MASSIVE OUTDOOR GROW

[Julian]

I was talking to someone about that........

Correction:
Dead skunk, wrapped in diaper, stuffed under the arm/armpit of someone after a 16hr workday in 110 degree weather

(I'm a cook, so, never used the garlic analogy, though lot of people do and good illustration of "pungency"....)

Yeah, problem lately is my PS has to be constantly scaled down......ie: "Wow....I want that one"....."wow.....that one too"...."wow....how about those 2"...."wow, those are niceeeeee"........

Nah...if walking/driving down the street, you'd think it was a day care center dumpster next to woods I am not sticking my head in a day care dumpster next to the woods

Quick shot of something I was trimming,maybe week or so early (grabbed em because some mold issues), but, still a lot left out there .....

 

[mark6699331]

wow nice pic- What strain???


Remember that old seed bank garlic bud from like 1988-1989???

UMMMMM!!

Keep up the good work Jules

its nice to see a "real" person posting and not all these trolls.

thank for the tips!

mark

 

[Julian]

wow nice pic- What strain???

Little early, but, mold issues with a couple of those, so, had to come down (1 week, I think coming week they should be perfect...)

Actually? No ****in idea (well, an idea....I ran a bunch of skunk crosses from various sources, so...can only be them..was trying to do a shot of everything /each round/strain, etc, slacked a little missed 2-3 different things already...but, assuming one of those......This run.....maybe 40 strains...(maybe more....was trying to assemble list last week, checking over packs, etc...I try to always save a pack from everything so I can remember.....) Problem is all things were supposed to be isolated in different spots, so I had an idea, but, didn't end up that way (almost never does).... Things sometimes get moved from spots, things get mixed into spots.....etc.....couple pics can see many things, many heights, etc.....sometimes will spread rounds over spots...(ie: 100, put 10 into 10 existing spots, and so on and so on and so on....another 100, maybe 20 in 5 more spots, etc......basic issue is to not overload any single spot, just use what and where I can....)

Next round of pics (finished/each strain) should be impressive.....Have some incredible stuff coming down shortly (huge, dense, shocking pink....)

I pretty much do all touch and go...yeah, I would love to let everything go as long as possible...but, if problems arise, and, it's "close enough", down they come.....(I really don't get the "loss" I used to (mold issues, etc)....if it's "close enough", and, issues start, down it comes....(of course, also sometimes in stages.....affected parts trimmed out and come off, leave rest on,...take in stages.......sure many do the same....

Remember that old seed bank garlic bud from like 1988-1989???

UMMMMM!!

I DO!

My first batches were through Seed Bank...(SSSC also?...I don't remember......20+ ****in years, ya know? ...)

Wish I would have kept all catalogs.....yeah,since first batch/always ordered my stock.....(sometimes no, but, for the most part...yeah.....)

My all time favorite was a mid/late 80's NL 5 x Haze.....most "complex" bud I ever saw/smoked/tasted.....specific mother...never saw it again ....

Keep up the good work Jules

Glad of use.....

its nice to see a "real" person posting and not all these trolls.

Well, you know everyone needs a hobby I guess

thank for the tips!

mark

My pleasure.......whatever I can do....

 

[mark6699331]

I still have the seed bank catalog from like 1987 and the s.s.s.c. catelog from 87 or 88. Fantastic grow info in there. That's were i got clued into the water crystals. They knew more then than most know know. someone posted the 89 s.s.s.c catelog on this site somewhere- i printed it out.

Just send me your address and i'll send you a copy (LOL-inside joke)

Seriously at some point i'll scan it in and post it on here.

Man sure wish i could go pull a few of those giants with ya. sure miss it.

I'm already planning for next year. Indoor seems more of a hobby where outdoor is what's its really ALL ABOUT.

ALso outdoor bud is so much more heady and stoney.

I miss that haze nl5 too. First time i smoked it with an old friend we were walking around our suburban hood (circa 1989) and suddenly i was like "where are we" -i really didn't know- and he's like dude "were two blocks from your house you grew up in" FOR REAL- Prasises to NEVIL- Thanks man for all the good seedbank strains- you helped spread the love to all of us.

later

mark

 

[Julian]

I still have the seed bank catalog from like 1987 and the s.s.s.c. catelog from 87 or 88. Fantastic grow info in there. That's were i got clued into the water crystals. They knew more then than most know know. someone posted the 89 s.s.s.c catelog on this site somewhere- i printed it out.

Yeah, I see em now and then, scanned copies, etc.....back then though......different story...time...place.......I mean, getting catalogs on your potential stock ...was just...cool....very cool thing...

Man sure wish i could go pull a few of those giants with ya. sure miss it.

Eh, only a single season out of a lifetime.........as long as using downtime to think, plan, develop ideas, etc......accumulate.....eh.......a mere "blink of an eye"....

I'm already planning for next year. Indoor seems more of a hobby where outdoor is what's its really ALL ABOUT.

There ya go (already thinking about next).....I've been thinking about next for quite a while now myself.....

Indoor merely out of necessity....only last couple years (30+/-).....In is when you can't do out....or extra "gravy".....(I know, I know....I know all the pro indoor arguments and comments....I've done both extensively....in can never touch out.....ie: My reply to those arguments are let me know how much power and space I would need to do 5,000 8-16 footers and another several thousand 2-3 footers........(and finish all within 6 months or less and be packed up ..

Nah..out is where it's at.....Can do a lifetime worth in a single season...

ALso outdoor bud is so much more heady and stoney.

Out always has seemed of course "dirtier" to me..(very wet environment....pollution, etc, etc...), so, indoor always seems a little "cleaner", but, depends on season....this one turning out fairly favorable so far , and quality exceptional, very clean product, etc....so......(waiting to see how bubble runs turn out also....)

(Note: Last season I did run clones (identical) under many different conditions.......indoors, then put in larger spot, then out in city spots, and, the final verdict delivered by many who really didn't know the "fine print" was the city spots was the best out of all......something I found interesting...(city spots are direct sun from sunup to sun down, and, trains passing at 60mph many times a day, etc....)

