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Human Genocide Alert

Hiddenjems

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Capitalism is far from natural. It has only been with us a short time in human history. Do you really think it's natural to manufacture and over consume products that we don't really need, to the detriment of our environment and health? All it does is make a very few people very rich. You seem to be supporting the very power structure you claim to oppose.

What is normal, is exchanging goods and services.
Capitalism is a natural extension of any society built on individual freedom. If you are free, you are free to trade with whom you please.

True communism and socialism deny individuals the right to own anything.

In prehistoric times ugg was free to trade lugg a few bird feathers for some string, or whatever. It’s in collectivist totalitarian governments that deny people the freedom to buy what the want from who they want.
 

Chi13

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ICMag Donor
Capitalism is a natural extension of any society built on individual freedom. If you are free, you are free to trade with whom you please.

True communism and socialism deny individuals the right to own anything.

In prehistoric times ugg was free to trade lugg a few bird feathers for some string, or whatever. It’s in collectivist totalitarian governments that deny people the freedom to buy what the want from who they want.
What you are describing is not Capitalism. Both Capitalism and Communism rely on increased production and consumption, not just simple trade. There's nothing natural about factories producing plastic shit for the masses, who only "need" these products because they have been marketed as such.

Socialism is distinct from Communism. Learn the differences.
 

Hiddenjems

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What you are describing is not Capitalism. Both Capitalism and Communism rely on increased production and consumption, not just simple trade. There's nothing natural about factories producing plastic shit for the masses, who only "need" these products because they have been marketed as such.

Socialism is distinct from Communism. Learn the differences.
Capitalism is the natural state of the world. Before government the world was a more free place. The most free a person can be is alone in the wilderness to do as they please without interference.

Socialism and communism are alike in that they are collectivist structures that ban private property ownership. Socialism existed before Marx.

Telling people to “learn the difference” is exactly what part of conversing about ideas? Being condescending reeks of whiteness and privilege.
 

Chi13

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Capitalism is the natural state of the world. Before government the world was a more free place. The most free a person can be is alone in the wilderness to do as they please without interference.

Socialism and communism are alike in that they are collectivist structures that ban private property ownership. Socialism existed before Marx.

Telling people to “learn the difference” is exactly what part of conversing about ideas? Being condescending reeks of whiteness and privilege.
Capitalism is a modern invention. Nothing natural about it at all. Prior to that we had a feudal system. People have not been free to roam the wilderness and do as they please for centuries, in any real sense. In terms of Marxist philosophy the average person is free to work or starve. Very few are really free in Capitalist system. The freedom you have if you are not an owner of the means of production is very limited. You are free to take your labour wherever you like, however. The top 1% in a Capitalist society is very free, the rest not so much and to varying degrees.

Socialism and Communism have a bit in common but they are not the same.

I don't mean to come across as condescending, but honestly, people need to learn what they are talking about before making a blanket statement such as yours. I don't feel like it's my place to give lessons in sociology in a thread on a cannabis growing site.
 

Roms

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Veteran
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buzzmobile

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Veteran
Very convincing except for the part about the CDC giving up counting breakthrough infections on May 1, 2021.

Tell me some more about the six mile deep missile.
 

mean mr.mustard

I Pass Satellites
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Not that it has fuck all to do with the thread topic, but under Marxist Communism the land is owned by the people collectively.

A Communist wouldn't use the word "private" to describe an object, but rather "personal" in regards to the things that they use.

Capitalism is a class system that created Communism due to the working class watching their labor go to a few rich assholes while their families were hungry.

They watched what inevitably occurs when a society is built on individual gain... and attempted to circumvent some of society's ills.

It's refreshing to see anyone reading and trying trying to educate themselves.
 

Hiddenjems

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I live on my own land with all of my property.


Collectivist always end up stealing everyone’s property and killing millions. It’s literally the deadliest idea ever.

Collectivism killed more people than anything in the 1900’s, millions, tens of millions….
 

Hiddenjems

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Capitalism is the natural state of the world without man made limits and restrictions. Capitalism is the absence of control. It’s the logical economic extension of liberal thought, individualism.
 

mean mr.mustard

I Pass Satellites
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Collectivism is pretty popular in the natural world. I didn't really think about that until you brought it up.

I'm thinking our ancestors were concerned for the tribe more than one individual.

Things have changed.

Maybe that's why our species is not doing well.

I thought that this was the "fear the jab" thread.
 
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