It does.
If it keeps me out of threads like this, I'll be sure to try sunlight first!
Enjoy the measuring contest.
Damn.
Good luck with all the bickering.
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It does.
If it keeps me out of threads like this, I'll be sure to try sunlight first!
Enjoy the measuring contest.
Damn.
Good luck with all the bickering.
greyfader
Well-known member
let's see your plants!
by the way, the method is recirculating soilless and i've been using it for 15 years. with 13 years of recirculating hydro before that.
i'm also known as delta9nxs and this is a good thread for you to see my work.
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this thread is intended to show the "state of the art" ppk plumbing. since i started on this journey more than seven years ago the basic operating principles have remained the same but we have all gone through many iterations of plumbing. most of these, i now realize, were derived from our...
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take a good, hard look at the hundreds of photos of my plants in this thread. unlike you i have documented my work and have pics to prove it. let's see yours!
Bro i cant, honestly im done with it. And im genuinely glad you can run outdoor. Im sorry we had our own bickerfest.
I wish you the best, i do not want your advice. Im sorry I even replied. I truly wish you the best and will continue to monitor my tissue analysis. And fwiw, i am not commercial. This is 6 benches i run that are my own. Best of luck to you.
Sorry to have gotten you worked up. I will try my best to emulate your manners and mentorship. Everyone needs to learn from you. Take care.
Also, if you can show me a lab that tissue tests wet flower id love a link to that.
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greyfader
Well-known member
so, here's the deal. you are now officially trolling this thread. and if you don't stop and let the people here proceed with their discussions without your trolling i will do my best to bring admin in here and straighten it out.
it seems that every few months we get a troll like you and we have to deal with them the hard way. we have had several banned from the site for less than what you are doing.
please just leave the thread and let those who want to pursue this do it in peace. you are not contributing to anything and present a constant obstacle to everyone else participating in this discussion.
this is a private site with forums and rules that are designed to allow folks to pursue topics without troll interference.
you have been warned.
mm4n
Well-known member
And you lack respect from this community.
I’m sorry to have to tell you this, as I’m nobody, but you're currently really useless for this forum.
Ca++
Well-known member
Jesus Sandra. You asked him about his past, he linked you to all the pics and text you could need, then you said you wouldn't look at it. You are just wasting the guys time. A few people have been decent with you, and you even insulted them for that.
One problem we all share, is feeding the troll. It's something we could all fix, with mutual agreement, that there is nothing worth any value to recover here. Every trace of chat with this girl, is meaningless pages. We need to stop.
I'm ending it here, along with crooked8, who came to his senses before me.
One problem we all share, is feeding the troll. It's something we could all fix, with mutual agreement, that there is nothing worth any value to recover here. Every trace of chat with this girl, is meaningless pages. We need to stop.
I'm ending it here, along with crooked8, who came to his senses before me.
CharlesU Farley
Well-known member
This poster was the exact same way on the Mr Nice forum.
Pretty sure mu shitcanned 'em. There's nothing anyone can do or say that will change this person. I don't mind reading posts from jerks and assholes _if_ they are at least moderately intelligent and know what they are talking about, which _isn't_ the case here.
Just look at that thing he calls a cannabis plant???? And to think he was _proud_ to put that pic up.
So for me, it's into the _Ignore_ bin for Troll Boy, wtmkf.
SaveTheBrains
Member
Bro you plants look unreal
I wouldn't bother listen the noises.Who cant admire greatness, is weak in mind .
Great grow!
Brother Nature
Well-known member
Damn these led threads seem to bring out even more kooks than the political threads... Hat's off to you guys for keeping a level head and trying to reason with the unreasonable, must get frustrating...
Ha me too! I also put him on ignore, it was like a rant from a 14 year old. That was a miserable person for real.