I miss that haze nl5 too. First time i smoked it with an old friend we were walking around our suburban hood (circa 1989) and suddenly i was like "where are we" -i really didn't know- and he's like dude "were two blocks from your house you grew up in" FOR REAL-

Yeah, I get that off bubble......actually, similar to above happened.....was meeting someone....told them follow us...me and my driver blew one, started talking about things....30 minutes later we get a call from the guy who was following us asking us where the **** we went..........ie: We forget he was following us.....we were going somewhere....etc, etc........

 

[Julian]

Anyway......

So, I've been wanting to get some shots of some of the things, but, I'm always there when sun is out, hitting it wrong way, etc......can't get pics I like lately...(close ups....) Do most work during the day on those, so.....

Never really been big on pictures anyway....sometimes get them, sometimes don't...far too much work to do...some seasons never take one.....try to make it always serving a purpose (illustrating points, etc.....)...still want to get a pre hang, then a hang after week and indoor dry after a week, and, actually, something of interest below to me......and, to many regarding rates of growth, etc.....

So, some of the pink things....(can see, sun was brutal...)...So, here you have a good shot, here, another shot, here yet another, yet another, and, yet another. Now, what I find interesting, is, of course, I have no idea of exactly which bud was shot, but, definitely one of the above, and, what is of interest to me is This is one of those exact buds only 14 days ago....

Outdoors.......7 days?.......long, long time....14 days?.....well, above...14 days from your pinky to a pack of cigarettes.......Thought might be of interest...(new people always seem to lack patience....)...(Actually, very pleased because those are pretty much rock hard, and, not yet to the point where I wouldn't have a problem with cutting them (if mold began.....), so....still clean and untouched......so......(Thinking about digging the best one up and revegging....something I never do...but, very nice all around.....ie: yield, density, size, mold resistance, etc.....have been thinking about grabbing best example......could be good for a 1,000 in future .....

Actually, best shot of true color was when I stood over and shaded it but focus wasn't on.... (Was trying to get shots out of way....working...lot of work this time of year ...)

 

[Guest]

Im loving the Art of War quotes
after a christian phase of reading the bible, many same passages daily, and knowing how it can affect daily mood and outook, its great to put to use a book with 'true' and 'strong' knowledge., I'll check that one out before the season begins (asap, as we all know the season begins before the seed sprouts) it sounds quite useful

I prefer Nietzsche, very free-spirited, independent, yet always emphasizing the need to create, or evolve beyond oneself

::Every man is a creative cause of what happens, a primum mobile with an original movement.::

::The essence of all beautiful art, all great art, is gratitude.::

And truly I must thank you, again Julian, for perking my interest even further in cultivating myself, and showing a foundation to live life upon(really teach a man to fish, lol), I cannot count my questions towards business owners nor how much I've learned just asking about other peoples interests, businesses, tactics, (less tactics, just observing size/operation of business, how much did they have before stepping in, what makes each successful, and how you can, when you can, what you can, esp.

I love your wisdom, it's so direct, yet free flowing, if I had to, I'd say the force is strong with you Jules, dont know how else to put it, lol

I find myself wondering..."huh, wonder what jualian would do" you are an excellent mentor
(anyways, just wanted to say thanks again, in case you bail out soon with that user) The way you throw out lines like, 'call it 30Ps....120 plants....5 years, wake up its gone....'...i can HEAR you, movie written style, speaks directly to you, You make it very clear, this is what ANYONE can do, and if you dont, someone else will, you reduce the shit, state the facts, and leave us wondering why the **** not.....you words are appreciated, more than any person-to-person words I've heard in a while (I mean in such long and thorough conversing, not one liners)

****, I'm ranting, but rock on, I cant say thanks enough bro, I never thought I could own a bar or art gallery by 25, but I'm writing down the possibilities every few days now

...course this is also nietzsche
In praise there is more obtrusiveness than in blame. lol, excuse any 'heavy' obtrusiveness

 

[RevolutionX]

omg....those are some beautiful shots man. i never seen pistils so vibrant pink or magenta or whatever but wow- very pretty. i would like to nominate that last photo for potm if that ok, also what strains is that anyway? please keep the eye candy coming..i luv it.

 

[Julian]

Im loving the Art of War quotes
after a christian phase of reading the bible, many same passages daily, and knowing how it can affect daily mood and outook, its great to put to use a book with 'true' and 'strong' knowledge., I'll check that one out before the season begins (asap, as we all know the season begins before the seed sprouts) it sounds quite useful

I've read through all major works (Bible, Koran, Kaballah,etc, etc) Feel my duty as a citizen of the world....(not an "expert" by any means...) I like it best, and seem to gravitate towards Eastern works/philosophy.....(A Samurai in another life maybe? )

Definitely something that anyone, anytime, anywhere can apply to all areas of their life, regardless of education, income, social status at any given moment.... (Same with I Ching....)

I prefer Nietzsche, very free-spirited, independent, yet always emphasizing the need to create, or evolve beyond oneself

::Every man is a creative cause of what happens, a primum mobile with an original movement.::

::The essence of all beautiful art, all great art, is gratitude.::

Can't recall reading any....people have also recommended Machiavelli (sp?)...might have some somewhere...lot of things I haven't read still around..(I have always bought enormous amounts of books...probably only through half at this point.....finished go in bookcases/library (later reference..)....things not started sit in cases/cartons....(have about 20 cases of things not started....when busy...get kind of backed up.....)

And truly I must thank you, again Julian, for perking my interest even further in cultivating myself,

Your quite welcome....always glad to provide something of use in some way, shape, or form......On that note (above)...I think people don't dedicate enough effort I think on developing themselves...(Which actually can apply to any aspect of ones life......I talk about that a lot with guys regarding women .....ie: Guys spend all their time complaining instead of that time and effort into becoming a "better man" which people (women) might find of more interest ...

Hope I'm making any sense at all about anything Exhausted and crabby today , didn't intend on any post...just stopped in to look something up (strains) and check pm's....( Nothing like busting your ass in the field to remind you your just getting older )

and showing a foundation to live life upon(really teach a man to fish, lol), I cannot count my questions towards business owners nor how much I've learned just asking about other peoples interests, businesses, tactics, (less tactics, just observing size/operation of business, how much did they have before stepping in, what makes each successful, and how you can, when you can, what you can, esp.

