ICMAG Administration endorses The Regulate, Control and Tax Cannabis Act of 2010

[JJScorpio]

And again we are reverting back to the commercial aspect of things. Do all of the naysayers have commercial ties?

Getting back to reality, this Bill wasn't designed for growing commercially. It was designed so the average Californian can grow and smoke their own Cannabis without fear of arrest.....

heres my backyard, its a modest sized average backyard. 20 plants. completely medically legal.

if all i had were prop 19 protections, i would be violating the law 20 times. not one of these plants is less than 25 square ft.

i am not a major nor cal grower. anyone anywhere in cali with any back yard can do this. in fact im in so cal.


edit: ok im off to the beach, the lady finally finished her shower. and im sorry you got arrested 4 times, did you have your cali med id card? i reccomend everyone get one of these. i dont know anyone who has been arrested since kelly vs. the state was ironed out.

peace everyone

 

[Shred42O]

the only up side i see is that if it becomes ok to have it in your system for a drug test for a job

 

[catman]

I am not from California nor have I ever been there, but I still think my opinion is valuable regarding said act.

Where I reside cannabis is very illegal and even what many would consider to be a minuscule amount would severely tarnish my future. Everyday I come back from work I deal with the anxiety of what if my medicine has been discovered and the ramifications of such. I have to essentially live a double life in which I'm forced to hide myself from even my most loved ones. Everyday at work I have to deal with anxiety of a possible drug test and the train wreck which would follow if I was to lose my job. All that being said the anxiety I experience without cannabis is far greater hence why I risk so much. I have been trying to move another state solely for the MMJ laws, but it has been and will continue to be a struggle to realize my aspirations.

Rather than echo what the ICMAG administration have said, I would just like to say how proud I am to be a member of ICMAG becuase of threads like these.

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

Well keep your medical. Why not vote yes on 19 too. That way people who aren't as fortunate as you can still have protection.

 

[poking smot]

I don't think that ICMag has any business in endorsing this prop. The site is just seperating the people on it by endorsing it and should just be here for information only. Not herding people into voting how they want. Just my opinion.

 

[nomaad]

I don't think that ICMag has any business in endorsing this prop. The site is just seperating the people on it by endorsing it and should just be here for information only. Not herding people into voting how they want. Just my opinion.

first off, only livestock can be herded. informing people's political opinions from one side of the spectrum or the other is hardly "herding people" to vote a certain way.

this is a cultural publication and its admin staff has decided to take a stance on an issue that's at the forefront of the culture. It is neither inappropriate nor contrary to the ethos of this site.

that doesn't mean I'm wholeheartedly behind their stance. but they have every right to take it.

 

[someotherguy]

I don't think that ICMag has any business in endorsing this prop. The site is just seperating the people on it by endorsing it and should just be here for information only. Not herding people into voting how they want. Just my opinion.

why shouldn't Gypsy and the rest of the crew here at
ICMag have the right to voice an opinion?

we are not sheep here, note how many have voiced a
dissenting opinion, yourself included.

frankly, i don't think it works in our favor to stifle anyone.

personally, i'm just a micro-grower praying for the day
i don't have to worry about going to jail for something
so innocuous, so what if it means it will be taxed, i won't
be selling any so i won't have to worry about taxes, it'll
be the guy's getting fat NOW who will have to adapt to
the new reality instead of gouging people with $400.00
per ounce prices!

if it becomes legal and regulated now we will have a
chance to improve the laws going forward, if it doesn't
become legal now, it may be another 10 years before we
see any legislation to legalize.

we have to start somewhere!

peace, SOG

 

[Hammerhead]

I believe everyone's opinion is valuable no matter where you live. I think ICAMG has every right to endorse anything they want. They are not making you vote yes or no they have an opinion just like you do and have every right to express it just like you do.

 

[BoB91]

Amen to this...

Amen to this...

I wish Florida had the stones Cali does...

 

[localhero]

When was this pic taken? One of those plants are flowering already....

i know right? i took it this morning, i think the weird weather in the begining of july down here (10 to 15 degrees cooler and june gloom up until 2pm) triggered an early flower. i was also told, since this is my first proper outdoor attempt, that outdoor transitions slower into flower. so i dont know.

jj- i have to disagree with you, this initiatives main concern for me is the fact that it opens the door for big business and big money to grow commercially. the little guy can have 25 ft but if you want more you will have to abide by regulations purposefully undisclosed and guranteed to be prohibitive to the average grower:

"Section 11301: Commercial Regulations and Controls

Notwithstanding any other provision of state or local law, a local government may adopt ordinances, regulations, or other acts having the force of law to control, license, regulate, permit or otherwise authorize, with conditions, the following:"

like i said before, i was teetering back and forth between yes and no on this, but in the end i cannot justify allowing big business interests to ruin and overrun an awesome community of mom and pop growers across the state.

so far no one has convinced me or even presented a valid argument that 19 > 215

 

[JJScorpio]

I don't think that ICMag has any business in endorsing this prop. The site is just seperating the people on it by endorsing it and should just be here for information only. Not herding people into voting how they want. Just my opinion.

