MASSIVE OUTDOOR GROW

[Julian]

Well, then, I'd like to buy you a cheeseburger, someday when you have the time...

Well thanks man......but, I only eat em off the grill.....but, your welcome to bring some cheese (not "processed cheese food " please!!! ) Appreciated nonetheless......

Or.........we could always use a couple extra birthday cakes

Great thread, guy- it's rare that we step back and look at things objectively.

Incredibly.......

Thanks...glad of interest and possible use.....If not...well, what's the point?

And I'll cover a burger for anybody who quotes Sun Tzu- most valuable thing I've ever read, and worth a re-read anytime.

Well, I Ching/Book of Changes another on my desk.....and, I think all miss the point in this day and age....(ie: Not to read once...but to study.....)

Confucius stated:"Give me a few more years, so that I will have studied the Book of Changes for fifty years, and I may thereby eliminate major errors."

These are books which should be read every day of ones entire life......I agree......I try as much as I can...All applicable to daily life, and almost any situation...constantly amazes me....

I give out copies of both to quite a few people, quite often.....

 

[mark6699331]

Well i must admend that when i did use organics we would dig the hole and put them in the fall b4 to allow them to compost and local animals to dig up and smell and then they leave it alone. Or you can do it in spring. Two weeks b4 planting and dig hole and guano. come back its almost always dug up. but they ususally won't come back again unless you're right next to their home or something.

Oh and yeah i moved to humboldt from michigan. Thought growing would be better out here. Yeah right- no rain- dirt rock hard "non-soil" etc. Michigan/wisconsin(upper) and minnesota, mississipi. Some early girl or early pearl. Ummm Ummm. Get that barbaque fired up! Plus the fall colors make for nice harvest background. Pink purple, orange, yellow- can't beat it. Did almost get hit by some rutting dear and almost stepped on a porcupine harvesting once. It looked as surprsised to see me as me it.

And yes i always brought a camera or fishing pole (don't forget the licence) as a cover. We'd look at it as well we like to camp anyways might as well grow for something to do while backpacking. LOL

We'd go last week of may to first second week oct depending on rain in sept/oct and the cold. Early girl, g-13 did very well. and the old Purple Haze i miss so much came in almost black and strongest i've ever smoked.

So i've read through about half this so far- nice read- i've got a master's in english- so i enjoy the read- done some lecturuing (i've earned the right to mispell BTW) myself in my day.


Me?During fall?...always someones birthday, and, always grilling (herein lies one of the private jokes for "Julian/Jules" to those who have ever seen Pulp Fiction, and, when they change their clothes for the drive with Mr. Wolf... I've been called "Jules" after changing clothes

That's funny cause the "missing" capt. used to go by Mr. Wolf (now i know why) LOL

Thanks for the info Julian- Hope your harvest is good this year.

Oh and BTW- name me a club you think was busted that did everything legit and i'll show you info on what they were really doing. I'm pretty connected in that scene out here and everytime i think i found one that was "innocent" so to speak- my buddy who's really up on it- sends me the "full" email on why they were "really busted" that most people don't know about. Seriously

take care-

m

 

[Julian]

Well i must admend that when i did use organics we would dig the hole and put them in the fall b4 to allow them to compost and local animals to dig up and smell and then they leave it alone. Or you can do it in spring. Two weeks b4 planting and dig hole and guano. come back its almost always dug up. but they ususally won't come back again unless you're right next to their home or something.

ABSOlutely......either earlier here, or in sister thread....always couple weeks before, give animals a chance to root around in it (you know they're going to, no getting around it....) One they've checked it out, usually good to go (lot of people don't give it the lead time and have problems....always lead time......always.....

Oh and yeah i moved to humboldt from michigan. Thought growing would be better out here. Yeah right- no rain- dirt rock hard "non-soil" etc. Michigan/wisconsin(upper) and minnesota, mississipi. Some early girl or early pearl. Ummm Ummm. Get that barbaque fired up! Plus the fall colors make for nice harvest background. Pink purple, orange, yellow- can't beat it. Did almost get hit by some rutting dear and almost stepped on a porcupine harvesting once. It looked as surprsised to see me as me it.

