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i am feeding only once at 4ml/g for 4 days. Ebb/flo and already saw the results after 5th day of flip. I dont think there is a need for a second app. Do you?
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I didnt worry bout ph though. I am using Bud blood with my 2+.
This sounds lke a similar thing to a couple of products ive seen over here... one called "Tomato Juice" and one called "Rox" Ive seen buds grown from the rox and the difference to buds not grown with it-someone round here grows jack and for a long time-then it changed into rock hard nuggets and made the colas look half the size but really mega dense when he used rox..... anyway my local growshop has rox and ive seen it and the tomato juice online at esoteric(ripoff) i think the rox at the growshop is 90 pounds, but at esoteric, it and the tomato juice are 125 pounds, does anybody know anything about these products and wether they are the same sort of thing as bushmaster?? Im doing a vert after the next crop so im considering these....
sativalicious
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I reviewed the entire thread to find someone applied it three distinct times. If I had previous experience with my genotype then I would be able to evaluate the situation better. Do you have experience with your genotype without the BM?stickynickyz said:
I do not know what this predominantly Indica strain will do without BM. So far I have watered with 2 gallons of solution at a rate of 2ml/gal (one week apart).
I should note also that this plant is in soil as opposed to a hydro-like medium. This was the best BM thread I could find. I hope that's OK.
How many inches of vertical growth would I see *minimally* on an Indica strain if the Bush Master product was not being used? And how long can this stretching be observed during the flowering period? Does it typically stop after a particular week? Or does it behave like basil and capable of stretching week after week all throughout the flower period?
Thx.
sativalicious
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I decided not to apply Bush Master a 3rd time. After about 3+ weeks of 12/12 I have noticed only a few inches of vertical growth. I suppose this stuff works.
Don't get me wrong; I know this product works extremley well; but one part is I refuse to believe it makes the plant flower in 3 days. REason being; cannabis flowering hormone is triggered from lighting changes; not nutrient switching. You can switch over to flowering and still use nitrogen for a week and it will start to switch over from the lighting changes.
Bushmaster helps a ton with it not stretching; but still does not switch it over in 3 days. That is like saying there is a tonic out there that will make you go into puberty at any age ya want......
That does not happen, I would have to see solid proof that this causes it to flower in 3 days...... I just do not see it happening. If I am wrong I am sorry; but I want proof as to bushmaster causing your plants to flower quicker.......
Bushmaster helps a ton with it not stretching; but still does not switch it over in 3 days. That is like saying there is a tonic out there that will make you go into puberty at any age ya want......
That does not happen, I would have to see solid proof that this causes it to flower in 3 days...... I just do not see it happening. If I am wrong I am sorry; but I want proof as to bushmaster causing your plants to flower quicker.......
DRKN_MNKY420
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Hey guys! Great thread here!
I just thought I would let ya know what I have noticed and found out so far w/ my experience w/ BM.
I got a free sample of it and the guy told me to use .5ml-1ml/gal to start w/ and if it was still stretching after a week or so to increase the dosage.
MY USE/CONDITIONS:
I used it at 1ml/gal starting the first day of 12/12 and I continued to use it for three doses of nutes over the first two weeks 12/12.
I am using the Bushmaster only on the plants I am REVEGGING!!!
FFOF medium w/ Perlite and garden lime added in.
Pure Blend Pro Bloom and Liquid Karma as my nutes.
A few drops of Superthrive early 12/12 and veg.
And Molasses after week 3 12/12.
RESULTS SO FAR:
Considering I am using BM on Revegged plants, I would say that I maybe used it at the wrong time. At 1ml/gal the vert. growth stopped and I haven't seen too much since week 1. EXCEPT MY PINK SATIVA PLANT=Just started stretching a bit late in flower, just like it did the first time from seed.
FLOWERING TIME:
Well my Pink Sativa plant took like 13 weeks to finish first time around and now it looks as if it might finish in 8 weeks or less??????????????? Check my threads and see the pics for yourself. I never saw any amber triches first time around after 13 weeks of growth, so I am not sure how to tell when the end is near except all the leaves pretty much die!
Now the indica plants, I was expecting 8-9 weeks of bloom for them and it looks like they will be done in about 7 weeks maybe 8. So it definitely cut down the bloom time. I would say that my plants don't look nearly as fat and dense as they did the first time I grew them. I am kinda unhappy about that and maybe I shoulda waited a little longer before giving any BM to get desired height and bud weight.