Well, I hope people realize (if anyone reading ) that the most valuable statement(s) in this entire thread have just been said.......and a display of your wisdom...That's what you do......I do it all the time......always have....anyone...anywhere....any business.....

**** the weather.......you spend such time asking them about their business, how they started, how they did it, why they did it, etc, etc, etc....

(I spent at least 1 hour this week with about 5 different people, 5 different industries doing the same...and have been for years......what you can learn......understand....inspiration is priceless......priceless........)

Where else....and when, do people have such a opportunity?...(for free better yet) Most are glad to accommodate within reason....(ie: Don't push your luck...be conscious of their time...etc....)

I'm very impressed.......truly.....

I love your wisdom, it's so direct, yet free flowing, if I had to, I'd say the force is strong with you Jules, dont know how else to put it, lol

Flattered and humbled.....very kind of your to say....Just trying to offer what I can, as always that might be of use..(and not found in 30 identical thread....)

I find myself wondering..."huh, wonder what jualian would do" you are an excellent mentor (anyways, just wanted to say thanks again, in case you bail out soon with that user) The way you throw out lines like, 'call it 30Ps....120 plants....5 years, wake up its gone....'...i can HEAR you, movie written style, speaks directly to you, You make it very clear, this is what ANYONE can do, and if you dont, someone else will, you reduce the shit, state the facts, and leave us wondering why the **** not.....you words are appreciated, more than any person-to-person words I've heard in a while (I mean in such long and thorough conversing, not one liners)

Well, again.....glad of use.....(would be a waste of time otherwise...for all...)

I truly believe all of the above....I've spent a large portion of my life listening to people create reasons they can not do whatever they wish they could ....(I usually don't listen for long though ....)

I never thought I could own a bar or art gallery by 25, but I'm writing down the possibilities every few days now

Well, realistically.....when you break those statements down into manageable steps..(which everything is), one see's that such things are actually nowhere near what most would consider unreasonable, unrealistic objectives....

(****, I read something this weekend about some 16yr old girl with a myspace page, whose traffic is so large (quarter million hits a day) that advertisers are not only funneling 6-7 figures to her, but, also 7 figure offers to buy it .......15yr old girl......(and, I saw interview......obviously not a glimmer of intelligence... and I say that because anyone 16 who would turn down 7 figures for a free site isn't playing with a full deck ....half assed money management would find them at mid 8 figures by 30 .......beats the hell out of being a waitress I think .....)

Art gallery different animal.....another game, so......not one of my areas of expertise (although I do have a fairly good overview and understanding of day to day....)

Yeah....business.....house....etc....all those things are quite simple......usually first 100k hardest, then 500k, then breaking 1MM, etc.....like everything else......but, depends on how you approach...but, half way decent business and home?....eh,.....1 decent crop ....(the 30/120 above is low end....those same 120 could easily bring you 100lbs+ if work put in, locations, a good season...etc...but, I recommend estimating low.......you round down income expectations and round up expenses ....

(Actually, most peoples expenses rise according to income, when the real trick is actually reducing your expenses as income rises...I catch my spending now and then......see it getting out of hand, etc....)

...course this is also nietzsche
In praise there is more obtrusiveness than in blame. lol, excuse any 'heavy' obtrusiveness

I like that one ......

 

[Guest]

Holy quote an reply jullian.......

You have really worked your fingers OFF.......
THis is a HUGE thread,any new pics of a crop?

 

[Julian]

omg....those are some beautiful shots man.

Thanks man...as above.......lot of issues lately on close shots due to sun.....could probably get better ones at sundown, etc, but, usually out of there by then (grilling ).....Wish I could have got some better ones, but....wanted to get them out of way..lot of work to do....

i never seen pistils so vibrant pink or magenta or whatever but wow- very pretty.

"Shocking" pink I call em Yeah....wish I could get a good entire plant shot of some of those......I'm really curious as to how they will dry/cure..(regarding colors)....some of them it's interesting because pistils, as you see, but, then, the temps bringing in some purple also....so.....yeah, really wondering how those will dry.....(and, more important, hope weather enables those to go full term....very big and tight, so...watching a lot closely right about now......will hate to cut those too early (ie: little early?...eh, no big deal....too early?....always a ****in shame...) Yeah, thinking about hanging onto best one.....

i would like to nominate that last photo for potm if that ok,

Humbled and flattered, but, I don't think any of those of that quality...just for demonstrative purposes....just wanted to share what I was referring to...

also what strains is that anyway? please keep the eye candy coming..i luv it.

Actually, trying to get to the bottom of that now (one reason for pics)......those are from a private source....trying to pinpoint exactly which those were....(of course will share that when determined.....anything now would just be speculation.....) I'm very pleased so far though...larger plants/good growth, large yielder, serious density to it, no mold issues/mold resistant thus far....just have to see how it finishes, and, dries/cures...smell impressive....(can't describe this moment, smelled 1,000 things this weekend ) Some other things reek of grape bubblicious and kind of threw me off everything else......

 

[Julian]

Holy quote an reply jullian.......

You have really worked your fingers OFF.......
THis is a HUGE thread,any new pics of a crop?

No other pics than the 73 already in thread.

 

[Guest]

LMAO @ 17 yr old girl with a million, self made,

Yeah I read this story about a week ago, me and my lady really tripped, one of best success stories I've heard, (the girl is even hiring some contractors in india, and offering phone 'layouts/wallpapers' for a small price, moving foward, I mean) she came form a lower income family in south detroit, great story, no hot shot dad setup...