I've got animal stories up the ying yang (most of the time just busy working on ground and look up and am face to face with something

Yeah, but you guys have the favorable weather.....Lots of places (mentioned, etc), heavy mold issues, especially when deep forests....(People alawys quote metro weather.....dense forest?...humidity much worse, temps much worse....) I assume one of those Cath 22's.....more/nicer sun, but, less water, and, as you said, soil issues (although I would assume NorCal some prettty fertile soil (forest) yes? ...

And yes i always brought a camera or fishing pole (don't forget the licence) as a cover. We'd look at it as well we like to camp anyways might as well grow for something to do while backpacking. LOL

Yeah, my guys are heavy hunters, fishermen, etc...into all that big time....I like the role more of visiting/family/casual though ...

We'd go last week of may to first second week oct depending on rain in sept/oct and the cold. Early girl, g-13 did very well. and the old Purple Haze i miss so much came in almost black and strongest i've ever smoked.

So i've read through about half this so far- nice read- i've got a master's in english- so i enjoy the read- done some lecturuing (i've earned the right to mispell BTW) myself in my day.

Well, if you've read through half.....I'm already impressed....and, quite honored Hope of interest and some use ...

(I am well aware of how I structure my writing......so (I write as I would speak.......I feel it conveys what I wish, how I wish, more accurately than writing in the "appropriate" manner and "format" would ....)

That's funny cause the "missing" capt. used to go by Mr. Wolf (now i know why) LOL

Thanks for the info Julian- Hope your harvest is good this year.

My pleasure....glad of interest......well....so far, so good.....a lot much earlier than anticipated....always nice, and, getting nicer each week (current/this weeks cut is very impressive I must say....everything coming along well, and, as pointed out elsewhere, everything should be spread out fairly evenly, so, pretty much expect 10-15 weeks of cutting (instead of 3 ) already on 5th round, and, expect to go to Halloween, so, what is that?....13 rounds.....only problem is, some of the nicest things, I have no idea what they are/were ...so...a shame....(was trying to sift through list and packages yesterday to see actual list of things run, and, what some might be ...(one partner was supposed to map all strains/spots, but, problems is, as above...one spot might start out one thing, but , through year, have more added to different spots....ie: 200 more, might add 10-20 to 10-20 spots, and so on, and so on, so...some spots might be 20 different things, sizes....we try and figure out by size what was put where and when.......

It's going well though.......thanks, and, of course, the same to you.......and, everyone for that matter.....such is the life of a farmer..... Some good seasons, some bad...you change approach....what you run...methods...new ideas...new spots...some work, some don't...etc...I've had my share of disappointments this year...several/many, along different lines, so......a relief to start moving into the good parts .....Ran things that disappointed me...lost some...lost a significant spot...(largest city I have used for probably 5 years without a problem).....etc...What can ya do...such is life..live and learn....only thing that matters is "target" is hit and your safe ...

Oh and BTW-name me a club you think was busted that did everything legit and i'll show you info on what they were really doing. I'm pretty connected in that scene out here and everytime i think i found one that was "innocent" so to speak- my buddy who's really up on it- sends me the "full" email on why they were "really busted" that most people don't know about. Seriously

Well, you know, I am sure I know much less than most (all) who are out there in "in it" regarding day to day....my exposure if just what I see, and, of course, first to realize what I see is probably only half of the actual picture....but, I have sen in passing more and more, and, also, seen a lot of supposed "legit" med growers, supposedly in compliance having problems....so....you know..I get a glimpse every now and then....actually angers me quite a bit (principle, etc)....Would probably piss me off ten times more if I was out there and straight/legit...I'm far from encylopedic knowledge and understanding of day to day Cali med scene, so....

(Clone production really interested me....I'm fairly talented in volume production when I want to be... ....I found that aspect of interest also.. Hell, maybe a financial advisor to all these people who keep losing all their toys and cash )

 

[PHB]

Oh and BTW- name me a club you think was busted that did everything legit and i'll show you info on what they were really doing. I'm pretty connected in that scene out here and everytime i think i found one that was "innocent" so to speak- my buddy who's really up on it- sends me the "full" email on why they were "really busted" that most people don't know about. Seriously

Ok I'll bite. Assuming the criteria is that a club was raided by the DEA (rather than closed) which is what it sounded like Julian was concerned about (I hope I'm not misinterpreting)... why was the Los Angeles Patients and Caregivers Group really raided in July? I am genuinely curious because I was under the impression that they were one of the better examples in SoCal of a dispensary doing things the right way.

