Humboldt Bush Master

[clowntown]

I'm now more interested than ever in this product... it looks like I have what appears to be a perfect strain to run Bush Master on:





(These are BONGMACHINERY @ PG's Western Winds; I'm growing some out from seed now.)

A fairly long flowering (10-11, maybe 12 weeks) sativa that naturally grows in a single column style. The goal would be to reduce the height and flowering time, allowing me to run a tight SOG with a much shorter grow cycle.

What do you guys think? Veg 'til desired height, apply BM, and expect fat short colas much quicker?

 

[kokua]

absolutely....

I haven't necessarily seen faster times...but shorter internodal spacing and more budsites, thicker buds two big thumbs up!


Check this read out clown...its a few pages long, but it is full of great info.

http://www.bghydro.com/mmbgh/Others/Bush Master Instructions.pdf

I am using around 2 mils per quart with full strength algamic and full strength nitrozime. It sounds extreme...but I have only seen positive results from this application rate. I add cocowet or some other wetting agent and spray thoroughly one week before i plan on going to 12/12, then I spray the day I put them in 12/12, and then one last time one week in 12/12, so a total of 3 applications.

That application rate got a an ecsd to do this...


she was topped in veg and trained to grow 3 tops. When we went to 12/12 she was almost up to the top of the dasani label...so she ended up stretching what 5-6" max? Most will tell you that the ecsd is a stretchy biatch...I would agree. This is some pretty good stuff in my book. It didn't effect yield or quality one bit either...infact this was the best I have had of the ecsd.

 

[Guest]

Would Pro-Tekt as a pH up to your most acidic nutes work, as in switching up the silicon source? (seems to add 3% K to boot)

Damn good idea! My nutes, PBP Bloom for soil, Hydroguard, Sensizyme, Molasses are acidic and I usually have to add at least one cup of phup to a 100 gallon resevoir.

Any idea how effective Pro-Tekt is at upping ph?

 

[Guest]

heya SW that sucks that the ones you like are prone to mold. I never herd about Trichoderma helping on the buds...I have heard that it helps in the rootzone...but not with budrot. Do you remember where you read that?

I'm going to look up salicylic acid...don't know much about that one either. Thanks again

Can the Right Potting Mix Replace Fungicide?

And though I refuse to fall for most of the hype - AN's product line does get my money in the enzyme department and they have these products that I might consider:

Scorpion Juice Info

Piranha Info Although in all fairness I have used Piranha without any noticable increase over Plant Success Granular.

 

[inflorescence]

Damn good idea! My nutes, PBP Bloom for soil, Hydroguard, Sensizyme, Molasses are acidic and I usually have to add at least one cup of phup to a 100 gallon resevoir.

Any idea how effective Pro-Tekt is at upping ph?

For example, with floranova gro (measured right about the time when my shitty hanna combo gro check decided to lose it's pH abilty [so ymmv])
Anyway (Per gallon) (4L)
RO + FNG = 4.6 pH
RO + FNG + 5 drops protekt = 5.0 pH
RO + FNG + 10 drops protekt = 5.8 pH
RO + FNG + 15 drops protekt = 6.2 pH

http://www.dyna-gro.com/003.htm

Also, I remember checking the protekt alone in RO and it was like pH ~9 (crossed referenced online to check also, can't find the link) so do your own measurements but protekt definately seems like a good pH up (because of the K) with the added benefit of adding silicon.
Anyone experience anything different with protekt?

 

[kokua]

great link on the trichoderma!! How long have you been using it? Has it helped at all?

 

[Guest]

If it's not in Plant Success, Piranha, or already in my coco/perlite / leftover organics mix, then sadly, I am not using it. Honestly I don't know.

I would love to find it - can anyone tell me if it is one of the ingredients in Piranha?

 

[clowntown]

Yes, IIRC, Piranha is a mycorrhizae + trichoderma mix.

 

[Guest]

Yes, IIRC, Piranha is a mycorrhizae + trichoderma mix.

