MASSIVE OUTDOOR GROW

[Julian]

when do you think other MMJ states start getting flooded with clubs like Cali is??

When everyone grows a pair......

I'm sure not popular, but, the bottom line is not protests, is not letters, is not endless calls...., and, not even, made painfully obvious yet again and again public sentiment and wishes....

It's money and votes. The money and votes determine who holds a position and who doesn't, everyone will always see immediate results..

But that would require: A. Everyone going into their pockets, and, B. Everyone actually going out of their way to do something.

Has always been the case, and always will.

I say it all the time...I'll start with the first 500-1,000 guaranteed votes and,.......hmmm.....let's start with $500,000 disbursed as instructed.......(phrased that way on purpose...)

You talk votes(actual....), you talk money....Things just seem to get done

Seen every day currently and throughout history.....

(And I think DEA problems with legal are not going to go away until the same environment reaches outside Cali...

Another one of those topics........politics is down the hall 3 doors

The 42 doesn't sound too bad if it's the hardest of the hardcore, and 100% clean.....but, then, if an unlimited amount?....well, changes the story..(jmo.....) I thought more the problem was the one for 42 gets flipped for twelve ****in 8........(100 an eigth) and you go through more than 1 a day.....That's not talking about expenses and a nice living....that's talking near wealth....(assuming pocket 2k+/- a day, 700-750k yr, etc....)

****, If I could be safe and pocket 250 (make up difference I need/want/desire from trading )......I'm game....done deal.....what I like, enjoy, area of knowledge .....Done deal...

 

[PHB]

Here's the inside scoop on the L.A. club question from the mouth of the guy who even Ed looks up to!!...

Interesting mark, thanks for the info.

 

[Pimpslapped]

Very interesting info on the cali clubs. Always good to hear another side of the story.

On the subject of harvests and all, what are the general thoughts around here on trimming? Julian likes to do most of the drying with the foliage intact, yes? Are automated trimmers used, scissors? I'm curious as to when it really begons to become cost effective to invest in one of the various trimming machines out there (If ever) and how well they perform under actual use.

Figure somebody around here'll be able to provide the info.

 

[Julian]

On the subject of harvests and all, what are the general thoughts around here on trimming? Julian likes to do most of the drying with the foliage intact, yes? Are automated trimmers used, scissors? I'm curious as to when it really begons to become cost effective to invest in one of the various trimming machines out there (If ever) and how well they perform under actual use.

Well, for me all depends on the what and when.....Meaning, some hung out, some brought in, popcorn waved aside, etc......

If dried with all vegetation (dried), then of course trimming , more attention is required, but for big stuff it's simpler due to being able to target all at base..(ie: some clip each individually, more efficient to just go in a little deeper and clip it all at the base...(1 cut instead of 5 cuts)....

Sometimes one (me, anyone) can also use electric hand trimmers in field, take fans off......trimming machines, all depends on what your taking in and what it's worth to you...(ie: if your pulling in 20k, might not be a big deal to you to spend 1-1500 on something to make your life easier...sure , you might have to go over for a second, fine clip, but, your still saving endless hours.....

All another reason I like to stick to big stuff......much easier, quicker...I can do over 1 per hour easy watching a movie or sitting on the phone (headset), so....as you see, depends also on what your trimming....

All veg on dried definitely better quality, always has been, but, most find it easier to trim all wet, of course with machines necessary to (can't run dry on machines, of course....) Think all depends on personal preference and volume.....what you determine to be most efficient and hopefully not sacrificing quality.....

(I do not, btw, subscribe to the "damaging/knocking off" trich's theories......it's resin........which is a tar.......you can't "knock off" tar ....You can smear it.....you can burst/smear it.....but "knock it off"? .....Can't knock off "resin".....

Think all personal preference...I like to do, when possible, the biggest, most solid stuff hung with all veg by hang (mine or others), everything else if possible by machine, and smallest stuff tossed for bubble, and, gone through later to pull out anything that is worth something.....(much more labor intensive than it sounds , but, overview is overview...)

But, yeah...lot of other things one can do to help...(trim fans with hand/electric trimmers prior to bringing them down.....clippers if you have less....(if experienced and talented, can do one in each hand, do whole plants in just couple minutes each, so...again, depending on hat one has, who one is (you, others, etc),.......