Thanks,
PHB

 

[Julian]

All I know is if I jump over to med forum and check threads from this year...haven't like, a lot been taken down?...I mean, like a lot?....

From what I have seen now they are actually going after landlords threatening seizure for renting space, etc, shit like that....

I mean, **** man......I feel safer where I am now, doing what I am now.....ie: Least I know "the score".....the "lay of the land"...ya know?

Least where I am now....we all play by "the rules"...."Rules to this here game", ya know? For both sides ...I couldn't function with "the rules" changing daily ........

I sleep much better knowing exactly who and what the enemy is

 

[Pimpslapped]

I sleep much better knowing exactly who and what the enemy is

Quoted for truth there. Though to some degree the same concerns would hold true with any move. Just that the situation out there is far more 'alien' an environment to anyone from outside. At least that's how I view it.

Be safe out there folks, and remember...

O divine art of subtlety and secrecy! Through you
we learn to be invisible, through you inaudible;
and hence we can hold the enemy's fate in our hands.

 

[Julian]

Ahhhhhhhh .....

He who is skilled in defense hides in the most secret recesses of the earth, making it impossible for the enemy to estimate his whereabouts. This being so, the places that I shall hold are precisely those that the enemy cannot attack.

Hence that general is skillful in attack whose opponent does not know what to defend; and he is skillful in defense whose opponent does not know what to attack

Or, regarding above topic:
Whoever is first in the field and awaits the coming of the enemy, will be fresh for the fight; whoever is second in the field and has to hasten to battle will arrive exhausted

 

[Pimpslapped]

Or, regarding above topic:
Whoever is first in the field and awaits the coming of the enemy, will be fresh for the fight; whoever is second in the field and has to hasten to battle will arrive exhausted

Just been rereading that recently, hadn't picked it up in some time.

To be near the goal while the enemy is still far from it, to wait at ease while the enemy is toiling and struggling, to be well-fed while the enemy is famished:--this is the art of husbanding one's strength.

Seems to apply here as well, regarding harvest times, early flowering, late crops, etc...

Thinking about things, I could have probably gotten away with trying to put a few beans out and trying to get a late run in... But all I've got is bagseed of unknown qualities/sex, too much hassle. Ahh well. I think my time is going to be better spent getting scouting done, readying for some site prep and all that fun stuff. Lot of scouting, research, hiking, watching and general work to be done still. Plus I'm working on finding a mom or two, early days funding doesn't allow extravagance in production really.

You know Julian, you are insane. The mind boggles at how you manage to accomplish all that you do, workaholic doesn't quite do it justice. I have a feeling the game's gonna be more addictive than I think, but we'll see... should be an interesting experiment.

 

[Julian]

Just been rereading that recently, hadn't picked it up in some time.

Sometimes a reminder to more often ....

(I had such several pages back.....lost track for a while .....)

To be near the goal while the enemy is still far from it, to wait at ease while the enemy is toiling and struggling, to be well-fed while the enemy is famished:--this is the art of husbanding one's strength.

Seems to apply here as well, regarding harvest times, early flowering, late crops, etc...

Every and any .......A reason why millions still study them thousands of years later ...(Quite remarkable when you think about it.....)

Thinking about things, I could have probably gotten away with trying to put a few beans out and trying to get a late run in...

I'm sure ......at least

But all I've got is bagseed of unknown qualities/sex, too much hassle. Ahh well. I think my time is going to be better spent getting scouting done, readying for some site prep and all that fun stuff. Lot of scouting, research, hiking, watching and general work to be done still. Plus I'm working on finding a mom or two, early days funding doesn't allow extravagance in production really.

Yeah...planning and prep not underrated......research (of any and all related aspects).....accumulation....even the physical...(usually stop smoking end of winter, start eating better, work out more...etc...) I'm much less strict about selection....due to situation (no 24/7/365 veg...bulk fems, wide selection, etc..numbers...)

You know Julian, you are insane.

And just who have you been talking to?...Hmmmm?

The mind boggles at how you manage to accomplish all that you do, workaholic doesn't quite do it justice.

If you only knew.......



That's coming to an end I think......I think I've just about reached "enough".....as discussed......"when to say when"......for everything...

3 business's...4 households...trading....growing.....

"Careful what you wish for" .....You just might get it

Oh how we wave off such statements..........If we only knew the true meaning they hold....

Yeah......sick obsessed **** is more like it.....

