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[greyfader]

Yea great advice. Just stop grounding electronics.
Next you replace your breakers with copper pipe to get more amps.

i did say until he gets the ground problem with his house solved. and i did say that it is better to run grounded.

i did not say to just stop grounding electronics. context, my friend!

 

[Orange's Greenhouse]

i did say until he gets the ground problem with his house solved. and i did say that it is better to run grounded.

i did not say to just stop grounding electronics. context, my friend!

You said to stop grounding electronics, when it solves a minor inconvenience.
The problem is that line is not disconnected. That couples capacitatively and a minor current flows, enough to make them glow. A different breaker (or turning it in the socket) solves the problem without compromising safety.

There is no context required for adhering to safety rules. Every rule was written because someone died.

 

[greyfader]

You said to stop grounding electronics, when it solves a minor inconvenience.
The problem is that line is not disconnected. That couples capacitatively and a minor current flows, enough to make them glow. A different breaker (or turning it in the socket) solves the problem without compromising safety.

There is no context required for adhering to safety rules. Every rule was written because someone died.

i did not say to stop grounding electronics. are you just feeling argumentative? you did notice that the afterglow stopped. i did not say that it was a permanent fix.

have you ever lived in a house that was so old that it did not even have 3 prong grounded outlets? how would you plug in your modern appliances in such a house?

and all modern table lamps and many counter top appliances such as electric can openers, toasters, and coffee makers in the US are 2 prong and so the light or appliance itself is not grounded. and was not designed to be grounded.

the outlets are grounded.

the little 2 prong adaptors are sold all over the US for use in old houses. they are UL approved and are not banned under codes.

i'm all for safety but we need a little common sense to go with it.

 

[Orange's Greenhouse]

i did not say to stop grounding electronics.

You proposed using a device that allows you to "stop grounding electronics".

have you ever lived in a house that was so old that it did not even have 3 prong grounded outlets?

No, I have not and would be terrified if I ever entered it. If it has no ground connection chances are that the insulation on the cables is degraded so badly (due to age) that nothing is safe there.

not designed to be grounded.

Yes, they were designed in such a way. This is done by using non conductive housing and making it very difficult to touch any live wires. This is entirely different than a device being designed to be grounded but choosing not to use that safety feature.

 

[greyfader]

You proposed using a device that allows you to "stop grounding electronics".

No, I have not and would be terrified if I ever entered it. If it has no ground connection chances are that the insulation on the cables is degraded so badly (due to age) that nothing is safe there.

Yes, they were designed in such a way. This is done by using non conductive housing and making it very difficult to touch any live wires. This is entirely different than a device being designed to be grounded but choosing not to use that safety feature.

do you live in the US? is english your first language?

i'm sure you are "terrified" of many things.

please stop twisting my words and intent around to justify your desire to argue.

my exact words;

"until you can solve the ground problem with your house maybe you should run the light ungrounded."

nothing about "stop grounding appliances" or "You said to stop grounding electronics, when it solves a minor inconvenience."

 

[Orange's Greenhouse]

do you live in the US? is english your first language?

i'm sure you are "terrified" of many things.

please stop twisting my words and intent around to justify your desire to argue.

my exact words;

"until you can solve the ground problem with your house maybe you should run the light ungrounded."

nothing about "stop grounding appliances" or "You said to stop grounding electronics, when it solves a minor inconvenience."

No, I do not live in the USA. But despite your country's rather creative approach to electrical safety you have building codes. An electrical sytem that is so old that grounding is not part of the code has many problems, for example very old insulation.
My neighbours appartment burnt down due to a cable fire. That organizes priorities.
And how am I twisting your words? You posted a picture of a device that bypasses grounding, adding that it may solve the issue discussed.

And to say it a 3rd time (I have no idea why everyone is ignoring me).


The problem is that the controller does not disconnect the light!


If it is properly disconnected from the grid no energy is transmitted. No after glow. No grounding issue. It is behaving as if unplugged!
So yea, either get a controller that does what it is intended to do or disconnect safety devices. Both gets the job done.

 

[flylowgethigh]

My Growers Choice lights are run on a remote 0-10v signal. The light has an internal power supply driver. One bar wouldn’t turn off when the controller told the lights to turn off with a 0 volt signal.

They had to send a box that shuts off the power to the light when the controller told signal was 0 volts. The light power goes through this box, which must have an internal relay controlled by the 0-10 volt signal. If that is your problem, they may sell the power shutoff box by itself. My regular light controller still sets the 20%-100% light power and timing, but when the control is off there is no power to the light.

 

[greyfader]

No, I do not live in the USA. But despite your country's rather creative approach to electrical safety you have building codes. An electrical sytem that is so old that grounding is not part of the code has many problems, for example very old insulation.
My neighbours appartment burnt down due to a cable fire. That organizes priorities.
And how am I twisting your words? You posted a picture of a device that bypasses grounding, adding that it may solve the issue discussed.

And to say it a 3rd time (I have no idea why everyone is ignoring me).


The problem is that the controller does not disconnect the light!


If it is properly disconnected from the grid no energy is transmitted. No after glow. No grounding issue. It is behaving as if unplugged!
So yea, either get a controller that does what it is intended to do or disconnect safety devices. Both gets the job done.

his problem is with the house ground, not the controller. we just proved that by interrupting the ground pathway to his light. when we interrupted the ground pathway the after glow stopped.

you seem to have difficulty interpreting what you see and read. i don't have time to nit pick and argue over this. you have a nice day!