Living organic soil from start through recycling CONTINUED...

[Mate Dave]

Rols makes sense to me but this is a Recycled living soil, Not Organic is it.. But hey ho and all that.

The benefits.. Other than being correct?

Juvenile would be not accepting that your wrong.. Not getting evidence to back up your claims..

Essentially having not an argument..

 

[Weird]

the soil environment is recycled and organic and that is the context of this thread, external environmental conditions are simply that.

You want to prove artificial light generates toxins in plants for smokers, rock out with your cock out son, seems like that's your whole game anyway

I don't see you raining on the LED guys parade so my guess is your trying to justify your waste of bandwidth here and save your ego.

Nice try.

 

[Buddyy]

Matt Dave or anybody who thinks they know,

How does one determine whether a plant is fading due to being 'prematurely short of nutrient' or due to senescence just by looking at a photo? Getting soil tested after/before every crop is not practical.

 

[Lapides]

The broscience experiment I've been conducting now for 3 years is going great.

I have pictures as proof. Will be sure to snap a few for you all tonight.

These are the nicest, happiest plants I think I've ever seen. I say it all the time, I've been growing connoisseur-grade pot for 20 years and NOTHING comes close to this in terms of quality of product, ease of production, and overall cost effectiveness.

I'm not going to try and hide it, I often times feel like a GOD growing this way.

 

[Weird]

Matt Dave or anybody who thinks they know,

How does one determine whether a plant is fading due to being 'prematurely short of nutrient' or due to senescence just by looking at a photo? Getting soil tested after/before every crop is not practical.

or does it matter if we replicate natural conditions and cues to accomplish the goal of growing in LOS/ROLS?

And does not the previous crop become a barometer for what the soil needs for the subsequent crop?

Putting the effort in to do the work gives enough information for success.

If the naysayers took the time to notice, the totality of this method is replicated in parts by the horticulture industry, not the other way around.

 

[TheyCallMeJJay]

I don't think I quite understand the difference between LOS and what I assume is RealLOS and a mix of regular meals in a pot of soil.

It's like there's imposters or something

 

[Weird]

rols = recycled organic living soil and los = living organic soil but they describe the same process tbh

basically establish and maintain soil ecosystem for subsequent plantings using sustainable methods

 

[xmobotx]

if, say after a plant fades; you then proceed to transplant a seedling in to that same pot w/o any further additions & grow another plant through veg & on to finish into it's own senescence ~that demonstrates that the first plant definitely faded due to senescence

not only do i have the reports of other growers who have performed this experiment, i feel confident that others still active on this particular forum can provide similar evidence. add to that of course that i have performed this experiment among others quantifying my stance. i know for a fact that what is being represented here by weird, myself & now lapides *others if i missed you ~sorry* {anecdotal though it may be} is absolutely true.

IF i ever copy/paste ANYTHING, it will be in quotes or in a quote box. i have 1 single account here & i always have. what i type, i type in my own words. were i to provide a citation {as i have in quotes or a quote box} that may be copy/pasted in order to make clear that it is someone else's words not my own

bullshit is bullshit & enough bullshit is enough ~when you get excluded from this dialogue due to your hard-headed insistence on blowing your own horn amidst your own copy/pastes {the psychological projection is strong w/ this one} it will be your own doing & your own decision making which brought you to that point

knowingly repeating an incorrect and inefficient analysis is flawed logic

 

[TheyCallMeJJay]

rols = recycled organic living soil and los = living organic soil but they describe the same process tbh

basically establish and maintain soil ecosystem for subsequent plantings using sustainable methods

Ok, that makes sense. Thanks. I've always assumed everyone recycle soil in organics.

I guess sustainability refers to staying away from mined products? For instance, sea bird guano would be considered an acceptable form within that discipline.

 

[milkyjoe]

Matt Dave or anybody who thinks they know,

How does one determine whether a plant is fading due to being 'prematurely short of nutrient' or due to senescence just by looking at a photo? Getting soil tested after/before every crop is not practical.

The presence of the hormone ethylene indicates senescense. Fading without an increase in that hormone is lack of minerals

 

[trichrider]

" Fruit ripening is a case of general senescence

The same sequence of events involved in fruit ripening, take place in leaf senescence too. The same ethylene signal, respiration rise, and degradation of complex organics into simpler ones are shared processes. When we consider that a fruit is a carpel, a carpel is a modified leaf, then it may come as no surprise that the leaf senescence process is the same process used for fruit ripening.

