jamaican "lambsbread"

[Roms]

Sure, that's why i'm glad knowing Rahan is a biologist with enough knowledge on plant genetics, and year after year kept reproducing batches of seeds from the original thousands from his first open pollination, in order to avoid the issues and genetic drift from small populations. 50 plants x 10 times means 500 plants. Not the same as 1000 but probably getting closer to a perfect enough population with the time.

I also keep enough frozen seeds from a refreshing reproduction done by a friend and talented grower under tropical sun in the right latitude and environmental conditions, for long term and future in-situ genetic conservation.

So don't worry, the most important work has been done already by some people, and there's no need to waste time with other ex-situ open pollinations, especially knowing there are hundreds of cultivars getting extinct by now. Doing indoor dozen plant repros one after the other is just producing even more inbreeding and doing more harm than good to the cultivar's genepool really. Reproduce, storage right and move on to the next one is what Cannabis really needs, if the goal is preserving genetics rather than egos.

1 - Rahan SELECTED something like under dozen parents for his F2s and F3s and made hundreds seeds everytime!

2 - The Vibes Collective did the same SELECTION with little numbers and so on etc then!
3 - Please Mustafunk, don't falsely rewrite our history!!!

 

[Roms]

@Roms I would tend to rather keep 500 of 1000 Plants, so this is Selection/keeping Hempy Plants out.

I was adressing ONLY the Amount of Keepers, again: 500 of 1000 Plants keeping, and the Conseuence of that Scenario might be open Pollination needed.

Vibes Romano you are right, that is perfectionism!

By hoping next generation growers and farmers will do that if they can! We are just like little pioneers in the new landrace game play...

 

[Mustafunk]

1 - Rahan SELECTED under dozen parents for his F2s and F3s and made few hundreds seeds everytime!
2 - The Vibes Collective did the same SELECTION with little numbers and so on etc then!
3 - Please Mustafunk, don't falsely rewrite our history!!!

Our history? What are you speaking about?? He posted all this when he was still active on the forum and we discussed about the subject. I still have his messages:

So when I realized like you that each generation would lead to inbreeding depression, I started to count my possibilities and decided that we would be able to preserve only one or two strains. And for spiritual purpose, we chose mainly the lambsbread. We have always stored the seeds continuously in the fridge and carefully dessicated with silicates. Hence when we reproduced the lambsbread this year, we used in fact seeds from a second generation done in 2007, selecting for non hermas, just after I open pollinated with the original seeds. The same for the Ethiopian, who were from 2005, only one generation after I reproduced them with African seeds stock in 2002.

For the lambsbread, our strategy is very simple. We have around a thousand of seeds from this first big selection with 45 individuals. We did something like 12 males x 25 females as we kept everybody that was not intersex. And now, we have two setups per year: one that can reproduce with 40 individuals and one with 12. We can do that 2 time per year, so our total combination males x females would be at best with no intersex and sex ratio of 1 : (20 x 20) x 2 + (6 x 6) x 2 = 872 combinations. Clearly not enough. .

If we did only lambsbread each year, it still would take almost 3 years to obtain a similar result to a unique 100 individuals grow.... Now we know our seeds have a duration of at least 9 years, so what we do is simply reproducing the lambsbread each time we can, with as many individuals as we can, with the original seedstock while it still sprouts. And when it won't sprout anymore, we will do the same with the P3 seeds, but we will have more than 10 000 this time so even our children will have a chance to grow this generation.

For every other botanical point of view, I agree with you that it's hard to imagine being able to preserve a landrace either without a massive legal grow or without a massive collective effort. That was the hope I put into the vibes collective but it failed.

Have a good vibe Mustafunk

Rahan

Where's the false history you speak about? It seems suddenly you know better than him how he did. Or you just want to look down on us and impress people like Romanoweed and so on? Don't be a fool man, show more respect to the work he did and still does in the shadows (an effort only him has been willing to do by the way), we are all growing those seeds thanks to him. So keep your bad Vibes for yourself.

