Humboldt Bush Master

[sunnyside]

It seems to be more of a "Flower Initiator" and the active ingredients in it are different than Phosphoload....

we dont really know that though. We are made to believe that the ingredients are safe. They don't make any hard claims on the bottle so they don't have to list the ingredients. For all we know it could be exactly the same thing as phosload and all the others.

After seeing this product first hand I have no doubt it has pgr's in there. I've never been able to keep an ecsd this small no matter how short of a veg I gave her...

She ended up stretching to a whopping 13" from base of stalk to tip of tallest bud, with a one week veg. Notice...no stem. It is all bud from top to bottom. Thick dense buds too, not something you usually think of when you think about the ec.

I am not pro or anti pgr...if you want to use it, use it. They do what they claim if used properly. However, I have read enough that I don't think I want to use it. It may be nothing, but I did fine before I had it, I'll do fine without it in the future. no worries

 

[bhuddahat]

Anybody know if you can get Bushmaster in the UK ? Or something similar under a different brand name .

I have some sativa`s that i really don`t have the space for and on future runs i`d like to be able to shorten the flowering time and decrease the overall stretch and height .

Many thanks in advance .

Laters Bhuddahat

 

[Herbsman_OS]

Hey Everyone,

I've got this product by Dutch Master called Super Bud, which I think came out before BushMaster. Anyway, the purpose of using a product like Super Bud is that it's for stopping the growth and to induce the flowering stage more quickly.

I've had Super Bud for about 4 years now, and I use it to control the height of strains that like to stretch. I've used Super Bud on both Indica and Sativa strains. It works well. It says on the bottle that it should be used within the first two weeks of the flowering stage. It has certain instructions on the bottle, but the person at the Hydro. shop told me to ONLY USE 3.5ml/Gal. I wouldn't recommend using it on Indicas that don't grow fast or stretch much.
For instance, I did a little experiment where I had 10 Purple Erkle - 5 had no SB, and 5 I had given SB. The plants were about 18 inches when I put them into flower. The plants with SB stopped growing and started to flower sooner than the non-SB Purple Erkles. To make a long story short, even though P.Erkle is a slow growing plant, the non-SB plants grew to about just under 36 inches and the SB-treated P.Erkles grew about two inches to three inches...to 20-21 inches total height.

The buds from the SB P.Erkles were really dense and compact, almost too compact on the stem because it didn't grow much, there was little space for the underside of the bud reap the benefits of the 1000k light. What I mean is that if you were to pull off a bud from the SB-treated plant, and look at the whole bud, the side of the bud that was closest to the stem would be more of a light green and not a lush looking green. It's like when one gets a farmer's tan. Their arms are all tan, but the chest is pasty white. When the buds are that compact, even with good ventilation, you have to watch out for mold.

On the other hand, the use of SB for stretchy Sativa's is what I like it for. For strains like TrainWreck, Flo, ChemDawg 91, and East Coast Headband which really stretches, SB will help control the height, and definitely increase the size of the buds as well as increase the overall yield.

--Herbsman_OS

 

[GET MO]

Ive seen some real dense nugs and frost from purple max and gravity, just make sure to use um at the right time and lower the rest of the nutes when you use um. Seems to work better in soil than hydro, I think it was created more for the outdoor grower in mind.

 

[eidanyosoy]

Don't get me wrong; I know this product works extremley well; but one part is I refuse to believe it makes the plant flower in 3 days. REason being; cannabis flowering hormone is triggered from lighting changes; not nutrient switching. You can switch over to flowering and still use nitrogen for a week and it will start to switch over from the lighting changes.

Bushmaster helps a ton with it not stretching; but still does not switch it over in 3 days. That is like saying there is a tonic out there that will make you go into puberty at any age ya want......

LOL there is such a potion called testosterone or HGH.

 

[DownSouthSage]

I bought a bottle of bushmaster last year and am gonna try it for the first time because i have decided to throw some hazes into my room and wanna run a few indicas as well so bushmaster seems to be the ideal product for what i wanna do.I am running in organic soil so we will see what happens.I have always been of the old school that less is more also so ive never really had a problem with burning plants up with anything.

 

[DownSouthSage]

woops posted twice

 

[jiggasouza]

I use purple maxx and gravity and i would definately recommend them. The purple maxx is good with the resin and the gravity makes my nugs hard. I jus recently got some bushmaster because it's summer time and i veg indoor and throw my girls outside to bud. It definately changes the structure of the plant but idk about the decrease in resin and potency. I hope thats not the case. I just water once with bushmaster and some hygrozyme and re-water throughoutly the same day. So i only apply it once. I use soil and this seems to be working for me.

 

[SFC]

I have been using BM for a couple years now DWC. Through trial an error I settled on using it right at the flip to 12/12. I usually flip when the plants are as wide as the bucket tops,and 10-12" tall. Previously I had used 1/2 tsp out of an eyedropper per bucket for 24 hours the day before the scheduled weekly nute change.

At this dosage a little temporary rams horn affect was normal, but would return to normal within 10 days. Flowering would start within 3-5 days, stretching initially stops, but after a week to ten days they usually do still stretch, just while budding finishing around 3ft.

