ICMAG Administration endorses The Regulate, Control and Tax Cannabis Act of 2010

[toasted1]

i believe its gonna pass because simply smokers outnumber growers and ur adv smoker dont give a fuck bout the growing restrict all they read is LEGAL
when 100,000 more ppl start growin it will make it damn near impossible to regulate/tax

i hope it passes cuz it would make me feel alot better a bout goin infront of a jury here in FLA if im ever popped and make it alot easier to point out how ridiculous and wastefull our laws are here


my vote counts 3 times in cali so dont say its not my vote


stay safe
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[REZDOG]

With some hesitation,Reservoir Seeds also endorses The Regulate, Control and Tax Cannabis Act of 2010.

 

[binaryfission]

California is the 7th largest economy inthe world. That means that there are only six nations that have bigger economies. When legalization and taxation are seen to work and the rest of the country see's the cash flow to the state I think more pressure will be put on the rest of the country to get on board. Lets face it most states are hurting for money as are the

we stopped alcohol prohibition for money. empirical proof

also,

gypsies argument concerning the imf is in my opinion flawed and weak. the imf gives out money with conditions. nothing good comes from taking money from the imf. in fact doing so only makes it stronger.

i have no idea why i would want to support this regulation of cannibus act in order to allow less developed countries to enslave themselves to big money interests.

BOss, do you know anything about the IMF? They withhold money from places that have liberal drug laws. We are talking third world countries here. SO, if Jamaica is allowed to suddenly sell its products legally in the US then the IMF has less control.

Gypsy is arguing that the IMF's evil stranglehold over the third world would be weakened.

NOTE: imagine if we established fair trade standards in Calif. (your such a detective) that coudl be replicated in Jamaica and the Rif and Thailand and Afghanistan. Imagine if the worlds 6th largest economy got this ball rolling. It is posible.

Where did I get my knickers in a wad? Where am I being condescending?

If anyone is being condescending....it may be you. Comments about learning from enlightened liberal places....indicates to me....that you think I know nothing of it. The Analogy comment was meant the same way....baiting and condescending. Your international collectivism points of view....are to me....condescending.

No man or political governing body....should have the right or power to tell an individual what he/she may grow.

I have no beef with you lady....you seem to not much care for me though. Such is life.

I agree. I think DG was the aggressor here. She definitely came across as condescending to me.

The timing on this couldn't be better. If this Bill passes, Obama has promised to let the States decide for themselves. Obama will need California to get reelected. He has to be smart enough to know that if Cali passes this Law and he shoots it down he WILL NOT win the State of California in the next election......

I have friends in Cali, and although I feel for your finacial interests in this, I have to go with what I feel right. And that is to make sure that adults can grow their own Cannabis and enjoy knowing they won't lose their jobs, families or Liberties if arrested.....

YES!! And even if Prop 19 fails. Oakland already passed its measures. It is going forward regardless. Berkley and San Leandro are next. This is going to be a huge issue in November.

Lastly, a prediction. Expect to see lots of hispanic people south of the border killing people in september/october. Negative press and a reason to legalize. El Paso has a decrim measure on its books. Has been delayed for a few years by the mayor. El Paso is one of the safest cities in the US BUT, just over the rio grande 2500+ people got murdered in Juarez, last year;, decapitated and burned in acid. (Less than 500 were murdered in New York last year. Less than 2,500 in their most violent year 1990. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/29/nyregion/29murder.html) That is called discipline folks. The Zetas want this. They are ready to go legitimate. You are worried about Monsanto. lol try and compete against the people who supplied americas pot for decades. they are ready. they have clout. they have lobbyists. and , Oh yeah, they have money tons of money. literally tons. anyone checked who the world's richest man is lately? MuthaF*cking Carlos Slim, http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/03/11/business/main6287862.shtml, lol. Dude even has a gangster name.

 

[nomaad]

I've heard nothing but shit from a few dicks here.

even if I agreed with you on some of your points, you're one of the most beligerent and inappropriate posters in this thread. You've managed to insert derogatory insults in almost every one of your posts. With that kind of technique, it doesn;t matter what you are saying. Nobody is listening.

Just a word on the IMF. Anything that keeps a poor country off the IMF teet is a GOOD thing. The drug war stipulations are just the beginning of what makes a deal with the IMF the absolute worst thing that a developing nation can do. I suggest that anybody who wants to learn more about this subject read Confessions of an Economic Hitman. It will blow your mind.

