ICMAG Administration endorses The Regulate, Control and Tax Cannabis Act of 2010

[Shangri-la]

http://www.examiner.com/x-14883-Santa-Cruz-County-Drug-Policy-Examiner~y2010m7d16-Californias-Proposition-19-will-supersede-or-amend-its-medical-marijuana-laws?cid=examiner-email

READ IT.
READ IT ALL and judge for yourself. Don't be a sheep. Be an informed voter.

 

[JJScorpio]

http://www.examiner.com/x-14883-Santa-Cruz-County-Drug-Policy-Examiner~y2010m7d16-Californias-Proposition-19-will-supersede-or-amend-its-medical-marijuana-laws?cid=examiner-email

READ IT.
READ IT ALL and judge for yourself. Don't be a sheep. Be an informed voter.

That's funny. Dragonfly De La Luz is definitely not a Lawyer, lol..... I think National Enquirer posted the same thing.

This got me thinking. Why does it matter if it did super cede 215, which it doesn't? Where does it hurt the patient? From my view they would have a wider choice of less expensive quality Cannabis. That's not a bad thing.

Listen, I understand that people that supply and sell Cannabis to medical patients do not want this to pass. And I don't care. A lot of people think the price has been out of control for a long time. I'm sorry but it's how I feel. If this law passes, within one year med patients should be paying half to three quarters of what they are now, with as good or better quality. Once passed, there will be a lot of great growers that are no longer afraid and will grow for a patient without fear of arrest.

Regarding the Federal Govt arresting people, this might just be the thing that makes them take a legal stand. That's a good thing on it's own......

 

[vta]

http://www.examiner.com/x-14883-Santa-Cruz-County-Drug-Policy-Examiner~y2010m7d16-Californias-Proposition-19-will-supersede-or-amend-its-medical-marijuana-laws?cid=examiner-email

READ IT.
READ IT ALL and judge for yourself. Don't be a sheep. Be an informed voter.

lol...you post that link yet say don't be a sheep????

Just about everything in there is bs.

However...I do suggest everyone read it...then read this rebuttal.

 

[dagnabit]

.sounds like an open healthy market to me.

an "open healthy market" artificially inflated by the risks associated with prohibition is neither "open" nor "healthy"

 

[tokinafaty420]

an "open healthy market" artificially inflated by the risks associated with prohibition is neither "open" nor "healthy"

Its not an open market just b/c there is a choice. lol He knows it, just doesn't want to admit it. Whenever there is risk to welfare or life, the price goes up. The fact that the Federal government will not just say "okay we lost, have fun smoking and growing" means that the price will not drop. The federal government itself is responsible for the inflated prices. Until they accept cannabis use in our society it'll never be an "open and free" market.

 

[Nirvana_Papaya]

I'm all for this. Even if the feds are against it, they don't have the man power to take down all the little guys, who will no longer be busted by the locals. Feds, if they do get involved will only be going after big time growers. No matter what, it's a step in the right direction. Even if only to be a slap in the face to the federal government, it's the right thing to do.

 

[hotmellons]

sound like civil war

 

[Shangri-la]

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[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

Everyone I know is voting yes. Time to start working on a much larger scale.... there is more to weed than just end turn retail sales. All this will do is seperate the fools from the crowd, who have been piggybacking their success on others ignorance and are starting to realize their niche will become extinct.

Funny how the only people knocking this are micro growers and minors who are pissed that it's 21 and not 18 or 14 or whatever their fucking age is...

 

[Strapped]

Wow, I never thought that non-smokers would be the ones making it legal. Yet if there is this much descent among the icmag community... it might just go down like that.

How anyone can think that voting yes on prop 19 would make things worse boggles my mind. That would be the only excuse to vote no, if it made things worse.

 

[JJScorpio]

I require more than 1 oz in my possession.
I require more than 5' x 5' to grow my yearly supply.
It should be my decision whether or not I chose to medicate in the presence of my college aged child.