Phytoplankton
Member
Well, hopefully the troll is back under his respective bridge. Got a headache reading all that misinformation. But back to the question at hand. Quality LED's will, IMHO, grow weed that is at least as good as HPS. Never seen a lot of difference in quality or quantity between the two. They both take some work to get dialed in. Now to take you on a little artificial light journey. In 1975 I was in College, Humbodlt State University. Best weed to be found anywhere at that time, but it was all grown outdoors, natural light. Almost none was grown under artificial light, mostly because at that time grow lights were in their infancy. My first dorm room grow was under incandescent "growlights", that were no more than a 150 watt spotlight bulb with a light blue coating inside the glass. Grew terrible leggy plants, and always had heat issues. Soon after, HPS became available, but at that time they were very expensive, and the bulb spectrum choices were limited, as most HPS was used for outdoor commercial lighting, the bulbs were high wattage, but it certainly grew better weed than incandescent, but because of the size of the lights/ballasts you needed a big grow space. Some people used neon type bulbs, but again, the choices for spectrum were very limited, the bulbs were really expensive, hard to find, (no internet, no Amazon back then) and they only lasted about 6-9 months before they needed to be replaced. For many years HPS was the gold standard, but then LED's came on the scene, the early "burples" vegged plants great, but were lacking for flowering, then came the veg/bloom models with a setting for veg and one for flower, they were better, but still not great. Now comes the full spectrum lights, and emphasis on quality diodes with better spectrums (301B, 301H), which were really the game changers, along with dimmable lights to help with adjusting light intensity. I can see for the future even more fine tunning of the chips and spectra. Just trying to get this thread back on track.
I’m amazed how many different factors growers selecting for their grows and gaining experience on. And that each has their own vision to encourage their plants to offer a personable appeal.
I know this isn’t a this vs. that or who vs who discussion, a prefab eBay clearance sale thanks to all the skin that is in the research. I haven’t fought through the struggle for the last decade. Serious respect to anybody who has endlessly sought out the spectrum and efficiency to provide these effective fixtures aimed at low yielding indoor annuals. COCO specifically is the entrepreneurial sponsor of my yellow brick road to LED fixtures. Looking around at trial and error and then finding a light that has a similar model producing scientific results offered on YouTube. That hard work led me to the light that powers my persuit of happiness. I remember watching some light reviews from last year where Coco says something certain over powering diodes which mostly affected ppfd/w efficiency.
To be bold about my personal conclusion. The worst mistake I personally made with LED was inappropriate use of the dimmer switch. I neglected to understand that LED (unlike traditional lighting) will light up below its minimum operating efficiency. I did come to understand where mistakes have been made by over driving. As in 1w/diode is inefficient as .1w to 4 times as many diodes and you would get a light starved plant. In the case that 250W be insufficient on 250 diodes similar and also inefficient at 2500 diodes.
I experienced that optimum on a fixture provided by companies, reviewed by public figures with meters, and released to careful consumers. Which I guess would be the same for DIYers. Getting the dimmer where it’s delivering between .2-.3w/ diode with the height 30 - 40cm when the plant Is in fruit. Then I’ve got to have a soil/solution with extra cal/mag/K content in order to keep everything in line. Occasionally I flip the dimmer back and forth but the plants say definitely an optimum thats a click back on the driver for my XS2500Pro powered flower rig.
This is kind of the same info coming from this thread and my own research, at least what I’ve selected and packed away throughout the last year. A year ago my answer to indoor lighting was 1000w sun systems with digital 600-1100. Decision that smaller space means smaller failures I went with 250w XS2500pro to suit my 20in(50cm)x36in(90cm) grow space. The math on that comes out to 4.8sqft (about 1/2m).
My personal experience so far. I think I’m basically agreeing with what others have agreed upon in this thread. Probably want 200 diodes per square foot powered between (.2-.3w)/diode. So about 2000 per square meter or maybe a little more. I can kind of see here where like 2500 at 600-700w in a 5x5(1.5m x1.5m) would work for someone considering so serving the kWh.
Calling this 4.8sq ft might be cheating.
1.6x5=8ftsq if I do a gpw/(ft/m) it will not likely be anything impressive
I lazy manned my way into an issue. leaves are consequence of 4days lazy watering with high nutrient solution and aggressive correction of the issue.
this is a little box drying rig with some frosting.
bug was resting on the wall, so no issue
I know this isn’t a this vs. that or who vs who discussion, a prefab eBay clearance sale thanks to all the skin that is in the research. I haven’t fought through the struggle for the last decade. Serious respect to anybody who has endlessly sought out the spectrum and efficiency to provide these effective fixtures aimed at low yielding indoor annuals. COCO specifically is the entrepreneurial sponsor of my yellow brick road to LED fixtures. Looking around at trial and error and then finding a light that has a similar model producing scientific results offered on YouTube. That hard work led me to the light that powers my persuit of happiness. I remember watching some light reviews from last year where Coco says something certain over powering diodes which mostly affected ppfd/w efficiency.
