MASSIVE OUTDOOR GROW

[Julian]

How long would you know someone before would consider them a potential partner?

I think that's a great fuckin question man.....seriously....cause makes me think about a lot of things , situations (mine, past) and examples.......just opened a fuckin flood of thoughts (and was going to write something about it anyway, but, now, changes all that a little cause not necessarily where I was going to go with it, so, fuck it, will just weave a little in and out and touch on all (what I had on mind, questions, and then what question made me think of)...

I'm going to throw in a bunch of things....my own little riddles....

For example:
Which partner would one rather have:

1.FOAF......have talked in passing to them, nothing more, don't know them, know who they are.

2. Someone you've known for 30yrs and could trust your life with?

Which is "better"......

What is "better"?

In the above scenario?

I made more and had more success with the former, not the latter.



How about this one?
1. Hard worker, family man, job, kids,40's, average guy. know him 2yrs
2.Very hard worker, okay with family, 30's,average guy. 20yrs.

Once again, the former comes through.......

(thinking out loud.....)

People are people, and, I think that we all do instictively know the answers to that which we ponder......ie: Someone fuckin rock solid, is rock solid. Just because you haven't known them for long does not change this, and, most likely is obvious with the slightest of interaction with them....

Then it's about relationships and how they begin and how they are developed and progress.......

I could know you.....but that doesn't mean I know everyone you know.......

I could hang out with you and a buddy who I have seen a couple times and develop some sort of opinion....or a rapport........

Maybe they don't even bring it up in first place....maybe 2 partners have a friend who displays things which make them think he would be good for certain things.......Maybe someone you know is a little down, no knowledge but want to help them out......

What role for partner?, what do they know?, what do you let them know?......

Now, in the day and age of reverse stings.....who someone is plays more of a role than just are they dependable, so, that would be a whole different angle and subject, ya know?....ie: How could you trust them, know who they are, which is a fuckin book in itself, ya know? )

Also note, in my cases, I knew for years who people are/were......saw them, sometimes hung out but limited exposure and conversation, so....even though I didn't know them...might have seen and heard about them for 20yrs, so.......(which would also include seeing or hearing if they were busted .....)

So........what's most important in a partner?...

Hard worker?....well, what if not really, but, extremely dependable, reliable, extremely smart?......

Sounds good.......but, would have to think about what suits them best....

How about the reverse.......extremely hard worker, but undependable, unreliable, and not as trustworthy....

What about someone whose a moderate worker, reliable, but, dumb as a fuckin rock...

Which one would someone pick?......which one would work out?....

I've used all, and all turned out okay....some more than others........just different strengths and different weaknesses, and, if your talking production and distribution of any products, well, then your talking management, and, such is part of management.....

You see, you make the call......which might be affected by any number of things.......

Okay, one step further.....
I met someone recently in passing, at a place where I knew most. I did not know this person, but, found out he was a neighbor, very cool guy in passing, who knows his gardening due to landscape business and also smokes and appreciates quality ......

Such a person?.........I would be glad to talk with this guy again in passing, see a little more what's his thing.......(has he ever grown, throw a comment or two out there which would require some knowledge to respond to...etc....a strain question.....have they had it.......a curing comment, etc.......) Sometimes those might go somewhere and you get an idea....

Anyway....thousands of variables and your talking human nature and such, so....you know, each situation different.....

But, in the end, it's also about rapport and such and time.........so.....time answering the above question more I suppose.......over time, time spend, people develop a rapport and understanding, etc, and, either become closer if compatible, or, do not become close due to any number of things, so.....but, I'
ve done all, had okay results with people who I didn't know for 20-30yrs, etc.....and, vs. versa.....have had worse experiences of my life with those I have known 30yrs, trusted, loved like a brother...(because I had never seen them in the sense of working.....I don't work with them, so, I didn't know they were stupd lazy fucks .....) How would I know...they were a friend...not a coworker.....

I liked em , trusted em, and a pretty smart guy.....

But, I found "pretty smart" was not fuckin nearly enough and "lazy fuck" was left out, and, I soon learned extremely unreliable...

Fuck, there are people here and there on here which I would think on the surface of doing something with (hypothetical, point to follow), except the problem is don't know em, might not like em if I did know em......

When one says "well, I've known them all my life".....my response as of late is basically "no.....you think you've known them all your life...."

Do a fuckin grow project, and we'll see how much you did know....cause I've been through it 100 times......

Relationships....

Think any different from romantic relationship?......No?.....really?..

Hmmmm.....ever heard the phrase "You never know someone till you live with them"

You know, when your hanging out with someone casual.......deeper things do not necessarily get addressed....People don't always say exactly what is on their mind for many reasons, etc.....so....

You meet a girl (guy, whatever your thing )...might talk a little.....then, might talk again....and see, eh, not interested........

The more you talk with someone, the more you get to know them and get some sort of idea as to who they are....their approach to things, etc.....

But, you know....when your throwing these kinds of matters together (illegal, money, etc)......misunderstandings happen....you see greed where you never did before........lot of negative shit comes bubbling to the surface..,.....

(See, for me, never really a problem cause, fuck, you want more?.......I'll be glad to do more, let's fuckin do it .....)

On that note......things are worse the less you make...

Usually I have only seen the problems when not enough to go around, or make everyone happy, etc, so......

Lot of different reasons why one might need some help, or want some but, in the end, I mean, with more people working you should be doing more ...

If you were doing 20lbs alone, and get a partner and do 30 and split 50/50, well, your doing less than you were before without any help...

If I talked to someone doing 20 alone, I'd say your target with a partner is 80..(80=40/40, 40 double what you did before.....)

Has to be logical......make financial sense...(unless good friend, blah,blah,blah......give him a little for helping, etc, but, that may be seen as a partner or not....I always hear partner and think major interest, significant contribution, etc

Yeah man........known em all your life?....100% they're cool?....

We'll see

Discussed earlier here or elsewhere was the "Mine" syndrome..........(also known as the "Me" syndrome ...) It's real man.....it's fuckin real....and, as elsewhere discussed....a widely documented phenomenon

Some will work, some will not......some will perform better, some will perform worse....

I've worked with couple 30yr people last couple years on different things........and was very disappointed...(and pissed fuckin off) Yeah, solid, can trust em...one failed doing things he was supposed to creating a problem, did some things he shouldn't have affecting bottom line....another took all the energy you had to point em in direction of tasks and begin and focus....(once focused, a fuckin bull)....but on flip side, extremely reliable....