You pretend you know more than anyone else or your opinion is more valid on this subject, but it's pretty obvious you have your own opinions and interests despite you play the "good guy" role. You know where I'm coming from and where I still stand, thats why Jahgreenlabel sent some love and respect after all this time offline. Unlike you I don't seek people's approval or sympathy, nor yours anymore. Especially you've let others shit over that promise and even your own word and principles.

Yet you keep coming, posting incomplete info, data from other people, seeking props and attention in order to promote your own projects, only exposing yourself and that selfish approach is actually what made the collective fail ultimately.

Focus on your projects/beliefs and stop looking others or seeking attention, or trying to look down on others if you believe your approach is better, even if it isn't. Do whatever you want, even if you make mistakes. It's up to you and your own karma, but don't call out like that pretending I don't know what's up, when we've been on the same boat for years.

Anyway I don't want to waste more time on this, if you need to discuss any private issues you know how to reach me. So let's move on.

 

[Roms]

Ok now i understand your problem with me all these last years, it's more clear! Nothing but jealousy i guess, you would have liked to appropriate the Vibesco to yourself like the seeds you may have received. The same way you got with JGL after the Vibesco closed while he himself with USC were a big one of the main reasons for the Vibesco closure. If i had not been there to calm the game of JGL and to respect the history of this line and the vibesco, where would it be?

And hopefully i don't know what you can say to others in private to tamish my vibes i guess. When i think it's me who invited you to the Vibesco at the time wow!

What you are talking about me describes your way of thinking, not mine, let realize that you talk to a miror man. What you reproach me you do, as simply as it is.

So about this quote from Rahan it seems to be about his F4 project man, not his F2s or F3s so...!? What is the date?

(...) and year after year kept reproducing batches of seeds from the original thousands from his first open pollination (...).

So not thousandS seeds and not massive openpoll who produced the F2s and F3s, quite the contrary! And even for his F4 project it's around 1 thousand not thousandS as you suggest!

(...) and there's no need to waste time with other ex-situ open pollinations, (...) Doing indoor dozen plant repros one after the other is just producing even more inbreeding and doing more harm than good to the cultivar's genepool really. (...) if the goal is preserving genetics rather than egos.

You better explain and document what you could have done yourself with this line pure because the obscur elitism that you've be showing is the opposite of the Vibesco itself.

Hopefully one day Rahan will return but you're right i'm going to be more discreet now and everything that needed to be said is already there. A superhero cape like mine should become rarer ahaha thanks for the advise! Peace.


PS : Re edited with a more precise quote. PPS : Sorry for my rude words, thanks Gypsy Nirvana for the clean up!

 

[ngakpa]

So please select your landrace before reproducing them otherwise there is a great chance of reproducing bad attibutes ya know!

hi -

all good cannabis is the result of selection

for an initial reproduction, you can open-pollinate, using as many males and females as possible, while also removing any obviously undesirable plants

seed from the best female(s) can be used for the next generation

i.e., you can maximize genetic diversity and select, if you're starting from a relatively small number of seeds

traditional ganja growing should involve selective pressure, i.e. using seed from the best plants

but you should also have pollen from all the pure males, culling any hermies and weedy or weak plants

the same could be done to a traditional hashish landrace, but potency seems to have developed over hundreds and thousands of years

ganja growers are the only farmers I've encountered discussing selection

in the 70s, Thai ganja showed 17% THC in UK government tests

the same sort of THC levels can be found in Thai, Lao, Indian, African landraces these days

you can get plenty of power just selecting on the female side and open-pollinating

 

[Riamba]

in the 70s, Thai ganja showed 17% THC in UK government tests

Where can that paper be found now?


Best.

 

[ngakpa]

Where can that paper be found now?


Best.

