Humboldt Bush Master

[gunnaknow]

So I'm seeing a number of products that are preventing bud rot... so silica blast was one of them, what are some others? Could anyone explain how they are preventing bud rot?

Thanks

Hope this helps Pumpkin. I'm not sure about other substances, most just use silicon and good ventilation or dehumidification.

An adequate supply of silica to the cereals will thicken those cell walls on which it is deposited, and this may have a number of desirable consequences. An adequate silica supply reduces the tendency of a cereal to wilt during the initial stages of drought, probably because of the reduced permeability to water or water vapour of the walls of the leaf epidermal cells. There is also evidence that plants adequately supplied with silica have increased resistance to some pests and diseases. Thus, an adequate silica content may increase the resistance of some cereals to powdery mildew (Erysiphe graminiv).....

 

[meduser180056]

I had zero budrot. I used silica throughout the entire grow.

I used Pmaxx, Gravity, and the BM.

Also used Maxicrop for kelp when using the BM. I definetly think your right about the kelp and BM. I used a ton of Maxicrop several applications.

 

[gunnaknow]

What height did your plants finish at Meduser? What height and age were they when you gave them BM? Do you think that you would have increased your yield more if you had vegged them longer before giving them BM?

 

[meduser180056]

I flowered em around 20 inches and they finished around 20 inches. LOL

I actually made sure my canopy was totally vegged out and full before I flipped to flower and used the BM cuz I knew they wouldn't get any bigger after using BM. So to answer your question no I don't think I could have increased yield I was happy with it's effect on my yield. I had a problem with waterlogged soil on some plants in that grow so that's what really hurt my yield. PKs are hard to get a big yield with though in general.

 

[gunnaknow]

Perhaps you should continue with your experimentation then Med. You'll probably improve on results when you correct the watering problem. To get a slightly higher yield under such conditions is good going. Ofcourse, decreasing flowering time by 1 week is akin to increasing yield by about 12%. So along with the yield increase, you probably increased output by a total of 20%.

 

[Guest]

has anybody tried using bm on a pure sativa? thats the most interesting context in which i think this could be used.

 

[clowntown]

That's exactly what I'd like to try out, H&L. But first I need to find the small sized bottle. Only been able to find the larger, $100 bottles locally.

 

[gunnaknow]

has anybody tried using bm on a pure sativa? thats the most interesting context in which i think this could be used.

Many people use it on their sativas to stop stretch.

That's exactly what I'd like to try out, H&L. But first I need to find the small sized bottle. Only been able to find the larger, $100 bottles locally.

Clown, type 'humboldt bushmaster 8 oz' into google and you will find several places, including ebay. However, I never recommend buying hydro gear online. You could ask your local store to get some in for you.

 

[clowntown]

Many people use it on their sativas to stop stretch.

I'd love to see before and after pictures of what BM does to some pure sativas!

Clown, type 'humboldt bushmaster 8 oz' into google and you will find several places, including ebay. However, I never recommend buying hydro gear online. You could ask your local store to get some in for you.

Thanks. I know where to find them online; I think I've even seen 4oz. Just not locally ... yet.

 

[SOY.ALTO]

clowntown not exactly an ideal side by side but this is as good as I can do for you.

strain is arcata trainwreck



with bushmaster... 32 days after the flip...




and without...around 20 days after the flip...

Its hard to tell from the pics, but the first shot is of my recirculating drip setup...the plants are in a tray, elevated roughly 2.5 feet off the ground. The second shot is of my handwater coco plants...these plants are in 1 gal pots sitting on the ground. All plants were flipped at roughly the same height...roughly 18"...

The plants sitting on the ground are only around 6" shorter than the plants in the trays...factor in the fact that the plants in the trays are starting out over 2 feet above the plants on the ground...you do the math.


Granted this is not a great comparison, as they are in different methods, but it still illustrates the difference in stretch with the same strain. The plants that got the BM did not stretch but maybe a couple inches...the other plants that I didn't give enough BM to more than doubled in height.


Now this is my first run with this strain, so I really can't comment on whether or not the buds would look different without the BM until the handwater plants get a little further into bloom. However I can say that my nugs look about as close to the other arcata tw shots I see from other growers. And they are frosty! Started frosting up around day 20 and hasn't let up yet.









you can't really tell from the shots because I don't have a great camera, but you should be able to kinda tell they are frosty...


Again, not alot of experience with the strain or the BM, but it seems to me that most of the people who have problems are overdoing it. Moderation is key with this stuff. Luckily the guy who recomended this stuff to me (specifically for this strain) said to go with 1-2ml per gallon at the flip in my resevior, top off res like normal for 5 days, then drain and refill with normal nute mix. I did this and the results couldn't have been better.

With the handwater plants, I tried giving them 2 waterings of 2ml per gallon, and it was not enough. Next time I will try 4-5 watering with 2ml per gallon and see how it goes.