Goal is just best quality and highest efficiency I think.......

Edit: And, as earlier and elsewhere, all comes into play also the aspect of why you want a variation of things (finishing times)........ie: You don't want to have to bring it all down at once....the more spread out it is, the more you work at a comfortable, constant pace.....In my case, I dated first round, etc.....early August, should go to end October, so, a good example...spread out 90 days....hell of a difference between having a 1-2 week window to bring it all down and in, etc......the more you vary (strains, finishing times) easier it is, and, as above, less potential problems (if doing too many of a single strain, clones from single strain, etc...)...

Nothing worst than being "backed up".....too much, too quick...mistakes......creates stress......best to spread everything out as much as possible....better to have a slow, steady work pace........makes it more "enjoyable" also ...

For me, so far...(knock on wood), everything nice and smooth.....things clipped and dried (or dried and clipped) and bagged before next round cut.....things hung then ready to clip.......etc....so far, been very smooth....(think I am going to run into 1-2-3 bottlenecks shortly , but...all in all, been very smooth and comfortable so far.....(The Maroc's and PP's(purple) and couple other things came in earlier....which I have seen a lot of people coming in earlier this season, so...didn't quite expect that early, but, really was a pleasant surprise and helped out.....) Same with the PP (power), looking like earlier than expected,(my understanding Mid Oct...should be coming down over the next 1-3 weeks instead...) which, again, will lighten the overall work load...I know from previous, Sour Bubbles (my last round/stock) about Oct 5-12...have a lot of other mixed things.....more coming down this week and some hanging and waiting as we speak, so.....all in all, very nice, comfortable, constant pace...Makes it all a lot easier....Some city plots have Oct 31st dates on them.....won't even go back till them (might be done sooner, but, can't risk a visit at this point, best to just wait it out...etc)....

All about what you want, what you run, what you like, what is most efficient, and what is easiest while trying to balance quality.......

 

[Fast_Pine]

I'm curious as to when it really begons to become cost effective to invest in one of the various trimming machines out there (If ever) and how well they perform under actual use.

Figure somebody around here'll be able to provide the info.

Hello PS..
Trimpro is the way to go...Ive used mine twice now, and am very pleased with the machine..doesent really hurt the quAlity at all..With a partner, efficiency is topnotch!..

A also have an aardvark, and can say that machine is a ****in joke....

Wouldnt use trimmers on crops harboring less than 5-10 Lbs though,,,At that point a nice meticulous hand trimm would be better, and may get you more money for yer harvest...
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Hows it goin Julian...

Do you bring on any extra help(trimm crew) when harvesting...Is trimm done mainly in field, or at safe house...

U ever get those Trimpros for this year?.....

 

[Julian]

Hello PS..
Trimpro is the way to go...Ive used mine twice now, and am very pleased with the machine..doesent really hurt the quAlity at all..With a partner, efficiency is topnotch!..

A also have an aardvark, and can say that machine is a ****in joke....

Wouldnt use trimmers on crops harboring less than 5-10 Lbs though,,,At that point a nice meticulous hand trimm would be better, and may get you more money for yer harvest...

Yeah, I was going to reference couple thread on machines..(couple posts missing of course .....)

Hows it goin Julian...

Hey, Hey, Hey my friend! Was going to ask you the same?..(missed ya yesterday, will get ya shortly )

Do you bring on any extra help(trimm crew) when harvesting...Is trimm done mainly in field, or at safe house...

U ever get those Trimpros for this year?.....

I didn't do the ones we were talking about (should have bought 4 ...)

Well, as above....all depends......some comes back, some gets hung....depends on weather also...some gets hit before cut with either electric or hand trimmers...(Edward Scissorhands style )...One partner has several people, another has several (wives, family members, etc)...I have up to 4 extra (people I'd trust the lives of my family with).....but, try to rely on them only when needed, and, when coming in slow and steady,much much easier....I personally stick to biggest nicest stuff, makes it quicker wet or dry....Huge stuff, as said, I can do more than 1 an hour myself by hand while "relaxing" (or, whenever free time, or, when the insomia hits )....so.....haven't really had to break into the reserves yet...probably in about 3 weeks or so it;'s going to start to get busy/overwhelming ...But, you know I'm sure ....I like the big stuff...very quick and easy...Lot of different ways though....ie: sometimes we will go over the hung stuff(ie: after the hang) with trimmers (electric/hand) before bagging, etc...really touch and go moment to moment based on what's in front of me.....(or not.....sometimes I don't go at all, so, just try to give best instructions I can.....and hope they were followed.....I can only be in so many places at one time ...)

