MASSIVE OUTDOOR GROW

[Pimpslapped]

Train tracks are my friends, they offer such easy access to secluded areas. I've been doing some scouting, it's easy to find late season spots apparently. The places to hide the big bushes/trees though... that's where complications set in.

I've always known that one person can **** up train tracks... all you have to do is look at the things. But what's the point of doing it? That's like digging potholes out in the street. Sure some ****wad with a pickaxe could puta 8" deep pothole out on main street, but why the hell would they? And now it looks like things are going to become even trickier for the a lot of us. Damn is it tempting to jump ship and find another country to call home, but I dunno... ****. I need more drugs to deal with this I think... Ahhhhh... that's the ticket.

Something to think about with irrigation/pumps/etc... Other growers have done the water transfer in stages, IE Pump the water up 10' from Vehicle/creek to tank A. Then from Tank A, up another 10' to tank B, etc.. This can be handy to keep in mind, as pumps with a high head (I think that's the term, how high it can pump water/vs speed at which it pumps) can get to be pretty expensive and bulky. It's not a matter of just pure GPH (Gallons per hour). It's like fans, some blow a lot of air but can't deal with backpressure. Haven't really shopped around for pumps myself in a long time, and that wasn't grow related.. so I may be way offbase here.

Also never underestimate the value of a bucket stuck in the ground at a low point near the grow to catch rainwater when it does come. Couple of those scattered around near the grow (or just dig a hole, auger it out, whatever and drop a liner/trash bag/etc.. into it to keep the water inside. It may not come out to much water half the time, but it could save you a lot of work in the long run. Sounds like you've got a good plan so far though, look forward to seeing how things come together for ya.

 

[Guest]

Also never underestimate the value of a bucket stuck in the ground at a low point near the grow to catch rainwater when it does come. Couple of those scattered around near the grow (or just dig a hole, auger it out, whatever and drop a liner/trash bag/etc.. into it to keep the water inside. It may not come out to much water half the time, but it could save you a lot of work in the long run. Sounds like you've got a good plan so far though, look forward to seeing how things come together for ya.

Yeah, all those Art of War quotes and stuff about knowing the enemy switched me into another gear. If I consider well, all the things they could get in the way, stop mah green from growing, i might have a better chance...

Good tip there about maybe multiple water pumps if moving enough stuff up...

Thanks plenty of course to all the people here, asking/answering questions... like recon on the enemy

speaking of such things...knowledge from those in the field...was reading some Emerson yesterday...

"...A man is the whole encylopedia of facts. The creation of a thousand forests is in one acorn, and Egypt, Greece, Rome, Gaul, Britain, America, lie folded already in the first man. Epoch after epoch, camp, kingdom, empire, republic, democracy, are merely the application of his manifold spirit...
The Sphinx must solve her own riddle. If the whole of history is in one man, it is to be explained from individual experience. There is relation between the hours of our life and the centuries of time. As the air I breathe is drawn from the great repositories of nature, as the light on my book is yielded by a star a hundred millions of miles distant, as the poise of my body depends on the equilibrium of centrifugal and centripedal forces, so the hours should be instructed by the ages and the ages explained by the hours."

Read that and couldnt help but think of thread...

 

[Guest]

edit: no more news

 

[Julian]

"...A man is the whole encylopedia of facts. The creation of a thousand forests is in one acorn, and Egypt, Greece, Rome, Gaul, Britain, America, lie folded already in the first man. Epoch after epoch, camp, kingdom, empire, republic, democracy, are merely the application of his manifold spirit...
The Sphinx must solve her own riddle. If the whole of history is in one man, it is to be explained from individual experience. There is relation between the hours of our life and the centuries of time. As the air I breathe is drawn from the great repositories of nature, as the light on my book is yielded by a star a hundred millions of miles distant, as the poise of my body depends on the equilibrium of centrifugal and centripedal forces, so the hours should be instructed by the ages and the ages explained by the hours."

Swamped today from all directions, just stopping in, but, man....that's ****in deep brother I like it ( as true as it gets........)