****, I've gotten high and forgotten how to quote again, lol, but the line about "**** the weather...questions about what you do, why, how"

exactly how I feel, sure I bullshit, but if the person has things going on, I like to know what makes it tick, right

The art gallery was thrown out there, something different, I spend a lot of time, with music, art, and literature, but it's something hard to make money in...(takes time, contacts) more time, or involvement with any place be very nice, would actually probably go to school, but just have to see, I'm confident in my ability to run with something once I settle my sights on it - actually been pricing bars also (building a vibe and atmosphere to pull people in seems challenging and ****ing cool imo), and most seem out of reach for a first year harvest, but thats ok, time to build credit, consider and plan, maybe start something smaller, love landscaping, maybe graphic-t mall stands, who knows, plenty of things would love to learn

It's interesting actually, I'm very close to, ie, known for 10+ years, 2 people who have begun businesses in the last yr (one guy started 1yr and half ago, but both heavy equipment related businesses) but they run their businesses differently, and the results are obviously very different, not only the results though, but the ,(hard to say) methods, steps taken to ensure success, are also obvious, and we discuss it, for hours sometimes, I like to think I'm absorbing their vibe and knowledge some days, LOL

Yep, thats about it, and much appreciated the comments about wisdom, always admired such people and felt a draw towards that type in self, the kind you cant fight, lol

I'm about to quit smoking, last bag right now, got a really good job offer (oil rigs everywhere) that would give random UAs, I hate to think I'm quitting to go be someones tool, but I could use a 6 month break anyway($100+/week aint cheap), been a while since I've done blue collar work, think I'd enjoy it

gotta go browse craigslist, if you keep up with it daily its like the new super ****ing walmart, can find anything on there, lots for free, sheds, furniture, ovens, fans, over 200 vehicles and job postings a day where I am, hell youcant even count the daily personals, i feel like some space age kid in a cyber candy store on that site, later

 

[Guest]

And now, a relavent MASSIVE OUTDOOR COMMERCIAL GROW question...

You said earlier, I'm pretty sure, that you usually cage heavy, I'm assuming around like a patch, or group/string of plants, not individual? Deer shouldnt be bad at all in most my areas, pests and rabbits main concern, just curious how you handle that

 

[Julian]

LMAO @ 17 yr old girl with a million, self made,

Yeah I read this story about a week ago, me and my lady really tripped, one of best success stories I've heard, (the girl is even hiring some contractors in india, and offering phone 'layouts/wallpapers' for a small price, moving foward, I mean) she came form a lower income family in south detroit, great story, no hot shot dad setup...

Well....these days?...it's just another story....nothing special about it......(except she didn't sell site........and.....as in life......tide changes........she should have sold it........)

****, I've gotten high and forgotten how to quote again, lol, but the line about "**** the weather...questions about what you do, why, how"

exactly how I feel, sure I bullshit, but if the person has things going on, I like to know what makes it tick, right

Bullshit's fine...has it's place, but not when your standing in front of someone who can provide you otherwise invaluable knowledge you can't readily acquire elsewhere..

Ya know?....

actually been pricing bars also (building a vibe and atmosphere to pull people in seems challenging and ****ing cool imo), and most seem out of reach for a first year harvest, but thats ok, time to build credit, consider and plan, maybe start something smaller, love landscaping, maybe graphic-t mall stands, who knows, plenty of things would love to learn

And that's how it's done....and, what's important......ie: Cultivate ideas....build yourself and picture in the process, never losing site of possibilities and options......and in the meantime collecting knowledge about how things are/work...etc......

(See, I think what looses people is they think of something they might like, attach a full price tag, and, wave it off as "impossible"....when in reality much closer than they believe........trick is happy medium.....ie: Lot of people shoot too far into things that are beyond they reach and then get disappointed.......meaning.....instead of thinking okay, something 150k (business), maybe get it for 50k, and, build from there, they set sights on something 1MM, which they might need a much stronger financial position and maybe 3-400k.....obviously, if they can't raise 50k, they are wasting time on 400k...etc.....

Gotta start somewhere, and, you build from there....(which might trigger a commentary on how these days everyone needs everything now...no patience, no understanding about "building" things, etc....same could be applied to growing.....people want to make 1MM, but, not put in the work, and, complain about what it might take (expenses) to pull off such.....Doesn't come that easy ....

It's interesting actually, I'm very close to, ie, known for 10+ years, 2 people who have begun businesses in the last yr (one guy started 1yr and half ago, but both heavy equipment related businesses) but they run their businesses differently, and the results are obviously very different, not only the results though, but the ,(hard to say) methods, steps taken to ensure success, are also obvious, and we discuss it, for hours sometimes, I like to think I'm absorbing their vibe and knowledge some days, LOL

"You become who surrounds you" .......

In future you will see and feel the benefits of interacting with such people.......

I'm about to quit smoking, last bag right now, got a really good job offer (oil rigs everywhere) that would give random UAs, I hate to think I'm quitting to go be someones tool, but I could use a 6 month break anyway($100+/week aint cheap), been a while since I've done blue collar work, think I'd enjoy it

Eh...I take breaks now and then.....up until recently, really hadn't been for a while (seems to be my pattern...late Sept till about Feb I smoke heavy........then pretty much fairly light.......) I think everyone should lay off once and a while...various reasons....(if doing a lot of stuff...focus......maybe lower tolerance, etc.....week enough for many to do that...lot of reasons......) Never a bad idea......and, of course, save a little money...(I have a dear friend who goes through at least a z a week.....not a wealthy guy...."average" worker....so.....(and it's hardcore...), so....what....15k a yr guy blows? (****, guy only makes like 40-50k a yr, so.....guy could be spending that on maintaining rental properties or something, ya know?...anything in excess, never good...(spoken by someone who lives and breathes excess )

gotta go browse craigslist, if you keep up with it daily its like the new super ****ing walmart, can find anything on there, lots for free, sheds, furniture, ovens, fans, over 200 vehicles and job postings a day where I am, hell youcant even count the daily personals, i feel like some space age kid in a cyber candy store on that site, later

I love craigslist...many reasons...(whenever I clean.....I end up giving a lot of stuff away...hate to throw things out that are useful...have life left in them, etc.......buy shit, sell shit, give shit away....craiglist rocks .....Not bad for people and green either (But it is monitored, so, people have to watch it...)...

And now, a relavent MASSIVE OUTDOOR COMMERCIAL GROW question...

It's all relevant ....

You said earlier, I'm pretty sure, that you usually cage heavy, I'm assuming around like a patch, or group/string of plants, not individual? Deer shouldnt be bad at all in most my areas, pests and rabbits main concern, just curious how you handle that

Not "heavy", but, of course I do in larger spots/farther out......but, not as extensive as many do.....

