jamaican "lambsbread"
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Yes but just a little F6 batch to Dr Machel for now, thanks to Kush Kloud the passer, another more number is reserved for next months and years. With Mr Bushman no direct contact but years ago i've sent some to a Kingston native friend not really rasta but he assured me to transmit some with the Trenchtown's community.
Anyway step by step the thing is preserved to go back with them, that's also a question of education about their old sativa endangered. Need time but we hope that its conscious will root again.
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I agree, one of my best friend has a jamaïcain wife, and they go nearly every year in Jamaica to see family and they say to me that Lambsbread is an old word for ganja.
In the 90' it was "Highgrade", in the 2000' "Collie", etc...
I am a reggae listener/musician lover, since I had 10 years old, and I saw Bushman 3 times in concert.
He is know to be a great singer, in the leanage of Luciano, but he is not know to be a farmer in the circle.
He surely gives some really good seeds, but not necessary "the True Lambsbread", because it doesn't really mean anything.
Jamaïcan weeds have big Indian influences. Jamaica was an English colony like India, and lot of people come from India to JA in the 60'/70'.
Rasta's drealocks have their inspirations in some african tribal's hairdressing and from indian Sadhus.
If I understand ras tafari attitude to life right, very close to life of Sadhu indeed, then I think lambsbread means something like mana at Hawaii, some spiritual bread, spiritual feed.. infinite life energy, Sadhu would say prana.. and Henry Bergson would say elan vital..
hi, great post, but on this point:
the indentured labour system started in the 1830s
hundreds of tons of ganja were shipped from India to the Caribbean until into the 1930s
there was literally 100 years of ganja being shipped from India to Trinidad etc.
once cultivation was outlawed on the islands like Trinidad etc., it moved to Guyana
in the early 90s, when I was in the Caribbean, I saw old-school ganja in Guyana, Jamaica etc.
but in Kingston I saw what they called "chronic", which was modern stuff... the dirty flat high, aroma, and bud structure were all totally different from the traditional ganja
in the UK, I saw real Carribean ganja imports until the late 90s
any Caribbean imports I saw after that were bad quality hybrid stuff
fwiw, there's no doubt ganja came to the Caribbean with Indians, but the evidence for Africa is less clear
Bit of Cannabis history of Jamaica
by contrast, Trinidad and Guyana both passed laws in 1915 and 1913 that regulated (but didn't prohibit) import, meaning all imported ganja had to pass through bonded warehouses
legal import and export continued provided that neither country prohibited it, well into 1930s
same goes for Afghanistan, which exported hashish through India in the same era
legal import and export continued provided that neither country prohibited it, well into 1930s
same goes for Afghanistan, which exported hashish through India in the same era
Rembetis
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The Indian connection always made sense. Whatever it is the Jamaican climate makes it something special unlike the Indica types they are trying to grow now.
The other thing I dont get is why would someone want to go to a place like Jamaica and smoke the same weed you can get back home?
The other thing I dont get is why would someone want to go to a place like Jamaica and smoke the same weed you can get back home?
Aside from Jamaica being more than just ganjah, traditional varieties have been replaced for the same reasons they disappeared in other countries (Thailand, Nigeria, South Africa, Mexico, Colombia, etc.)
Not only that, Jamaicans want to grow kush for the same reason they want to grow it in California .....
Not only that, Jamaicans want to grow kush for the same reason they want to grow it in California .....
Yup,,, and it's a crying shame...
Two Rasta men whom I knew and stayed with at opposite ends of the island, both told me they smoked ganja because it made them think, and that made them smarter..
You don't get that with the hybrids and the Indicas grown there these days...
just my humble opinion..
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Kush and similar remind me of drinking alcohol. No lasting benefit. A somewhat dulling experience.
A good sativa can have lasting positive effects for the mind. I do not hate indicas/hybrids or think badly of them but no lasting benefit came from them.
A good sativa can have lasting positive effects for the mind. I do not hate indicas/hybrids or think badly of them but no lasting benefit came from them.