Illicitly imported Cannabis products: some physical and chemical features indicative of their origin.
Baker PB,
Gough TA,
Taylor BJ

Bulletin on Narcotics, 01 Jan 1980, 32(2):31-40

There should be tables with the THC content

The version at the UNODC site doesn't seem to have them

 

[rolandomota]

Lol to Spanish not being connected to the direct spread of cannabis in America really lol wtf? That's why Almost all countries south of USA speak Spanish Brazil is one of the rare exceptios Yea it was the English or french O man why am I still here laters...ps kingsbreath would cone from lambsbreath not bread just a theory Jamaica has a heavy accent

 

[MAHA KALA]

dont use western logic on it. it is not: bread or breath, it is both. bread like spiritual feed, breath like cosmic principle of life, prana in Sanskrit.. when we smoke it, we inhale/exhale and it is breath, receiving a life, it is rhythm, even scientists tell you life cant arise without repeating/rhythm.. and then smoke goes to your head and you are blessed by God and you receive feed for you soul, get inspired and blessed, just remember why Shiva created cannabis from his own body.. to purify elixir of life, so both bread and breath means, that when you smoke it, you smoke sacred herb that connects you to cosmic principles.. when you want to connect, first you have to purify your soul or breath, that is what is lambsbread for..

 

[MAHA KALA]

"In Hinduism, wise drinking of bhang (which contains cannabis), according to religious rites, is believed to cleanse sins, unite one with Shiva and avoid the miseries of hell in the future life. It is also believed to have medicinal benefits." so I geuss that is very similar to smoking ganja in Rastafarian religion, and Sadhus also smoke charas from chillum more than drinking bhang..

 

[Montuno]

Hey Willy, the rastafarism is older than the 70s, really start in the 30s and its construction is even more older!

About the Spanish i don't think that they have a really strong direct influence in the cannabis spread in America, it's only indirect by their slavery business of African people...

The Spanish were the first introducers and growers of cannabis in the Americas, spreading these crops throughout all Hispanic America (from from the South of the USA to Paraguay and Chile). Not would
be surprising even, if they were the first to introduce it into Jamaica too; after all, the first large-scale extensive American cultivation took place in Mexico when Hermán Cortés decided to build a shipyard and a naval fleet with which to explore and secure dominance over Northwest Mexico / Southwest USA, since the Adelantado of Jamaica, Francisco de Garay (to whom the Governor of Cuba, Diego de Velazquez, really wanted to entrust the conquest of Mexico) had "snatched" the Mexican North East from him.

And on the contrary, the contribution and introduction of cannabis by black African slaves is overrated if not almost nil:
If you know this terrible historical fact well, you will see how unlikely it is that a black African was loaded with cannabis seeds just as he was caught by surprise, nor that any of his personal possessions escaped the subsequent theft by his captors, nor that many seeds could be carried hidden by a naked and chained slave, nor that they (or the rats) did not eat those seeds when many slaves died on the journey of malnutrition, nor that many seeds could survive the conditions of very high humidity, heat and rot in the hold of a slave ship... And remember, before, the long time into a jail like the Goree one, while waiting for a ship...

Salud!

 

[willydread]

100 % agree, specially about slaves, probably later they introduced African varieties, but it is difficult for me to imagine slaves with seeds ... they brought with them traditions, spirituality (a good part of the Jamaican "dialect", customs like Obeah, or Jonkanoo, or certain names, are African)...

 

[Roms]

The Spanish were the first introducers and growers of cannabis in the Americas, spreading these crops throughout all Hispanic America (from from the South of the USA to Paraguay and Chile). Not would
be surprising even, if they were the first to introduce it into Jamaica too; after all, the first large-scale extensive American cultivation took place in Mexico when Hermán Cortés decided to build a shipyard and a naval fleet with which to explore and secure dominance over Northwest Mexico / Southwest USA, since the Adelantado of Jamaica, Francisco de Garay (to whom the Governor of Cuba, Diego de Velazquez, really wanted to entrust the conquest of Mexico) had "snatched" the Mexican North East from him.

