point....next is to utilize in indoor runs.....which I think could work well for several reasons....(Different angles...when running larger ops in, problem is always medium chosen......want to choose something that doesn't raise suspicion, reusable, etc....RW still always my favorite, but, fuck....acquiring large amounts is not cool.....coco can get 10 different places to accumulate.....reusable from what I see, etc, so.....I like it so far, and, for out?....seemed to work fairly well initially (application, method, etc)....

Yeah, I was on wrong track (i think), and Im starting to think more and more this no more visits than necessary is the way to go, drop 3x what I expect to pull, and if something dries upp, then fuck it, better than me drying up in some fucking cell, heavy coco and crystals, topped with guano,

Well, I mean, personal entry and exit of course a serious factor, but, of course more is indeed if there is any visibility of plants....since plants will remain, you will not .....You know, people tend to focus on plants being observed with urban, when, in reality, the first and foremost issue is, as above...fuckin pests...animals, etc.....(rabbits and such)......I never cage the city ones.....have lost some, have not...(actually, have never used any repellent either in city........could have saved quite a few if I had.....have a spot right now wondering if they made it through (and I fuckin hope so, because planting patterns and placement was impressive if I do say so myself.....will turn out quite well if they make it....rains and such blew over, passed by which I thought would help (pouring rain helping as a cover......)

Nah, with proper prep and planting, shouldn't dry up (even with my example above....I got em in well, nicer holes, lot of crystals, worm castings (lot on hand this season ), so....even though rains passed, sure they should be fine (if the fuckin rabbits and such didn't get em ..)....nah, moisture depe4nding on region shouldn't be an issue..........should be secondary......(crystals, coco, some rain....should be good to go.....ime, with right prep, single heavy rain a month can be enough (heavy, monsoon)...l.maybe every 3 weeks, etc, but, that's once established...(and, of course, with my spot in question?, well, I am not going back until Oct 7th....so......I won't know until then...(watch, in a week I will get in there when pitch black and pouring rain to take a quick look .....) but, of course since I got them in among other vegetation, and, since I got them in pretty small...pitch black and rain I might step on them anyway by accident, so , might be worthless going in next couple weeks...might wait a month or so.......I'm starting to prefer pouring rain.........many reasons for urban spots...(cars have windows closed...people have windows closed......no one out hanging out really....want to run inside, etc, as compared to absolutely beautiful night when everyone has windows open, walking , jogging, etc, etc......

 

[Julian]

Yeah, actually doing quite a few things different this year.....some by choice, some by chance, some because forced to alter........maybe a couple small little interesting pics soon .....ie: Didn't transplant a lot, no time, various reasons not possible, so, left at least one run in pellets.....in water...transplant those out, that was half and half, because issue then is transplanting out, but, adequate roots to grab...prepping......busting up the coco bricks lengthwise.....lot of different shit.....each and every season and op different......lot of work with 100% sand......haven't been thinking about pics much lately.....maybe will have a couple taken of certain things for sake of illustration.......(For those in certain situations...bonus is drill , while worked a little hard, absolutely killed for holes in sand...might take a pic......very effective....very......went a little deeper....much cleaner, cause compacted, etc........so, anyone with heavy sand......worked like a charm with textbook desired results....Might have a pic taken of patch of holes.....

Edit: Yeah, will get a word over and have some pics taken of a couple things.....definitely.....maybe couple tomorrow to illustrate couple points....

 

[Julian]

More to add......

Im starting to think more and more this no more visits than necessary is the way to go

Any and every trip one makes to any spot increases risk 10 fold of being observed.........without a doubt.......increases chances of being stopped if location one that presence would be questionable, etc......scenarios are endless, and, never forget...world works in strange ways........ie: Stranger shit has happened

Stay the fuck away. (note how I highlighted "necessary" .....)

and if something dries upp, then fuck it, better than me drying up in some fucking cell, heavy coco and crystals, topped with guano,

Several points to repeat, and, similar to my concern about a specific plot....