Anyway.......not sure how much just wrote (would have said it with a single breath , but, seemed long )

Everything's different...some work out, some don't....the ones that do make up for all the ones that don't.......

All should be aware no matter how much you screen, how much you think you know....when working on serious projects for months......you discover things you did not know or notice before....

Guaranteed....

A lot of the time, stress related, for, above I emphasized because it's not like putting something together or work on a house, or at work....talking an illegal activity requiring enormous work and dedication with penalty the legal system..

Lot of people break down under the pressure.....behavior maybe more out of anxiety or paranoia, etc, than unreliability, etc...

1000 different angles....

 

[marto]

Julian i can see a partner as critical if he supplys the property or the financing but what other scenarios do you see by which each grower would make double the profits by working in tandem. Granted it easier and quicker to do things like fencing and augering with someone holding the other side but i'm assuming thats for the laborers and not partners

 

[ljjr]

julian i just wanna say thank you for this thread, i have taken the time to read every single page, i now see areas differently and i have stop looking for the perfect spot and have choosen some good for right now spots that i previously over looked. just wanted to say thanks man.

 

[Julian]

To continue on the above.....
Then you have situations with the good ones that frankly, make you realize sometimes exactly who the good ones were...

I gotta say...lately someone on my mind, did some things with him, and, frankly, feeling a little bad because looking back, I gave the guy a hard time I think......

Important is relationship between people....open communication....

Anyway....yeah, good ones make up for the bad ones and lately thinking about someone who I think I was a little hard on......To me business is business, very serious about all things, (because they are, ya know).....

So, that is enough angle....

You know, I always say (anything, personal, business, anything)......there really is nothing that cannot be addressed if both reasonable, rational people.

Julian i can see a partner as critical if he supplys the property or the financing but what other scenarios do you see by which each grower would make double the profits by working in tandem. Granted it easier and quicker to do things like fencing and augering with someone holding the other side but i'm assuming thats for the laborers and not partners

Well, same as above somewhere........what do they bring to the table, but, that also relates to who and what one is...

A lot of mine have to do with spots...(property).. to me that is an important ingredient...ie: I can do labor, I have process, stock, supplies, help if needed, etc, so, yeah, for me? For me it's usually a matter of property and location....you have property (outdoor, indoor), but don't know how?....want to and don't know how?, don't want to and don't want to know but want extra money?, etc...all depends on the situation and goes from there, but, yeah, those are my targets.....I can always use more locations, and go from there ...

(But, again, just because someone had something doesn't mean I would wnt to...depends on person, property and in those cases security of location and person is the issue...(straight, etc....), and they also get lectures regarding security.......and, they also get stories about how I know if there is a problem .

In those cases, might take a couple extra measures to ensure their honesty...........Keep them honest....make sure all is okay, etc

You know, it all depends......really can'[t give an entire scenario unless talking about a specific one, lot of angles.....but, yeah, for me?, it's property....spot/location....I have everything else covered basically.....(and, since I even have a lot of spots, things like that become "extra" ones, and, as earlier, how multiple ops get started.....ie: not the "one of the other"....but the "fuck it, do em all" I might have something, then closer people have things, so we do those, then along the way, throughout the year things might come up, etc.......then , some might want to do the same the following year....some might not want to at all (paranoid, not made for it), some might want to go much bigger , etc, etc.....

All depends.......in those ways?....I mean....this is a business.....ie: anytime, anyplace, anywhere.......

I might see someone I haven't seen in a while (years) and in passing find out moved their business from one location to another, old location empty........whatever man, options are endless......

Food for thought for other people on that?..........how some can do larger?, how things can work?......One can also have financial, which can basically be "You put up the money, I will secure spot, do batch, you can help or not, etc"......as in case of say renting something farther out and larger......something on acreage, vacation, rural area, etc........for example....something on couple hundred wooded acres, maybe 4k a month, rent from May-November.....7 months, 28k, without supplies, have everything ready to go..........or, likewise, could be property......purchase something, ready to set up on purchase, get in there, hit and run, etc...I mean, angles are endless and not beyond the reach of anybody,...

But...........

BUT.....

People have to understand the process....

What do I mean?....well, I'll tell ya what I mean...(and you'll fuckin laugh in the process )

We've gone over feasibility before here and elsewhere, but, I will throw something new into the mix......

I, not too long ago had someone not to long ago who didn't really realize "the extent" of "my knowledge" (ie: That I actually have done things, etc ) So, lo and behold, guy starts telling me about growing, etc, and tries to convince me maybe I should put up some money for him to grow and we will split it (Yeah, he was in for a fuckin treat )

Too many people focus on what they are going to make in the end and the overview instead of all expenses and supplies first...

Let's use simple scenario of couple grand a month (in or out location, with property if out) , 5 months 4k a month, 25k basically, then call it 15k for expenses.........40k.....

Let's further round 40k up to 45 and call it 15lbs (assuming all in line)

That's 15lbs in 6 months just to break even...(some know where I am going with this, some don't )

Now some will say "well, fuck, if I had space and area, I could do a lot more than that"....

I agree, me too. But could others?.......

Triple it (expenses, 2 partners) then your at 45lbs to make 45k each.....

Okay, so, let's get this straight

I put up 40k cash of my own money and take equal part risk just to make another 40k?

Not too attractive to me.......

Furthermore, I can tell ya right now.......there is no way this guy could have hit 50lbs, in or out in 6 months.......

Now, let's go back again.......indoor.....45k in 6 months?....outdoor?.....

50k would slip through the fingers of most like pennies.......and then what?...

The wise might take that to do it themselves the next time and shoot for 450k...

Point being....little amounts actually worse...as they hold you in the position you are, where you have to make more just to stay even...

45k....6 months?.......big deal....your talking like 7k a month more or less, which I am sure what many make professionally.....even less than they do...(but, again, if one is working, etc, and can do small and safe on side for extra 50k, is it worth it?....well, up to them.......)

Relating to the above...after a while, I basically showed him his "great plan" requires more than he can do....(guy wasn't a good grower....lacking a lot of basic knowledge.........was talking far beyond his skill set....which anyone who has read the above, knows I have a serious problem with people who don't know who and what they are, exactly..., and kind of refused to acknowledge that he did have those limitations...which makes it all fuckin worse......doesn't know his shortcomings, limitations on experience...I ended up telling him how to run it, etc, which is a bad thing when your trying to tell me you want to run everything and know how, and are a pro ...

Now, sure, lot of people are pro's, discuss things, have new ideas, learn things, etc....but, nah, this guy was not anywhere close to that level....