Vibes Yesum, in terms of landrace the majority of the indican side could be long lasting too, clear clean mind and spiritual trip is possible and present with kush. The other side couchlock, debilitating and mental vice really come from the occidental modern selection focused on the precocity and resin cover i think.
At sources in situ the general difference sati/indi is essentially physical and muscular with energic buzz or mellow and relax but both sides can have spiritual and no ceiling benefits imho.
(Illustrated by my work with the dreamy Mazar, i look forward to explore the cross and its fresh F2s with the Lambsbread btw)
At sources in situ the general difference sati/indi is essentially physical and muscular with energic buzz or mellow and relax but both sides can have spiritual and no ceiling benefits imho.
(Illustrated by my work with the dreamy Mazar, i look forward to explore the cross and its fresh F2s with the Lambsbread btw)
Rembetis
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I have the same opinion Bud. Havent seen anything there in the last several trips that I thought was interesting. That light cycle just doesnt let those genetics develop to their full potential.
I understand their interest in the Indicas, the grass is always greener etc but hopefully one day they will come back around to what really works there.
I understand their interest in the Indicas, the grass is always greener etc but hopefully one day they will come back around to what really works there.
romanoweed
Well-known member
@Roms @Mustafunk
But could you tell: how many Phenos did that Biologist keep? I mean i would rather tend to keep 500 of 1000 Plants, and open Pollinating them.. If i aim Preservation.
The Generations till you reach stabilisation would be way higher, well like ongoing for ever (like 100 Gen.) . But i suggest it would allow for a Richer Race.
I really really would love to hear about that.
But could you tell: how many Phenos did that Biologist keep? I mean i would rather tend to keep 500 of 1000 Plants, and open Pollinating them.. If i aim Preservation.
The Generations till you reach stabilisation would be way higher, well like ongoing for ever (like 100 Gen.) . But i suggest it would allow for a Richer Race.
I really really would love to hear about that.
troutman
Seed Whore
A good Sativa will make you want to grab a surfboard to catch some waves.
An Indica will make you want to grab a couch to couchsurf while you order food.
@Romanoweed
As has already been said there was very little parents and kinship since the start with Rahan.
We are growers with little boxes man so this Lambsbread is a selected line since the start. The best specimens possible simply has been selected... However it should be borne in mind that a landrace genetics have a certain infinity and even with a drastic selection there remains a good diversity.
It should be also understood that landrace has many specimens closer to hemp so the open pollination notion is relative. If you don't select good specimens you quickly devalue the thing! That's why the inbreeding is needed to refine a landrace! Don't be misunderstood by the open poll notion and influence often misinterpreted!!!
So please select your landrace before reproducing them otherwise there is a great chance of reproducing bad attibutes ya know!
As has already been said there was very little parents and kinship since the start with Rahan.
We are growers with little boxes man so this Lambsbread is a selected line since the start. The best specimens possible simply has been selected... However it should be borne in mind that a landrace genetics have a certain infinity and even with a drastic selection there remains a good diversity.
It should be also understood that landrace has many specimens closer to hemp so the open pollination notion is relative. If you don't select good specimens you quickly devalue the thing! That's why the inbreeding is needed to refine a landrace! Don't be misunderstood by the open poll notion and influence often misinterpreted!!!
So please select your landrace before reproducing them otherwise there is a great chance of reproducing bad attibutes ya know!
A good Sativa will make you want to grab a surfboard to catch some waves.
An Indica will make you want to grab a couch to couchsurf while you order food.
^^
Indica are for morey surfing and even better without a board at all i would say!
romanoweed
Well-known member
@Roms I would tend to rather keep 500 of 1000 Plants, so this is Selection/keeping Hempy Plants out.
I was adressing ONLY the Amount of Keepers, again: 500 of 1000 Plants keeping, and the Conseuence of that Scenario might be open Pollination needed.
I was adressing ONLY the Amount of Keepers, again: 500 of 1000 Plants keeping, and the Conseuence of that Scenario might be open Pollination needed.