Yeah, railroad issue pisses me off till no end, considering something I have always utilized and dare I sat rely on to a degree, and, of course, just spend who knows how many pages on it's discussion, so.......kind of pisses me off......(That some little shit somewhere is affecting and hurting my income, etc.....)

In reality?......will it change anything?.....well, maybe yes, maybe know.......Will I be able to do all the same spots?....maybe yes, maybe no, but, in reality, It probably just comes down to I have to screen spots better in future and keep up on new security measures they will implement, etc.....Initially pissed me off much more, but, in reality?....goes right back to 101, which is "where you can, when you can, how you can"...etc....so.....Worst case scenario?....I dump my city spots, I purchase something far out (houses, rural) backing a line which looks good..., and launch from there, and change it up every yr.....(Nice stretch of tracks always good for about 250k a yr alone....)

City surveillance?

Nothing new.....from cameras all over Wal Mart parking lots to cameras being installed more and more at street intersections all over numerous cities.......one should always be aware of that to begin with......so........won't really affect what most of us are discussing to a degree.....(not like increased railroad security...)

Now, should also be noted, as above in thread and elsewhere.....tracks are always a fairly serious matter regardless (when trying to get on, in, around, plant), so.........was yesterday, will be tomorrow, so, really nothing changes from that standpoint also...........Guess just have to wait and see what kind of increased measures they plan to implement and where, etc....

Right back to Growing 101.........adaptability......etc, etc...what you can, where you can, how you can, when you can, etc........

 

[Julian]

Logistics/Crop Management

Busy, didn't get to things above, but, was just having a discussion with someone about the most effective and efficient approach when running multiple locations/spots, and, actually a very good topic and thought something I would address further.....

Okay.......

At some point, one will start to, of course, see different things, different spots, and, develop a "feel" and a schedule...

For example: Let's say last week I checked a spot and, for the most part, looked about 3 weeks...medium size....

Okay, so, 3 weeks, and, since medium, really not as much danger of tipping and splitting issues, so, that spot, may very well just be hit in 2-3 weeks depending on weather......

Last week, I might have seen a spot that looked about 2 weeks out, and, they were braced prior, so, this week, no need to see it, weather okay, so, will just schedule that one for cutting next week.

This week, another spot looks about ready (within the week), and, everything fine......mold might be issue, but, good enough to let them roll, and, again, schedule for next week.........so it starts, and on it goes.....When running multiple spots, the more you run, the more physicalloy impossible it becomes to visit each on a steady basic, so....early in veg, your letting the role....mid season you start to get a feel for which ones will be the first,k second, etc, etc....all depends what and where your running and what you see and what conditions you face.

Might have a spot that looks 2 weeks away, but, might be large and have problems, so, you might want to get by that spot if only for 5 minutes or less just to run through and make sure everything okay...no tipping, splitting, if braced already how they held, are holding, then tack on more weight (week by week, yield, what plant is putting on, etc...) Likewise with thing not ready and getting heavier, etc.....

So, essentially, you just go day by day and get a "feel" for things, and, more you do, more it's multipled, etc....same approach would be for 10 locations or 100........even at 10, wouldn't want to be visiting all weekly, nor might have the time, etc.....so, whatever needs to be done, whether just for a check, maybe a cut, or, to decide whether to cut or let em run...you try and keep all in mind and schedule around it....simple time management..(and, likewise, then estimates at cutting be how much time to do everything you have to, and, meeting those estimates....ie: okay, 15 minutes here to check all support and check how they are doing, then another 30 minutes of cutting there, then a possible cut there which could go 30 minutes or longer, then next spot should be done, but, will just cut whole and hang, so, should be a lot quicker, etc, etc.....

All about what you have, time you have, and what you have to do and how best to accomplish what you have to do in the shortest amount of time and get the hell outta there

Thought worth adding....

 

[DaDank]

Thanks...

Thanks...