I assume not extremely large, so, keep in mind needs....water/dietary....when smaller, needs are smaller....if you get them in right (water, crystals, in or before rains), of course, it's needs not that of a larger plant, so, should be good.....

My case in point: While the rains did miss me....I did plant those in the rain.....(ground moist...not soaked....not a heavy rain, but, enough to penetrate at least a foot down)....so, as I sit concerned that missed rains.........I did get them in moist soil......I did water them, I did add crystals to mix, and, in the process contributing, they were small...(4" maybe...), and, of course, temps and humidity have not gotten extreme in that location......high 70's and 80's? or above?....they would have been fried to a crisp by now, 100%.....but, given all factors combined above?...if they rabbits and such didn't get them.....they might still be fine..(well, for now...another week and not so such....)

Diet and draw of 4" plant, you know...manageable to a degree......so.....as above (and elsewhere)...have to remember all the angles and the overview....

Multiple factors, individual and combined always provide the overall picture....

 

[GroBoy2000]

Yeah, the rain is more and more appealing, especially how dry we are starting off, every grey cloud i see i start calculating how quick i could get my shit ready/down to a spot

but trying to hold off, 2nd top, fill out their 1 gallons, you know, im kinda 'behind, or as mentioned, feel under the gun' but these I have right now, by far best start ever, i say they got another week at least in the containers, and they are over 18in easy, moving the light up almost daily, they responded extremely well to the topping, and look like another one will be perfect for them

so, started with 2 orders of seed, plus freebies, been sitting on for too long, but, with cloning, could easily account for 1000 plants, like I said, I intend on feeding and cutting tonight/in morn, hopefully see something good within 2 weeks, it means a lot to the season for me, (could order couple hundred, but meh, rather make sure have quality soil, nutes if possible)

edit: totally agree that rain is a very secure measure, one of last jogs in the rain, I wondered how likely it was people wondering wtf I was doing walking in the rain, then I remembered walking in the ice, and no one bothering to pay much attention, when people are driving in the rain, they are focused on whats on the road, anyone wishing to be hidden would be smart to use natures offering

 

[3BM]

"Deadly serious", I like that. He heh ... :kitty:

 

[Julian]

Yeah, the rain is more and more appealing, especially how dry we are starting off, every grey cloud i see i start calculating how quick i could get my shit ready/down to a spot

Why not keep an eye on extended twice daily........(I'm a fuckin weather guru in summer man ......3 times daily, 6 different regions ......)....

Remember man, spring and summer forecasting inaccurate....as above...have to keep an eye on it.....planning, etc, can be altered day by day....

but trying to hold off, 2nd top, fill out their 1 gallons, you know, im kinda 'behind, or as mentioned, feel under the gun' but these I have right now, by far best start ever, i say they got another week at least in the containers, and they are over 18in easy, moving the light up almost daily, they responded extremely well to the topping, and look like another one will be perfect for them

Ehhh....your not behind anything ...have months left to plant ...fuckin months...could even let them go extra 2 weeks and shave em for another round ......Seems to be an unexpected rather late year for some also, so......is what it is, make the best of it, etc.......caused me some grief early on......that was dealt with not the way I would have liked, but....you know man.....have to adapt...anything around the corner ...

so, started with 2 orders of seed, plus freebies, been sitting on for too long, but, with cloning, could easily account for 1000 plants, like I said, I intend on feeding and cutting tonight/in morn, hopefully see something good within 2 weeks, it means a lot to the season for me, (could order couple hundred, but meh, rather make sure have quality soil, nutes if possible)

edit: totally agree that rain is a very secure measure, one of last jogs in the rain, I wondered how likely it was people wondering wtf I was doing walking in the rain, then I remembered walking in the ice, and no one bothering to pay much attention, when people are driving in the rain, they are focused on whats on the road, anyone wishing to be hidden would be smart to use natures offering

Oh yeah.........I love the rain more and more for work as time goes on......(different reasons combined also, but, helps security tremendously....lot of angles....shopping always good too rain and snow, etc.....my biggest loads in my life have been during heaviest blizzards of the season ...almost zero visibility and fairly recent was down south ( a little) taking care of a couple things and used tornado weather......was fuckin insane (we could see one a little too close at one point .........I kinda got a kick out of it....ain't scared of that bullshit .......scared?....I got enough things to fear ....fuckin tornado's are not in that list ....I would consider it a luxury to add them to that list at this point in life.......maybe one day.....will be nice ..(was more concerned truck going to be hit by lightning and stuck ....)