City spots I never do...losses are minor, but, again, to do so goes against the entire desired approach.....so.......

Larger, I do, and, at this point in time, there are loads out there at all spots (when we pull, they just go in a pile in bushes nearby and wait till their services are required the following season ....) Enough out there over the years to cover any number....sometimes I run less, sometimes more.....every season not the same.....

Now, something that might be of use to someone new is watch how you cage them....

What do I mean?......

You pinch or close tops, and, don't open them at right time, the plant will then grow through them.....

Why is that necessarily a problem?

Because it may also grow at an angle to get through.......

And then you have a crooked stem, which, later on, will not support giants....(I've had this happen and came down heavy on partners........) Guess it all depends on what one faces.....but, thought I would throw that in....ie: watch how they are caged, closed, plant growth, etc.....

 

[Guest]

long post incoming...

Bullshit's fine...has it's place, but not when your standing in front of someone who can provide you otherwise invaluable knowledge you can't readily acquire elsewhere..

Exactly, right, why if you are standing in front of a gold mine do you wanna kick coal around? Really though...If someone has something to offer, I'll play the look and listen game, a little kiss ass. I'm mostly a rebellious person (don't conform, unconventional, do it as I feel I should), but if I can add more knowledge to my head, that's just that much more to experiment and play with

(See, I think what looses people is they think of something they might like, attach a full price tag, and, wave it off as "impossible"....when in reality much closer than they believe........trick is happy medium.....ie: Lot of people shoot too far into things that are beyond they reach and then get disappointed.......meaning.....instead of thinking okay, something 150k (business), maybe get it for 50k, and, build from there, they set sights on something 1MM, which they might need a much stronger financial position and maybe 3-400k.....obviously, if they can't raise 50k, they are wasting time on 400k...etc...

Also very true, people start to catch a wave, look up, and are blinded by the sun, like babies, their heads are unstable, untrained, and they see something too far, too bright, too beyond. Many many profitable businesses, for sale, for less than $70,000. Many start up businesses can be done with the same money or less. Show right person $20,000 and right plan, knowledge of the industry, and you start climbing the ladder right there.

In fact, of the two people I mentioned starting own business, neither had a strong lump sum, both made around 600-800 a week. Opposite spectrums of success right in front of me with these two, love feeding off it, lol. Lots of words incoming......

One guy, we'll call guy A, spent years cultivating relationships, even without business in direct sight, knowing people, making side money for each other perhaps once in a while, ie. giving work to each other, helping. He talked to a lawyer before starting, was contracted not to go in his own business for 18mo, but beat that in city with no prob. He basically had nothing to his name, 2 or 3 cars valued less than 6k each. He presented his plan, to two brothers who had some money and great credit, in different industry, but working side by side his. He, with no degree, and a long list of drugs taken over his 20s, talked these guys into fronting him 250k(as business partners) in first 6 months, over half a million right now. First year in business tried to get a contract with city, other companies in his industry convinced city he couldnt do it, hadnt been established yet, shut him down basically. He came back 6 months later, with a little more in business, and a lot of talking to right people about how he was man to put to work, and got contract. Now in a busy city has a contract to cover a large part of the north/nice side, and swears he plans on shutting down the biggest guys, he used to work for, lotsa 'sloppy' problems, he plans to fix. I think it's a matter of time til his business is a half a million a year business at least, his competitors about 2-2.5

Other guy (guy B now), who I've known longer, is asked by above guy if he can do a job for him, "well....i gotta...i dunno....maybe...Ill call you back" lol, not good relations. Also refused to work labor day for guy A. Guy B did not talk to lawyers, did not create elaborate solid plan, actual plan that would evolve into money, was fired from job when they caught him using their tools at his new business. His business is barely open, just moved into another spot, bad location, can't be seen, hard to get into He likes to 'bullshit' with people "well yesterday....I knew this guy..." and so on wont last long Im pretty sure

There are a whole lot more differences I could list...guy A always answers his phone, has 3, when on phone, speaks business most of the time, even when jacking with people, conducting business most of the time. guy B has phone number for business but will tell you, "if i dont know the number I dont answer, they can leave a message..."

lol, yeah, I try to talk more with guy A about pos/negs, it's good to find ourselves agreeing...you know....a business, the meaning, is to provide a product or service to someone....so in my mind, MHO, a business succeeds when they CAN at ANYTIME sometimes, supply, what you need. A business succeeds when it accomodates and supplies the needs of more people. Sometimes a persons product or service CREATES a demand, but they must still FULFILL the demand to succeed. If you cant fill the demand, someone else out there can and will. NEXT, lol

"You become who surrounds you" .......

In future you will see and feel the benefits of interacting with such people.......

Yeah, I've always believed this one also. It's odd in me, again, I'm rebellious, could care less half the time, (or try to come off such, lol) it's odd though, to be arguing with my girlfriend, look, I don't think those people are any good, it's not that THEY are bad, they just do stupid things and such. She says "Well you think I listen to them when they say that or do you think I wanna be like them?" I cant really explain, I try to tell her look, its unconcsious, it pulls at the edges of your existence til you are a piece of their pie, pie made with the same ingredients.
If you stand on the side of the fence where everyone is staring at the bad, youll end up looking that way too, but jump on the side of the fence where people see the good, and your head will wander that way also.

Friends, I've disanced myself from greatly in last 6 months. I'm thinking selective friendship in future, lol. People that show signs of success, weather it's stability in one thing, love of knowledge, experimentation, or just a really good ear and mouthpiece, lol. Someone that I can get with and grow, lol, no pun intended. Healthy individuals, more spiritually then food i mean.

I love cheeseburgers too, but when it comes to the grill, my weekend favs are definately skirt steak, try new spices and rubs always, growing really got me into flavors, organics, trying to get most out of peppers and meat combinations, funny little circle there, more on circles in another post.

Well, I think I got a couple of ol' roaches ready to go in the bong, hope its the last smoke for a while. Agree with quitting, take breaks just because, a little change, a little newness, why not, youll probably smoke 20+ yrs out of your life, whats 1 month or 2 sets of 2 weeks without your herb right?

 

[Julian]

long post incoming...