If I am mistaken, I am open to someone showing me the exact language of prop 19 that would protect all existing rights of prop 215 patients.

You can only carry around one ounce outside your home. If you grew and stored 5 pounds it's not illegal. And you aren't limited to the 5 by 5 once a year. Depending on the strain you can do 6 or 8 grows. I'd flower 25 clones in one gallon pots if it were me.

 

[someotherguy]

Originally Posted by Shangri-la

I require more than 1 oz in my possession.
I require more than 5' x 5' to grow my yearly supply.
It should be my decision whether or not I chose to medicate in the presence of my college aged child.

If I am mistaken, I am open to someone showing me the exact language of prop 19 that would protect all existing rights of prop 215 patients.

You can only carry around one ounce outside your home. If you grew and stored 5 pounds it's not illegal. And you aren't limited to the 5 by 5 once a year. Depending on the strain you can do 6 or 8 grows. I'd flower 25 clones in one gallon pots if it were me.

no shit man! i grow inside a little cab strictly to feed
my head and i'm able to grow plenty of high grade
shit, way freekin better than when i had to pay for it!

i haven't smoked a whole ounce in one sitting in a long time!

thoughts of what i could do with a 5 by 5 just give me goose bumps!

and if i want to smoke in front of my kids still under 21
then i'm already doing it, why would i be more likely to
be popped after legalization? ...my house has never been
searched in over 40 years of smokin' the ganj.

and not for nothing but all legal products are taxed,
every freekin one, why should cannabis be any different?

way better to pay taxes than to pay attorney's fees!
...and maybe go to jail anyway.

what do you think. let's ask JoeSchmoe what he thinks,
or WhiskeyTango or any of the others rotting in jail so you
can sell your weed for $400.00 a zip.

we have to start somewhere and California can be the
tip of the spear that changes the future for all of our
children, ...for all of the world!

free the weed! (even if it isn't a perfect bill)

peace, SOG

 

[Dutchgrown]

Thanks JJ for pointing out to the masses here our position regarding this highly debated topic. As administrators of this site, we are all most united on this topic.

..when ICmag votes in California....let me know.

So you come dine in this house here provided by a gracious host, enjoy your meal while socializing with other guests, yet take a dump in the front yard, while belching from the fine cuisine you ate. ICMag is comprised of members from all around the globe where the majority are in locations that cannabis is still taboo, and fall under draconian laws concerning this very misunderstood plant. California is but a dot on a much bigger map...but is a place that many other locations around the globe both inside and outside of N.America might consider when reform to their own laws is sought. This topic has far reaching ramifications...much further than one state.

Although passage of this law serves only one state at this time, and on a state only level, maybe it brings about change on a Federal level, although I have my doubts,....and maybe the change brought about on a USA Federal level will have implications in adopting less strenuous laws elsewhere.....tax or no tax. That can be seen as nothing but a good thing for those who truly love the plant.

The only reason I can fathom that anyone would NOT wish to see cannabis legalized is one of greed. In my opinion, you should be thinking more outside the box as a member of this international community here, instead of inside your pockets. Swarmy is as swarmy gets.

As a breeder, if legalization in California caused a snowball effect for legalization in other places around the globe, and in turn a diminished demand for seeds, then I look at that as a most positive move, but will continue working to preserve and improve cannabis genetics for myself irregardless. There will always be those who grow from clone, and there will always be those who want to find their own mother plant, or do their own seed making, from seeds provided by many different breeders around this globe as well.

If given the option to pay tax and not be penalized, or not pay tax and be penalized I'd gladly pay the tax....if I was in a California resident. And just because I am not, does not mean this topic is of no concern to me, or every grower, or those who rely upon it for medical purposes, or those who partake in recreational use, irregardless of location.


DG

 

[Voodoo]

THANK YOU ICMAG! I thought I was taking crazy pills reading some of the anti legalization sentiment.

 

[nomaad]

I believe that by mentioning 215 without exception, the measure accepts its provisions.