 

[FirstTracks]

Saw flick last week......."This ain't Checkers mutherfucker..........this is Chess" ...

pullin from the wire again? Alright D, explain it to us

Sorry, that line got me onto the wire.....

GOing back and watching that first season, you reaslly have to love how so much of the rest of the series is set up in the first few episodes of the first season. Characters laid out by a 30 second line, an entire season's worth of plot covered in a phrase, brilliant writing....and the fact that its based on what really happened just makes it all so much better.


ok, back to goin big.



put out 81 or so in peat pellets. Only had 7 days of growth under a 150w..... only even hoping for 10% survival due to proximity to animal trails and small size. even with 10% i could have enough for my lil seedrun. Might not even get that though. Nice damp ground and cloudy wether with rain 1 and 3 days after going out hopefully got a few of them to survive the initial race to grab hold.

Fortunately, while putting those out, i found a great spot with room for at least 50lbs if widely spaced with good cover but good light penetration to. Won't detail the coverage much more than that. Unfortunately, I was basically following bear tracks in, estimating a 400lb+ one by the size. Good part is that if a bear is denning up there, there most likely aren't many other humans going through the area. I don't carry a gun though and a knife or machete isn't gonna do anything.

Anyway, thinking of stocking up on several AF varieties, doing several seed plots late summer, possibly hitting select girls with CS and removing males so i can do a fem seed run leading to a few broken up fields of fire and forget AFs next spring and summer, depending on the success of the seed runs and how many packs I start with this year. Hoping to put 100+ unsexed in the ground later in the summer, low end estimate 100 seeds per girl, 25 girls survive, 2500 fem AFs =2*50lb runs next summer

patience is a virtue right.....

I know thats not big for you J, but for me........all i can think is re-invest, re-invest, re-invest

might have to forego my acclimatization project I was working on with my maroc, nigerian nightmare, and skud.


on the topic of re-investment, it seems that there are so many methods of plant concealment that haven't been caught on to publicly

 

[Julian]

"Deadly serious", I like that. He heh ... :kitty:

, well....you know man.......it's easy to see my amusement at all things.....but.........you know...bullshit and fucking off is for after work is done.......I can get very unpleasant if problems created by others whose job it is to solve them...and, as above...illegal......freedom......financial...product....family...etc......I mean, anything and everything associated are things far too important to take it otherwise...(I think....)

I'll tell you a story...........could have been last week, or last year, or 3 years ago, etc.....but I have had a hard couple weeks for several reasons ...(Hmmm, maybe shouldn't tell that story....trying to be much looser on specific details lately ....)

Anyway....yeah man, you know, my amusement should be obvious to anyone with first grade reading skills, but, I mean.......I have zero tolerance for bullshit......for various reasons.....I mean.......important, but more related to my ability to rely on others......to feel comfortable if I say something, it's done.........what I say, how I say, when I say, etc...

I'll tell ya this.....I've been in situations where was prepared to walk and kill a project with 1700-1800 drilled and fully prepped holes......not to mention, display my unhappiness in a very clear and precise manner.... ...

Nah man.....business is business and these are not silly insignificant tasks....not to mention...you know....when I do something with people....I mean.....they get heavy training....a lot of time and effort to fully explain every single nuance necessary to bring them in....so....throw that on top of it (Maybe I wasted that time?....), and I get pretty fuckin pissed off........