Surely my exhaustion shows I could rant about to what end?...for what purpose?....for what.......utter madness?........head shot?......heart attack before 40?.....life in prison?......(shaking head)......

(or is it all just because harvest season finds me smoking enormous amounts of scissor hash ......)

Maybe the latter. Forget I said anything

I have a feeling the game's gonna be more addictive than I think, but we'll see... should be an interesting experiment.

Addiction(s) has it's/their downside(s)......

Just watch the "building up of tolerance"...
(more...more....more......10 in....50 out.....why not 50 out....100 in?....why not 2 locations?...why not 5 locations?....how about 500 out?....1000 out?...why not 5000 out, 1000 in?...why not 20 locations in?....how about 5 outs with 5,000?...how about 50 in's?.....



Anyone, anytime, anywhere is capable of anything they like........

The only thing that can stop you, is you.....

 

[Pimpslapped]

Sometimes a reminder to more often ....

(I had such several pages back.....lost track for a while .....)

Yeah, it was one of those earlier reminders that got me skimming through it again. I find for myself it seems best if I take a break from reading it fairly regularly, it lets me come in with a bit more of a fresh perspective. Well, seems to work for me.

Yeah...planning and prep not underrated......research (of any and all related aspects).....accumulation....even the physical...(usually stop smoking end of winter, start eating better, work out more...etc...) I'm much less strict about selection....due to situation (no 24/7/365 veg...bulk fems, wide selection, etc..numbers...)

Funnily enough I've just recently completely quit smoking (cigs) though my smoking herb hasn't really slacked off. But I'm not necessarily a heavy smoker most of the time, comes and goes. Also working on getting back into shape. Just find it funny that you mentioned that, though my reasons have little if anything to do with this side of things.

And just who have you been talking to?...Hmmmm?

If you only knew.......



That's coming to an end I think......I think I've just about reached "enough".....as discussed......"when to say when"......for everything...

Yeah......sick obsessed **** is more like it.....

I almost mentioned something the other night when you talked about having had the discussion with partners about wrapping up the season and bowing out. You've mentioned it several times, so could be that maybe it is getting on towards that time. Hell, if nothing else take the first of the year off this coming spring. Can always come back in with late season runs if you really feel the need, but could do you good to step back and relax, reassess your position.

But what do I know? Just noticed you brought the point up several times. Means you've been thinking about it. Sounds like you've got yourself set up well enough that taking an extended break, at the very least, could keep you from burning out.


I decided I'd take more time in getting myself set up, get things figured out... Greater risks in some ways, vastly different playing field.... confidence in abilities is not absolute, so making sure I take my time to cover all the bases.

 

[pico]

Addiction is right. Ever notice some of us junkies are always talking about quitting. Hell Julian talks about quitting all the time. It isn't even about the money after a certain point. Well, it is and it isn't.

Hell I don't know what I am talking about. I am just a junkie trying to quit. I am breaking my grow down next month I swear. I am going to move and rent a small place so I don't even have room to grow. However I don't think that will stop me for long. I have too much knowledge and equipment to stay away for too long. God damn, I need my fix.

 

[Julian]

Yeah, it was one of those earlier reminders that got me skimming through it again. I find for myself it seems best if I take a break from reading it fairly regularly, it lets me come in with a bit more of a fresh perspective. Well, seems to work for me.

Understood. Completely. Same for me for many things...especially regarding enormous amounts of information being absorbed with the goal of putting into practice and actually adopting them (?) into your day to day behavior (the hard part )

Funnily enough I've just recently completely quit smoking (cigs) though my smoking herb hasn't really slacked off. But I'm not necessarily a heavy smoker most of the time, comes and goes. Also working on getting back into shape. Just find it funny that you mentioned that, though my reasons have little if anything to do with this side of things.

I'm a perpetual stopping smoker Getting better..last time I actually, for the first time, really, really enjoyed being a "non smoker"...(always whining about it before...last time loved it........) Green for me is/has always been fairly simple....(Business first....can't blow one and take a call or see someone...they'd know and most of the time that would be unacceptable...I've been pretty light leading up to now/lately/recently....very light....now a little heavier again

I almost mentioned something the other night when you talked about having had the discussion with partners about wrapping up the season and bowing out. You've mentioned it several times, so could be that maybe it is getting on towards that time. Hell, if nothing else take the first of the year off this coming spring. Can always come back in with late season runs if you really feel the need, but could do you good to step back and relax, reassess your position.