Julian-
Allow me to join the multitude expressing their thanks for your sharing.
This is a great read - even for those who do not favor cheeseburgers.
While I tend happily to my one plant that has shown the proper sex & attitude to merit cloning, I wonder at the scale of your operation and have three questions:
1) How do you trust your collaborators? I keep my lips sealed to insure security as best I can. If nobody knows but me, then there is that much less risk. But I read of you working with others and I just wince while imagining that each 'co-worker' multiplies the risk. Obviously you exercise great caution in choosing your associates but still...

2) You always emphasize that grows should be secondary to a 9-to-5 gig. You yourself juggle several 'day job' businesses it seems. So, practicing what you preach, are we to assume that all of your horticultural activities take place at night? How do you find the time?

3) Your methodology seems to involve starting indoors and finishing outdoors.
Somewhere in between there has to be what I gather is a "hardening off" where the babies that have been nursed under constant artificial light get weaned before hitting the great outdoors and the natural light cycle. How do you approach this transition?

And thanks for that article about spikes being removed from Metra tracks. I guess if I'm going to adopt your kind of "working on the railroad", I'll have to be extra carefull.

Thank you again
-Teddy Roosevelt (DaDank)

 

[Julian]

Julian-
Allow me to join the multitude expressing their thanks for your sharing.

Always humbled and flattered...sincerely....Just trying to throw things out there not necessarily found everywhere.....

This is a great read - even for those who do not favor cheeseburgers.

I fail to believe such people exist ......Who doesn't love burgers (Even vegetarians have their little vegan burgers )......

While I tend happily to my one plant that has shown the proper sex & attitude to merit cloning, I wonder at the scale of your operation and have three questions:

Every season, op, not always the same...some larger, some smaller, some different styles, etc....so.....anything discussed not always the exact same deal...example: this yr I planted straight through to end everywhere....sometimes earlier one, then later others, etc, etc...variations endless...

1) How do you trust your collaborators? I keep my lips sealed to insure security as best I can. If nobody knows but me, then there is that much less risk. But I read of you working with others and I just wince while imagining that each 'co-worker' multiplies the risk. Obviously you exercise great caution in choosing your associates but still...

Some are actually more serious about security than I......(although, granted, I think I am more knowledgeable about it .....)

How do I?.....

I don't

I watch everything, I know everything, I watch the numbers......and I oversee.......

I'd like to share something that has been under discussion recently.........

An analogy?.....

Imagine any large amount of money.............(100k-500k-1KK, etc), and, imagine if you basically had to leave it with one another every day (exchange) and, the feeling always wondering if tomorrow.....they never turn up,......

There it is..........anyone can clean a couple spots out tomorrow and lay it upon a thief/thieves.....anyone, anytime, anywhere can grab on the side any number early season....keep em on the side for their own spots.......

Any number of ways an op can be scammed (and I ****in know them all ...Seen it all..........of course, I have had problems in past....partners and such discussed earlier, elsewhere........)

Personally?.....I'm a believer of "too ****in much"......

Steal? If your own load is enough that it's a problem.....you actually want more?

Alas, some people do.....train of thought was broken...had an unexpected call.....

Anyway.....you try the best you can to make the right choices...ideally, it is, sometimes it's not....such is life.........one good one makes up for 10 bad ones......

I always keep my eye on everything as much as is possible....think that helps a little also......

Anyway......

2) You always emphasize that grows should be secondary to a 9-to-5 gig. You yourself juggle several 'day job' businesses it seems. So, practicing what you preach, are we to assume that all of your horticultural activities take place at night? How do you find the time?

I do, and I do. Either early in morning, late at night, or any day of the week, ideally weekends, and, I do what I have to do...(meaning....I don;t have time to mess around....Might have to run to veg place early in AM (before 8 or something) if early in season, or, other times of yr for different things. Maybe late night (I don't sleep a lot to start with, so,.......all the time in the world....Always have women in life, but, they sleep, so Everything works out well...Any trimming, night/late night, whenever I have the time, and, large, I schedule as much as possible of a day that I need and that's 100% work for the most part...(ie: As much done as possible in that time frame.......starting to bypass hanging out and grilling also because not enough time, too much work, etc.........) Depends what and when and how needs to be done, so......you do what you can...ya know?.....