And on the contrary, the contribution and introduction of cannabis by black African slaves is overrated if not almost nil:
If you know this terrible historical fact well, you will see how unlikely it is that a black African was loaded with cannabis seeds just as he was caught by surprise, nor that any of his personal possessions escaped the subsequent theft by his captors, nor that many seeds could be carried hidden by a naked and chained slave, nor that they (or the rats) did not eat those seeds when many slaves died on the journey of malnutrition, nor that many seeds could survive the conditions of very high humidity, heat and rot in the hold of a slave ship... And remember, before, the long time into a jail like the Goree one, while waiting for a ship...

Salud!

Ya bro but we need to keep in mind the difference between hemp and cannabis. My words and sentence was awkward i admit sorry.

Columbus monument in Barcelona

https://hashmuseum.com/en/collection/columbus-and-cannabis

About the slavery we also need to keep in mind that there were African collaborators who were not slave!

And sincerely in absolute i think that the cannabis was already present in America before the arrival of hemp with Colombus. Maybe from the Vikings and even before from the Hyperboreans. That's for the East but from the Ouest there's also the Austronesians and up North by the Bering strait the Siberian shaman. ???

 

[mexcurandero420]

The Spanish were the first introducers and growers of cannabis in the Americas, spreading these crops throughout all Hispanic America (from from the South of the USA to Paraguay and Chile). Not would
be surprising even, if they were the first to introduce it into Jamaica too; after all, the first large-scale extensive American cultivation took place in Mexico when Hermán Cortés decided to build a shipyard and a naval fleet with which to explore and secure dominance over Northwest Mexico / Southwest USA, since the Adelantado of Jamaica, Francisco de Garay (to whom the Governor of Cuba, Diego de Velazquez, really wanted to entrust the conquest of Mexico) had "snatched" the Mexican North East from him.

And on the contrary, the contribution and introduction of cannabis by black African slaves is overrated if not almost nil:
If you know this terrible historical fact well, you will see how unlikely it is that a black African was loaded with cannabis seeds just as he was caught by surprise, nor that any of his personal possessions escaped the subsequent theft by his captors, nor that many seeds could be carried hidden by a naked and chained slave, nor that they (or the rats) did not eat those seeds when many slaves died on the journey of malnutrition, nor that many seeds could survive the conditions of very high humidity, heat and rot in the hold of a slave ship... And remember, before, the long time into a jail like the Goree one, while waiting for a ship...

Salud!

Nope the first could be the Egyptians long before Columbus discovered the Americas and Chile was the only country suitable to grow hemp

 

[Montuno]

Nope the first could be the Egyptians long before Columbus discovered the Americas and Chile was the only country suitable to grow hemp

...y no te olvides de los extraterrestres...

 

[mexcurandero420]

...y no te olvides de los extraterrestres...

Bueno, según los vedas, la semilla cayó del cielo.

They found traces of cocaine in Egyptian mummies, so if there was a trade between the Americas and Egypt back in the days, the natives from America would have known this herb too, d ince Egyptians used Cannabis as medicine and perhaps also as incense.

 

[Mustafunk]

you would have liked to appropriate the Vibesco to yourself like the seeds you may have received. The same way you got with JGL after the Vibesco closed while he himself with USC were a big one of the main reasons for the Vibesco closure.

It wasn't me the one who recently wanted to take over the Vibes, you even said you were creating a new web with the help of your your web developer friend Chieforganic and had many plans. All that after I’ve mentioned some time before that Kanza would like to eventually rescue and make the Vibes something nicer and some of us were motivated to support him. Now how’s that called? I've suggested you to ask Kanza for his blessing before using the Vibes Collective name or making any resolutions on your own, since he was the original founder. I told him about it too and he also said you shouldn’t use the name to build anything on your own.

Now you are trying to look down on Jahgreenlabel too, after Rahan, when none of them can defend themselves. But before USC, others like Brazilian Seeds, Bodhi, Cannabiogen/ACE or Snowhigh also released genetics that can be traced back to the VC, often without crediting the origin or asking, so it wasn’t incidental, USC was not the reason since from what I know, JGL had Rahan’s blessing and always gave credit and passed the true history along. So he was a true VC soldier and became a master growing NLD landraces indoors.