But, so far, so good......slow and steady, hanging is good so far...really no problems...but, really going to start to get swamped shortly (which I am annoyed with because have many other matters to attend to currently...so.....time is not something loads of right now.......my weekend was just killed first thing this morning, so.......I feel a little better when I am able to see what's what.....as far as what should be cut, what should be hung, what should be taken, what should be left, what's next week, etc.......other eyes on the scene not quite as good as mine....so......)

Note:I think many can target their cuts/trims much better....the hung stuff, if we have time, we can just go to the base, and, eliminate all other material also (clip at base, no stems, fans, only buds with their secondaries get bagged, which is what I prefer, and, can actually be pretty simple and quick if one is well versed....(maybe 3-4 minutes per plant , per person, so, 3 people working, 3 plants every 3-4 minutes....very quick, effective, and, make a lot of difference eliminating all the crap from the bags.....) Eliminates a lot of work later also...but.... things do not always get done the way I would like them to....(and, gives everyone more work in the end..(heavy sigh.......) You know....when working at peak efficiency (as you know ) one can accomplish quite a bit in a full day

 

[Guest]

Julian

thx

 

[Pimpslapped]

Julian

Damn man, that looks heavy. Let me give you a hand...

 

[Julian]

Julian

thx

Looks like all is going well...

Glad to hear it....glad to hear it ....

 

[mark6699331]

Nice pic- that's the star of your own counrty movie feeling sunset john wayne rock star i luv life thingy i miss so much. THANK YOU!

And Julian of course you're right. We got conservative repubs out here to favor mmj by showing them the numbers on the taxation =$$$$$$$$$$$

they said "that's all i need to know"- almost exact quote.

money and numbers- sad but true-

Now the rest of you'all states get your ass in gear and legalize.

Julian -good luck as the season for harvest is near- magicial time-
best luck!

mark

ps- soil everything sucks out here weather's horrible no girls bad pizza cold- stay where your at and change the laws there (LOL GDW)

 

[Julian]

Now the rest of you'all states get your ass in gear and legalize.

They gotta "flex" the power man....(people, of the people.....truly flex ....)

Julian -good luck as the season for harvest is near- magicial time-
best luck!

Thanks.........it is....indeed ....Truly................definitely Been for a while........life is good..........(heavy sigh...)

soil everything sucks out here weather's horrible no girls bad pizza cold- stay where your at and change the laws there (LOL GDW)

I don't know about any of that aside from the pizza .... I'd love to tomorrow, but, need a little bit more warm and fuzzy......(myself is one thing....but, my family another.....)

I would....but, no one yet will stand up and take the votes and cash... ....

Yet.........

 

[mark6699331]

Seriously nobody move here its so horrible- you'd be in misery. No pot tickets or jail. But i understand the familiy thing-its not just about you. Seriously- its so blown up out here its not even funny. Cops telling me about cups held back int he seventies. One cop told my bro to stop smoking cigerattes as it was bad for him and that he should smoke pot. TRUE DAT!!!

Stand up for your rights y'all- $$$ and feet on the ground and we will all be legal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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[pakalolo420]

Whew- took a while to catch up with this one, glad to see it still rockin along.

OT- J, try some different cheeses on your burgers... stuff from Europe, local artisinal cheeses etc. There's a whole world of cheese out there and many of them rock on a good ol American hamburger!

I sure wish I would've known this stuff when I was cash cropping. I was doing so much the dumb way then, but even at that I still grew mountains of bud. If i'd only known then what I do know (thanks to J and others... internet)

I'm just a piddling PS grower anymore, but I can't help thinking about what I might pull off now given all I've learned here and other places. I hope this thread inspires others (who knows how many read this but never post and still derive benefit from it)

I'm doing the hang for all my plants this year- the ones with no mold at least- I was going to do half and half and compare, but screw it, I'm sold on the idea. I really like the idea of coming out of the woods without the monster stink and bulk of cut an hour ago cargo, and I believe the potential for quality improvement is real too.