I don't really "work" per nse (I'm the boss, so, can do what and when I need to anyway and my presence not required for the most part......If really busy? Well, then I do what I have to and schedule other things for when I can......(ie: If I am swamped next 3 days, means basically am busy next 3 days and everything has to wait..(aside from late night....etc...)....So, all in how you schedule your time, and, what anyone can handle......I do extended periods with little sleep fairly often, so...to me....no big thing, and, easy to fill every hour with something to do most of the time..(recreational, business, family, etc).....gets a little tiring though.....

Example: Was heading back in from a good 12 hours working (5am-5pm, in field, etc), had my plans, things to do, wanted to do (home, rest, eat, some work, ouit for a few, in bed, then maybe some trimming and ps work) .....30 minutes away, get call from people about "emergency"...okay, so much for home....I run, I do that.....add's an hour or more on.....get back.....messages, work, emergencies....okay, so much for food, etc.....then, eventually, get to food , recreation, current girl....think next day very light, so, can do late...so, got in a good night of trimming about 2am until maybe 8am....eat something,m read news....ready to get some sleep....call...another 'emergency"...okay,so, I get up (was plannjing on sleep), quick shower, get dressed...head out........at that point, figure why even bother (sleep), so, went through day afterwards, lighter day, but heavier tomorrow so change it up, another night of trimming and get to sleep little early......

Is what it is man.....and, a lot of people bitch about harvest work, but, my replies and addressing them is always along the lines of "It's once a year......".....so....not always the same......so

Guess answer is you make time (earlier in season lot of time and work...then lightens a little after initial rounds....then can spread them out lighter plantings...etc...)

Speaking of....I can't even get through this reply without any interruptions...been working on this reply now for 2 hours...(well, window open for two hours...)

Anyway......good point and mentioned above.......(ie: people think of these numbers, and, everything up to veg/late veg not really a problem, but, ****...real work begins harvest ...another reason as earlier, why I like smaller things...(larger, dense, etc, trimming easier....).....and, why I just want to toss little stuff......Enough work trimming larger stuff let alone the small crap....

Anyway..(hopefully I can now finish this without anything happening )

3) Your methodology seems to involve starting indoors and finishing outdoors.
Somewhere in between there has to be what I gather is a "hardening off" where the babies that have been nursed under constant artificial light get weaned before hitting the great outdoors and the natural light cycle. How do you approach this transition?

I do not. Ever.

Always do, and always have: Germ as close as possible under 1k/s, feed early, etc, and, clones the same, and, put them out asap.....Earlier in season not an issue because not as intense....mid season problematic, and, the later it gets, the quicker I get them outside (My Aug go out within a week or so after they crack....) I do recommend people do it (later), because certain areas, weather can be brutal....No, I never do....sometimes have minor problems but never losses (it extremely hot, sunny), but, again, goes back to what I personally do which is: I always get them out before rains......so.....most of the time that finds cooler temps and overcast, so, I always try and use those couple overcast, cloudy, cooler days as my way of "breaking them in"....most of the time, works.....So, between all (intense from start, out asap, planted ideally within periods of rain, etc).....works fairly well for me...seems to.....

And thanks for that article about spikes being removed from Metra tracks. I guess if I'm going to adopt your kind of "working on the railroad", I'll have to be extra carefull.

Thank you again
-Teddy Roosevelt (DaDank)

Always glad to do what I can......

Yeah, I would say at this point, if your doing tracks, pay close attention to sites...what surrounds sites, and, all current news involving the line(s) your doing.....

I still have some spots (tracks) to hit....been keeping an eye on them in passing....one spot I didn't get a chance to sex (close to busted spot, but, when the large ones were grabbed, the smaller were fresh...maybe less than 6".....3" in large groups....sp .....100% positive they're still there....so, hoping for ,maybe some bud and some good stock from that one....Figure hit the seeded spots later and have to stop in couple other spots and grab those, but, later in month, so, another example above about scheduling, etc , so....maybe 2 weeks...know I have to make a night run to several spots ....