The first year JGL and Cristalin joined Tropical Seed Co, they wanted to distribute the Lambsbread at the Spannabis event in order to promote USC, we suggested him to respect the old promise, since that was more important that becoming a successful breeder without ethics in the short term. I even reached TSCo to explain the situation in Spanish. Told you about it and adviced JGL to be careful since the company was changing their owners and approach after Aeros sold it. Finally JGL left the scene because he didn’t feel their vibe and posted on the forums that I was right. But more recently on the other hand, the seeds you’ve shared ended being sold after you gave your ok and didn’t take any responsibility. So I'm afraid you are not in a position to speak about anyone else’s contributions or ethics.

The only thing we've done was trying to gather some of the surviving members and save some of the genetics and legacy from dissapearing along with some friends, since no one else was caring of the Vibes anymore. Since Rahan sourced it, started and kept working on the preservation of the Jamaican, I’ve chosen to step aside, let the masters do his thing and focus on my own works and other lines that don’t have as many attention. Yet I continue sharing with many people. Mostly those who never beg, proved being humble, disinterested, compromised, respectful with those that came before us and passionate about the plant itself. That’s elitism for you? This has nothing todo with social elites or inequality like you may suggest, but with people and growers with honor and ethics who aspire to excellence and give example within the community, who will never let you down or sell out for ego or money, who give back and not just take. Scarce perhaps, but they do exist. But of course, that's my personal view and principles.

Anyway let’s get back to the topic now, so please stop posting any more lies and wasting more time with this.

And on the contrary, the contribution and introduction of cannabis by black African slaves is overrated if not almost nil

I believe Jamaica has a much richer Cannabis history than we think, the origin of its ganja culture goes way deeper and earlier than rastafarians, who just adopted the plant in their cult. I believe in fact that it’s the Spanish role in Cannabis dispersal what’s highly overrated. The main centre for transatlantic Cannabis dispersion seems to be Angola, as the main African slaving port and also some of the centres of Cannabis culture in Africa. Hemp cultivation attempts in America were never very successful and mostly anecdotal. But western centered history rarely recognizes the role of African cultures on this issue, like for example something as important as the invention and dispersal of the smoking pipes and devices like the bong and other variants of this water pipes with bamboo, cattle horns, calabash and so on, with records dating from 14th century onwards, including those found at the Lalibela Caves, Ethiopia, which even had some Cannabinoid traces inside.

100 % agree, specially about slaves, probably later they introduced African varieties, but it is difficult for me to imagine slaves with seeds ...

As for the relation of the slavery era with the Cannabis dispersal into America, I believe the psychoactive species of the plant came from Africa, not Spain unlike the hemp. Not only those theories are true and studied before by people like Pio Correa in Brazil, but there’s written records of a slave saving Cannabis seeds, which suppose the first and only record of a slave carrying plant seeds with him. It was noted by Paul Du Chaillu at his book “Explorations and Aventures in Equatorial Africa”, who saw an slave in Gabon preserving a few seeds carefully in order to carry them. There are records of Cannabis being grown in slave centers from the Middle Passage as Sao Tome too. I also believe it was never proved that hemp plants could turn into psychoactive Cannabis either, and Spanish hemp (NLH) was different to East Asian hemp or BLH, which apparently still could have some psychoactive properties.

The legacy of Angolese slaves and Cannabis culture has been long studied and still present in Brazil. From the traditional kimbundu names like maconha, cangonha, suruma or diamba; to the mutopa water pipes that were invented in Africa. Cannabis use remained something common among the hard labourer classes, miners or porters like it always has been.

From Angola, slaves took Cannabis to Brazil in the 16th century as an intoxicant (although Portuguese sailors may have provided another transmission mechanism), where it was known by a variety of local names, particularly maconha (a word of Angolan origin) and diamba. Cannabis was grown in Bahia by1549, and spread into the state of Amazonas. Used first by sugar cane workers and grown amid the sugarcane fields in the northeast, it spread to fishing villages and longshore workers, and became known as the “opium of the poor” (de Pinho1975). The drug was more rapidly adopted by mestizos than indigenous peoples, who possessed a formidable array of hallucinogens of their own (Hutchinson1975). In many communities, religious syncretism included African spirits and plants; cannabis became important in subcultures such as candomble (Warf, B. (2014)).