"Pro"?......well....I think that's a term represented neither by knowledge or experience, but, a combination......which, again, he possessed lack of either (a great lack of....)

Anyway.......I think problem for a lot of new growers is they sometimes fail to realize exactly what goes into what.........(meaning...let's say, 100lbs........few can grasp how much wet that translates into.........wet, to clipped, to dry, to cured, etc.......most here, even if they have only done 5, have a baseline to work with (20 times their 5), etc......

In some ways, no, no that much.....could be 30 3lb'ers.......could be 50 2 lb'ers....could be 100 1lb'ers, etc, but, to someone who hasn't seen and worked with those, well, again, a moot point.....

Anyway...yeah, obsessed with profits and blinded to expenses , not a good thing......and have seen it a lot of times but was reminded of that story.....(good guy actually, but, man...lacking in many areas......many areas.....)

You want to make "money"?....or you want to "be rich".......

Making money takes you nowhere.......gets you nowhere...and ensures your stuck at that level.........

"getting rich"?, well, your talking a whole different ballgame.........and it's not a destination that will be reached by unrealistic expectations, lack of knowledge, minimal work, etc....so......

 

[Julian]

julian i just wanna say thank you for this thread, i have taken the time to read every single page,

Well thank you. Kind of you to say, and, if have gone through everything?...then very kind of you to say....sincerely. Just sharing a little. Glad something found of use and interest. Sincerely.

i now see areas differently and i have stop looking for the perfect spot and have chosen some good for right now spots that i previously over looked. just wanted to say thanks man.

My pleasure......you know, I am kind of "training" someone now, and, they're not seeming to get it.........ie: very concerned about all spots, always telling me the "your nuts", etc....

I may, or may not be...but the fact of the matter is more spots are usable than most believe to be........especially the more farther out one goes....and, the later one gets in season?.......what spot can't handle a mini run?......rarely is a spot not capable of carrying something through.......so....

Growing in itself..........well, to start with not legal, etc, risky....so.......I assume it gets a lot of getting used to....and sometimes hard to see such unless one has an overview and understanding.....

To this day people still question my work on train lines......which would be fine except I have been doing them successfully for years, and not only were they successful, but the quality was always exceptional... (in the open, solid sun, serious continual wind, etc.......truly exceptional......)

Lot of people focus and stay focused on the plant........they're fixed in the thought that plants are giants, large, etc.......and fail to realize, or forget to, that you dictate what the plant is (large, tall, wide, short, etc)

Your quite welcome. Glad of interest and use. The options really are endless......with outdoors, I think that much more....

 

[Julian]

Anyway...........

So......maybe we expect too much from people sometimes, maybe not, but, for me, the baseline is I expect no more from someone else, than they can of me.

I don't expect someone to put in more work than me, and, actually, the majority of ops I have done, they have put in less...(ie: I'm planning next when planting current, and in the process, accumulation of supplies with my funds, stock with my funds, and, come as early as January sometimes, the beginning of prep, once again with not only my funds, but time, and attention, and risk....with their part not beginning for almost 6 months...(Mid May let's say...5.5 months)....

I think also in those cases that should be made very clear..(I have many times...)

So, then, if one does not expect any more from someone else then themselves, well....all people aren't the same, and, all this discussion of partners again comes to, in the end......the good ones are special...

Very........very special.....not often they come up...like any other thing in life....relationships, jobs, etc......so......all those other factors can help in many ways (reliability, intelligence, work ethic/energy, etc), but, I wouldn't say if someone isn't the epitome of all, one should pass........you be the judge.....but, have to be honest about it, as early....honest with yourself, honest in assessment of others.......and hang tight to how the world works.....

As earlier...many people, (including myself) have entered many things trying to stay positive but realizing problems down the road, so, discipline is needed to stay true to that.........sometimes being a little more firm than one wants.....maybe a good person, maybe trustworthy, and, might need the help, but....know down the road problems in certain areas by things said, done, who they are, their take on things, etc......

 

[buzzy]

thanks a lot jules, VERY relevent talk on partners for me currently, but when ISN'T this thread relevent? heh...

i'm currently in overdrive, and my limiting factor is money. maxed my credit card and account on seeds and supplies, haha!

How late in the season would you say is the latest to be germing seeds? I'm at 52N...

 

[Julian]

thanks a lot jules, VERY relevent talk on partners for me currently, but when ISN'T this thread relevent? heh...

No problem man......topic which is heavily on my mind lately for various reasons....current and past......lot on mind....and, a topic which some might have varying involvement in, so, thought worthy of being added.....might be of use to someone, and, in force about this time of year.

i'm currently in overdrive, and my limiting factor is money. maxed my credit card and account on seeds and supplies, haha!

Me too , I'm on a 2/1/2/1 now...(2 days, no sleep, 1 day, full night, next 2, none, etc)

Well, you come in good, take care of those, wipe em out.....be smart......be wise....

How late in the season would you say is the latest to be germing seeds? I'm at 52N...

I don't know what 52 is, but, as always, you go from first frost, try and estimate, and, lot of other stuff like strain dependent issues...(early, late, sensitive, etc)

I'm just wondering what kind of season we're in for.....still trying to get an idea......longer?....cooler?......from seeing some forecasts (extended) on a bunch of areas, maybe drier?......(Have seen quite a bit of rain in many areas, but, all looks like done for a while...)

Guess we'll see.....I go about 2nd half of july for germing more or less depending on it....always have to allow time in your schedules for things people overlook..(add couple days onto germ...what if they are slow to crack....then add for variance if seed....(ie: some crack quick, others 1-2 days later, etc).....clones.....rooting time and such, etc, etc, and, depends how large you want them also....ie: instead of planting last minute, extra week wouldn't hurt, and, of course things don't go right into flower.....all depends on what it is...I've gone Aug 1st a lot of times, worked well.....sometimes better, sometimes worse depending on strain and such....

Depends also on what your after 2....lot of things I did last year around that time, late, wished I could have gotten them in a little earlier, topped, but, other spots....was fine, depending on needs.....Mini's, your always focusing on the volume anyway for the most part, so, in some cases later might not be a problem if doing enough, but, 1-2 spots I could have gone a little earlier, but, schedule gets going, things gain momentum, things get busy and hard to make every date you want...if sace full but not ready, might miss a deadline, etc...all depends what is going on and when....but, yeah..I love late/small stuff....I really do.....numbers(risk) aside......I love em.....wished I could have stocked AF's for this year (still could) but, just didn't work out that way...(but, as above, can change anything, anytime, any minute...something could change and could end up running them in a week, so....but, not prepared and stocked.....fucked up my deadlines (self imposed) on a lot of things this year for several reasons....

