jamaican "lambsbread"

[Roms]

@Montuno, gracias for your opinion!

My fresh 2020 F6s, grow by 2st4this :

Thank you brotha good luck with them!

Vigorous generation with us no problemo!!!

For the other Spanish line (Blan-k-flor / Mustafunk) i don't know, please do report if you have tested them!

 

[GoatCheese]

So MustaFunk/Mustafa Link, just noticed that. What is the origin or origins of Jamaican Lambsbread then? I thought southern Indian but might be African or mixed?

I realize there were a number of Lambsbread strains as well. MysticFunk must have pushed the new name hehe.

Hi.
According to Phylos, Jamaican lines are related to Columbians and both those are elated to SE Asian cannabis.
Here's a profile for a Lambsbread sent in by Sam. If you click the number "6" in relatives-table it will show few different Columbian relatives and you can see many Columbians, Jamaicans and Thais (..and Kerala and many Africans) grouped quite close together if you open the 3D Galaxy view.
https://phylos.bio/sims/variety/CRT-1685/david-watson/jamaican-lambsbread-6070

S. Indian lines are related to Thai and N. Indian lines, and so are S.African lines. Meaning S.African cannabis was brought there from other places (SE Asia, India) . Cannabis isn't indigenous Africa. All the African sativas people talk about and grow here were brought to Africa from somewhere else (SE Asia, India, Central Asia)


Cannabis in Asia: its center of origin and early cultivation, based on a synthesis of subfossil pollen and archaeobotanical studies
https://link.springer.com/epdf/10.1...JIHjzpQZ27a6aPyQG_xiy0f0n1KVUwesdN1SfW75LAMEw==




Edit:
Here's a link where you can download the above study paper as a pdf:
https://eprints.nottingham.ac.uk/56...ossil pollen and archaeobotanical studies.pdf

 

[ngakpa]

Bueno, según los vedas, la semilla cayó del cielo.

They found traces of cocaine in Egyptian mummies, so if there was a trade between the Americas and Egypt back in the days, the natives from America would have known this herb too, d ince Egyptians used Cannabis as medicine and perhaps also as incense.

There's no solid evidence for the Egyptians cultivating or using Cannabis

And the finds of cocaine traces etc. are not taken seriously. If actual cocaine, it's obviously from modern tomb thieves

Angola and India are the two well-documented routes for ganja (not hemp) reaching the Americas

the involvement of the Spanish is way more tenuous, especially this idea that the cultivation of hashish crops in the Emirate of Granada passed on to Isabella and Ferdinand!

if the Spanish had any involvement in introducing ganja, then the Pacific route from the Spanish East Indies is much more likely

worth noting, all European shipping employed lascars

lascars almost always came from traditional ganja regions, one of the main ones being Bengal

lascars were often Malays too, e.g. from Aceh

there was ganja consumption on most European shipping throughout the colonial era, and throughout ports - one of the earliest references being how strong the smoke smelled at an East India Company factory (warehouse) in Indonesia

 

[ngakpa]

Hi.
According to Phylos, Jamaican lines are related to Columbians and both those are elated to SE Asian cannabis.
Here's a profile for a Lambsbread sent in by Sam. If you click the number "6" in relatives-table it will show few different Columbian relatives and you can see many Columbians, Jamaicans and Thais (..and Kerala and many Africans) grouped quite close together if you open the 3D Galaxy view.

S. Indian lines are related to Thai and N. Indian lines, and so are S.African lines. Meaning S.African cannabis was brought there from other places (SE Asia, India) . Cannabis isn't indigenous Africa. All the African sativas people talk about and grow here were brought to Africa from somewhere else (SE Asia, India, Central Asia)

this is what you'd expect

an interesting question being the extent to which Central Asian genetics diffused into Africa through Egypt and the rest of north Africa

our Sudanese suggests that may have happened along the Nile and northeast Africa

but clearly the main type of Cannabis globalized during colonialism was ganja, i.e. tropical landraces ultimately from India and the East Indies

 

[GoatCheese]

this is what you'd expect

an interesting question being the extent to which Central Asian genetics diffused into Africa through Egypt and the rest of north Africa

our Sudanese suggests that may have happened along the Nile and northeast Africa

but clearly the main type of Cannabis globalized during colonialism was ganja, i.e. tropical landraces ultimately from India and the East Indies

Yea, from photos i've seen on the "african sativas"-thread here, some Ethiopian plants show similar traits as some plants in Lebanese line you were selling few years ago. ...more sativa looks than on the Lebs but clearly similar; distant relatives. ..large leaves, a mix of thin and broad leaf types.