 

[Guest]

quick question about the tracks Julian...

do you actually get to a point where you drive down them?

... or just nearby, then a 'nice' walk? always loved 100yards from the railroads, just never gone far enough to find a 'good' spot...ie, small property or commercial too close...

 

[Julian]

do you actually get to a point where you drive down them?

Not in city spots, of course (and, when I say "city", we're talking in the city....) Rural depending could maybe use ATV, etc, but, again, it would be frowned upon and not be good if one was seen, so, no.....plus, as above, you want car far enough so not directly linked, but close enough so that if anything happens can still be gotten too fairly quickly and easily and not obvious......(ie: couple blocks away...not in plain view....)

... or just nearby, then a 'nice' walk? always loved 100yards from the railroads, just never gone far enough to find a 'good' spot...ie, small property or commercial too close...

You don't necessarily have to be on tracks to find spots initially.......commercial?...well, most likely if it's backing tracks, then rear is basically solid wall, no windows, no doors, etc (that's when you would want to get back and verify.....might be doors, might be windows, but, most of the time all commercial that I have seen backing tracks are basically solid wall......)....

Depends.......some spots I have done in past far/long enough stretch where it was still maybe couple miles roundtrip fro car (nice stretches....all vegetation...no crossings, fences, etc, etc.....) You don't want an easily accessible spot.......You can also as I have done "create" your own entry and exits but, make sure they are covered and not obvious, especially with the above in mind...(unauthorized presence, etc...) The problem with all of this, and, why it annoys me is the general public....Now?.....not a problem, someone sees you walking, etc, etc....in future, as story grows?.....well, then your going to have old people with nothing better to do, see someone on tracks who see's this crap in the news and call it in......(yeah, some terrorist...guy walking with couple wal mart bags .....)

 

[Julian]

Well isn't that special.....

My guy who sent me the story about the tracks just let me know 2 trails derailed tonight in Chicago on same train lines above story mentioned....

That's nice........

In any case.......

It should be noted in the past I have provided no other than private discussion, with occasional postings, and, pics never in threads, just always uploaded temporarily with certain people seeing them, and, this is the first time in several years that I have actually also accumulated any kind of pics of the individual finished product......

Se, that being said...here are some shots of the pinks above in thread.......above pics were about 2 weeks to finish....these pics were cut about 1 week, and, they will all be coming down shortly, but, funny, because here's several pics...and, good example why I don't normally take a lot of pics.... (Can't sit around shooting, shooting, shooting more and more looking for the "perfect" shot while a lot of work to be done ...

So,here's one shot ,here's another ,here's another , and,here's yet another
......Not really sure what I think of it yet, and, scent is basically a fresh lemon fuel.....smells nice....Regarding boxing...I go about 30%-50% more than box (loose), then enough compress to close it when basically dry.....(Not much moisture overall, but, due to amounts in space, enough to keep it going for a while nice and slow...)

Edit: See....pics so, I went and edited and trimmed 2 of those for better shots (what I think are better shots......more accurate, etc....... here and here

 

[buzzy]

Hey Julian, ledgendary thread you got here, it's given me some inspiration for next year

I wanted to ask (i don't think you mentioned anywhere), when you arive at a spot for harvest, after you've dried outdoors, do you just roll up and fill up bags? Because with some of the city spots I imagine it's very risky.

"What are you doing carrying all those bin bags out of that wood for?"

haha...

I'd hate to be in the car with however many lbs and get pulled...

 

[Guest]

Didnt really think you drove down tracks, just didnt know, thought I'd ask...

wow, really sucks about news of increased security and derailment...****ing crazy, tides always changing man....

I've been scoping for a sight, will probably spend the most actual time with this part, aside from school here, lol, and I always find it difficult to find a really isolated spot, with 2 hours of around here.....anyway...was also going back and reading start of thread...and...