To be bold about my personal conclusion. The worst mistake I personally made with LED was inappropriate use of the dimmer switch. I neglected to understand that LED (unlike traditional lighting) will light up below its minimum operating efficiency. I did come to understand where mistakes have been made by over driving. As in 1w/diode is inefficient as .1w to 4 times as many diodes and you would get a light starved plant. In the case that 250W be insufficient on 250 diodes similar and also inefficient at 2500 diodes.
I experienced that optimum on a fixture provided by companies, reviewed by public figures with meters, and released to careful consumers. Which I guess would be the same for DIYers. Getting the dimmer where it’s delivering between .2-.3w/ diode with the height 30 - 40cm when the plant Is in fruit. Then I’ve got to have a soil/solution with extra cal/mag/K content in order to keep everything in line. Occasionally I flip the dimmer back and forth but the plants say definitely an optimum thats a click back on the driver for my XS2500Pro powered flower rig.
This is kind of the same info coming from this thread and my own research, at least what I’ve selected and packed away throughout the last year. A year ago my answer to indoor lighting was 1000w sun systems with digital 600-1100. Decision that smaller space means smaller failures I went with 250w XS2500pro to suit my 20in(50cm)x36in(90cm) grow space. The math on that comes out to 4.8sqft (about 1/2m).
My personal experience so far. I think I’m basically agreeing with what others have agreed upon in this thread. Probably want 200 diodes per square foot powered between (.2-.3w)/diode. So about 2000 per square meter or maybe a little more. I can kind of see here where like 2500 at 600-700w in a 5x5(1.5m x1.5m) would work for someone considering so serving the kWh.
Calling this 4.8sq ft might be cheating.
1.6x5=8ftsq if I do a gpw/(ft/m) it will not likely be anything impressive
I lazy manned my way into an issue. leaves are consequence of 4days lazy watering with high nutrient solution and aggressive correction of the issue.
this is a little box drying rig with some frosting.
bug was resting on the wall, so no issue
PadawanWarrior
Well-known member
Nice. Looks like you're dealing with a little P deficiency. When that happens to me I add some high P bat guano.
I had two problems, my final run off water was 2100 at one point. I use a mix of cal mag, calnit micro, biothrive bloom, molasses and jacks tomato with a ml or two of pk and a ml of armor silicate here and there through flower and try to just keep at 1100-1200ppm watering heavily.
I let some 1470s water slip as the last gallon of input thinking I’ll water next day or two no big deal. 4 days later I get 2100 at the end of run off. burned and then starved. Ill just say… I was wandering around in shoes without socks for the entire week.
this was before that foolishness, dialed in
1400s w/ tent open
Oops
plant is bummed out about all the changes but I stopped more of the sugar burns by cutting back shy of optimum until things leveled off in and out.
I just learned something where I may have better dealt with this. To put the dimmer back one notch to that .2w/diode while I was neglecting root zone. Younger character, one of Dr. Bruce Bugbees colleagues warning about this, that higher inputs can result in a disruption with your EC when running higher light levels.
I’ll blame the plant really cause it’s transpiring had me having to sort out some ppm issue that compounded with pH7+ (probably K-sil).
I mean this pot was dry to the drain holes 8 days ago gave it near 3.0/1500 ph water 5 days before that and every day since I saw 4.2/2100@7+ph; with 1.8/900@-6pH @me to get 2.3/[email protected] running out again, 2 days ago.
The fan leaves saved the days I had shoes on and socks off.
I let some 1470s water slip as the last gallon of input thinking I’ll water next day or two no big deal. 4 days later I get 2100 at the end of run off. burned and then starved. Ill just say… I was wandering around in shoes without socks for the entire week.
this was before that foolishness, dialed in
1400s w/ tent open
Oops
plant is bummed out about all the changes but I stopped more of the sugar burns by cutting back shy of optimum until things leveled off in and out.
I just learned something where I may have better dealt with this. To put the dimmer back one notch to that .2w/diode while I was neglecting root zone. Younger character, one of Dr. Bruce Bugbees colleagues warning about this, that higher inputs can result in a disruption with your EC when running higher light levels.
I’ll blame the plant really cause it’s transpiring had me having to sort out some ppm issue that compounded with pH7+ (probably K-sil).
I mean this pot was dry to the drain holes 8 days ago gave it near 3.0/1500 ph water 5 days before that and every day since I saw 4.2/2100@7+ph; with 1.8/900@-6pH @me to get 2.3/[email protected] running out again, 2 days ago.
The fan leaves saved the days I had shoes on and socks off.
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