CHOP TIME IS COMING:
I will update w/ comparison wieghts from the first time I grew these plants and see if they yeilded more or not. Of course I have read to expect more bud on a Reveg plant compared to the first time it is grown, no matter what I feed her. But I honestly don't think I will get more this time.
I plan on trying BM again, but I just plan on giving it to the plant at a later time or when I need to stop the vert growth.
Anyways, thats what I have found so far! PEACE!
DRKN_MNKY420
I just thought I would let ya know what I have noticed and found out so far w/ my experience w/ BM.
I got a free sample of it and the guy told me to use .5ml-1ml/gal to start w/ and if it was still stretching after a week or so to increase the dosage.
MY USE/CONDITIONS:
I used it at 1ml/gal starting the first day of 12/12 and I continued to use it for three doses of nutes over the first two weeks 12/12.
I am using the Bushmaster only on the plants I am REVEGGING!!!
FFOF medium w/ Perlite and garden lime added in.
Pure Blend Pro Bloom and Liquid Karma as my nutes.
A few drops of Superthrive early 12/12 and veg.
And Molasses after week 3 12/12.
RESULTS SO FAR:
Considering I am using BM on Revegged plants, I would say that I maybe used it at the wrong time. At 1ml/gal the vert. growth stopped and I haven't seen too much since week 1. EXCEPT MY PINK SATIVA PLANT=Just started stretching a bit late in flower, just like it did the first time from seed.
FLOWERING TIME:
Well my Pink Sativa plant took like 13 weeks to finish first time around and now it looks as if it might finish in 8 weeks or less??????????????? Check my threads and see the pics for yourself. I never saw any amber triches first time around after 13 weeks of growth, so I am not sure how to tell when the end is near except all the leaves pretty much die!
Now the indica plants, I was expecting 8-9 weeks of bloom for them and it looks like they will be done in about 7 weeks maybe 8. So it definitely cut down the bloom time. I would say that my plants don't look nearly as fat and dense as they did the first time I grew them. I am kinda unhappy about that and maybe I shoulda waited a little longer before giving any BM to get desired height and bud weight.
CHOP TIME IS COMING:
I will update w/ comparison wieghts from the first time I grew these plants and see if they yeilded more or not. Of course I have read to expect more bud on a Reveg plant compared to the first time it is grown, no matter what I feed her. But I honestly don't think I will get more this time.
I plan on trying BM again, but I just plan on giving it to the plant at a later time or when I need to stop the vert growth.
Anyways, thats what I have found so far! PEACE!
DRKN_MNKY420
I decided to give bushmaster a go on my already-bushy Sweet Warp because if it stretched during flower it would have undoubtedly grown into the lights. I applied ~2.5-3 mL/gallon (non re-circulating DWC bucket) on the same day i changed the lights to 12/12. The BM was added with maxi-crop and plain water as recommended by the instructions.
Horns were noticeable by the 3rd day, so I changed my reservoir to a normal bloom regimen. The horns have gotten extremely bad and have not gone away. I've changed the res a few times and cleaned out with rubbing alcohol and hot water to make sure nothing is still lingering, but the horns keep coming with new growth. There is also some serious looking burn on the edges of the leaves; it looks like a calcium deficiency but i'm convinced its from the bushmaster. The reason im so convinced is because i tried the same BM application to a different plant (although it was 5 days into flower instead of day 1) that has been supplemented with Cal-Mag - still the burn is present; not as severe but definitely noticeable.
I cant be certain it was the BM that caused the plants discoloration, but it is definitely taking the blame for the intense horns i've got. Im very unhappy with the horns because i applied at less then the recommended dosage and for only 3 days. I should note that the plant was under a little stress before application and had no choice but to be ~8 inches from the 400w HPS during use. I'd post more pics but for some reason its not working...
Horns were noticeable by the 3rd day, so I changed my reservoir to a normal bloom regimen. The horns have gotten extremely bad and have not gone away. I've changed the res a few times and cleaned out with rubbing alcohol and hot water to make sure nothing is still lingering, but the horns keep coming with new growth. There is also some serious looking burn on the edges of the leaves; it looks like a calcium deficiency but i'm convinced its from the bushmaster. The reason im so convinced is because i tried the same BM application to a different plant (although it was 5 days into flower instead of day 1) that has been supplemented with Cal-Mag - still the burn is present; not as severe but definitely noticeable.