In continuing with the above, the we hit on site selection, which, really, is what it's all about..(ie: doesn't matter who and what you are and what you can do....if you don't have the site?...well........means nothing....it's the site which creates success imo more than the grower......

and hit also many other times...importance of site, so feel motivated still to go the lengths to find this place.....wilderness...isolated...no cars for hours upon hours, if any that day....hard to find, but will spend half the next 3 months driving and camping if have to...

actually, before driving out, I like to think, just find a place, multiple places, the size of this room...that feel like people wont stumble upon for the next year, or 10, lol

hope the rails arent beefed up too much before the next 2/3 yrs, but who knows...tides change...

edit: BTW, those are some bu=eautiful buds man....so plump looking, just a farmer harvesting ahis fruit

 

[Julian]

Hey Julian, ledgendary thread you got here, it's given me some inspiration for next year

Glad something of use.....actually, far more detail than I have ever shared publicly......

Now is the time (for planning)...time?... "next season" starts in about 7 months.......Not as long/far away as it sounds....

(Next and final season of "The Wire" is in 6 months...)....

It'll be here before you know it....., and, depending on what one plans?......6-7 months is not a lot of time....

I wanted to ask (i don't think you mentioned anywhere), when you arive at a spot for harvest, after you've dried outdoors, do you just roll up and fill up bags? Because with some of the city spots I imagine it's very risky.

Actually in first couple pages....

City and anywhere populated done much differently than larger project..Larger an option to work, hang out, etc...city, as earlier..have to get in and get out, and, of course, can't be walking around depending (greater the volume)....Most of the time for city, I come in, after sundown,cut, bag, and, toss bags somewhere that it's easier and safer to retrieve them...by factories, over fences, etc, and, when able, have a partner with me and we coordinate pick ups........(ie: Most of the time, merely looks like some garbage dumped side of the road, but, we time it so no other traffic...just don't do it...etc...(sometimes might have to wait 20+ minutes for right moment to toss bags and load...all depends where the spot is and how much.....and, depending on time of commute, I do pack bags heavier than most would ever imagine ...Sometimes rural I hang, sometimes not, all depends on what's the story when cut......ie: safe, little mold, etc.....All depends on the spot, the plants, etc.....Day, mid day is always safest, night, never on weekends, and, as early as possible...all depends on the what and where....Quite often I never have anything near me if at all possible, and, when I do, it's out of my hands fairly quickly......All depends.....all depends...(one of my city spots very close to one, last time I saw that one was a quick 3am run more or less...which I normally would never do, but, had some problems very close, so, wanted to do quick hit and run, spur of the moment, etc.....All depends....

Should always be noted you want things bagged as little as possible...heat buildup is immense.......(ie: Fill a hefty bag, tie shut, even double bag, leave it for 2-3 hours , open, and reach in.........the heat generated is truly amazing...(maybe another little experiment.....next round I'll throw a meat thermometer in bag after opening.....150 degrees would not surprise me in the least......) So, always want everything bagged as short as possible...(ie: don't go, cut, bag, and leave till next day , etc, etc......)

Shouldn't bag it unless your ready to go......

(Note: Regarding transport and smell.......you can always double bag but make sure fresh clean bags and hands cleaned before double bagging or defeats the purpose....)

All depends on the what and where....everything changes everything...(even how you cut them down, etc.....I was just training someone on how to pull things down....how to cut them, how to bag them, etc....)

 

[Julian]

Didnt really think you drove down tracks, just didnt know, thought I'd ask...

Well, if rural and a property backing tracks, could always use atv, etc....

wow, really sucks about news of increased security and derailment...****ing crazy, tides always changing man....

****ing little shit (whoever did that)......I read something in another story that it was a possible beef between engineer(woman) and ex whatever.....

I'd like to make him an ex too.....(ex person...)....

I always find it difficult to find a really isolated spot, with 2 hours of around here.....

Nah, see, your falling into "the perfect" spot mentality........