The Regulate, Control and Tax Cannabis Act of 2010 could have a far reaching effect if it passes and is successful. After Cali passed Prop 215 look what happened to many bordering States. They also developed MM programs. Something like this could be far more influential in getting many more States to pass initiatives or for some to also legalize. When this happens it will have a sound effect on some Countries in the following years.

So yes, I think it is proper that we have an opinion in this as it would effect Cannabis laws Internationally. This site has always encouraged people to grow and enjoy Cannabis in their lives. A Bill like this is something most of us have dreamed of passing our entire adult lives. I'll admit it isn't perfect, but it's a positive step in what we hope will be a snowball effect through the States and into other Countries...........

 

[hotmellons]

not just other state but other country. usa is the reasn canabis illegal everywhere else

 

[Hammerhead]

I dont think anyone would ever say 19 is better then 215 there not the same law. If you need that kind of a grow you are probably a 215 card holder. For the average Joe that just smokes grows for there own needs 19 provides enough space the grow plenty of bud. Trying to compare 215 to 19 is like apples and oranges.

 

[someotherguy]

i know right? i took it this morning, i think the weird weather in the begining of july down here (10 to 15 degrees cooler and june gloom up until 2pm) triggered an early flower. i was also told, since this is my first proper outdoor attempt, that outdoor transitions slower into flower. so i dont know.

jj- i have to disagree with you, this initiatives main concern for me is the fact that it opens the door for big business and big money to grow commercially. the little guy can have 25 ft but if you want more you will have to abide by regulations purposefully undisclosed and guranteed to be prohibitive to the average grower:

"Section 11301: Commercial Regulations and Controls

Notwithstanding any other provision of state or local law, a local government may adopt ordinances, regulations, or other acts having the force of law to control, license, regulate, permit or otherwise authorize, with conditions, the following:"

like i said before, i was teetering back and forth between yes and no on this, but in the end i cannot justify allowing big business interests to ruin and overrun an awesome community of mom and pop growers across the state.

so far no one has convinced me or even presented a valid argument that 19 > 215

so lets just stick with the status quo?

come on man, growing pot for the black market IS big
business, it's just illicit big business, so those 'mom and pop'
growers will either continue to grow in the dark, as it were,
or they will have to pay taxes and meet quality control
standards in order to compete, legitimately, rather than
gouging the consumer with inflated prices.

you do what you want dude but God willing there will be
enough stoners that have to PAY those inflated prices to
vote yes and free the weed, just a little bit.

peace, SOG

 

[localhero]

so lets just stick with the status quo?

come on man, growing pot for the black market IS big
business, it's just illicit big business, so those 'mom and pop'
growers will either continue to grow in the dark, as it were,
or they will have to pay taxes and meet quality control
standards in order to compete, legitimately, rather than
gouging the consumer with inflated prices.

you do what you want dude but God willing there will be
enough stoners that have to PAY those inflated prices to
vote yes and free the weed, just a little bit.

peace, SOG

my prices are extremely compassionate. i have a serious issue with clubs over charging for meds. especially when they go on and on about being compassionate, and then put up my meds for 65 an 1/8th after i gave them a price that should have had it at 35.

let me make this really simple:

does 19 protect me more than 215? no

does 19 allow me to grow more than a very measly 25 square ft? no

does 19 allow big money to push out mom and pop ops much like walmart did to mom and pop stores across the U.S. ? yes


that simple.

im sorry if others have the misconception that cali voting in a convoluted false attempt at legalization (really just a backdoor manuever by big money) will somehow make it so poor southern countries can recieve free money from the imf.

 

[Master Worm]

Cali voter against it right here....thought this site wasn't political.

 

[localhero]

also by "pushing out mom and pop ops" i dont mean by undercutting with cheap prices. i mean by making it very expensive and exclusionary to get permits and licensing rights to grow more than 25 square ft.

dont think for a second that giant commercial grows from say rj reynolds or whoever means better quality at a cheaper price. it will mean less competition brought on by exclusionary tactics to corner the market and jack up prices.

 

[Hammerhead]

that may make sense in your mind but all I see is fear mongering. 19 and 215 should not even be in the same sentence. If you can get what you need out of 25sf that's not our fault I have no problem getting what I need out of it. Mom and pop will be just fine if they know how to grow quality cannabis.

 

[Master Worm]

I have single plants that take up way more then sq 25'...it would suck to have to only have one strain for the whole year....I like to grow 3-4 proven strains every year and 3-4 test strains

 

[poking smot]

first off, only livestock can be herded. informing people's political opinions from one side of the spectrum or the other is hardly "herding people" to vote a certain way.

this is a cultural publication and its admin staff has decided to take a stance on an issue that's at the forefront of the culture. It is neither inappropriate nor contrary to the ethos of this site.

that doesn't mean I'm wholeheartedly behind their stance. but they have every right to take it.

Informing is fine, endorsing is different. And as for the marijuana culture, it's underground and should remain underground. Since when do we need the government to regulate and tax something that i can just grow for free anyway? We shouldn't have to always run to the government for everything. If this legislation was for real legalization then i'd be all for it. And that said i mean no regulating and just letting a plant be a plant.