 

[Budweiser13]

Sorry folks I am voting NO and most people I know are also voting NO. This is not going to save anyone from getting locked up...Good luck though...peace...

 

[mullray]

even if I agreed with you on some of your points, you're one of the most beligerent and inappropriate posters in this thread. You've managed to insert derogatory insults in almost every one of your posts. With that kind of technique, it doesn;t matter what you are saying. Nobody is listening.

Just a word on the IMF. Anything that keeps a poor country off the IMF teet is a GOOD thing. The drug war stipulations are just the beginning of what makes a deal with the IMF the absolute worst thing that a developing nation can do. I suggest that anybody who wants to learn more about this subject read Confessions of an Economic Hitman. It will blow your mind.

That last piece of mine actually started with a quote that has been deleted "eat sht (sp) mullray". I quoted it with "eat sht mullray" and added "learn to spell kid". Sorry I can't help what the mods choose to delete - although seemingly my posts aren't offensive enough to delete.

So it seems a few people are listening. Legalizing cannabis will screw the IMF further (legalizing cocaine and all other drugs even more) - not aid them and that is my point. This whole IMF thing started as a bogus scare campaign that came to pass with a lame attempt to pass blame elsewhere.

"you're one of the most beligerent and inappropriate posters in this thread. You've managed to insert derogatory insults in almost every one of your posts." Lol - yes I have! When people flick insults at me I'm always good for them...

 

[Babbabud]

Well the insults will stop or your post will We can debate .. but when name calling starts then you reap what you sow.

 

[OjoRojo420]

Its all good in the hood!

Wish I was in Cali

 

[binaryfission]

agreed IMF is evil. It is a central bank. Central banks are the beginnings of socialism and end to a free market (money is the most over regulated item in our daily life; opposite of "free" as in market.) but we aren't stopping it, or them anytime soon. and in no way should Prop 19 be connected to it or them. PLEASE.

+1 on Confession's of an Economic Hitman being legit.

 

[mullray]

we stopped alcohol prohibition for money. empirical proof



BOss, do you know anything about the IMF? They withhold money from places that have liberal drug laws. We are talking third world countries here. SO, if Jamaica is allowed to suddenly sell its products legally in the US then the IMF has less control.

Gypsy is arguing that the IMF's evil stranglehold over the third world would be weakened.

NOTE: imagine if we established fair trade standards in Calif. (your such a detective) that coudl be replicated in Jamaica and the Rif and Thailand and Afghanistan. Imagine if the worlds 6th largest economy got this ball rolling. It is posible.



I agree. I think DG was the aggressor here. She definitely came across as condescending to me.



YES!! And even if Prop 19 fails. Oakland already passed its measures. It is going forward regardless. Berkley and San Leandro are next. This is going to be a huge issue in November.

Lastly, a prediction. Expect to see lots of hispanic people south of the border killing people in september/october. Negative press and a reason to legalize. El Paso has a decrim measure on its books. Has been delayed for a few years by the mayor. El Paso is one of the safest cities in the US BUT, just over the rio grande 2500+ people got murdered in Juarez, last year;, decapitated and burned in acid. (Less than 500 were murdered in New York last year. Less than 2,500 in their most violent year 1990. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/29/nyregion/29murder.html) That is called discipline folks. The Zetas want this. They are ready to go legitimate. You are worried about Monsanto. lol try and compete against the people who supplied americas pot for decades. they are ready. they have clout. they have lobbyists. and , Oh yeah, they have money tons of money. literally tons. anyone checked who the world's richest man is lately? MuthaF*cking Carlos Slim, http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/03/11/business/main6287862.shtml, lol. Dude even has a gangster name.

Yep, never a truer word said. Legalize all drugs and the prices will fall significantly to a point where organized crime is no longer in the picture. I don't necessarily adhere to pointing the finger at the Hispanics because there's probably more white organized crime in the mj game than people of color. Personally I'd rather buy my pot from Monsanto than the HA ---- better yet I'd rather grow it and know my door isn't going to be blown off at 2am in the morning by the DEA.

 

[binaryfission]

the Hispanics are just the scapegoat. All those "it was mexicans with ak's in national forest," stories. ... yeah right. I grew up in the south. It was always a tall black guy, who did everything. The hispanics also are the biggest most visual cartels involved in the mj market. They have already been used to show a negative alternative.