All depends also when your getting them out (growth).....I put things out at different times sometimes as early as 7 days, more or less (a healthy 7..pics earlier)....so...that's another aspect affecting schedule...(if weather good, everything should always go out as soon as deemed established enough for spots....reason being not going to match outdoor with in, so, holding them back, your actually losing efficiency, etc....but, of course, as above, when getting them out that small, have to watch moisture issues.......

 

[buzzy]

already got some mums going btw...

Edit:

Yeah, this has been an odd season here so far, UK. Couple of VERY hot weeks, everything has been growing so fast. Hope we end up with a dry end to the season, as rain is usually a problem here.

haha, 2/1/2/1! i'm not quite that hardcore yet, and I work nights, so have the day for any grow related, it's pretty convenient...

wow, july. I have about 20 or so I've put out as mums now, so you think i could shave them say, end of june, then have em rooted and out by mid july?

 

[Julian]

Yeah, this has been an odd season here so far, UK. Couple of VERY hot weeks, everything has been growing so fast. Hope we end up with a dry end to the season, as rain is usually a problem here.

Dry end to a season always a major plus.... I have mold issues and rely on rainfall for waterings, so, as far as I am concerned, really, I can do with one heavy monsoon rain sometime in September, early, and, it's more than enough to get them through to finish if heavy, heavy rain....dry overall?.....eh, none of us need it, so.......have heard a couple say how dry.....lot of regions, have seen variances...(SW already has near 100's coming in...will pass them next week.....

haha, 2/1/2/1! i'm not quite that hardcore yet, and I work nights, so have the day for any grow related, it's pretty convenient...

2/1/2/1 is light for me overall....been known to do much, much longer..(think heaviest was 2 weeks straight.....end was almost hallucinating so was worthless and went to sleep )..just all areas right now demanding attention, and, in spring thing, so, I welcome it.......seems all the extra health issues (diet, exercise) etc worse for it...just giving me more energy, so.....at least trying to make use of it...been running a lot lately....a lot...yesterday first day I went out twice in one day..(when nothing to do that day, have gone out 4 times....)......just hit 3 miles each one....going to move onto the 6 soon....(and that's still smoking...but, I have been easing up....down to about a pack a day (from 4)...so......not doing that bad....depends if a health day or a hanging out day....(on boat, whatever, etc)...

wow, july. I have about 20 or so I've put out as mums now, so you think i could shave them say, end of june, then have em rooted and out by mid july?

Doesn't sound like a problem, at all....depending on what your after, might want to take them sooner (ie: could get several rounds out of them and perpetually be putting them out for a while.......different sizes, different times, etc....)

 

[GroBoy2000]

Hey there

thanks for the contributions on partners

I am minimizing as much as possible w/ my guy, but had been reading I Ching, chapter on Turning back (going solo) weighing heavy on my mind, but I know, only I know what feels right or wrong at the end of the day, but the spot itself is very secure, so will try to do a few 2lbers there, very tended too, not high plant count

spots I hit the other night, i dont see too many people on these, besides, visibility here only maybe 20 feet out

nearby stuff, trying to find some good lush S facing spots, Ive been driving past a spot thats really lushed up, liked the area, but hadnt seen the 'green corridor', decided didnt like parking closer than a spot 5 miles away

I had been trying to work mostly at night, checking stuff out, but just can't do it without seeing a place during light sometimes,(you could plant at night I mean, if you knew it during the day) especially a good thick, no one wants to get there space, so now doing 6 am jogs, working up to 6 miles still, jogging harder than cycling for sure, but thats just me, I think I have about 6 spots Ive been buzzing around, all stuff in urban areas

LUI and SDxHP

I think these will be going out, and Ill be trying out cloning (50 off each, once at June 15, once at July 15?), though my first cloning attempt was dissapionting, lack of daily attention was partial to blame. I wanted to do a seed run, but didnt have enough info for a 12/12 fem seed run. And since relying on clones for spring killed me, I'll still be ordering about 300 min fem seeds (I somehow really killed 190 clones out of 200, temps, water levels, light, all wrong)


You know, I totally agree with you about just 'making it' or just making a little money part. Starting small, or overlooking the necessary compensation, is really a fucking pain in the side. I had thought to myself, no gain is still a great loss after all this, and thats essentially what happened with my spring run. Not near enough to make any kind of difference to me,
plus, when it came down to it, and I saw the plants, they needed another 2 weeks. The out dry didnt give me any problems, partner did when he made me wait 3 days after I wanted to get to them. Next time told him everything well be tightly scheduled, cut one week, 7 days later will pick up half. So came out a tad dry, underfinished, and underweight.

Well, I knew it was a crap shoot, and they did get snowed on right after going out(not typical at all,, so, should only be slightly dissapointed, still want to get the hang of cloning so can get some 400+ lui minis

Now I have a few questions, when doing minis, you mentioned you water them before, and while planting, well, as a system, stab, twist, dig, etc, do you water as you plant, shuffling gear with you, or do you throw your shit down, dig and plant like a motherfucker and come back and water over them?

also, if you were putting something out in August, do you still put them out after 7 days from popped?

overdrive, ferocity, love these words, the season, the war, I hope no one is risking ass for nothing

I wish I had enough to keep me going 2 days, unless I experience a writing frenzy, I dont have a lot to do. who knows, maybe Ill start walking further and further, throw a solo tent on my back and stay a day or two out. Little journal, little water, good to go, yeah, maybe, maybe tomorrow Ill even grab a walking stick and spend the day with nature

 

[Guest]

around here I too also rely on the rain. for 1 reason, the fucking leo are flying from 6:00PM to 6:00AM...every day late in the season around harvest time. sketchy shit when you have to be super stealth...can't water during day, you'd be noticed. can't water during night, what can u do!! buy a fuckin RPG and shoot the mother fuckers down lol

 

[Julian]

Hey there
thanks for the contributions on partners

No problem, was on my mind and a topic not discussed enough given that many venture that way I think......

Can be skilled, can have greatest spots, can make it through whole season, and bad partner(s) can at anytime fuck it all up easily..

I am minimizing as much as possible w/ my guy, but had been reading I Ching, chapter on Turning back (going solo) weighing heavy on my mind, but I know, only I know what feels right or wrong at the end of the day, but the spot itself is very secure, so will try to do a few 2lbers there, very tended too, not high plant count

Good book.......I've been reading on and off now for many, many years......