Yeah....this season I "wasn't feeling it"...didn't get started until late.....(April 1-15th started full force....)..usually on it in January......actually though, all turned out halfway decent..(and I made up for it by planting all season anyway ).....goes back to seed....cuts lead time to 2-3 weeks....

Yeah......taking early........but the later stuff looks sooOOOooooo nice :biglaqugh:

Eh......maybe flip side is next year (if there is a next year) I will just change it out again, and do from July 1st onward...........Lot of angles.....maybe start earlier, do less......lot of angles.......every year is not the same either...(depends on previous...)..Sometimes larger numbers...sometimes small(well...notsmall , but, sometimes more, and sometimes less than more

But what do I know? Just noticed you brought the point up several times. Means you've been thinking about it. Sounds like you've got yourself set up well enough that taking an extended break, at the very least, could keep you from burning out.

Yeah.....I have last couple years.......

I decided I'd take more time in getting myself set up, get things figured out... Greater risks in some ways, vastly different playing field.... confidence in abilities is not absolute, so making sure I take my time to cover all the bases.

Well, and, as above, and, as discussed.....I think of significance is understanding of the season, methods, angles.....time (out).......You can plan something today, prepare, accumulate, etc, but, if a greater understanding of the season and process as a whole, would make it easier to change as you go along at any time if you like.....ie: Can plan early....can do later.....can plan later, can do early...can do both, etc.......

As above......thread...points.......it's just not as cut and dry as most initially believe......100 (more) different ways to approach...methods......etc.....

 

[Julian]

Addiction is right. Ever notice some of us junkies are always talking about quitting. Hell Julian talks about quitting all the time. It isn't even about the money after a certain point. Well, it is and it isn't.

LE used to frequent OG much more than most believe, and, I remember one time lecturing one on it... When you don't have any money, it's about the money.....for some...about the money....for some, about PS, and, for others......, well......it's all about "the game"...(I'm the same about trading...)....it's not about money.........it's about winning........it's about the project...the satisfaction of success....a job well done.....money is simply a by-product of the above.....something that comes along with it.......Pro's don't jam (music) "for the money".....professional spots don't do it "for the money".....sure......it's nice...it's nice to be rewarded while doing something you enjoy, even love......what could be better? ....

I personally have had many times feeling as though "just not fun" anymore....and, that being the case...why bother......I'm truly blessed in the sense that I love everything I do....and, consider myself the luckiest guy on earth for that reason.....but....I'm starting to less......so......Life's a little too short to not have everything you want...(not talking money...talking life......)

I threw partners a rather large load recently........I just didn't want it..."Do what you want with it....I don't give a ****...I don't want it..."...(too much leaf, too much smaller stuff...quality so, so..........did the same with a lot of the purple....)

You know....sometimes hard to discuss such things because I know many in different situations....so....I try not to for the most part....(ie: I give away what some would kill to have....could help, change their life, etc....) So...I should say I am aware of that...and, never mean to sound.....ummm.......I dunno...whatever....sure point is there....I'm sure a lot of us are in situations similar...I'm the same way Last thing I want to hear is a guy with a Gulfstream V bitching about fuel costs ...

However I don't think that will stop me for long. I have too much knowledge and equipment to stay away for too long.

And there it is my brother ....

That's how it works ....

Growing long term.............what's a batch or two, or a season or two (or even more cumulative) "in the whole scheme of things".....

A blink of an eye .....nothing......

I say it all the time.......5 years?.......****......you wake up one day and it's passed ....

Mentioned many times, and many places before....

Those who are just "not made for it"?........eh, yr or two...maybe 3 and they're done... Forever:....

Those who "take to it"?.......I've never known one who even completely stopped forever ...

Powerful knowledge and talent.........the ability (and means) to be able to create any size batch, anytime, anywhere....simply by deciding to


It's just too ****in miraculous

How can a man (anyone) who can produce gold at will one day decide not to ever again...

Edit: Then again......."break(s)" are underrated.........all that can come from such is rest.....peace of mind....dramatically enhanced security ...and, of course.....time to relax and cultivate (pun intended ) ideas for bigger and better things

 

[Julian]

Back to growing...... (although I don't think a single post in thread not directly related...least in my mind and world....)