Thanks again Julian for this thread, it's actually a very special gift to anyone who can see the possibilities...

 

[Julian]

Whew- took a while to catch up with this one, glad to see it still rockin along.

Hey my friend....Hope all is well.... Just walked in from some work myself ......

OT- J, try some different cheeses on your burgers... stuff from Europe, local artisinal cheeses etc. There's a whole world of cheese out there and many of them rock on a good ol American hamburger!

No,No,No,No.........see, that's the beauty of it... Just basic burgers man......(plain also,double cheese but meat is done with a spicier steak rub....) Yeah man...stock burger man....some reason, my thing ya know?....(I bought a bunch of nice filets yesterday for people, which I like...but, still man..just burgers......maybe "simple"....ya know?.......(I notice lately, the simple things are my greatest joy......(Know the whole psychological analysis behind all of thar )

I sure wish I would've known this stuff when I was cash cropping. I was doing so much the dumb way then, but even at that I still grew mountains of bud. If i'd only known then what I do know (thanks to J and others... internet)

Well thank you my friend...very nice of you to say, but, you know how that is (ie: **** man, I wish I knew a month ago what I know today, ya know? and on and on it goes.....)

I'm just a piddling PS grower anymore, but I can't help thinking about what I might pull off now given all I've learned here and other places. I hope this thread inspires others (who knows how many read this but never post and still derive benefit from it)

Read?..........

I thought it was just a couple people having a discussion ....

Hopefully something of use for someone in one area or another.....about something....at some point ...

I'm doing the hang for all my plants this year- the ones with no mold at least- I was going to do half and half and compare, but screw it, I'm sold on the idea. I really like the idea of coming out of the woods without the monster stink and bulk of cut an hour ago cargo, and I believe the potential for quality improvement is real too.

You know......I have been starting to, didn't really for the earlier stuff.....and, was just thinking today about trying to get a before/after hang pics.....(I was doing some nice, near macros at some point earlier, but, for some reason, lately, can't take em (wanted to do couple pics of last couple rounds finished product also......can't get in close as earlier ones...(newer camera, hot, so, no manual...)...but, yeah...was just thinking today, maybe next round pics before and after hang, and, somehow try to fit in an indoor of same (although lately more and more is out, so.....next round might now have any in, but, forget everything else, I'd like to do it just for myself....

Yeah...you will definitely see what I am talking about....No other way my friend....no other way......Now...I can tell you this too (fresh in my mind because lecturing today on it ...).....it makes the wait a hell of a lot easier , and, personally?...I really like that ...I really do...know quality issue, and, all other beneficial, but, go about my business, all week, etc......and, boom, come back and the work is 50% already done for me...I like that ...(And then trim just right to get only buds, ready for final clip, no fans, stem, etc, if your quick and accurate ...I like it...I really do ....

I've been trying to stress the finer points.....trying to responsible and want anyone newer to understand all aspects, etc......but.....you?....I'm sure you'll do them perfect .....

(Extra quality boost if you can leave them after the hang to dry with veg still on, and then clip ...ie: Cut, hang, following week (whatever), clip right off, no stems, no fans.....take back, lay out accordingly..(for this reason, cut off/down keeping in mind pieces to hang, etc)........take back, hang more (up to another 5 days....) till dry (snap trim it down, bag up....12 days, ready to go...like clockwork ........

Now, I have the feeling, as your seasoned , you will see an immediate difference the first time you hang and come back to pack (compared to indoor dry...)

Yeah, I always try and recommend people new do their popcorn to get a feel and see difference and test, etc, then go from there......

Yeah....was just thinking today about trying to get couple good pics on it .....(maybe those pics being of something exceptional for added enjoyment...several things I'm fairly happy with right now ...fairly impressive....(huge, rock solid, shocking pink...hopefully someone knows what it is because I want to run 1,000 of that next run....)

You'll also be able to tell from "the feel" when your holding, trimming them....(sticker...much.....imo...)