You call that a long post?....c'monnnn (****in with ya )

Exactly, right, why if you are standing in front of a gold mine do you wanna kick coal around? Really though...If someone has something to offer, I'll play the look and listen game, a little kiss ass. I'm mostly a rebellious person (don't conform, unconventional, do it as I feel I should), but if I can add more knowledge to my head, that's just that much more to experiment and play with

I wouldn't call that "kiss ass"......(granted, if one sacrifices their integrity, self respect in the process, of course....but, you know...talking to someone about things.....just interaction man....just social interaction.......and, of course, all depends on people's response......I've got my little issues myself , so, the flip side of the above is how they react to you....ie: Generous with time, show respect, etc...it's fine....and, if they are not/do not?...Well, you drop it because their behavior probably indicates flaws in what they would share anyway.....

I say it all the time.......2 kinds of people in this world....You have the "You need lots of training, you don't understand all involved, etc", and the "No problem, simple, can tell you in 5 minutes"....

The former I assume carries with it psychological issues....(I dunno....maybe their insecure to start with...etc.....)

But, you usually know all that before those conversations even begin anyway.....all kinds of people......(I know an attorney....truly impressive career...literally, they handle billion dollar transactions.......but, when talking sometimes...I feel like I am trying to explain it to a 5 year old, and, of course, everyone else is stupid....not them

Yeah.......most don't realize the amount of information they can draw throughout the day in a normal day if they're just a little social .

I deal with a lot of people...in a lot of industries daily.......I say it all the time....out of an hour.....only about 5 minutes is actual business :...the rest?...Free info for me about everything I want to know .....(Have to watch that though and not push your luck ....

Also very true, people start to catch a wave, look up, and are blinded by the sun, like babies, their heads are unstable, untrained, and they see something too far, too bright, too beyond.

Hmmm......interestingly put ......

Many many profitable businesses, for sale, for less than $70,000. Many start up businesses can be done with the same money or less. Show right person $20,000 and right plan, knowledge of the industry, and you start climbing the ladder right there.

Under 70k?......Depends where you are but absolutely...(and, if not profitable, the possibility to be......a lot of business's are people who got into them...didn't know what they were truly getting into, and, now they want out.......you know how? You have ideas?.....could turn it around completely.....and, as elsewhere, in the process, that turnaround may even double, triple or more what you paid for it ....Not easy....but, all possible.....

You know...Most of the time it is I who is trying to get people into a business, but, I do have a lot of people ask me for money, invest, etc, and, what's interesting relating to the above is most people just want a blank check or a briefcase ....ie: No plan, no budgets, nothing regarding cash flow and break even, etc....just an idea.......some proposals I hear actually funny (Now, I am not an accountant or MBA....I probably could not create a business plan.......my start ups have always been done on napkins ...but, I can read them, understand, analyze and question.....ie: Not an accountant, but, can add and subtract and have run many things....

Lot of people tend to also ignore their market competition.....prices of competitors, services, etc....ie: yours in comparison to others....)

But, ideas?.....I see things all day long, and, many are very simple.....truly...nothing special.....Everyones looking for a "breakthrough"...something that will change the world.......Well.....that would be nice, but, for most people....you really need much less to create a nice living......

Saw something recently...like a trainer, etc, for VIP's....was something like 1k a month, per client...(and they spend maybe 1-2 hrs a week per client....single person, could be pulling in 10k a month.....

Was reading about a new (er) business...what do they do? They come to your house and remove all your dog shit from the back yard .....maybe 50 bucks for 5 minutes, and, it's exploding.....

What do they say?....something about "reinventing the wheel"?.....

(mind you...I keep an eye out for people, etc, extra business's....my own business's I consider myself blessed to be in such...and, really not many things I can make more money from, so....but, I always keep an eye out...10-20k can put another friend, family member into something?.....Done deal....I try to do what I can...)

Anyway......

In fact, of the two people I mentioned starting own business, neither had a strong lump sum, both made around 600-800 a week. Opposite spectrums of success right in front of me with these two, love feeding off it, lol. Lots of words incoming......

One guy, we'll call guy A, spent years cultivating relationships, even without business in direct sight, knowing people, making side money for each other perhaps once in a while, ie. giving work to each other, helping. He talked to a lawyer before starting, was contracted not to go in his own business for 18mo, but beat that in city with no prob. He basically had nothing to his name, 2 or 3 cars valued less than 6k each. He presented his plan, to two brothers who had some money and great credit, in different industry, but working side by side his. He, with no degree, and a long list of drugs taken over his 20s, talked these guys into fronting him 250k(as business partners) in first 6 months, over half a million right now. First year in business tried to get a contract with city, other companies in his industry convinced city he couldnt do it, hadnt been established yet, shut him down basically. He came back 6 months later, with a little more in business, and a lot of talking to right people about how he was man to put to work, and got contract. Now in a busy city has a contract to cover a large part of the north/nice side, and swears he plans on shutting down the biggest guys, he used to work for, lotsa 'sloppy' problems, he plans to fix. I think it's a matter of time til his business is a half a million a year business at least, his competitors about 2-2.5

Note: In many cases....they best thing one can do with money is make their contributions to certain local government .....

Can open a lot of doors...lot of favors...lot of important people .....

Not to be underestimated....ever....at all.....

ie: couple k or so to ensure a 60-80k yr city job?.......couple k to ensure a chance to grow a business one day reaching into 7 figures?......

Too many people "penny wise and pound foolish.." ("cheap" people drive me absolutely insane.....I see far too many, and, really bothers me.....)

You know...the other thing about such things that I was thinking as you wrote that......Private matters?...it's who you are...relationships, knowledge, talent which dictate a lot more...(ie: Not like corporate, and resume, etc...)

Other guy (guy B now), who I've known longer, is asked by above guy if he can do a job for him, "well....i gotta...i dunno....maybe...Ill call you back" lol, not good relations. Also refused to work labor day for guy A. Guy B did not talk to lawyers, did not create elaborate solid plan, actual plan that would evolve into money, was fired from job when they caught him using their tools at his new business. His business is barely open, just moved into another spot, bad location, can't be seen, hard to get into He likes to 'bullshit' with people "well yesterday....I knew this guy..." and so on wont last long Im pretty sure

There are a whole lot more differences I could list...guy A always answers his phone, has 3, when on phone, speaks business most of the time, even when jacking with people, conducting business most of the time. guy B has phone number for business but will tell you, "if i dont know the number I dont answer, they can leave a message..."