The hypothesis you tested in lab was that auxin produced at low concentration by a blade and/or cytokinins coming up from the roots maintain the integrity (similar to fruit hardness) of the leaf. Its color is green and the abscission zone (where the petiole attaches to the stem) is composed of cells glued firmly together with pectins. But when the days get short (nights get long!) and the nights are much colder than the days, the plant initiates senescence. Ethylene production stimulates respiration and the gene expression for enzymes. These enzymes degrade chlorophyll and the Magnesium and Nitrogen and Phosphorus are loaded into the phloem and put into the trunk of the trees for winter. Cheap pigments (hydrocarbons mostly) such as anthocyanin and carotenoids are left in the leaf. So people flock to New England to view the beautiful change of color in our trees in mid-October.

It is also true that leaf senescence in the autumn is repeated in the leaf petiole to lead to leaf abscission. This too is just another example of the senescence protocol. However, it is magnified in a layer of cells at the base of the petiole. These cells are signalled by ethylene, their respiration rises, they produce enzymes including pectinase, the pectinase unglues the cells in the abscission zone, and the leaf falls from the tree. This zone of specially-responding cells is called the abscission zone. "

http://plantphys.info/plant_physiology/ethylene.shtml

cold long nights will initiate senescence/(ethylene production).

 

[Lapides]

As promised, some pics from my broscience experiment. Call it whatever the fuck you want, it was grown in materials that came from the earth and fed only with things that also came from the earth and stuff that is/was once alive.
The materials have been reused over and over for 2 and a half years. Only water. This round, by hand. Don't forget the motherfuckin worms.

I like calling it LOS.

44 days in -

Lime Kush

Legend OG Kush

Malawi x (NL5xHaze)

Ldawg

Gorilla Glue #4

It's not perfect, but I think the experiment is going well. That Malawi yields insane for a mainly sativa plant.

 

[TheyCallMeJJay]

Nice pics Lapides. Perfection is subjective. I've never had the "perfect" grow. Probably never will. I wouldn't even know what would constitute a "perfect" grow.

 

[Avinash.miles]

Nice pics Lapides. Perfection is subjective. I've never had the "perfect" grow. Probably never will. I wouldn't even know what would constitute a "perfect" grow.

i suppose 1g per watt would come near perfect, assuming quality is up there

 

[Lapides]

i suppose 1g per watt would come near perfect, assuming quality is up there

The malawi does 1.1+g/w with the old school single ended bulbs. Maybe I'm closer than I think.

 

[bucketswithsoil]

lapides,looking good brother....like i say...build soil,not reservoirs

 

[Weird]

Ok, that makes sense. Thanks. I've always assumed everyone recycle soil in organics.

I guess sustainability refers to staying away from mined products? For instance, sea bird guano would be considered an acceptable form within that discipline.

I don't see mining minerals as sustainable or healthy for the ecosystems that the mining occurs in.

There are many mineral offerings that are made from sustainable sources.

I personally have no problem buying things that are a product of sustainable agriculture because it simply supports the industry and furthers the cause. We need incorporate sustainability into the economy make it a standard.

Sea minerals seem to be a great option, and there are potentially others options for large scale farms located by coastlines.

We should be supporting remediation and sustainability in one action.

 

[VortexPower420]

Nature provides all that is needed at you finger tips if you look.

I personally am OK with using some minded minerals but only if sustainablely harvested. One of my favorites is carbonatite. It has to travel from Canada which is a bummer but I only use it to build a soil and a sprinkling on my worm bin.


I do use some non sustainablely harvest minerals like gypsum but again only at the build.

Seaminerals are very underrated imho. Plus you get the energy and microbes that might not be present in terrestrial soils.

A perfect grow to me would be about a g per watt with out any hickups and only spending minimal time working on them and maximum time just being with them. Then having someone else trim...

 

[Weird]

Exodus Cheese

Lisa Marie (Thanks DLB) the closest to a highland affie I smell wise I have seen in 20 years

The dr loves me, how do I know? because he gave me Shire 2.0

Corey Haim Stardawg

 

[Weird]

no chitosan no spinosad no silica no chems no minerals, did use one dose of fulvic acid from fulpower wish i had not tbh gave me a leaf wrinkle

added back 1/4 of amendments only no minerals did add a lil bit of gypsum out of habit

2 Gavitas set to 850 10' foot print