Key as above is the spot (shadiest, circulation, current conditions, weather and what's being cut......lot of people are not thorough as they should be when cutting regardless....(checking through everything...)....bagged alone could be potential problem, contaminate all, so......I want it all out when it's cut...(little OCD like that....like the mold Rainmain )

(which would be ****in hilarious if not close to truth)

Yeah man...you'll never do a different way ever again ...Keep as much out of sun though.....

Now, the other aspect of the hang is of course, it's not dead the minute it's cut, continues to live, and, one reason discussed as potential for greater resin was since remaining in conditions (outside), still "finishes".....is "finishing".....more time to compared to in....(ie: whole plant, outside, live, etc)........7 days and you are still no where near dry.......so...

Yeah, I am very pleased so far this year with the hang....(haven't seen it for a year ......) Working well.....

Thanks again Julian for this thread, it's actually a very special gift to anyone who can see the possibilities...

Flattered and humbled as always.....

At your service..

 

[1tytersx]

If you smoke 4 packs a day.. or just one cigarette a month.. I dare you.. .mmm triple dog dare you to show up here.. and just "try" and roll brazilian jiu jitsu.. for just one real class with white and blue belts.

here's a school in your area!!
http://www.renzogracie.com/html/rzacademy.aspx

Just for fun.. you know.. you wouldn't have to bet or anything.
If I had money on it though.. I'd bet you either quit smoking right there and then.. or walk out with your head down never to return.

no punching ,, no kicking.. just good old fashion choking and armbars!

na but seriously BJJ is a lot of fun.. and its a true test of endurance, strength and stamina.. the best part is everyone either smokes pot or is a cop! The cops know what's up.. but because (just like a cop relative) your friends from class.. you get to talk shop back and forth. Then choke the shit out of em.
Figured that would be right up your alley julian

edit: the reason why i like it is bjj can be a very cerebral.. thinking sport. It's like kinetic chess and you just wouldn't understand till ya show up.

bjj is the shit!

 

[RED145]

Inspiring to say the least and a pleasure to read!! I dont know how this one slipped my view,this place is gettin bigger and bigger.Julian

 

[Julian]

Very kind of you to say and glad of interest......

Some different notes regarding the above is I do love and absolutely recommend the 2lb zip locks....(larger than "traditional" 1 lb'ers......really quite nice, and, of course (had pics before) the new larger ones about 2' x 2' come in pretty handy.....(I obviously don't cure in jars....except for limited ps...I only have about 200 jars on hand ...) So, really like those bags......very much, been using em for a while...(larger since they came out, not too long ago......) When "dry", can basically throw everything in, do light compress, toss aside, get maybe 2-3 days without having to open..then open, fluff/air, and, leave and they are good to go in about 10-12 days...For everything solid even lighter compress.....(I do just pull out and air in one piece if needs be also....don't really break it up unless it seems like it needs to be.....)

Pretty pleased so far...latest comparison is take a half shot of premium, throw a large orange peel in glass, and smell while diving past a roadkill, and, the last is the "baby shit"....Can't really explain the "baby shit" smell to anyone who doesn't know....but, much better than it sounds

 

[rhizome]

I know that very smell...

Nice.

 

[Julian]

You know "baby shit"?..... I thought I was the only one who used that phrase (have been about 10-15 years.........only 2 words....."baby shit", and, people know (that know me )

Yeah......you open the bags, and, get a waft of extremely strong, sickly pungent...(almost stings your nostrils....average person would pull back), and, then, after the initial waft....starts to display the more subtle tones...(floral, berry.....retaining a hint of the "baby shit" after the initial "waft" ....

Yeah, I think average person would open, gag, and turn away ......but, if they remained a second longer.....

Yeah....love the baby shit

(dead skunk wrapped in a diaper maybe? Even me.....I know what it is(in bag, green, etc..)....if I was walking down street and smelled it would be like "Holy shit, W T F is that????"

 

[rhizome]

Umm- freshly dead skunk in a slightly aged diaper, smoked lightly over a burning Michelin?

Maybe w/ garlic.

And if I was walking down the street and smelled it, my question would be "W(here ) T F is that? ", not what...