I dunno man.......much shorter fuse in general than ever before for me.....not sure if just tired,stress, or what (stress is nothing new to me, so....).....but, good news is picked up another project which will allow a lot of things I have wanted to do for a long time ....You know man...at this point...op specifics really nothing....it's more about the space...(ie: either this or that or this or that, or early or later, or mix, supplies nothing big, stock not really an issue.....so.......I mean.....I have a little experience , so....you know, I can get things going drop of hat (need about 2 weeks notice or so......sometimes less if everything going right way, all doing as they should, etc......)......Right now.....kind of focusing on major one, and new one added in general and just "going through the motions", and, due to problems with people....really drawing no enjoying from the process in general, which is a shame because remember having some moments last season when felt "fun" again.......

I'm pretty cut and dry.......I get "disappointed" in someone, and, it's a fuckin problem...., as in......no reason to even be around anymore...."disappointment"...something I hate to feel cause know it's over.....done.....can't even look at someone without feeling disgust......

One of my big pet peeves is the "You say something? you do it....."...and, actually, insignificant things piss me off just as much because if people do for small things, they will do for large......ie: Mix this stuff up like this by Sunday........Sunday comes, not done....and what happens?.......My schedule, and everyone else's is fucked...sound harsh?...what if the chosen day is day certain people can get away, and, worse, the day before rains coming in?......what if on top of that things are ready to go, and then next rain won't be for a week and a half and they can't be kept that long in spot because others things ready to take their place and on top of it, then people can't do next chance anyway?...

A seemingly insignificant thing?, right?...

Sure, until one see's above how that tiny, small thing can fuck up entire schedule, everyone else's schedule, fuck up turnover, fuck up space issues, etc....

(just an example......but I thought a good one......small task which has a far reaching irreversible impact.....)

Anyway..........absolutely deadly serious ...absolutely.....

I've been frothing at the mouth more than once in the past month, that's for sure .....

eh......anyway ..looking forward to new one........and, still working on big one (will get stock from one of things this year......doing a couple things and also doing something interesting.....(the hardcore pink lemon stuff crossed with the sour bubble......both astounding, so.....also want to get some of that pink stuff out to a couple people to do some work with....don't want it lost....something very, very, very special.........)

 

[Julian]

I'll tell ya something else I think is funnier than all hell

Was telling someone today : "Be careful of larger outdoor growing,.........side affects may include becoming a fan of country music"

(Nothing against it....I don't condemn any styles......I just find more value (to me) in some than others.......and I don't like it when people do, especially musicians.....)

Anyway......spending a lot of time driving in the boonies.......find myself coming across a lot, and, I dunno, a lot of it is some seriously funny shit..

The one "online" fuckin has me dyin.......(could be like a few people on this site I suspect )

( I had to find vid after someone told me Jason Alexander was character in vid and mom from Seinfeld and Shatner in it

Country Beware ......(I fukin die laughing at some of that shit )

 

[Julian]

pullin from the wire again? Alright D, explain it to us

Sorry, that line got me onto the wire.....

GOing back and watching that first season, you reaslly have to love how so much of the rest of the series is set up in the first few episodes of the first season. Characters laid out by a 30 second line, an entire season's worth of plot covered in a phrase, brilliant writing....and the fact that its based on what really happened just makes it all so much better.

Was actually thinking about Wire today.......eh...nothing more that can be said that hasn't been.........

Nah, was "Training Day" I think......(of course seen it before, etc...)....lecturing on "The Game"..... of course appropriate .....

put out 81 or so in peat pellets. Only had 7 days of growth under a 150w..... only even hoping for 10% survival due to proximity to animal trails and small size. even with 10% i could have enough for my lil seedrun. Might not even get that though. Nice damp ground and cloudy wether with rain 1 and 3 days after going out hopefully got a few of them to survive the initial race to grab hold.

Well, lot of angles....if you got them in right, and, they were established enough (one sec ...), then only issue animals which may, or may not have a significant effect.......

I have actually been doing things straight out in pellets early...(which I usually don't do until later), but, very established......very (roots completely busting out, maybe 4" or so.....5?.....

Did you use anything?.......any sort of recipe?, repellent?..

Don't assume.......really no idea.....

Fortunately, while putting those out, i found a great spot with room for at least 50lbs if widely spaced with good cover but good light penetration to. Won't detail the coverage much more than that.