Absolutely...(only you know at end of day)....it's the bottom line actually....

I hit the other night, i dont see too many people on these, besides, visibility here only maybe 20 feet out

nearby stuff, trying to find some good lush S facing spots, Ive been driving past a spot thats really lushed up, liked the area, but hadnt seen the 'green corridor', decided didnt like parking closer than a spot 5 miles away

I had been trying to work mostly at night, checking stuff out, but just can't do it without seeing a place during light sometimes,(you could plant at night I mean, if you knew it during the day) especially a good thick, no one wants to get there space, so now doing 6 am jogs, working up to 6 miles still, jogging harder than cycling for sure, but thats just me, I think I have about 6 spots Ive been buzzing around, all stuff in urban areas

Your one of those too, huh? (Someone been pushing a lot of "proper" training on me.......I just do what I do when I feel the urge, but, I think they're right, cause sore as a mf lately )...different diet, warmups, scheduling, rest days, some different shoes, etc....I should start checking more "proper" routines....

Absolutely man..(knowing a space in daylight to plant at night....) absolutely....a must....fuck, you don't have to go right there and stand and wave your arms and yell ...can just go close enough to see (jogging works, cause can make it look like your taking a break, and in the process, your scoping and memorizing spot

Urban should be done after nightfall anyway (I have done urban at 12 noon...depending on the spot, but, I changed that up.....like night better, dressed in black (sweats), long sleeves, gloves, etc...(visibility issue....)

Yeah...I just hit my 2nd time out same day, going to start doing the 6 one shortly.......I use that when quitting the smoking too (work off the anxiety)...depends, when an empty day, might do nothing but go out all day, whenever anxiety/withdrawls hits I go out....

I'm having some problems here and there with my urbans for a couple reasons.......we'll see if it all works out....thinking about dumping them all..(For now, and doing other urbans.....I'm fairly well versed on all areas in a surprising radius just because how much I get around, and scope, and stop and look and study maps, so......unlimited spots right now that I haven't used, but, have known and seen for years, etc...

Yeah man.....you want a close enough place to park where if something happens you can get there...(assuming will be dead on full runn(ning), so...why you should always have gloves too.......(besides for planting and clearing spaces and protection...never know when you might have to be jjumping fences and such ...toughest gloves possible...

I think these will be going out, and Ill be trying out cloning (50 off each, once at June 15, once at July 15?), though my first cloning attempt was dissapionting, lack of daily attention was partial to blame. I wanted to do a seed run, but didnt have enough info for a 12/12 fem seed run. And since relying on clones for spring killed me, I'll still be ordering about 300 min fem seeds (I somehow really killed 190 clones out of 200, temps, water levels, light, all wrong)

Cloning very simple man......should never have any kind of loss rate...very simple...keep it lo tech.....I do/have done mass quantities lo tech with pretty much 100% success rates....plugs, rr's, domes, floro, nothing more..

Yeah, I hear ya, behind schedule on several such matters, low on stock, and loe the fems, so.....this year really a mess and a lot up in the air for me, so, who knows how will end up....(okay, good, great, spectacular....who knows....)

You know, I totally agree with you about just 'making it' or just making a little money part. Starting small, or overlooking the necessary compensation, is really a fucking pain in the side. I had thought to myself, no gain is still a great loss after all this, and thats essentially what happened with my spring run. Not near enough to make any kind of difference to me,
plus, when it came down to it, and I saw the plants, they needed another 2 weeks. The out dry didnt give me any problems, partner did when he made me wait 3 days after I wanted to get to them. Next time told him everything well be tightly scheduled, cut one week, 7 days later will pick up half. So came out a tad dry, underfinished, and underweight.

Well,. experience is priceless, so always something to keep in mind..(why half 7 days?......split?......)

I think I know whole story above (been there )

Now I have a few questions, when doing minis, you mentioned you water them before, and while planting, well, as a system, stab, twist, dig, etc, do you water as you plant, shuffling gear with you, or do you throw your shit down, dig and plant like a motherfucker and come back and water over them?

also, if you were putting something out in August, do you still put them out after 7 days from popped?

In no specific order:
1. I always water everything when it's planted, even if rains coming later or next day.......(because what if not.....and, no firm idea on feeding needs.....and, to help expand crystals (dry), etc...

I always water when planting....not a lot.....but, enough.......(maybe 1/3rd-1/2 liter.......which goes also to efficiency....since I have to carry in, have to limit it....(but, of course, always soaked before leaving, dry crystals in it, and a lot in trays when using trays....ie: lot already present and done....

2. Well, depends (late planting)...when smaller (more per tray), can easily move them into sun during the day when small also, but, yeah, the later I go, the smaller they are before going out.....(keeping them in is just holding them back...can't match outside growth.......so, the sooner the better....but, the 7 days the problem is usually how "established" they are.....

Picture from earlier.... Okay, smaller, and then 5" ers in back.....Okay, so....the smaller in pucks could go out, but, remember, when going later and smaller, moisture issues are very serious....

Now, once I transplant (those are 5's, I like 3's best, but, I germ in 3's, I don't usually put pucks or plugs in 3's because not much of a difference in size of medium, etc....

So,.....the above, smaller than the 5's....well, problem is once they are in the 5's need about 2 weeks or so for roots to be busting out enough ("established", so.....

So when smaller, your issues are moisture (upper layers of soil/hole can dry up very fast in later summer....(heat and humidity)....and predators..pests, etc, so, you can go small, early, but, have to watch moisture...

If a little bigger?, well, can sink them deeper when planting and if roots good, they will grab quicker making your moisture issues a little less...

Smaller they are, more vulnerable they are across the board..

Depends though man...every spot every year every round different...I might dig bigger if soil better...might even use drill (1/3 normal hole)......but, sure you get the point...

Smaller they are, later they are, more serious moisture issues unless/until they grab....(could also drill, could get smaller bit.....could also try and sink them as much as possible, soak soil, crystals, etc......each measure a backup for the one prior....

overdrive, ferocity, love these words, the season, the war, I hope no one is risking ass for nothing

Words that help you do 6 miles

I think everyone who grows for only ps is......(You get popped and are short for attorney, well....so much for ps......should be doing enough to have a stash for legal....(now people will say "well, since I only do ps, I'm not doing time, etc, I'm cool", and, sure, most likely......attorney still needs to be paid...days at work still missed....