This last grow OD,and Scud I used it at 1tsp per bucket. The rams horning was more severe initially,and hung on for a few weeks on the SCUD (ODxKKSC) They all went into flower with the 3-5 days again. This time though the rate of flowering seems really accelerated. I am at day 45 and the buds are getting huge, calyx's look like they at day 63. I just ran a Non-BM run with the same plants on the previous grow for 71 days so I am very keen to the difference.

As far as potency I really was not aware of a difference before, but now that I have read most of this thread I will have to side by side compare. This last batch was pretty fantastic I must say.

I wonder if maybe even though they look finished they are really not. I have always still ran my BM plants out to 63 days. Maybe the guys chopping two weeks early are just not letting them attain full potential.. I don't know,but I know I like Bushmaster,and cannot wait to try it outdoors for the first time this year as well. I cannot believe I have not already thought to do that before. I will try to get some pics up for you guys tomorrow. peace

 

[thc43]

Most of these products have gone from our shelves now, odd really because alot of PGR products come from OZ at one time. The ones that stop stretch probaLLY have paclobutrazol type pgrs and the products that give excellerated growth 14 days in may be using something like cycocell. when used together at the right time buds look good but can get mouldy can be a scroggers fav tool, generally lacking in stone and odor in my early grows with 2 and 4 part "uturn" search the net for folia ec/ppm values as there alot weaker than in the nute mix.

PGRs have a place in growing plants but not convinced we should use on plants we smoke.
2c

pics of bigbud with and without cycocell i dont dig paclobutrazol i like my stretch.

 

[budwheizzah]

BushMaster Required

BushMaster Required

Ah, the good ol' BushMaster.

Having overseen operations revolvling around the stuff, I feel I can throw in my ten cents here.

First off if you're already growing, in a room you've setup, with a system that works, there really is no need to try Bush Master. You're free to do so... but why fix something that's not broken.

Bush Master is for growrooms that are problematic in terms of space and ultimately, airflow... Ok, down the line it sums up to an extreme lack of space.

When I setup a grow op for my friend the rules were tight: 400w HPS in a 6ft x 3ft x 2ft cabin... With all the hardware installed the growspace was only inch-fractions above 2x2x2. Put the pot height and the plants only had roughly 1 foot and a half headspace.

Of course in the two first grows, problems quickly became obvious. In addition to natural stretching, the room had such a temperature disparity between day and night (again, space and airflow were borderline) that the stretching was triple what it should be.

One day at my local grow shop, having researched growth restrictors, I asked about Superbud, which seemed from my readings to be a solution to my friend's cab. Not carrying Superbud in stock, the representative handed me a sample of Humboldt Bush Master... a 2oz bottle with only half left.

I suspiciously handed this bottle off to my friend and we discussed the use. We went at 1.5ml/l (6ml/gal), which at the time we thought was "a bit higher than moderate" -- something we felt was necessary since we had yet another grow headed past the reflector!

Geez, overnight the stretching stopped. The plants were already a few weeks into flower, so space issues had already been "established", but already, BM was doing what we needed... stop the %#^&$#& stretching.
From that point on, my friend never went without BM until he ran out. Each future crop was restricted BEFORE height became an issue. Fan leaves were evenly exposed to the light and the yields increased grow to grow.

At some point he ran out and went himself to the same Hydro store I had gone to. Ouch! To his great disappointment they were out of BM. The representative this time recommended "Beast! 6-6-6", which is also a growth restrictor.

While "Beast! 6-6-6" did its job, it did it poorly. I read a lot of posts here saying that BM reduces triche production and increases hair production. Oh, man, if you think BM does it, you haven't seen anything at all, my friends. If I were to give an example of what restrictors NOT to use, it's Beast. It turned what I know to be an awesome, skunky and bold kind that numbs your brain into orbit around another planet into this overly hair, resin-less schwag that I smoked as fast as possible to get rid of, call my dealer and get something better.

Since then, I have ordered my friend a gift: An 8oz bottle of BM off eBay. I really felt bad for him and it's clear now we won't sway from concepts that work, since products are so different out there, you can get complete garbage with one and gold with another.
My friend is using BM again. Small, bold plants with plenty of healthy buds oozing with resin

Footnote: The preferred optimal dose with ANY kind (my friend had four kinds in the same grow so he tried to average his solutions as much as possible, not to have to go nuts preparing a different mix for each baby) is a rough 1ml/l, or 4ml/gal, within the first two weeks of flower, whenever height seems convenient. If plants offer a second stretch in the next 7 days, hit them again, same dose. In hydro, run for ONLY 24 hours. Also, note minor/moderate burn is normal and has not slowed a grow down yet. It only looks weird... burns leaves from the edges in in a leopard-spot pattern.

PS: To those who say you can use natural methods to grow happy (I stress HAPPY) plants in a 2x2x2 space... well, I don't know - that didn't work. Cut the top off and the plant grows sideways as much as it wouldve liked to grow up. It was getting pretty futile until I gave my buddy that sample of BM.