Well, in all honestly, 2nd guy sounds like he's a 9-5'er......"trying" it.....all kind of people, ya know.......unfortunately, he sounds like someone just not "made for it"...

Now.........you can delve further, and, if his talent in field is adequate, then, of course, the smart thing (on his part) would be to pinpoint and address his shortcomings/weakness's........hire someone to take those tasks on.....(Which is not a problem.....we all have weakness's....smart thing to do is hand those off to someone that those very same are their strength's ......(While I am good with details.....they are not what I want to spend every waking moment on ........so....

Plus, it's a matter of efficiency also.......Forget my specific case....(for various reasons)...good example would be everyone from an attorney to a plumber......If your income is $100 an hour, why spend your time on tasks which you could hire someone to do for $20 an hour....and on it trickles down.....ie: Many are swamped with simple tasks day to day.....why take a day off work to catch up on things if that day you would make $500, when you could hire someone to wipe those tasks out of the way for $100.......(I hire a lot of people for things like that....for me, all started based around my trading.........ie: Going to drop off and pick up from dry cleaners could cost me $10k.....(missed trade(s), etc....Running to bank, to store....same deal....etc....)

Always have to be aware of max efficiency and bottom line....Maybe your guy (#2) is just overwhelmed.......some things his weak points....so...he should consider bringing someone on to handle those.......and, doesn't necessarily have to cost him a lot...I pay a lot because I have it and am generous......I might pay someone $50 an hour for something I could hire someone to do the same things for $10.....But, for me...I ask a lot ...so...all comes out even in the end ....

Anyway...yeah man...he should focus his efforts on what he does well, what brings in the money and any shortcomings/weakness's....he should hire someone to do (can even be part time....can even be from home....I have a couple people who just take things home, work from home, emails, etc....they don't get paid as well of course ....)

lol, yeah, I try to talk more with guy A about pos/negs, it's good to find ourselves agreeing...you know....a business, the meaning, is to provide a product or service to someone....so in my mind, MHO, a business succeeds when they CAN at ANYTIME sometimes, supply, what you need. A business succeeds when it accommodates and supplies the needs of more people. Sometimes a persons product or service CREATES a demand, but they must still FULFILL the demand to succeed. If you cant fill the demand, someone else out there can and will. NEXT, lol

I'm with ya on that one....and, makes or breaks a lot of business's.......I have a story about that (something I set up once...from day one profitable....merely picking up pieces that others were dropping along the way...first month pocketed 5k....couple hours actual work....)

Again...might be someones weakness's....might be their philosophies...or, lack of understanding people...markets, etc...ie: When people step up that means they want it.....if they can't get what they need from you, they will make another call and it's done, lost, etc.....

Yeah, I've always believed this one also. It's odd in me, again, I'm rebellious, could care less half the time, (or try to come off such, lol) it's odd though, to be arguing with my girlfriend, look, I don't think those people are any good, it's not that THEY are bad, they just do stupid things and such. She says "Well you think I listen to them when they say that or do you think I wanna be like them?" I cant really explain, I try to tell her look, its unconcsious, it pulls at the edges of your existence til you are a piece of their pie, pie made with the same ingredients.
If you stand on the side of the fence where everyone is staring at the bad, youll end up looking that way too, but jump on the side of the fence where people see the good, and your head will wander that way also.

Friends, I've disanced myself from greatly in last 6 months. I'm thinking selective friendship in future, lol. People that show signs of success, weather it's stability in one thing, love of knowledge, experimentation, or just a really good ear and mouthpiece, lol. Someone that I can get with and grow, lol, no pun intended. Healthy individuals, more spiritually then food i mean.

Well, it's absolutely true, and, endless angles to it........from a way of thinking....to behavior....etc...spans a lot of things.....

From topic at hand could translate easiest into if your a 9-5'er, want to start/run successful business, but, those surrounding you are all unemployed and 9-5'ers themselves, with no vision, desire for more, etc....to surround oneself with such people, will most likely affect your own desires and direction....I've seen it 100 times....I know people who are still sitting in the same spot they were 20 years ago (sounds funny, but, actually, quite literal ).....

Hard to be positive, when surrounded by negative........

Hard to be creative and have a vision when surrounded by those who have neither.....

Hard to want more, want to improve yourself, life, families life when your surrounded by those who do not....

etc, etc, etc, etc....

Doesn't mean anything is wrong with them........doesn't mean your "better" than them........

Merely both have other interests......

Is what it is....I've been there and cut people off, etc...

I love cheeseburgers too, but when it comes to the grill, my weekend favs are definately skirt steak, try new spices and rubs always, growing really got me into flavors, organics, trying to get most out of peppers and meat combinations, funny little circle there, more on circles in another post.

Ehhh...don't get me wrong......I like it all, I grill it all (literally.....when I'm grilling, enough for like 30 people...), but, in the end, just simple cheeseburger(s) ...As above...sure psychological.....I seem to be gravitating more and more lately to the "simple"....go figure.. I wonder why Was just talking to partners this week...about time again to make a meat order (butcher, cow, angus, etc, we split em all the time...) I like filets if I can get a good price on a bunch.....(thick of butterflied), like rib eyes, sometimes...skirts are good for sandwiches (french bread, etc)...but, yeah, in the end....just a burger is fine for me ..(or 2, or 8 ) Has to be fresh rolls though from bakery....

Well, I think I got a couple of ol' roaches ready to go in the bong, hope its the last smoke for a while. Agree with quitting, take breaks just because, a little change, a little newness, why not, youll probably smoke 20+ yrs out of your life, whats 1 month or 2 sets of 2 weeks without your herb right?