I wish I had enough to keep me going 2 days, unless I experience a writing frenzy, I dont have a lot to do. who knows, maybe Ill start walking further and further, throw a solo tent on my back and stay a day or two out. Little journal, little water, good to go, yeah, maybe, maybe tomorrow Ill even grab a walking stick and spend the day with nature

I think I've just moved onto 3 actually (tried to sleep after couple days without...only got 2 hours, so.....plus, lately smoking something that wires me out , so, definitely not helping .....(My preferred buzz.....up...gets me wired,energy.....not the stuff that I blow one and am ready for a nap after eating for an hour .....)

Sounds good man.......might find some spots......contribute to program (health).....

 

[Julian]

around here I too also rely on the rain. for 1 reason, the fucking leo are flying from 6:00PM to 6:00AM...every day late in the season around harvest time. sketchy shit when you have to be super stealth...can't water during day, you'd be noticed. can't water during night, what can u do!! buy a fuckin RPG and shoot the mother fuckers down lol

Well, situation like that I might change completely over to AF's and just work the early season and wrap it up by then (actually, I very well may start that shortly.....had hoped to have some stock and be on those this year...maybe later...maybe next.....looks like some good things floating around these days (AF quality)......

Rain also a bonus because enables you to plant miles from water sources, which they do follow and check for paths and such......they check closer to water sources, so....I'd be focusing on early stuff, af's, and mini's later......feel like I am swaying towards that (for right now) more and more lately...(now too late, lot of big ones already out ), but, have a lot of spots to do, so.....trying to figure out the safest gameplan....

 

[Julian]

Have seen topic of Co2 for seedlings, clones, etc, and, see different opinions on it, but, have been hitting seedlings for a while lately this year (have before, not all the time), and, I don't care what anyone says......clearly a visable difference...clearly.....(so, foot away from 1k's, Co2...and, I start feeding light early.....(very early...can see pic above)....

Anyway, I notice a difference, and, have done same with clones...(season before last hitting them from first day, lower levels of course.....)

Adaptability.......well, just found out one of larger new spots this year is very, very sandy....so......have to readjust and resupply with that in mind, catch up and review mixes, etc....review what I already have on hand (have loads of crystals, cases of coco bricks, different stuff here and there).....so......always have to go with the flow....Didn't anticipate anything more than it having to be drilled and dry mix added.....now looking at more prepwork, more supplies, etc....

 

[GroBoy2000]

Your one of those too, huh? (Someone been pushing a lot of "proper" training on me.......I just do what I do when I feel the urge, but, I think they're right, cause sore as a mf lately )...different diet, warmups, scheduling, rest days, some different shoes, etc....I should start checking more "proper" routines....

yeah, i love getting that incredible soreness from pushing yourself, especially w/ right routine, my quickest changing/most intensive workout was some years ago, when i was still in teens, each day was dedicated to different muscle groups each only worked once a week, (for for the first 2 weeks) and worked on for an hour a day, so hour on triceps and chest, hour on biceps and back, hour on legs, hour problem is i could never remember the full schedule or mentioned exercises, mostly routine stuff, rows, kickbacks, but very comprehensive, i stick to heavier cardio these days, more beneficial

Yeah...I just hit my 2nd time out same day, going to start doing the 6 one shortly.......I use that when quitting the smoking too (work off the anxiety)...depends, when an empty day, might do nothing but go out all day, whenever anxiety/withdrawls hits I go out....

yeah, think i should do that too, fits right in the schedule,

Yeah man.....you want a close enough place to park where if something happens you can get there...(assuming will be dead on full runn(ning), so...why you should always have gloves too.......(besides for planting and clearing spaces and protection...never know when you might have to be jjumping fences and such ...toughest gloves possible...

Well, lot of the places close to good parking, i dont know area, complete other side of town, been those places couple times, but around where i am, lotta stuff that would seem funny someone parking late night, i can jog and ride far though, I'm pretty confident, itsj ust getting me out, once im 10 minutes out the door, i feel great

Cloning very simple man......should never have any kind of loss rate...very simple...keep it lo tech.....I do/have done mass quantities lo tech with pretty much 100% success rates....plugs, rr's, domes, floro, nothing more..

Yeah, I hear ya, behind schedule on several such matters, low on stock, and loe the fems, so.....this year really a mess and a lot up in the air for me, so, who knows how will end up....(okay, good, great, spectacular....who knows....)

well, had trays, fucked em up, too soaked, and temps down like 60s couple times, humidity, etc, need more trays now

Yeah, just want a clear cut, have easy clear 100% acess, so next harvest, will not try to completely dry out and cure in, will dry for xx days, then let finish at home (I didnt really intend to let it dry that long out, as said, I wanted to 'check' them

still wanna do a srping run next year, with right strain, right conditions, could do 10 lbs out of 200 cuttings or so, still looking at that, maybe 3-4 hours south? a little different?

well see how the next round clones go, i think my OD is due for trimming, + tops of LUIs and StrawDxHP, so, I was wondering, do you flush your plants before taking cuttings? should I hold back and wait til I flush a week?

also, if you recall, which power plant was it you were so satisfied with last year? and would you say you liked it more than the maroc stuff?

yeah water sources, need em where I am, why im so interested in late season stuff, or early stuff, dont want to setup irrigation, might do a battery pump to a drip line res or something, but its on my mind, and on my weather radar, plenty of places see 4 a month, just not my urban, which is where Im at now,

yeah, I think black at night is obviously smart, I was concered first night out at one spot, that could be seen up to 50 ft from road, then drove it couple nights later, yeah, maybe i could be seen, but not layed down, in black, and highly doubtful anyway, at night, we naturally look at the road, or follow the path of lights, not worried about being seen 15 ft from the road if im in black, again, laying completely down, the ground seems much softer when your dressed out mission style, kinda feels good sometimes

 

[Julian]

yeah, i love getting that incredible soreness from pushing yourself, especially w/ right routine, my quickest changing/most intensive workout was some years ago, when i was still in teens, each day was dedicated to different muscle groups each only worked once a week, (for for the first 2 weeks) and worked on for an hour a day, so hour on triceps and chest, hour on biceps and back, hour on legs, hour problem is i could never remember the full schedule or mentioned exercises, mostly routine stuff, rows, kickbacks, but very comprehensive, i stick to heavier cardio these days, more beneficial

Eh, you know....there have been times when I have equipment in house, and then not, but, not at the gym every day/ every other day, and, know a fair amount, but, don't really utilize what I know....(diets on wall, schedules, etc), and, you know, I firmly believe in pushing ones self beyond what has previous, or what thinks is possible , and get a fairly good feeling from it...