 

[JackKerouac]

[O]vernight the stretching stopped . . .

Fan leaves were evenly exposed to the light and the yields increased grow to grow . . .

Small, bold plants with plenty of healthy buds oozing with resin

I like Bushmaster, but I question your glowing review by hitting all of their advertising talking points.

4ml/gal, within the first two weeks of flower, whenever height seems convenient. If plants offer a second stretch in the next 7 days, hit them again, same dose. In hydro, run for ONLY 24 hours. Also, note minor/moderate burn is normal and has not slowed a grow down yet. It only looks weird... burns leaves from the edges in in a leopard-spot pattern.

That dosage would burn the crap out of my plants, even under a 600/1k light. I still get the claw running 1 ml/gal on nute sensitive strains like white widow.

I fixed it with half-strength nutes and raising the lights for a few days.

 

[SoFreshnSOGreen]

another side by side
these sensi stars were done vert with the same nute reg

Before BM. 1 wk veg, 8 wk bloom


With BM, 2 week veg, 6 wk bloom



I all ready do trim up but i guess i didn't think about it like that. I might have to include a couple veg upgrades into the next run. I'll let you know how that works out. Thanx gunnaknow

now that's some good advertizing

 

[budwheizzah]

I like Bushmaster, but I question your glowing review by hitting all of their advertising talking points.

I swear I do not work for or know anyone that works at Emerald Triangle

Perhaps their marketing points are truthful - I only reported what I saw from my experience.

Please don't think I'm plugging this product. I'm just very, very fond of it.

If you are, for instance, growing in an area with the light and height you need, there is no need to use such a product. It's good for those who are truly stuck and don't want to crap-down their product all while "miniaturizing" it.

 

[budwheizzah]

now that's some good advertizing

The ultimate demonstration would be a time lapse capture of both a control plant (no BM) and a test plant (with BM) side-by-side, one picture every 5 minutes or so for the whole bloom phase. The things you could learn by observing that way!

(Even more) Ultimately you'd have one for control and three or more for testing, each at various doses, all caught on tape side-by-side in HD.

Anyway, it seems to be a matter of opinion, which is why I decided to stick with this. A salesman once told my friend Bushmaster was super-toxic-chemical, and that Beast! 6-6-6 would be an organic alternative. One week later another sales person (same bloody store) told ME that Beast! 6-6-6 was nasty awful chemical waste and that Bushmaster was more organic... All this while explaining to me that they ONLY carry Beast! (WTFF?) Go figure, man, some people really think they know exactly what they're saying, without it being so.

I stick to what I've seen and will try to research more facts before I judge its toxicity, its method of inhibiting plant stretch and the quality of the result, especially when compared to another "mysterious" product you're also not sure about. I'm sure each product, including Beast! and BM, have awful downsides and awesome upsides in those categories.

Oh, before I go I want to leave at least one positive note on Beast! 6-6-6:
My friend, reading the label, noticed there is a second recommended application... It states that it can help with "tightening" the buds when fed at the 5th week of flowering. He tried this and surprisingly, the crop yielded greater than the previous, which had not received this treatment. His bottle can now be put to some form of use, instead of it going to waste. Looks like it can be a replacement to "Gravity", which we have not yet tried to date... so that would be a crude assumption at best. Anyway, it did good in the density trade.

 

[fatigues]

There are a lot of Bushmaster threads on ICM, but this is probably the best one. I'm giving it a bump for those who have missed it - and a note that the word "Bushmaster" in the title is separated into two words, "Bush master" which can cause a title thread search to miss it. Worth subscribing to this one if you are interested in the product and keeping tabs on other users' experience with it.

I would also note that as the years have marched on, the general observation has been to reduce the use of BM to 1ml/gallon. In hydro, the important issue is not so much concentration of the product, but length of time you run it in your rez.

 

[kannubis]

useful info - 6.5' tent ran out of room

 

[Ganjagrower1]

ok so i have used bush master for the first time and i have not read anything about bm until now. i see what everyone is talking about with the horns. and if i am not mistakin i only used it at a third of the strength. i think i used 1ml per gallon and only used it for 3 days. and i have all the same results i have read about on here. they stopped vertically and i got all the horns but it has almost been a week since and the leaves are starting to go back to normal.

 

[iSmokeTrees]

anyone ever use bushmaster with sour diesel?

 

[Herbsman_OS]

anyone ever use bushmaster with sour diesel?

I haven't used BushMaster, but I've used SuperBud several times. In addition, I've used SB with ECSD. If I ever run out of SB, I'll switch over to BM. But it does stop the stretch and does promotes flowering rather quickly.

You don't want to use it with any type of short growing indica-type plant because it'll significantly keep a short plant short and grow buds that that won't stretch.

I mainly use SB with long stretching sativa plants that keep stretching even after they've been in bloom for the first two weeks, such as ECSD, TW, U.K. Cheese, Flo, PowerPlant, WhiteWidow, Headband, etc... The yield is noticeable.

If I had limited space restrictions that some have mentioned, I would encourage the use of either product.

--Herbsman_OS