Time of seasons, lot of discussions about drying, curing, methods, etc...

Drying?......that's the easy part.....

Curing?.....Well, the more discussions I have, and, the more I see, I've grown to begin to understand it's an art form I think.....truly...

We can try and explain...we can try and instruct, but, in the end, comes down to what is in front of you...what do you see....what do you feel...what do you smell....what do you think......

(Although it does seem that most seem to have problem with "snap dry"....) It means snap........if it doesn't snap, it's not dry...., and, as such, will moisten back up and have to be aired out again till it does, etc.....

I could say my all time favorite if light compress packed in cardboard boxes for extended periods of time...(1 month more or less...)...most superior I have ever had actually...

I think also many can have problems due to not looking over things careful enough (mold issues), and, many don't understand how rapid growth can be, how it can spread...etc......

I also think that few underestimate the amount of heat that is generated during packing and transport, especially for a greater length....it's really amazing actually....

Due to all of the above, and more.......any method can potentially be fine...but you have to keep an eye on it....(and, again...if it's not "dry" yet anyway....can be a problem....(actually, imo, I think it all stems from and relates to people's patience.....which is usually the thing I state as most important to newer growers....ie: learning patience....exercise of patience...etc.....especially at harvest.....(spend all that time, effort, money, risk..........to blow it ? ....)

(I also think superior is hung with all vegetation until snap......another reason why I like to stick to and focus on the bigger, solid stuff.....much simpler and quicker by hand.....can't run, of course, dry through machines....)

On a different note........there is just something about Woodpeckers that makes me laugh every time I see or hear one

Edit: And, on yet another note........after reviewing 15 day forecasts for a couple areas.......hope the next several weeks are kind to everyone......summers nothing (veg) hot, wet....etc, who cares (as long as not too much rain, as some have had....) Now's the time when the weather really is important........

Home stretch.........best of luck and wishes to all..

 

[mark6699331]

Hey there Jules- no the norcal soil sucks- all hard and rocky.

You ever have any problems with plants getting so big the branches break themselves off? Is that the strain or is staking necesery. I don't like to use anything outside no cages etc so it all blends in.

Also about quitting- what's better than the fall smells, feeling like you're a rock star in you're own movie. the call of the wild. All that its soo real. Could never give it up personally.

Oh and not to get off topic but i'll find out about that L.A. club and get back to you all. Shit my friends at the Hayward club (were 2 clubs) saw the dea bust one club a block away that was selling to non-215's - i think the owner had a Gold throne and like 5 ferrari's and way too many plants. So my friend witnessed people still trying to enter the club DURING THE BUST and the DEA was telling people to go to the "good" club a block up the road and giving them directions! Pretty crazy.

Also check out the Oaksterdamn News website or newsletter. Its for real. California makes adamn look tiny. There's over 800 clubs now. Its on for real. It still surprises even me. Check out the list of clubs in their newsletter.

Back to outdoor. So do you chop it all down off the stock when harvest or let it hang to dry? Do you dry it in the field or bring it home? We got so much fog out here we have to chop it off the stems.

Man no outie for me this year and i really miss it.

Oh and BTW- i heard that reading the i ching can be dangerous if you have any ill intention (conscious or sub-consciuos) as it will only magnify them. What's your op?

m

 

[Julian]

Hey there Jules- no the norcal soil sucks- all hard and rocky.

GTF outta here.......all those parks and forests?........(I always assume forest soil is good soil ....)

You ever have any problems with plants getting so big the branches break themselves off? Is that the strain or is staking necesery. I don't like to use anything outside no cages etc so it all blends in.

Absolutely, all the time....I don't think strain dependent as much as weight (which can be with anything....)I have less problems though when topped etc...lot more with the large ones....All depends on how they're broken..if too bad(and early..) off they come (drives partners insane, but, you know.....if early, will just get worse...strain...etc...all depends if there is a easy fix...If can be fixed, I do...otherwise, you know...numbers issue....one branch not a big deal out of.....many ....

Also about quitting- what's better than the fall smells, feeling like you're a rock star in you're own movie. the call of the wild. All that its soo real. Could never give it up personally.

Well, I got that music thing goin on, so, half a rock star anyway .(quarter? )....