My spring regimen is more designed to make the grow regimen easier

Taking a little advice though and taking the "rest" times...(had weekends in mind, but if working on weekends, etc....well, that's not working out much I suppose

yeah, think i should do that too, fits right in the schedule,

Well, you quit smoking, you eat...most do......so, I kind of do all to feed off each other...(change diet to low/no carb,so eat what I want...usually go out after eating, so, that works out even better, and, then throw going out to deal withdrawls and it all plays off each other well.......Just started my 6 routes and still smoking (little less), so...going to ace the smokes and should be good to go (have already done some work here and there this year when I could)......full prep and holes this year, so, not pleased......about 10,000lbs of supplies on hand, so......(manure, peat, compost, worm castings, nutes, etc, etc.....unloaded (and mixed some) about 2500lbs this week myself by hand...fuckin crabby lately (throw on top someone who is disappointing me a little......well....)

Well, lot of the places close to good parking, i dont know area, complete other side of town, been those places couple times, but around where i am, lotta stuff that would seem funny someone parking late night, i can jog and ride far though, I'm pretty confident, its just getting me out, once im 10 minutes out the door, i feel great

Place you don't know should always be scoped extensively...if only for local (LE) schedules and patterns...I could tell ya fuckin stories man.......and a recent one also which would have most pissing down their leg...

well, had trays, fucked em up, too soaked, and temps down like 60s couple times, humidity, etc, need more trays now

Little too warm is better than a little too cold....soaked was probably the problem.....I keep mine same as others (bottoms of trays enough to keep them absorbing......) Moister side will also slow them down a little (rooting), but, I know that and prefer it over the alternative (ie: would rather have 2-3 extra days to root then to come and have them dried up, etc....)

Yeah, just want a clear cut, have easy clear 100% acess, so next harvest, will not try to completely dry out and cure in, will dry for xx days, then let finish at home (I didnt really intend to let it dry that long out, as said, I wanted to 'check' them

Well, your target isn't 100% dry out.....I go 7 days......which seems perfect, and, just enough so can bring in and while hanging, put aside after trim....by the time all trimmed it's dry and ready to go....(multiple angles....that's why I do it like that).....

You can hang something for 7, and it may very well look close to when cut....but, bring that inside, hang it upo, start trimming, and, by the time done, you will see, it's dried..(well, not dry, dry...but, good to go for next step......also depends on curing......how one cures depends how much moisture still left......ie: if curing in bags, 2 gallons, hefties........can go drier.....if curing in boxes, etc, can go a little wetter (not wet...but, "more moisture"....(because boxes will absorb moisture....bags will not of course, etc.......)

Point of hang is, just like above and below, to cover several angles at same time: Your losing weight, your losing smell, and, your shortening indoor exposure (less indoor by weight, volume, and smell).....I've had things dried outside (fully)...as above, didn't like them...1 week/7 days seems to be the best (trial and error), for reasons just stated (in my experience)......smell, volume, cut time off process.....

As earlier.....after 7 days in some cases might look close to when cut, but, it's not..(50% smell, 50% weight already gone.......)

still wanna do a spring run next year, with right strain, right conditions, could do 10 lbs out of 200 cuttings or so, still looking at that, maybe 3-4 hours south? a little different?

I'd really like to get a major AF round done....if big enough...might be able to take summer off for once ....(or not .....might not know what to do with myself with so much free time )

well see how the next round clones go, i think my OD is due for trimming, + tops of LUIs and StrawDxHP, so, I was wondering, do you flush your plants before taking cuttings? should I hold back and wait til I flush a week?

Actually, I hit em with a bloom dose....which is what I see now they teach in the Cali schools (not sure if they recommend hitting mother, or hitting kids......I hit moms and then I hit kids second watering/water when cloning.....(absorbs first, first starts to dry, then second is light, light nutes....but, one should always be careful, cause, lot of people burn them.......(I sometimes burn a tiny bit with seedlings/kids, tiny bit, can see a few tips on my trays (clones), but, that's because I push them and when see back it off....

also, if you recall, which power plant was it you were so satisfied with last year? and would you say you liked it more than the maroc stuff?

Absolutely I recall. DP fems PPP. (I got a little stock from those that will be/am running this year....) Liked more?......well, apples and oranges....

Maroc did surprise me with quality.......PP did surprise me with quality....Maroc in forest plots came out nice........PP was mixed......sunny, unobstructed clean plots came out spectacular.....truly....forest plots...not bad, but, not as "crisp and clean" as the wide open spots....Wide open PP was amazing...(for what it is and outdoor).....very pleased.....

(see, when I say those spots, talking sun up to sun down, heavy heavy winds, etc, so.....forest spots not always the case.....some of all, but, not close to 100% sun, 100% wind, etc........)

Better example was forest spots was about 3K more or less per, people liked it (read liked)...open spots......was 4k per, and people lined up for that shit...

So, apples and oranges....most important (to me) about Maroc was it's finishing times....(for me, as above, came in early, but.....while maybe not necessarily supposed to come in that early, it's still an early finisher....ie: When I was checking finish times, all people came in end of Aug more or less to first week September or so......quality is nice to throw on top of finishing time that early.....will be doing it again.......was a little variance on it....some were a little stringy...but "some" meaning, eh, maybe 1 out of 10, 1 out of 20....and, genetics...not environmental.....(from seed), as those were all together in same patches and locations, etc....

Not to mention....., I mean, something nice, and minimal cure by mid August, well .....the value was there given the time of year ..(August of course not prime harvest time, so ....came in handy......will do them again...100%...

yeah water sources, need em where I am, why im so interested in late season stuff, or early stuff, dont want to setup irrigation, might do a battery pump to a drip line res or something, but its on my mind, and on my weather radar, plenty of places see 4 a month, just not my urban, which is where Im at now,

Well......see, for me...(at least the way my mind works, as above with work out stuff)...it's not necessarily one angle which makes something attractive......late season, your talking all angles combined.....ie: smaller plant, smaller hole, smaller hole, less prep, less prep, less work, smaller plant, quicker finish, quicker finish, less risk, less risk, do more ....so.....I don't like irrigation for the simple fact one becomes "sophisticated" if it is located......so.....That's my angle on it......and how it's viewed, so....otherwise, would do it all the time, have better yields I am sure....would most likely add an extra 20%, but....nah...the attention it can bring....having lines everywhere, etc....nah....I'd rather focus on other angles.....(for my environments........ie: larger holes, moisture retaining ingredients, heavily watered when planted, etc........all other things that can be done.....

yeah, I think black at night is obviously smart,

Not "smart"......a must, plain and simple.....gloves (black) and mask doesn't hurt either....sometimes hard to find plain black running suits, etc (without some sort of stripes, etc....)