I cant be certain it was the BM that caused the plants discoloration, but it is definitely taking the blame for the intense horns i've got. Im very unhappy with the horns because i applied at less then the recommended dosage and for only 3 days. I should note that the plant was under a little stress before application and had no choice but to be ~8 inches from the 400w HPS during use. I'd post more pics but for some reason its not working...
Shliite, the horn effect doesn't go away, it just stops getting worse. The leaves that are currently bent will stay that way.
If you've changed your res out you've done everything you can. I usually run just water through my system for around an hour between bushmaster and bloom nutes, but it sounds like you've done that a couple of times over. Next time try 2ml per gallon; I've never needed more than that, myself.
If you've changed your res out you've done everything you can. I usually run just water through my system for around an hour between bushmaster and bloom nutes, but it sounds like you've done that a couple of times over. Next time try 2ml per gallon; I've never needed more than that, myself.
my experience w/bm with different amts of application has all given me the same result. which is alot less potent but big nugs. it is obvious from the tricome visually. it is just very little compared to when i don't use it. and it gets a lot more hair as well. i definitely don't like this product from eel river. gravity seems to work okay though!
budflash, do you use pmaxx? I been reading about bm, gravity and pmaxx and actually i just placed an order yesterday....people say that bm takes away thc production, but then if you use pmaxx along, it(pmaxx) can force the flowers to produce thc again...
but i am not sure if the thc is still as potent as if one were not using bm+pmaxx...
but i am not sure if the thc is still as potent as if one were not using bm+pmaxx...
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shit works almost too well. I got no stretch from my application. Solid anddense but short. I dont know about it reducing thc though. That sounds odd. Anyone done a side by side?
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One great thing i am noticing about the Bushmaster ,on the bottle it says it kicks the plants into flower mode .Ill be damned if 2 days after i used it the male plants began to show sex .I used on some plants about 4 inches high just put into 12/12 for a week or less ,and if they were male ,tiny tiny balls would appear .
Before this i would often wait weeks to figure out what sex they were.Its almost like while their still developing pre-flowers .I find this to be a great tool to taking the guesswork and the wait outta of the equation .im reall happy so far with this product,shit did exactly what they said it would ,gotta go try gravity next.
Before this i would often wait weeks to figure out what sex they were.Its almost like while their still developing pre-flowers .I find this to be a great tool to taking the guesswork and the wait outta of the equation .im reall happy so far with this product,shit did exactly what they said it would ,gotta go try gravity next.
Sorry if I missed anything,ihave read most of the post but isn't this stuff basicaly the same thing as Top load or Phosphoload .The only difference
is the time you use it
This stuff you use at the start of the flower cycle and the others you use at the start of the second week of flower
is the time you use it
This stuff you use at the start of the flower cycle and the others you use at the start of the second week of flower
It seems to be more of a "Flower Initiator" and the active ingredients in it are different than Phosphoload.....brings veg cycle to a screeching halt and sets the stage for flower development......the phosphoload seems to accelerate flower development, and is best used after the flowers have started to develop.....
Sometimes it helps to think of plants as having 3 different phases: vegetative, pre-flowering and full-flowering.....the pre-flowering phase can last as long as it takes for the plant to respond to the 12/12 light cycle, and is shorter in some varietals and longer in others......this pre-flowering is characterized by pistil formation, but also very important is the transition in leaf morphology into the different parts of the flower.....
kind regards from guineapig
Sometimes it helps to think of plants as having 3 different phases: vegetative, pre-flowering and full-flowering.....the pre-flowering phase can last as long as it takes for the plant to respond to the 12/12 light cycle, and is shorter in some varietals and longer in others......this pre-flowering is characterized by pistil formation, but also very important is the transition in leaf morphology into the different parts of the flower.....
kind regards from guineapig Thanks bud thats what I was wondering,they are different.I can't seem to find bushmaster around here but I'm going to talk to my local guy and see if he can bring some in.
Now this brings me to my next question. Would it be beneficial to use bush master at the begining and Phosphoload as usual or would that be pushing things
Now this brings me to my next question. Would it be beneficial to use bush master at the begining and Phosphoload as usual or would that be pushing things