50lb spot always nice....make use of it .....

Unfortunately, I was basically following bear tracks in, estimating a 400lb+ one by the size.

Beats a dog, eh?

.....

Good part is that if a bear is denning up there, there most likely aren't many other humans going through the area.

Absolutely.......

I don't carry a gun though and a knife or machete isn't gonna do anything.

I'd pick something up if trying to pull 50 out of there......seriously.......for real.....

Anyway, thinking of stocking up on several AF varieties, doing several seed plots late summer, possibly hitting select girls with CS and removing males so i can do a fem seed run leading to a few broken up fields of fire and forget AFs next spring and summer, depending on the success of the seed runs and how many packs I start with this year. Hoping to put 100+ unsexed in the ground later in the summer, low end estimate 100 seeds per girl, 25 girls survive, 2500 fem AFs =2*50lb runs next summer

I have ben browsing current AF selections here and there also, and, have to say.......now interested and seriously plan to do a run........(And, frankly, I think a good market for femmed AF's at a reasonable price....what I have sen a little ridiculous considering quick and small AF and male/female, so.....)

Would rather try the CS and fems for my stock runs......no use for males unless a project...which I don't have nor will anytime soon.....

Honestly?......you have to do something about approach.......10-25% survival rates......not something that you should accept........sure something can be done...(many things.....)

I have a fuckin problem if I don't get almost 100% anytime, anywhere, so....target problem areas and issues and address man.......10-25 unacceptable (to you)....unacceptable...

patience is a virtue right.....

So they say ......

I know thats not big for you J, but for me........all i can think is re-invest, re-invest, re-invest

I dunno man........2500 fem AF's?.......more than 100 ....do the math .......same as mini runs.....I'd consider that substantial....and, very attractive considering details...(fem, AF's, altered planting and finish times, etc.....)

Ain't nothing to sneeze at........at all...

it seems that there are so many methods of plant concealment that haven't been caught on to publicly

Certainly seems so ........one of reasons really into AF's.......definitely see it realistically possible to do a May multi acre run and have that shit packed up before anyone knows they're not any number of vegetables ....

 

[Julian]

Couple additional notes on the above........success ratios.....

I feel very strongly about this...for me, or anyone, due to:
Time and effort and money are spent....sometimes greater amounts of any of the three...........and, to only see a "return" on that time and effort and expense of a quarter or ones effort?.........

I get a little fanatical, (as above ), and, do also along those lines......doing it right, gerting in right, watching weather for right starting times, rains, right mixes, crystals, how established, etc, etc, etc.....

I mean......we're not doing it for exercise, right? You put them there in the first place to bring them in......because that is target, etc....not just for fun...

Has to be a selection of things you could do, implement, etc, to raise those numbers....has to be (wide variety of options, more or less also depending on region.....)

And I don't see 2,500, or even 25 insignificant........every one that anyone does is important........their work.....their art, etc........the smaller growers of today are the largest of tomorrow......

It's all important......

I think people fall into too much bullshit regarding numbers and skills and experience......ie: That 4 plant first grow no nute windowsill grower may very well be running a 16k in 5 years......

Ya never know ..so, those 4?........might even be the most important they ever do ..(Hobby Established, major learning taking place,etc, etc.....) I have a novice/new grower right now doing a large one ...(not uncommon actually .......I like that better than "experienced/skilled" people......(with "experienced/skilled", time would be spent debating if it is possible instead of doing it ....ya know? ...)

 

[Julian]

Was also thinking about the breeding aspects/results from AF x AF.........saw some stuff somewhere recently....or maybe that was the initial crossing to create stability, etc.....

 

[vod]

Quote:
Originally Posted by vod
Reading your posts got me thinking... Is it necessary that one is a workaholic freak who loves punishing himself to accomplish something? he he Or does it just look like this from my lazy ass perspective?

I may, or may not be many things, but, one that I am...is fuckin serious......

Lazy?....workaholic?........you know.......a lot of things might be seen and said in jest, but, I mean: You want to get it done?....then get it done...