Eh....to me always not a big thing, and, I sometimes even forget about it.....I usually get pulled back when I have periods of extreme stress..(yeah, always, but, sometimes worse than others ....nothing wipes away a week or more of stress like blowing one...and, of course, then, because you've been dry(clean).....****....not even a whole one...couple nice hits does the trick....I didn't smoke once for like...I dunno.......2+ years..(was just busy .....business, etc...) Is what it is.....I try to watch my drinking much, much more than my smoking ....Harvest time always finds me overindulging..(everything to rolling one, to scissor, finger, bubble, have bottles of oil around (olive and vegetable) use for everything, etc...so......depends how busy I am...I usually don't if I have a lot of work to do(ie: meaning heavy public interaction, 20hr day, etc).....You know...if I do, I do, if I don't, I don't...not a big deal (see, for me, I just get rid of everything, so, then, I have no choice but not to ...which usually comes around January/February or so ....

 

[Guest]

Yeah I see your points about guy B, with less successful business.

Mostly, a great point you made, researching competitors/knowing market...wasnt done like needed. He's good with what he does, has done it for long time, much older than me. He even hired someone to do what you said in his favor. But...rushed in somewhat, like I said, had to leave job sooner than expected, this hurt the a lot, no time to build business or clientel.

The reason it will not take off with any speed though, is his competitors, all have in house what he does, ie. the equipment he usually works on, demo, construction stuff, have in-house shops. So in an odd way, his market, is also his competition in itself, see? If he can get over that hump, it stands a decent chance of being profitable business IMO.

Yeah I didnt mean to double emphasize many profitable businesses under 70k. I live very near the central city though, and there is quite a bit that one can do, or find, browse cities (outside yours sometimes) on craigslist for businesses for sale, a lot of daily listings. DAILY, new opportunities, people are changing hands, market,industry, money, owner financing, lease options, tons that one person can do with a little confidence.

REALLY like the dog poo scoopers idea, how easy? thats great, dirtier than landscaping, they want it gone, and how great if they just come home one day and its done, poo-b-gone, like magic, lol, I might try this this winter REALLY. I always try to stick to short term engagements, lose a little background stability, but a lot more freedom and usually more money in contract high-hour positions. More learned, seen, etc. More fun for me :

Personal training has always interested me too. I enjoy working one on one with people, and especially if I can help them understand something or improve themselves. Love to be fit also, comes and goes after High school, lol, and it just seems like a laid back, play type job, hardest part managing time and maybe accomodating to some older/snooty guests, for what, an hour, 2? Who cares.

I always said, you dont ship quality cargo on a broken vessel, and God doesn't put good people in bad bodies.

"penny wise and pound foolish.."

Thats great, I had to repeat to self, yeah, guy A bought all his equipment brand spanking new (know new car = chump deal earlier, actually agree, this different though) He bought best shit on market to use for his customers I mean right? Best way to do it...give them something to smile about, enjoy, whatever...

You know...the other thing about such things that I was thinking as you wrote that......Private matters?...it's who you are...relationships, knowledge, talent which dictate a lot more...(ie: Not like corporate, and resume, etc...)

Couldnt agree more, cant say number of times I've gotten gig because of convincing people that if I dont know how to do it already, I can learn and want to know how to do it, and with them. If you can convince another person, that you have them covered, on whatever it is, they won't hardly glance at your resume. Thats my experience, not sure how it is on other side of desk for people, facing one guy with the right background but not as sharp or patient as another guy with (almost) no background.

Is what it is.....I try to watch my drinking much, much more than my smoking ....

Thats the truth there man. I never thought I could drink much, all through highschool, smoked a lot more than drank, friends liked to watch me hit the beer bong cuz i got so drunk so fast, lol. Well, one year, got in trouble, probation, kept smoking first 6 months, but last 6 months it came up, had to quit. So I used beer, figured a week or two of drinking would help me take my thoughts off. LoL, never knew I could drink so much beer. I was always drinking AND smoking, 6 beers did it before. LOL, not smoking while drinking, shit, I'll get a bug and walk the train tracks 4 miles or start grilling at 4am after 18 beers. I gotta watch it, total binge drinker. One weekend has found my place wrecked, pots broken, holes in walls, and about 70 beer cans on the porch, not counting the 30 by the sink, lol. Seriously chaotic. Thats why I prefer to visit family in another state, lol, i wont wreck their shit, just walk around new places. Seriously, no idea had a redneck vein, thats gotta be where all the 16oz Busch cans went.

 

[NPK]

Couch, I actually did a stint as a personal trainer. Didn't last too long because, unlike you, I'm more of an introvert and found all the one-on-one interaction exhausting. Also didn't care for the near-constant hustle of getting new clients: I'm fair at sales, but in that business, clients have much more of a tendency to come and go. Turnover was too high. I wanted something in which folks'd stick around more. Motivation wanes, times get lean, the personal trainer's the first thing to get shown the door, y'know? It was a tough business.

Still, I'm not sorry I did it. I learned some really important shit about myself (and built a sweet home gym, to boot). Hell, I've also had a side business cleaning houses. All to the good, man. Very interesting shit, really. Fascinating to know what you'll do, for how much, and for whom. Those gigs gave me an appreciation for the better, more lucrative possibilities out there and certainly acted as stepping stones toward the improved position I'm in today.

Craigslist keeps coming up: absolutely, it provides an incalulable value free of charge. If you're curious about the traffic your ads generate, a useful thing you can do is put an invisible tracker somewhere in the text. These trackers give very specific information about the people/organizations looking at your ad. I highly recommend them--I use 'em in every ad I place. In fact, I wouldn't even consider running an ad without a tracker.

 

[Guest]

Hey NPK, thanks a lot for the scoop on personal trainers, makes total sense. Its something I'd like to try at some point, get around to in one of my spare down time stints.

I was wondering NPK, if you took any nutrition classes at community college of some sort, or just heavy background with it that you represented well? My bro is real likely to do it also. Takes classes, excellent grades, was in great shape a year ago, Varsity football, still maintains 6 mo out of year. He would have time to work with it, and I'd love to talk him into it. I think he would enjoy. Did you respond to personal ads, or a company with a list of some kind?

Huh, I've never heard, seen that tracker deal you speak about? If you want to share advice on a preferred one thatd be great. But if its all the same Ill find one. Thanks for sure, always good to KNOW whats going on right...know the score, seems to all apply to me.