Your only looking for a spot that's safe for now........and, can dictate different method (I could find hundreds of spots around any major metro where one could pull in unlimited mini's...lot of small patches spread out, even single file over long distances..., etc......Don't fall into that ...ie: looking for "perfect" spots...because, chances are.....you might never even find one.....(maybe yes, maybe no)...just looking for a spot which is safe for couple months, and, what you do there depends on that spot...........(and, how you do it all depends on resources and energy.....)

Was just talking to some one (****, call, lost train of though.....)......

Got it back.......listen......numbers?......

Numbers are not a problem....Prep?....prep is not the problem.....Maintenance?....depending on climate and method?...maintenance does not have to be a problem....

Then what is?...

The real problem hits right about now........how are you going to get it, pack it, dry it, trim it, etc, etc.....

Harvest is the problem...

start in?...pfffttt....as above (with pics ...can do 500 in a 4 x 4 space in a week......planting?....if good soil can do minimal holes, and top feed.....if ade2uate rainfall and you get them in right?......they're good to go...

The real issue with numbers is bringing them all in and finishing season safely.....(I get my bouts of paranoia where I change entire schedule on a moments notice, where I don't touch anything, where I change routes, times, places, etc, etc.....

Perfect spot is nice.........absolutely, but, for every perfect spot there are 100 that will do the job .....spot also dictates the numbers.....so.....so you find a spot you can get 5-10?......well, if it's a decent spot, you work with it...just another spot.......should always have numerous anyway....always plan for loss......if happens?...you planned for it...not a surprise, and in the budget...if not?...good, a bonus, all the better.....

and hit also many other times...importance of site, so feel motivated still to go the lengths to find this place.....wilderness...isolated...no cars for hours upon hours, if any that day....hard to find, but will spend half the next 3 months driving and camping if have to...

Eh.......your probably driving past okay spots while your looking for a good one .......

True story.....
I was out recently, making rounds, and, found after many times passing, that a spot used last year, not used this year, had sprouted a bunch of plants, fairly large, in flower........must have drove past them, within 30 feet at least couple dozen times.........

Note: Most likely some seed developing and falling while hanging......no maintenance, no holes, no nutes....were about 6 feet .....

The other angle is in car can only get an idea.....you get out of car and walk 2-300+ feet in, and, you have your spots (could also do the single file thing....just plant as you walk farther in, etc.....select a landmark for future reference, etc.....

actually, before driving out, I like to think, just find a place, multiple places, the size of this room...that feel like people wont stumble upon for the next year, or 10, lol

See....your getting ahead of yourself.....you only need something that will not be walked into for 4-5-6 months.........they can come before, they can come immediately after...

A temporary spot to use is all that you need...

hope the rails arent beefed up too much before the next 2/3 yrs, but who knows...tides change...

I hope they are not within the next 30 days My target dates are coming shortly....Railroad security exists as we speak........Line Cops exist as we speak....so.....not like they are totally open.....

edit: BTW, those are some bu=eautiful buds man....so plump looking, just a farmer harvesting ahis fruit

Thanks man......that was little early also, so...but, those have to come down immediately....next round.....wayyy to large and dense.......when digging deeper was starting to find some mold, so.......but, minimal loss so far...so....Yeah.....really waiting for a taste of that......

 

[buzzy]

Thanks a lot Julian, we've learned a lot from this thread.

Speaking of planning, we've been scouting for and picking spots, using google earth too (haha) and I've got a lot of spots marked...

Deciding on strains, we're gonna go with an earlier run of Lowryder 2, i mean early, like as soon after the last frost as possible. I was wondering if that'd work? I think it should do... then LR2 throughout the season, staggered. Then mid and lates ones with Shaman and Ata Tundra...

We're growing in the UK so, different climate...

Cheers mate

 

[Julian]

Thanks a lot Julian, we've learned a lot from this thread.

Glad to be of service......My pleasure.

Speaking of planning, we've been scouting for and picking spots, using google earth too (haha) and I've got a lot of spots marked...

Yeah, aerial invaluable for what is is and represents...Can get a much better idea of "what lies beyond"....sometimes something that looks good doesn't, and vs. versa.......