Money involved.....product involved......illegal activities?.........enormous amounts of work?.....

I mean, is there any room for anything but a deadly serious approach?

I don't want to get into specifics, but, have been questioning if I have to relax a bit in past couple weeks.....on my demands of people....but, after reviewing, and thinking in depth about it?.....No, absolutely not...

Do I like to bust my ass?........Well, sometimes, some enjoyment out of it, but, would rather be doing something else, just like everyone.....I don't enjoy driving hours upon hours upon hours at a time, unloading tons of supplies...working in pouring rain......(well, some )....but....you do what you have to do to achieve what you want, and, in the end, I think it's very little for the returns...... anyway.....hanging out, relaxing, etc.......whatever.,.....to me, that's for afterwards...after you have done what you set out to do......and, along those lines.......deserving for a job well done....

I may, or may not be a lot of things........but I get it done.....I get it done right.......and I always bring it in...

I think such things are necessary to do so....

Absolutely.
One should be as serious as he/she can, when doing serious stuff. Deadly serious even when doing stuff we talk about here.

I did write the half joking questions above under a flashback to the book I read. Was thinking about it yesterday... But since you didn't read it and I put my words the way I did...
You know being serious while trying to accomplish something is one thing and the choice of goals is another. To come up with some ideas one has to be a freak (or rather a freak in other peoples eyes). Like going to the Orinoco in the late 18th century being a German noble or testing electrical current on you own body until passing out. It doesn't have anything to do with punishing ones self or being a workaholic. It's the tremendous drive to accomplish something great in this case "measure the world", understand and explore, coupled with a mild insanity and the vision and confidence to do stuff no one did before. To be serious at a task that is not trivial requires serious drive. And to pick a spectacular goal requires vision and courage.
Planting whatever amounts of herb and bringing it in is a quite different thing than what Gauss or Newton accomplished. For that kind of shit one has to be a fuckin seriously driven genius.
It's not like being serious alone is worth anything concerning really spectacular stuff.

I really respect and admire scientist and scholars.
Maybe it doesn't have much to do with growing. But nevertheless your writing in this thread gets me thinking about such stuff. I'm sure you are very serious about your stuff, much more than many others and I admire it very much and want to emulate. That coupled with extensive experience, knowledge and wisdom makes your writings very interesting and starts me thinking about other seriously driven people.

As I said, one thing is how serious one is and another what goal one tries to reach. A lot of people never really think about the possibilities they have or deem them unaccomplishabel. Other things are only within the grasp of a few.

Glad of interest and use......and, all sounds good...sounds like a good solid grab and they're settled in......(Importance of them grabbing is once they do so....your looking at serious growth...which helps in a lot of ways and angles.....ie: You have a good idea of what has and will make it......if aged, cages can come off depending on issues one faces....can move attention to other things...(such as next and later rounds, etc......)

I went/am going through a lot of coco this year....Have already used it in a lot of ways.........seems very convenient.....(bricks)......very convenient.....I don't understand the logic behind some issues with it (not what most would think), but.....we will see......came in very handy (bricks)....should work well.....

(I busted the bricks up into multiple layers and used them like that.....which suited my purposed very well...worked out well.....

Just be careful about the urbans.....(but your Europe, right? )

Yeah, Europe it is
I try to be as careful as I can without sticking out from the crowd looking too paranoid. Biggest risk is someone will find the spot.

I actually start fearing how big they will get. I'm toping them and will tie them down, but recently started wondering if they will not seriously outgrow they cover. I planted them quite early. We'll see. Heavy loam around might prevent huge rootball necessary for a huge plant.

I'm at the "four plants on the windowsill" level My first outdoor so I expect to learn a lot and get a feel of the plant. One has to learn to walk before he attempts flying and crashing hard due to lack of experience.