That thread is so vast and i don't feel too well atm, otherwise i'd go look for those Ethiopian photos for you guys. But try to find photos of Lebanese sativas and Ethiopian plants and you might see what i mean.

 

[romanoweed]

but clearly the main type of Cannabis globalized during colonialism was ganja, i.e. tropical landraces ultimately from India and the East Indies

Probably the most mass of Ganja is from there, but Gotcheese mentiones that closes Relatives acording Phylos of Lambsbred is Columbian, and clocest relatives of Columbian, South African, South Indian being THAI. So for me its obvious how exact this Finding overlays with the biggest Legends: trippy Columbian, trippy Durban, (trippy Southindian). Only a theory. Probably only few Imports finaylly were held onto.

Its funny but i rarely preffer other Landraces other than SEAsians, Vibes Lambsbred i doo like...

 

[GoatCheese]

Probably the most mass of Ganja is from there, but Gotcheese mentiones that closes Relatives acording Phylos of Lambsbred is Columbian, and clocest relatives of Columbian, South African, South Indian being THAI. So for me its obvious how exact this Finding overlays with the biggest Legends: trippy Columbian, trippy Durban, (trippy Southindian). Only a theory. Probably only few Imports finaylly were held onto.

Its funny but i rarely preffer other Landraces other than SEAsians, Vibes Lambsbred i doo like...

My theory why Keralan, S African and Central American lines seem to be related to Thai/Se Asian is because these genetics arrived from Thailand/SE ASia to other areas (across the seas) aboard Trade Company ships (Dutch, Brits etc.)

 

[mexcurandero420]

There's no solid evidence for the Egyptians cultivating or using Cannabis

And the finds of cocaine traces etc. are not taken seriously. If actual cocaine, it's obviously from modern tomb thieves

Angola and India are the two well-documented routes for ganja (not hemp) reaching the Americas

the involvement of the Spanish is way more tenuous, especially this idea that the cultivation of hashish crops in the Emirate of Granada passed on to Isabella and Ferdinand!

if the Spanish had any involvement in introducing ganja, then the Pacific route from the Spanish East Indies is much more likely

worth noting, all European shipping employed lascars

lascars almost always came from traditional ganja regions, one of the main ones being Bengal

lascars were often Malays too, e.g. from Aceh

there was ganja consumption on most European shipping throughout the colonial era, and throughout ports - one of the earliest references being how strong the smoke smelled at an East India Company factory (warehouse) in Indonesia

Weed found in a 2700 year old temple in Israel.

They also found traces of tobacco in the mummies.Cocaine was first isolated in 1859 and later in 1880 popular as medicine or recreation.Contamination can only be occured among western archeologists in that period.

Btw don't think that the Spanish Catholic Church approved the use of ganja.

 

[Roms]

Good point Mex' gracias, even if Egyptian were not big travelers across oceans, other powerful travelers people from the North protoceltic or South went to meet and trade with them i think.

My theory why Keralan, S African and Central American lines seem to be related to Thai/Se Asian is because these genetics arrived from Thailand/SE ASia to other areas (across the seas) aboard Trade Company ships (Dutch, Brits etc.)

Austronesians From South Asia to Madagascar and to central America a very long time ago, protohistoric vibes again!
Thanks Goa'!

 

[ngakpa]

They also found traces of tobacco in the mummies.Cocaine was first isolated in 1859 and later in 1880 popular as medicine or recreation.Contamination can only be occured among western archeologists in that period.

Egypt was full of heroin and cocaine in the late 19th and early 20th centuries

The severe heroin problem in urban Egypt is the main cause of the hysteria that led to the first attempts at international drug prohibition

The hard drugs were getting imported from European pharmaceutical companies

Btw don't think that the Spanish Catholic Church approved the use of ganja.

you don't say...

 

[ngakpa]

Yea, from photos i've seen on the "african sativas"-thread here, some Ethiopian plants show similar traits as some plants in Lebanese line you were selling few years ago. ...more sativa looks than on the Lebs but clearly similar; distant relatives. ..large leaves, a mix of thin and broad leaf types.