JJScorpio: I definitely see your perspective. I'll be considering both sides of this one till the moment I vote. One point I would like to make is that many of the communities of northern california were devastated when the logging industry shut down. That devastation was ameliorated by 215... which gave otherwise optionless people control over their lives. Many people from those communities are afraid of losing their livelihood again. To call them greedy is disingenuous and ultimately unfair. Its hard to think globally when you are worried about the economic future of your family.

Are there some people against this bill who have nothing but greed in their hearts? Sure. But there are also some people who are for it with an equal measure.

I will probably vote for the bill for reasons that include some of the points you bring up... but its not without a measure of apprehension about the direction it will drive the industry and the effect it will have on the small ganja farming communities of Norcal.

 

[nomaad]

The only reason I can fathom that anyone would NOT wish to see cannabis legalized is one of greed. In my opinion, you should be thinking more outside the box as a member of this international community here, instead of inside your pockets.

see above post.

maybe it brings about change on a Federal level, although I have my doubts,.

me too. i see a federal challenge much like the one against Arizona's new fascist immigration law. its going to be real interesting to see how this plays out.

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

Hmmm, and GUESS how much money Gypsy would stand to make if legalization passes. I SURE that has nothing to do with his "opinion" right????

lol.

.....Well I probably won't be shipping many seeds to California anymore.....since if cannabis is legal to be sold in California, then so would the seeds of the plant be.....and I for-see many new seed companies sprouting up in California with many new and older breeders/seed makers supplying them and most probably distributing the seeds through-out California and possibly the rest of the USA from there....which is all good.....it will grow more growers and breed more breeders.....

So unless I am prepared to set up a seed distribution point within California (if Prop 19 passes)......I expect to see a drop in seed sales.....but that doesn't really concern me because there is a FAR BIGGER PICTURE HERE than me loosing some business income.....

Prop 19 passing will mean that responsible adults in California will be able to GROW CANNABIS and SMOKE/CONSUME CANNABIS.....without risking their LIBERTY and FUTURE!!

....so if you are Californian......and able to vote.....please VOTE YES TO PROPOSITION 19!!!

 

[localhero]

With all due respect,

Marijuana is already legal in california. mmj laws in cali offer more protections than this tax law does. read through the bill everyone please. what it will do is open the door for large scale commercial grows operated by big business with prohibitive liscensing fees.

medical marijuana has kept the cali scene relatively free from the influence of big business.

id like to keep it that way.


ps- if you dissagree with me on this bill, please do it for reasons other than "legalization"

 

[THE PABLOS]

Its not an open market just b/c there is a choice. lol He knows it, just doesn't want to admit it. Whenever there is risk to welfare or life, the price goes up. The fact that the Federal government will not just say "okay we lost, have fun smoking and growing" means that the price will not drop. The federal government itself is responsible for the inflated prices. Until they accept cannabis use in our society it'll never be an "open and free" market.

Explain a free market then...by your definition. I grow and smoke what I want....if you want to buy good smoke here legally...you can. I feel no risk....seems normal everyday life...not trying to capitalize on any other person. There is a lot over inflated prices....seems that's the opinion of most.....I see lots of different prices...Mex is always an alternative is all I was saying....seemed to work in the past for folks. What should I be admitting?

 

[Shred42O]

"JJScorpio: I definitely see your perspective. I'll be considering both sides of this one till the moment I vote. One point I would like to make is that many of the communities of northern california were devastated when the logging industry shut down. That devastation was ameliorated by 215... which gave otherwise optionless people control over their lives. Many people from those communities are afraid of losing their livelihood again. To call them greedy is disingenuous and ultimately unfair. Its hard to think globally when you are worried about the economic future of your family.

Are there some people against this bill who have nothing but greed in their hearts? Sure. But there are also some people who are for it with an equal measure.

I will probably vote for the bill for reasons that include some of the points you bring up... but its not without a measure of apprehension about the direction it will drive the industry and the effect it will have on the small ganja farming communities of Norcal."

i agree 100% well put