I hope to have a bunch of clones for the minis. I won't be able to cut clones until july for the lack of mothers... I have one revegging, but hell knows how she'll look in a months time. But supply of clones from a friend is an alternative option.
Just need a couple spots with soil that doesn't require much prep :/

I don't cage my plants - difficult to get a halfway decent cage into the spot. I'd rather plant twice or thrice more

Also I find coco bricks very handy. Light and compact. And as you said: bust them up and let the rain bring the water. I have a creek at the spot so i did chuck them into it for 10min, to make the busting up easier, after some heavy rain they expanded twice more.

 

[FirstTracks]

Nah, was "Training Day" I think......(of course seen it before, etc...)....lecturing on "The Game"..... of course appropriate .....

eh, i know all the wire stuff's been covered, just came up in my mind thinking about when D'angleo sits down with bode and the other kid, explaining to them that shits a lil more complicated than just checkers, basically outlining the hierachial sructure of Avon's system.

Well, lot of angles....if you got them in right, and, they were established enough (one sec ...), then only issue animals which may, or may not have a significant effect.......

I have actually been doing things straight out in pellets early...(which I usually don't do until later), but, very established......very (roots completely busting out, maybe 4" or so.....5?.....

yea, like i said, 7 days of veg, not even enough for most tap roots to be pushin through bottoms. I didn't have much time between moving around with work.

Did you use anything?.......any sort of recipe?, repellent?..

Don't assume.......really no idea.....

no, quick in and out. pretty much the weakest i've ever gone out with planting. peat pellets in ground after a few trowel stabs. tight spacing assuming high fatality. was going to take in line of organics (bio-tone, guanos, a little lime) but I needed to drop everything in a few hours and packed everything in in a medium size daypack......it was a weak effort

50lb spot always nice....make use of it .....

more than nice. this spot is great for me. just checked google earth around where i was walking and there are more spots like it all around.........though i did find some signs of human activity i wasn't excited about. still quality spots though imho.

Beats a dog, eh?
.....

ha, yea, unless i bring in my airedale. we breed those to take down bear around my area

Absolutely.......

I'd pick something up if trying to pull 50 out of there......seriously.......for real.....

eh, if i did 50 i might pull in a 12, a 10 if i was serious, along with a nice large handheld side as well......

I don't know though, i try to keep 'things' and plants far away from each other if i can.

I have ben browsing current AF selections here and there also, and, have to say.......now interested and seriously plan to do a run........(And, frankly, I think a good market for femmed AF's at a reasonable price....what I have sen a little ridiculous considering quick and small AF and male/female, so.....)

Would rather try the CS and fems for my stock runs......no use for males unless a project...which I don't have nor will anytime soon.....

there are definitely a few nice ones out now, a few not 'out' but available through select channels...........and I have all winter to get the first few stages into working on something myself.

Honestly?......you have to do something about approach.......10-25% survival rates......not something that you should accept........sure something can be done...(many things.....)

I have a fuckin problem if I don't get almost 100% anytime, anywhere, so....target problem areas and issues and address man.......10-25 unacceptable (to you)....unacceptable...

I did what I could with my time and what I had on hand, just wanted to throw something down, if only to just get a few small bushes to get cuts off of later in the summer to bring back in then put out for a late run of minis.

I dunno man........2500 fem AF's?.......more than 100 ....do the math .......same as mini runs.....I'd consider that substantial....and, very attractive considering details...(fem, AF's, altered planting and finish times, etc.....)

definitely substantial and significant......If all works, could make several people very happy. selection doesn't arrive until end of septemeber around here so quality is at a premium end of august.

Ain't nothing to sneeze at........at all...

it has potential...

Certainly seems so ........one of reasons really into AF's.......definitely see it realistically possible to do a May multi acre run and have that shit packed up before anyone knows they're not any number of vegetables ....

shhhhhh

many, many other opportunities present themselves just because of the lack of a need for blackout covers.

I see femmed AFs as superior to clones at the moment. short indoor exposure, and IBL ensures enough consistency (even without it, its still bud and out to the public early enough, people will be waiting in line).

just playing off peoples preconceived notions about plant performance is beneficial, as you mentioned about the "before anyone knows about it"


thanks for taking the time to respond Julian.