Well........I think you never do....you take a break until it creeps right back up on ya ....can't resist....(Pico's quote made me laugh...I'll quote it below )....Yeah.....been through it...(stopped, started, etc )...........get past it a while, and, those "urges" creep up....the "itch" comes back , so..........Lot of hard work, lot of headaches, lot of stress....so.....fairly easy (for me) to walk........(just hard to stay away )

Oh and not to get off topic but i'll find out about that L.A. club and get back to you all. Shit my friends at the Hayward club (were 2 clubs) saw the dea bust one club a block away that was selling to non-215's - i think the owner had a Gold throne and like 5 ferrari's and way too many plants.

Riddle: What's worth absolutely nothing?.......

5 seized Ferrari's and a Gold throne....(a throne WAF joke )

(That little jab in no way prevents me from feeling very bad for the guy.......I've always felt bad form to state anything but.....could be anyone else tomorrow....karma...)

(note for people who have, or come into money.......why buy such cars when you can just rent them for a day when you want one .....(and save on maintenance, insurance, etc....) Granted, slightly used stuff is much better prices, etc....so......New is definitely for chumps (hope I just didn't offend anyone, but, it's true......when talking Lambo's and Ferrari's..."used" is usually 15-25k miles anyway, so.......waste of money to buy, especially new...(unless getting a good used one for bottom dollar (from someone who paid up the ying yang for it .......) Had my eye on a one owner S600 (12), 30k miles or so for around 30 something k.....owner paid like.......150k for it new? .....I get a kick out of that stuff....

So my friend witnessed people still trying to enter the club DURING THE BUST and the DEA was telling people to go to the "good" club a block up the road and giving them directions! Pretty crazy.

Hmmmm......mental note......"good clubs"

Actually, that is about what I have heard and been under the impression of (as above....one gets busted, block away fine.....) But, have also heard things pretty questionable....think heard one where they (DEA) got valid scripts and then busted club for selling to bogus patients (them) when they had valid scripts...see, that kinda shit turns me off (and pisses me off.....)

Also check out the Oaksterdamn News website or newsletter. Its for real. California makes adamn look tiny. There's over 800 clubs now. Its on for real. It still surprises even me. Check out the list of clubs in their newsletter.

Yeah...I had no idea that many.....thought like was about 400-500......I'd personally just like to hit a bunch to see the business...(my interest)....set up, furnishings....inventory, etc.....think it would be pretty interesting (to me at least....) Only basic knowledge and surprised all the time...(one would find it interesting how many people I come across that have no idea even one in all state, let alone hundreds and general overview........surprising to me....)

Back to outdoor. So do you chop it all down off the stock when harvest or let it hang to dry? Do you dry it in the field or bring it home? We got so much fog out here we have to chop it off the stems.

All depends......plant, size, density,weather, current shape.....ie: if plant okay, if weather okay, just hang whole...if larger, and okay, cut into larger pieces.....if some mold, but, good weather, hang the rest, if some mold and bad weather, always take it back...If time?....ut as much big stuff as possible (hung or back) piece by piece and bag the rest for bubble.....(I don't mess with small stuff....goes right into bubble piles....Bubble piles are always checked and watched by the way, and, sometimes my guy (hash) goes through them and that is a "bonus" for him......(and, believe me, a lot of nice stuff goes in those piles ......for the most part, I toss the moldy stuff....used to save separately, and, use for bubble later, but, changes the method/procedure of making it, slows it down...(have to siphon and strain the top, etc, so...would rather just be able to run clean runs....note: I always do multiple, multiple, multiple runs...not one at a time....ie: mix, settle, strain material, mix settle, strain material, etc...instead of changing all each run...depends what I feel , but, for the most part.....pull from each about baseballs.......you know, another one of those things....have to see and feel....have an idea what's being run.....Nah...now I just toss the mold...(and, pretty specific about cutting it...)

(I used to makie all the bubble when everything over and done and cold enough out, lot of ice, snow, etc, but, my one guy displayed such a gift ....well, now it's his job and I help and instruct .....turned him onto some new ideas and been looking for a meat grinder for him ....

All depends...I prefer out hang for all reasons...(saves size, saves smell, superior product, slower dry, etc.....) When possible, I do, when not, I don't...prefer it though....

Man no outie for me this year and i really miss it.

Sorry to hear....sure ya do (I understand ).......eh, a single season out of a lifetime....can work on planning next (only thing better than doing a run is planning the next one ....sometimes....various things make waiting necessary.....Hell, still several things I've had in the works for a while now, but, just a matter of time They'll get done........so, doesn't matter when...Security aspect?...well, sometimes better to sit and wait until "time is right"...opportunity presents itself..(always does ..)