Thanks ClownTown, but I knew that... I guess I should have asked if anyone knew what strains specifically... The one that is known to help with budrot is strain "382"

 

[gunnaknow]

13 days in Veg
42 days in Blm
55 days Total
(used bm,pm, and Gravity)
16 plants under one 1000 in a 3*3 eb flow in small closet with ventilation
12 jack herers, 4 ak47's
Pruned lower growth at day 10 in veg
Final results (dry to crisp)
186grms AK
690grms JH
(876 total)
= roughly .88 grms pr watt in total of 55 days from root to fruit
the AK's probably could have used an extra 4 or 5 days
From personal experience i really don't think i can get any more then that with the genetics i'm using. So the goal is still 1gpw in under 60 days. I guess i'm going to have to do some more genetics shopping.

Sorry for the delayed response, just moved so internet access has been few and far between. I'll post some more updated pics as soon as i get my pc up and running again. Until then
Peas and Loaf
Purg

Sorry Purg but to me and many others that is more than 1gpw every 8 weeks because we usually base it on flowering period. You can have a small, low wattage veg room running vegging clones towards the end of the flowering plants' cycle and then move them into the flowering room when the previous batch are harvested.

You got 876g from 1000w in 42 days of flowering. The gold standard is considered by many to be 1 gram per watt per 8 week flowering cycle. Adjusting for the fact that you harvested in 42 days, in 8 weeks (56 days) of flowering, you are actually harvesting 1.168 gpw. With heavier yielding genetics it would probably be 1.25 gpw. Very well done buddy! You have made it to the mile high club, or the 1gpw club!

 

[JackKerouac]

I got a document about Bushmaster. It suggested 1.25 MG watering the first day of initiating flower, then using 1.25 mg in a foliar spray for 3-4 sprays every 3-4 days. I can confirm it doesn't cause burning in coir and really works with c99.

Excellent stuff.

 

[SOY.ALTO]

the bush master is good shit. But just like with many things in life and growing, LESS IS MORE!!!! I use less that 2ml per gallon.

The people who have burned their plants are using much higher dosages. 4ml doesn't sounds like much more than 2ml, but its TWICE AS MUCH. This shit is potent.

the guy who recomended it to me said to only use it with strains that stretch alot. Makes them grow fat colas instead of smaller, spaced out single nugs. this guy was not a liar. :wink:

 

[Neptune]

I'm still looking at you guys and scratching my head...

I'm still looking at you guys and scratching my head...

Basically, if you have a really stretchy strain and you want to stop it from stretching, this product is great. I can't see any other benefit, becuase the buds actually look pretty fucking horrible.... unnatural looking.

needless to say, I don't grow with any of this stuff.
here's a few snaps of ~.9 gpw grows with gh lucas formula.

KISS....

 

[gunnaknow]

Nice plants Neptune! However, you are revisiting old ground here! You made your points known earlier in this thread and we took what you said on board. The conclusion was that you were entitled to your opinion but that this was a thread for those interested in BM and that this was the wrong thread for you if you were just going to criticise their choices.

 

[inflorescence]

Neptune is the Man! Nice.

 

[meduser180056]

Basically, if you have a really stretchy strain and you want to stop it from stretching, this product is great. I can't see any other benefit, becuase the buds actually look pretty fucking horrible.... unnatural looking.

I used it on SR-71's PK last time at 3ml to a gallon and the buds didn't turn out looking any different than previous PK grows w/o Bushmaster. It makes sativa strains buds look weird cuz they don't stretch like they normally would. That's my theory anyway, cuz my PK looked like it always does. PK has a 6 inch stretch max.

I think it made my nugs a tad bigger and they finished about a week earlier than previous grows. So I'd say a slight yield increase and a quicker finish.

I'd advise a lower dosage though because a couple of the runtier plants didn't handle 3ml to well. So I'd say 1-2.

I'm not sure if I'll use BM again though to be honest.

P.S. Your buds look like they're on steroids haha. Those are some fat ass colas.

 

[gunnaknow]

I used it on SR-71's PK last time at 3ml to a gallon and the buds didn't turn out looking any different than previous PK grows w/o Bushmaster. It makes sativa strains buds look weird cuz they don't stretch like they normally would. That's my theory anyway, cuz my PK looked like it always does. PK has a 6 inch stretch max.

I think it made my nugs a tad bigger and they finished about a week earlier than previous grows. So I'd say a slight yield increase and a quicker finish.

I'd advise a lower dosage though because a couple of the runtier plants didn't handle 3ml to well. So I'd say 1-2.