On the other hand, it wasn’t only the slaves themselves but mostly the slavists who were really interested in taking Cannabis to the colonies in order to “pacify” the slaves all over the Americas, from Brazil to Jamaica. Not only was smoking tolerated, but Portuguese and British colonies even had a whole system of Cannabis exportation and trade into the colonies, so the slaves were never short of supply and worked hard, despite the famine and terrible conditions the suffered. It seems Cannabis has always been the working man's friend. From slaves, to Indians to Mexican porters.

Slavers knew the plant drug sustained captives on their marches to slave ports. And slaves appreciated the herb, since they already used it back in their origins. Either via primary or secondary route, psychoactive Cannabis and smoking culture was introduced into America from Western Central Africa. Secondary introductions happened possibly in Mexico and are well studied in the Panama/Colombia region, possibly via the Caribbean islands who had presence of the plant from much earlier. DNA matching in Phylos also found relations between Jamaican, Colombian, Panaman and African landraces and support what the historians and ethnobotany researchers have been proposing for years.

When the British took over Jamaica, they introduced sugar cane plantations all over the island, which increased the slave demand. Near 90.000 Central African slaves arrived to Jamaica after 1750, plus 15.000 more recaptives from St. Helena and Sierra Leone as indentured laborers from 1840-67 (Domingues, “The Diaspora of Africans Liberated from Slave Ships in the 19th century”). This numbers were far superior to the indians coolies. And despite Indian culture dominated the country, Cannabis in Jamaica has African heritage too, just like in Brazil, including the use of angolese derived terms like diamba and makoni or the use of the archetypical african calabash water pipes too. But there aren’t many records of grow or use by the africans slaves prior to the Indian use and disperal, unlike happend in Brazil.

After the slavery was abolished in early 1800s, the British switched into Indian indentured labourers, who also contributed to the introduction of seeds and their own Cannabis culture in the Caribbean, which remained prevalent in Trinidad or Jamaica. The well stablished Indian ganja culture and British ganja trade took over and draw all the attention within the country over any african influences. More recently around 1920-30s, the rastafarian movement started to adopt the ganja use as part of their own culture as well.

B. Warf:In the19thcentury, British authorities brought 1.5million “surplus” laborers from India to labor-short islands in the Caribbean. Indentured Indian workers brought ganja with them to Barbados and Jamaica after the abolition of slavery there in 1834, and it was tolerated solong as sugar production did not suffer (Angrosino 2003). Ganja’s use was clo-sely wrapped up with that of rum, so that the two drugs became intertwined inthe cycle of work, debt, and poverty that characterized latifundial life on thesugar plantation, an excellent demonstration of colonial biopolitics. “The grow-ing and trading of ganja seem to have been a thriving cottage industry on themargins of the estates, where the Indians came to be more explicit about the vir-tues of ganja in enhancing their ability to function as plantation laborers” (An-grosino2003,105).

The international Cannabis export trade flourished back then, it was taxed both in Angola and the British colonies. Angolese merchants were displaying liamba at the World Fairs in London (1862), Paris (1867), Antwerp (1885) and Liverpool (1907). They mainly supplied liamba to Sao Tome and French Gabon, but also exported it to Britain and Germany to some extent.

The British also controlled the world’s largest Cannabis market in India, which flourished mostly due to the global pharmaceutical demand. Indian labourers all over the colonies demanded high grade ganja, including those from Trinidad, Natal, the British and Dutch Guianas, Mauritius and so on. There are even records from Indians workers from Trinidad who grew Cannabis in Venezuela and smuggled it back to Trinidad in order to avoid paying oficial taxes and fees for a mediocre imported product. Often the ganja arriving to Britain had been stored in India for several years, so the quality was terrible. The Indians took advantage of unknowledgeabe british traders, they already knew weed deteriorates shortly, so they kept the fresh good tops for themselves, while selling the devalued old stock to the British. In Bengal a year old stock was considered unpotent, while a two year old stock was worthless. But old material remained stored for two, three, four or even more years before being equally shipped to Britain.