When it comes to additives, the key is figuring out how much is the right amount for you and your plants. I have seen many people rave about the GH pk booster 'kool bloom'. However everytime I have tried the shit, it ruined my grow. I don't doubt that the stuff works, I just haven't figured out how much/when to use the stuff myself. Ive got a tub of the powder that would last me forever if I knew how to use the stuff, but for now it just collects dust. Doesn't mean its not a good product, I just don't know how to properly use it.


On a side note, I have read that this product can supposedly shorten the flowering time?...I have seen no evidence of this what so ever. From what I read and from what the guy who gave me the cut told me, the wreck can be taken at 42 days but will bulk up if you let her go to 55 days. My wreck is looking to be right on schedule. At 36 days the trichs were just starting to go cloudy, Id say around 10-15% cloudy 85-90% clear. By day 50 I should have lots of amber Im hoping.


wrote a book there...

 

[little-soldier]

Everybody knows that when you dont use BM the plants will use more nitrogen during the first week or two so im guessing if BM is used during the early blooming stage then there should be no need for a higher N in your first mix right?

Also I dont remember who was asking about something to stop bud rot but I found something that could interest you. Its called bud rot stop and id be curious to see how it would perform on MJ. Here is the link http://www.growell.co.uk/p/2475/Bud-Rot-Stop.html

 

[SOY.ALTO]

here are some more recent shots that show the difference much better.






plants that I didnt give enough bushmaster...around 25 days flowering




other plants that got the bushmaster...around 37 days flowering




Side by side...


Just so you know, the plants on the left were not trained, where as the plants on the right got some major bondage for about a week before I flipped them. This could have cut down on the stretch as well. But if you figure that on average all the plant were roughly the same height when going into flower...Id say the BM did exactly what I wanted.

Right now I can say that in a recirculating system 2ml per gallon seems like a good amount. Run it for 3 or 4 days, drain res. Refill and go back to your normal schedule.

Still need to find the magic numba for the handwater plants.

Oh yeah all plants are the same strain arcata trainwreck.

 

[mendo-local]

how did the final weight come in, soy? any difference?

 

[2is250]

I think that is a major difference and it was def worth the money for the products.

 

[sativalicious]

<waking up this Bush Master thread>

If there is only a short window of 2-3 weeks with 1-2 applications total, then it's gotta be done right.

Would it be reasonable to consider these two factors before determining the rate of application: the size of the plant and the existing internode spacing of the top 5 nodes (referencing that article about the cotton)? Anything else to consider?

As an example, take an unknown Indica type (from seed) with 25 nodes in 36 inches of height, in veg. BTW, it's astonishing how short the node interval is, however I do not have enough recent experience to really know this. Hadn't grown for 25 years.

How much BM to use? 0.5 ml/gal, 1 ml/gal

Or, "None".. just flip to 12/12 then evaluate?

Thanks very much for the sound advice...

 

[sativalicious]

Welp, after 2ml/gal of Bush Master I do see the slightest change. I suppose this would indicate I could dose it stronger or somebody replaced my bush master with an inert ingredient.

Ya know... It's interesting how such a little thing like a security seal increases my confidence. Did your BM have a seal under the screw off lid? It annoys me when these types of products do not come sealed for my protection. Late.

 

[Dr. Bloom]

How long has it been since you dosed them Sativalicious, and what strain are you using?

 

[sativalicious]

Hey thanks for chiming in. Very grateful.

After reading more posts in forums (here and there), and realizing that my expectations are out of line with reality. I see I need to wait a few days. I thought I would see stretching like within 48 hours. LOL! Due to previous experience being remote outdoors, I have never been this close to observe the veg-to-bloom changes.

The first thing I need to do is get my genotype ID'd; it would appear based on your question. Thank you. I will do this next. It's definitely an Indica strain. From seed, there is upwards of 27 nodes in under 37 inches of height. Very thick stems. Trunk may exceed one inch. I may have induced this stunted behavior with a newbie nute lockout for 6-8 weeks. Or it could be genetic. So many variables. Overall, healthy and getting more perky as time goes on.

Peace.

 

[sativalicious]

Just for the record, I fed Bush Master (at a rate of 2ml/gal) a 2nd time in a weak kelp solution. First time was about one week prior.

I'm gathering the opinion that it is important to note the size of a plant when we talk about good or bad results and the rate a nute or additive was administered.

In my case, approaching 40" in a 4.5 gallon container, soil. It is already close to being root bound. No sign of "nute burn" from the BM product, so far.

 

[sativalicious]

Quick note... experienced slight curl (rams horns) on new growth. Most recent fan leaves before the 2nd application of BM were exerting themselves more flat-like without any apparent curl. 12 hours after the 2nd application, the new fans were showing curl.

I presume this was from the BM as my solution was pH adjusted to approx 5.9-6.0. The pH of the kelp solution before adjusting upwards with Pro-Tekt was 4.8. TDS was 123 ppm (EC 0.17).

I wonder if other factors contributed to the curl? I think it was the BM and not my pH that caused the leaf curl. The pH of the first application was 5.9. I did not see the curl (stress) after that dosage.