Yeah, some strains seem to do better on BM than others. I'm not exactly sure which though. You'd think that the most hardy strains would do best, like northern lights for instance. Which ever strain you do use, you need to make sure that it has reached a sufficient height during veg before you give them BM. If not, the yield increases could be negligable.

The use of growth hormones such as benzylaminopurine, gibberellic acid, triacontanol and brassinolide would really shorten the time that it takes to get them to the right size during veg. Infact, apart from gibberellic acid all of these hormones would be beneficial during flowering when using BM. That's why it is recommended for you to use kelp extract with BM. Kelp contains growth hormones called cytokinins. One of the most potent cytokinins found in nature is benzylaminopurine. It would be very interesting to see the results from combining BM with kelp, benzylaminopurine, triacontanol and brassinolide.

Your buds look like they're on steroids haha. Those are some fat ass colas.

That's the equivalent of what you are giving your plants when you give them BM and kelp. Steroids. Or to be more exact, plant growth regulators and plant growth hormones. Very simmilar to giving clones rooting hormones, accept for aerial growth instead. If you throw in some additional plant hormones such as benzylaminopurine, triacontanol and brassinolide, you are doing what is referred to in bodybuilding circles as 'stacking', which is combining different hormones/drugs together to optimise results. Just incase anyone is interested I'll paste a link with info and prices for these other plants hormones. I think that this allowed but if not I apologize.

http://www.super-grow.biz/Growth.jsp

 

[pumpkin2006]

So I'm seeing a number of products that are preventing bud rot... so silica blast was one of them, what are some others? Could anyone explain how they are preventing bud rot?

Thanks

 

[dizel]

nice plants

 

[gunnaknow]

Information courtesy of Pod Racer.

GIBBERELLIC ACID (GA3)

Probably the best known of the plant hormones. It's produced by the plants tips and is responsible for the plant growth. Most use it in two ways:

1) If they want to germinate seeds, they soak the seeds first in a solution of GA3 (200ppm) for 24 hours. Compared to unsoaked seeds, the soaked seeds germinate faster, a better percentage of germinations and they grow like crazy.

2) After the clones have rooted and are established (usually 10 days), give them a foliar spray of 30ppm GA3. This makes them literally "take off". You can almost see them actually growing.

The problem with GA3, is that most growth is in the form of "stretching" which isn't always diserable, so except for seeds and clones, most don't use GA3 ever again in the plants cycle.

GA3 has some other uses as well. You can intiate male fowers on a female plant but using high doses every day for several days, you can also induce flowers earlier and yield bigger flowers but I haven't tried that yet.

BRASSINOLIDE

This is one of the main hormones used. Concentration use is approximately 0.1ppm as a foliar spray about every three weeks with a final spray just as you change the lights for flowering. It will increase a plants resistance to stress (cold, drought, too high a salt content), it helps the plant locate light, it strengthens a plants resistance to disease. It will also stimulate a plant to grow it's overall root mass. The overall effect is that the plant will be much healthier, stronger and thus the yield will be better. It is estimated that the effect is about a 50% better yield than the untreated plants.

6-BENZYLAMINOPURINE

Another favourite, depending on the concentration used, the effects are thicker and stronger stems, healthier and larger leaves (more surface area to capture light) at 300 ppm. If you find that youwould like a plant to have more branches, you give it a foliar spray of 2000ppm. This is called hormonal pruning and the advantage is that you don't need to pinch of the plants growing tip (thus decreasing the gibberrelins), the plant stays healthy and doesn't stop growing to repair the tip.

Another big bonus. If you spray MJ with 300ppm at the end of the 4th week of flowring there is a dramatic increase in bud growth. Combined with the earlier spraying of Brassinlide that most do at the start of flowering, the end result is outstanding in terms of quality and yield.

MEPIQUAT CHLORIDE

This is actually a growth inhibitor. It is sold in Hydro stores in pre-made solutions under various brand names. The idea is that it will stop the plant growth when it's time to start flowering. Not only does this control the final height (useful if you have a low ceiling problem), but also the plant will start to allocate it's growth resources into bud growth sooner. I resisted using this product because I don't have a height problem.The effect you see is that bud size that were usually about 5 weeks old are now bud size at 3 weeks. This gives you larger early buds and as you know, you can only build from there. Most hit the plants with the Benzylaminopurine and the bud growth takes off, supposedly. This hormone is relatively new to me concentration known to use is about 10ppm.