I was concered first night out at one spot, that could be seen up to 50 ft from road, then drove it couple nights later, yeah, maybe i could be seen, but not layed down, in black, and highly doubtful anyway, at night, we naturally look at the road, or follow the path of lights, not worried about being seen 15 ft from the road if im in black, again, laying completely down, the ground seems much softer when your dressed out mission style, kinda feels good sometimes

Well, first of all.....your focusing (I think) on wrong angle........

You might only be there 2 times entire season if all well (plant and cut).....and, depending on soil, how many, etc....first time/planting, might only be a little while, and, probably be on hands and knees anyway, planting one to the next......(can also put everything in hefties, so, when in spot, can pull black bags out of carrying bags, and your good)..

The real focus is can the plants be seen.....(which can be altered by time planted, topped, etc.....later planted also....) Depending on access, can also vary times for less traffic....(I like weekends for city spots, etc...go in there later, after dark on a weekend night...but, all depends on access and what is normal and what is not for area, etc.....)

 

[vod]

Reading your posts got me thinking... Is it necessary that one is a workaholic freak who loves punishing himself to accomplish something? he he Or does it just look like this from my lazy ass perspective?

Actually it reminded me of the book I finished reading a few weeks ago and of it's characters. I think it's a book you might find interesting (but I doubt if you have time for reading this time of the year ). I think it's an absolutely brilliant book. Covers many areas: philosophy, science, senses of self (or at least it made me think about senses of self a lot), how different we (people) can be from one another, history and the transition from the magical world view to the scientific one of modernity. Apart from that (at least in German) it's brilliantly written, very funny and not very long.

You might wanna pick it up. Measuring the World by Daniel Kehlmann:
http://www.amazon.com/Measuring-Wor...bs_sr_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1211204458&sr=8-2


Edit:
To make my post less off topic I might tell you all about my first not-so-massive outdoor project under way.
I have 12 female and 2 unsexed plants in a south facing but open towards south-west slope in a forest. Very urban location. Just under a highway, homes starting 100 meters form spot. Spot is quite stealth though (as long as surrounding veg is lush at least). A creek at the bottom of the little valley. I will put another ~10 females in it in about a month and that will fill out the remaining capability of the spot. Then I plan to find a couple spots for the minis (might be difficult - I'm learning the area since a year and have found not much).

Soil is loamy. I amended it (though not heavily as I can carry only 20l at once) with coco and water crystals to lighten it up as well as with longtime release ferts. I aim for at least 1kg if the spot isn't found till harvest. I have some outdoor bread early finisher mixes (Purple Power, Maroc, Shaman, Early Sativa mixes) and some longer flowering sativa hybrids (White Widow x Victory, Grapefruit x Victory, Kalichakra, C99 x Victory).

I have them all in spot since almost two weeks. They are a month old from seed and they doubled since planted outdoors (sun all the time till three days of overcast and some good rain ).

I follow this thread very closely, enjoy it thoroughly and apply what I learn to my situation.

 

[HOVAH]

Im gonna set my target at 6,000 plants total in the ground: ( 2000 nebulas, 2000 arjan ultra haze3, 2000 kali-mists)

 

[Julian]

Reading your posts got me thinking... Is it necessary that one is a workaholic freak who loves punishing himself to accomplish something? he he Or does it just look like this from my lazy ass perspective?

You know....I have been having a lot of problems the last couple weeks, month............regarding that above.......and, I'll tell ya:

I may, or may not be many things, but, one that I am...is fuckin serious......

Lazy?....workaholic?........you know.......a lot of things might be seen and said in jest, but, I mean: You want to get it done?....then get it done...

Money involved.....product involved......illegal activities?.........enormous amounts of work?.....

I mean, is there any room for anything but a deadly serious approach?

I don't want to get into specifics, but, have been questioning if I have to relax a bit in past couple weeks.....on my demands of people....but, after reviewing, and thinking in depth about it?.....No, absolutely not...

Do I like to bust my ass?........Well, sometimes, some enjoyment out of it, but, would rather be doing something else, just like everyone.....I don't enjoy driving hours upon hours upon hours at a time, unloading tons of supplies...working in pouring rain......(well, some )....but....you do what you have to do to achieve what you want, and, in the end, I think it's very little for the returns...... anyway.....hanging out, relaxing, etc.......whatever.,.....to me, that's for afterwards...after you have done what you set out to do......and, along those lines.......deserving for a job well done....

I may, or may not be a lot of things........but I get it done.....I get it done right.......and I always bring it in...

I think such things are necessary to do so....

Edit:
To make my post less off topic I might tell you all about my first not-so-massive outdoor project under way.
I have 12 female and 2 unsexed plants in a south facing but open towards south-west slope in a forest. Very urban location. Just under a highway, homes starting 100 meters form spot. Spot is quite stealth though (as long as surrounding veg is lush at least). A creek at the bottom of the little valley. I will put another ~10 females in it in about a month and that will fill out the remaining capability of the spot. Then I plan to find a couple spots for the minis (might be difficult - I'm learning the area since a year and have found not much).

Soil is loamy. I amended it (though not heavily as I can carry only 20l at once) with coco and water crystals to lighten it up as well as with longtime release ferts. I aim for at least 1kg if the spot isn't found till harvest. I have some outdoor bread early finisher mixes (Purple Power, Maroc, Shaman, Early Sativa mixes) and some longer flowering sativa hybrids (White Widow x Victory, Grapefruit x Victory, Kalichakra, C99 x Victory).

I have them all in spot since almost two weeks. They are a month old from seed and they doubled since planted outdoors (sun all the time till three days of overcast and some good rain ).

I follow this thread very closely, enjoy it thoroughly and apply what I learn to my situation.

Glad of interest and use......and, all sounds good...sounds like a good solid grab and they're settled in......(Importance of them grabbing is once they do so....your looking at serious growth...which helps in a lot of ways and angles.....ie: You have a good idea of what has and will make it......if aged, cages can come off depending on issues one faces....can move attention to other things...(such as next and later rounds, etc......)

I went/am going through a lot of coco this year....Have already used it in a lot of ways.........seems very convenient.....(bricks)......very convenient.....I don't understand the logic behind some issues with it (not what most would think), but.....we will see......came in very handy (bricks)....should work well.....

(I busted the bricks up into multiple layers and used them like that.....which suited my purposed very well...worked out well.....

Just be careful about the urbans.....(but your Europe, right? )