This lack of quality control among the Cannabis stocks (partly because of their blind faith in Western medicine and science, neglecting the local knowledge on the plant), was what lead the pharmaceutical industry to dismiss the trade of Cannabis until it finally died when the Cannabis plant became prohibited and regulated worlwide in the 1925 opium convention. The participants simply found low economic costs and higher benefits on including the Cannabis as a regulated substance, since they couldn’t extract any more value from the plant after the colonial era. But indirectly, Cannabis actually helped to set the foundations for the upcoming colonial and capitalist societies that flourished upon relying on those hard working and human exploitation regimes that happend back then.

 

[yesum]

So MustaFunk/Mustafa Link, just noticed that. What is the origin or origins of Jamaican Lambsbread then? I thought southern Indian but might be African or mixed?

I realize there were a number of Lambsbread strains as well. MysticFunk must have pushed the new name hehe.

 

[Montuno]

Ya bro but we need to keep in mind the difference between hemp and cannabis. My words and sentence was awkward i admit sorry.

Columbus monument in Barcelona
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https://hashmuseum.com/en/collection/columbus-and-cannabis

About the slavery we also need to keep in mind that there were African collaborators who were not slave!

And sincerely in absolute i think that the cannabis was already present in America before the arrival of hemp with Colombus. Maybe from the Vikings and even before from the Hyperboreans. That's for the East but from the Ouest there's also the Austronesians and up North by the Bering strait the Siberian shaman. ???

Hola, Roms.

I read you with a translator, but it looks like you're apologizing to me.
If so, you have no need to do so: how could you offend me by simply expressing a different opinion on this subject, and more politely?

Remember that the cannabis that the Spanish grew for fiber was already psychoactive. Remember how there are letters (in the Archive of the Indies, Sevilla, Spain) from the time when the Church complained to the Crown about how the popular classes got drunk (among them, the Native Americans, who knew about peyote, hallucinogenic mushrooms, etc., did not get drunk "with anything") smoking the flowers of the hemp destined to use their naval fleet...

Cannabis from the Spanish could have the following genetic origin:
1) That of the plantations inherited by the Kingdom of Castile when it conquered the Sultanate of Granada. These were supposed to be of Indian origin and were introduced by the Arabs. It has been proved that this cannabis was psychoactive, it was smoked in a pipe and its hashish was extracted to be at least ingested (In the thread "Did the vikings smoke weed?", we are debating if it was also smoked in those same pipes...)
2) Of the "new" genetics of cannabis introduced by the Portuguese from their African coastal colonies (Santo Tomas y Principe, Guinea, Angola, Mozambique...) in Portugal and Spain. These may also have been introduced from India to the Indian Ocean coast by the Arabs, or earlier; and by the Portuguese themselves (also from South India), later.
3) After the Spanish conquest of the Philippines, genetics of these islands and Southeast Asia

About you latter, beliefs are one thing, evidence is another.
The Vikings may have introduced hemp to America earlier; if so, it does not appear that hemp survived. The same goes for the Polynesians.
As for the first population of America by humans, I doubt very much that a pre-Peneolithic people who know nothing about agriculture would bother to carry seeds of anything, for they may not even have realized that these are the origin of where plants are born . And just as in the previous cases, it doesn't seem that this "possible cannabis" has survived either...

Cheers!


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[Roms]

so please stop posting any more lies and wasting more time with this.

Lol another sophism and upside down, Blablabla pity.

Kanza told me that he prefer make a mercantil business with the Vibesco, i told him about humanitarian association project! End of the subject, i gave up everything after knowing his plan!

Vaya con dios!