Grow the cartels or legalize pot.
Grow the mafia or legalize alcohol.
Grow the crown or legalize liberty.

 

[purple_man]

go go yankees! (guess the first time in life i said this

i hope all goes well, despite all the naysayers... would be a fundamental move, to the end of the global prohibition (my 2 dirham...)

blessss

 

[bluekush]

nor cal won't let this pass

 

[nomaad]

nor cal does not account for a huge percentage of the california electorate. unless you're including the Bay area. If you're talking exclusively about the norcal voters in the all-we've-got-is-ganja counties north of sonoma, you are talking about a tiny and weak voting block compared to the urban centers of california. Not to mention the fact that in November, most people who would vote no will be up to their eyeballs in trim scene.

 

[rives]

"nor cal won't let this pass" - now that's funny! As a life-long, multi-generational, NorCal resident, I can tell you that our votes long ago stopped having any impact on the direction of this state. As a former lumber industry worker, I can also tell you for certain that it was destroyed by well-intentioned voters with absolutely no understanding of the issues. Southern california and the bay area invariably overwhelm the desires of the folks in the north state. In this case, however, it may be a good thing. Vote yes on 19.

 

[2Lazy]

The reason this won't pass is because of all the ignorance. If the online population here is representative of Californian voters it should be no surprise when potheads vote against a bill that legalizes their actions. It's asinine at the highest level.

First off, Prop 19 will not change the rules imposed by SB215. If there is overlap it would be to allow a med patient to grow more plants than they are currently allowed in the 25sqft foot print. This allows more options to med growers, not less. Med patients will benefit from this bill passing in many ways, including lower prices for their medicine. Where it will get confusing is if there is a med grower and a non-med grower producing in the same house.

Secondly. You get to keep what you grow. The one ounce rule is for when you are out an about. If you harvest 2 pounds every 3 months, and after a year you have 5 pounds laying around then that is just fine under this law. READ IT FOR YOURSELF!

Thirdly, There is not going to be a monopoly on pot. America is very careful about monopolies and this irrational fear needs to be abandoned. Oakland just put out 4 licenses in their city. FOUR!!! Not One. Other cities will have the option to do the same thing, and this will increase market competition which is so classically capitalist I don't know how you get to monopoly.

Lastly, VOTE YES! Get your bong legalized. Get your pipe legalized. Car smells like pot when you get pulled over? NOT PROBABLE CAUSE!!! House smells like pot? NOT PROBABLE CAUSE!!!

Of all the reasons to vote yes it's this. What you are doing now is illegal (unless you're a med patient), and if it passes then there is far less "reason" for a cop to be suspicious that you're breaking the law and acquiring the search warrant is going to be VERY difficult.

If you smoke or grow pot and you do not vote yes for this law then you're an outright idiot in my book. I have yet to hear a reasonable argument against the law.

So if it allows you to smoke and grow, if it regulates the market and drives out the criminal industry, if it keeps everyone safe from probable cause, if it doesn't impact SB 215 negatively, if it allows a person to have their harvest in the place it was grown... then what's the big deal?!?!?!? How is this not a "No Brainer."

IMO, Prop. 19 opponents have not read the bill for themselves. They have been brainwashed by someone and they refuse to think for themselves.

 

[mullray]

nor cal won't let this pass

Nor Cal won't count for much. The med scene is being localized in urban centers like San Fran, LA and Oakland. With legal weed, permits and major legal indoor grows Nor Cal isn't on the radar and isn't needed and that's the beef of a few who have become green capitalists in the Emerald Triangle.

"Well the insults will stop or your post will

We can debate .. but when name calling starts then you reap what you sow. " (babbabud) True - however you will note that I didn't begin throwing insults until insults were thrown at me. Apologies, I'll do my best to be civil.

 

[vta]

Imagine this...your driving and get pulled over. Cop comes up to the window. "Is that marywanna I smell?" well's that's when you say "Yeah Man...it's killer shit..would you like to try some?" Either you get high with him and you just found a new friend:friends:...or you get that speeding ticket.

 

[THE PABLOS]

Imagine this...your driving and get pulled over. Cop comes up to the window. "Is that marywanna I smell?" well's that's when you say "Yeah Man...it's killer shit..would you like to try some?" Either you get high with him and you just found a new friend:friends:...or you get that speeding ticket.

more likely a DUI lol....

 

[vta]

if your high..

but still...it's gonna be way different..at any angle