Oh and BTW- i heard that reading the i ching can be dangerous if you have any ill intention (conscious or sub-consciuos) as it will only magnify them. What's your op?

m

Interesting........Can't say I've ever heard it...I would assume any book or material on strategy...people...life......with such accuracy and power...in the wrong hands would only serve they're intentions further ...I'd think.....

Never heard that...very interesting indeed ....

 

[mark6699331]

Here's the inside scoop on the L.A. club question from the mouth of the guy who even Ed looks up to!!



LAP&CG was and was NOT a 'good guy' coop - remember TWO LAWS

a.) don't piss off the locals

b.) Don't become FAMOUS

-00- LAP&CG BROKE RULE #2 BAD - it was run by DON DUNCAN = donny boy is HEAD FOUNDER BOARD MANAGER - head JIG of ASA --
(flash back -- blblblblblbl)

Asa was fromed by Don Duncan to PROTECT his HUGE MMJ CLUB Holding =
who is don duncan?
owns several MANY clubs in Berkley & then expanded to LA ...

who is ASA? =

ASA is 3 people =
A.) DON DUNCAN (mondo club owner see above)
B.) Steph Shore
C.) Rebeica Saltsman
++++++++++
D.) people to mail out envlopes to people who write in to send them money
--- web person to do the same with their PAYPAL account!
= "D" is totally just OFFICE SUPPORT STAFF ..
Min wage - or vollenters ..
----- THAT's ALL FOLKS ----

SEE: http://www.safeaccessnow.org/article.php?list=type&type=26

.....

-- Oh I gave you this history of Don Duncan ... now the History of Steph and Rebeca =

(flash back noise blblblblblblblblbl) ...

Recall the World Trade Org PROTEST? in washington state?
= who LEAD that?

-- would that be Steph shore and Rebecia Salstsman?
-- YES SIRY! = dat's right! -- dat's where donny dunc-myster found them and then after they were done there - he gave them jobs forming up ASA and that is when it got REALLY ROLLING ...

So you got a POT CLUB owner - masvive = sevveral in Berkley and LA - like 100K a day shops = 3 or 4 of them ... BILLED as a "GOOD GUY" (he's so charming) and 2 BABES who are on the gov watch lists - I asume since the world trade org_ confrance protest - ...

and SUDDENLY Bush pulls the local PROCUTUTOR out of the LA / SO CAL area - and puts in another (YUP 'they' got one of the 8 Gonzoles new guys - all that stink is about)

--- so your a hard hitting NEW guy in town - and you read reports that the HEAD ACTIVEST ORG is ASA - rallying up support for pot clubs and such - AND you find out that THREE skum balls (2 libral troblmakers and a gay dope dealer) are ring leaders - -
What do you do ..

POP QUIZ? = right 100% A++

you cut off its head = so that's why my bucko's that LAP&CG got the CHOP - and they went after the berkly accounts too - LA / DEA both did it in LA and Berkley too ( the north part of the state didn't get a Gonzils / Bush apointy - so they didn't help out)

--- any more questions ???

SO OKAY - now that you got that much info

/////////////// and you have it too now .. (their will be a TEST so study up = chuckle!)



That's it in his tongue in cheek venaculer!
Any more questions??

BTW- ALl the dem. candidates and three rebuplicans have vowed if elected to never bust ANY club again. Hmm. The new cali gold rush... its so nice without any paranoia folks... and you get more $$ a pound 4200 in la and 3200 elsewhere.

m

 

[dj digigrow]

when do you think other MMJ states start getting flooded with clubs like Cali is??
4200 a LB. crazy...

 

[InjectTruth]

Jeez, you would think that since Prohibition = Inflated Prices, then Lax Laws = Lower Prices, but apparently thats not the case. In Jersey, growing is like 20year MM sentence, in Cali you guys have storefronts. I have heard of eigths going for $100 in CA clubs. Ive never heard of that here in Jersey.

****in' A.

 

[mark6699331]

Yes- everyone out here says that we shouldn't put the legal legislature on the 2008 ballot (which it will be) because it will wreck growers prices. Duh- its been just the opposite-can never meet the demand for herb.

Just ask Julian- every grow too much outdoor weed? LOL

mark