That thread is so vast and i don't feel too well atm, otherwise i'd go look for those Ethiopian photos for you guys. But try to find photos of Lebanese sativas and Ethiopian plants and you might see what i mean.

we still have the Lebanese, and yes, from the few pictures I've seen, there does seem to be a degree of resemblance between Middle Eastern and East African landraces

it's what you'd expect really, seeing how the history suggests the Middle East was a major route by which Cannabis culture diffused out of Asia into Africa with the qalandars

 

[ngakpa]

My theory why Keralan, S African and Central American lines seem to be related to Thai/Se Asian is because these genetics arrived from Thailand/SE ASia to other areas (across the seas) aboard Trade Company ships (Dutch, Brits etc.)

they're all related because they all ultimately originate from South Asia

 

[aeroponique2]

My theory:

Thai/Cambodian but more probably Vietnam coast -> Philipins
and later Philipins -> Mexico coast by ship

There was ships from America to Philipins (and back with goods) to trade silver metal with China during centuries...

In recent period, with drug trafficking expansion, the Narcos started importing seeds from traditionally hashish producing and exporting countries (first Lebanese, then Afgh/Pak) to increase production and shortening flowering.

Even another theory is the Lebanese migrants provided seeds to Mexicans.

I always seen the Lambsbread as a Colombian X South-Indian mix... remember culture and plants are often linked, specially spiritual plants...

Seems to me that South-Indian strains are more spirituality inducing than South-American strains....

 

[mexcurandero420]

The BOEL imported Lebanese seeds into Mexico and the early pharmaceutical companies were also responsible for the introduction of the drug Cannabis thnx to their seed collectors.In 1851 Cannabis was included in the American pharmacopoeia.

 

[aeroponique2]

The BOEL imported Lebanese seeds into Mexico and the early pharmaceutical companies were also responsible for the introduction of the drug Cannabis thnx to their seed collectors.In 1851 Cannabis was included in the American pharmacopoeia.

ok. I suppose pharma companies took some seeds in India? or was it Sumatra, like i have read about Colombian strains?

 

[mexcurandero420]

ok. I suppose pharma companies took some seeds in India? or was it Sumatra, like i have read about Colombian strains?

The Dutch brought Indian Cannabis to Aceh in 19th century , where it was used as a repellent plant against caterpillars in their coffee plantations.

US pharmaceutical companies were also responsible and brought seeds from Borneo to Colombia for their medicinal variety project in the 1930s till the Marijuana Tax Act came into action.

 

[ngakpa]

The Dutch brought Indian Cannabis to Aceh in 19th century , where it was used as a repellent plant against caterpillars in their coffee plantations.

it's true that Cannabis is interplanted with coffee in Sumatra

but Cannabis was cultivated commmercially in Aceh for export to India for at least two hundred years before the 19th century

some records suggest Cannabis has been in Sumatra since the ninth or tenth centuries, arriving with the first Muslims and Sufis

 

[ngakpa]

The BOEL imported Lebanese seeds into Mexico

have you got any evidence to substantiate this?

I've spoken with BoEL hash smugglers, and this is news to me

 

[ngakpa]

Even another theory is the Lebanese migrants provided seeds to Mexicans.

keep seeing people on forums bringing up this idea that Lebanese people had some role in introducing Cannabis to Mexico or Brazil...

it's safe to assume the Lebanese diaspora had naff at all to do with spreading Cannabis

first, very few Lebanese are involved in commercial Cannabis cultivation except a handful of minority tribal communites in Bekaa

second, Lebanese plants perform terribly in the tropics

third, Cannabis was already in Mexico, Venezuala and Brazil eons before Lebanese started immigrating there

 

[mexcurandero420]

it's true that Cannabis is interplanted with coffee in Sumatra

but Cannabis was cultivated commmercially in Aceh for export to India for at least two hundred years before the 19th century

some records suggest Cannabis has been in Sumatra since the ninth or tenth centuries, arriving with the first Muslims and Sufis

According to an Indonesian article about the history of Cannabis in Indonesia, they did recognize the plants what the Dutch brought out of India. Possibility is that with the introduction of Islam in Indonesia which was brought by Persians according to a harbor master at Ternate in a Dutch documentary, that also Cannabis as hashish and seeds were brought with them.