Deciding on strains, we're gonna go with an earlier run of Lowryder 2, i mean early, like as soon after the last frost as possible. I was wondering if that'd work? I think it should do... then LR2 throughout the season, staggered. Then mid and lates ones with Shaman and Ata Tundra...

We're growing in the UK so, different climate...

Not well versed on UK conditions, so......I usually look for night temps when determining if it's ready to go.....(ie: from might be gone, but, could still stay in low 40's, etc, etc...), so,....you shoot for a target date but always want to keep it somewhat loose, otherwise you run the risk of getting overgrown if dates are off........sometimes you lose a little time, sometimes you gain a little, but, you want as few problems as possible.....I like planting multiple rounds/throughout season though....lightens the workload and, as said...I like smaller better (6-8 feet or under I prefer....), and, mini's I love, so......Haven't run AF's before, so......plan to though...plan to ...been getting closer...just looking for the right spot/time, place, etc.....Sure it will present itself in time

(Relating to planning...one can be planning 10 different things simultaneously......execute any one or more at any given time, and, with other things planned, can then undertake things at random easier with planning behind it.....)

 

[Guest]

Nah, see, your falling into "the perfect" spot mentality........

lol, i think i know what you mean...thats ok, puts smile on my face, b/c seen many spots that waved off because not far enough from city, or because wasnt a half mile or 2 miles from road....

looking for 'a' spot...for 5 or 10, maybe more, spread over football size area perhaps......i think i got 3 or so that i could use...would actually be easier to manage water needs also...but more frequent visits...twice or more a month, at 6 or more spots....just thinking outloud here

yeah alright, if i can hide 5 or so 8 foot plants a couple hundred yards off road, ill manage...

though i have seen a dozen or so urban spots for minis, a good 3 or 4 reliable i think, worth maybe 20-30 each, how you get 100 out of one urban is beyond me....guess what you can, how you can, where you can...

soil voume question....

...how many holes will a cubic yard fill? i know size variates...but...generally speaking...how much is a cubic yard? a 3x3x3 space? I could easily stretch that 2 holes if so...anyway, found a good deal on local compost...

thanks again for all knowledge shared, knowing you do so of your own will....

i got some more emerson to share, just gotta find where i dropped book and the spot i read other night...lots of books sitting around bookmarked and face down open pages...

 

[Pimpslapped]

On the topic of bagging for transport, especially in urban settings. Any thoughts on the 'odor shield' type bags I've seen around? Not something I'd likely want to put the bud in directly, but could be a good outer bag for a double bagging. No idea how well it'd work, if it would help in the least. But could be worth a shot.

Hey Julian, does this look kinda like what you were seeing with that pink haired girl? Trance is a shot from budluver, the coloration looked familiar.

I really need to get out and do some more hiking in some more secluded areas. I've found lots of potential late/mini spots but not much that I'd feel like trusting a full season run to. Thinking if I can find a 'near perfect' spot I might see about tossing up a small compost heap on site, should simplify further site prep. So far haven't found anywhere that seems feasible, at least for that particular project so it'll keep nagging at me. Ahh well, more motivation to keep looking.

Came across a post here that reminded me, gotta make sure I don't get too ambitious this coming season. It'd be a shame to start my first outdoor run by growing more than I can harvest/trim. Best I can reasonably hope for would be one extra pair of hands along at times, but even that is not set in stone due to various circumstances. It could be WAY too easy to bite off more than I can chew, which would be a shame.

 

[Horus]

Wow . . . how did you get into all this? Sorry if that's too personal a question, or if it's already been asked (I've read like 1/4 of this thread). I mean did you just start growing random bagseed as a teen, or were you a personal grower for a while before realizing you could bulk up? Was it gradual or sudden? And how'd you get into pot in general, when did you first toke and what to you think about mary jane?

 

[pakalolo420]

LOL

Harvest and drying is the deal. The rest is relatively trifling.

Perfect spots exist, but they are still generally temporary and they will tend to make the smaller grower let Plan B slide. Better 10 good spots than a couple of perfect ones.

what you can, where you can, how you can, when you can

These are first principles. Everything flows from them.